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MEGILE
11-02-2007, 02:51 PM
Took 5 years for me to realise this.

On the occasion that I drop by a no-cockpit server, I have ALWAYS flown pit on.
Not because of the challenge, not because it's cool, and not because I read the gagues.

But because I am a creature of habbit ie. lazy as fook.

However, a few days ago I was invited to try it, with guarantees of easier shots.

I now fly cockpit-on because I have seen how ghey wonderwoman view actually is.
WW servers are about 1 notch above pacman online, and 1 notch below head to head tetris.

I don't get why you would even purchase a sim to fly WW.

foxyboy1964
11-02-2007, 02:56 PM
Yeah, I was expecting more of those cheerleader type photos.

ploughman
11-02-2007, 02:57 PM
I was at least hoping for a diagram. maybe a PowerPoint presentation.

DKoor
11-02-2007, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
Took 5 years for me to realise this.

On the occasion that I drop by a no-cockpit server, I have ALWAYS flown pit on.
Not because of the challenge, not because it's cool, and not because I read the gagues.

But because I am a creature of habbit ie. lazy as fook.

However, a few days ago I was invited to try it, with guarantees of easier shots.

I now fly cockpit-on because I have seen how ghey wonderwoman view actually is.
WW servers are about 1 notch above pacman online, and 1 notch below head to head tetris.

I don't get why you would even purchase a sim to fly WW. +1

I agree completely.......... it's quite hard to counter-argument that!

Except the "lazy" comparison.

I would just add to that, that by blindly following that definition, we are stuck with users interpreting it differently.

Firstly, difference in age........ then difference in education, then in social background etc, and also having complexes part is not to be undervalued too..... it all affects overall speed of the 'course...

That is of course, if we are talking about level speed.

Then there is a matter of RoC which must also be taken into consideration..............

I can see this easily go over 30 pages.

DKoor
11-02-2007, 03:06 PM
P.S. we need more graphs, more charts, because plain text wont work on this one, I assure you.

foxyboy1964
11-02-2007, 03:08 PM
If WonderWoman was ghey, who do you think she would like to be ghey with?

R_Target
11-02-2007, 03:11 PM
I can't maintain my frame of reference with no-pit view. I guess if you use padlock it's alright. I just don't think that the WW view is any fun.

waffen-79
11-02-2007, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by foxyboy1964:
If WonderWoman was ghey, who do you think she would like to be ghey with?

I would have to say, SuperChick or SpiderWoman, dman I think I once saw a gallery of that stuff http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

@Megile, hey mate, I can recommend you to fly in Skies~of~VALOR, tis the same dynamics that the mos popular ww view server skies of fire, BUT with cockpit always on and per side planeset

bad thing is it's no always online as it arcade counterpart.

PS: this thread needs cheerleaders

Daiichidoku
11-02-2007, 03:19 PM
simple, yet elegant

very nice, M http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Viper2005_
11-02-2007, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
Wonderwoman IS ghey.

Or perhaps she just hadn't lost that loving feeling?

MEGILE
11-02-2007, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by DKoor:
+1

I agree completely.......... it's quite hard to counter-argument that!

Except the "lazy" comparison.

I would just add to that, that by blindly following that definition, we are stuck with users interpreting it differently.

Firstly, difference in age........ then difference in education, then in social background etc, and also having complexes part is not to be undervalued too..... it all affects overall speed of the 'course...

That is of course, if we are talking about level speed.

Then there is a matter of RoC which must also be taken into consideration..............

I can see this easily go over 30 pages.

I honestly have no clue what you just wrote.

I see the words, but I don't understand the point.

MEGILE
11-02-2007, 03:41 PM
Perhaps ghey is too strong a word.
Cheesy may be more fitting.

I am not trying to rain on anyone's parade... fly what you like.

It just vexes me that you would go to all the trouble of making a simulator to be used in the Wonder woman manner.... may as well fly an arcade shooter.

Oleg should churn out flyables 2 a penny.

I mean, do wonder woman fliers actually care about FM accuracy, cockpit gauge functionality, DM fidelity?

If they don't, that's cool...just a question.

Tailbutcher
11-02-2007, 03:43 PM
Sure would be nice to have correct views out of all the planes. That way, more people would likely fly closed cockpit more often.
Hopefully SOW willcorrect this and have better views out of the cockpit. Also adjustments to pilot seating position would be nice.

Daiichidoku
11-02-2007, 03:46 PM
wonder woman view should be on a timer....the longer you go without flying through a "WW power-up" spinning in mid-air, the more cockpit comes into view

MEGILE
11-02-2007, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by Monty_Thrud:
Dam, i thought this was about h0t lesbian shenagins...doh!

Sigh... this is the internet, you don't find pr0n, it finds you.

But here you go anyway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgP3_n5vSd4

waffen-79
11-02-2007, 03:47 PM
I think the reason for WW view are begginers

Bad thing 'bout WW view is that you could be riding any plane, even a flying broom and not know it

MEGILE
11-02-2007, 03:49 PM
Originally posted by waffen-79:


Bad thing 'bout WW view is that you could be riding any plane, even a flying broom and not know it

So let's all go play Harry Potter online.

MEGILE
11-02-2007, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by waffen-79:


@Megile, hey mate, I can recommend you to fly in Skies~of~VALOR,


If they need blue pilots, I am there http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

DKoor
11-02-2007, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DKoor:
+1

I agree completely.......... it's quite hard to counter-argument that!

Except the "lazy" comparison.

I would just add to that, that by blindly following that definition, we are stuck with users interpreting it differently.

Firstly, difference in age........ then difference in education, then in social background etc, and also having complexes part is not to be undervalued too..... it all affects overall speed of the 'course...

That is of course, if we are talking about level speed.

Then there is a matter of RoC which must also be taken into consideration..............

I can see this easily go over 30 pages.

I honestly have no clue what you just wrote.

I see the words, but I don't understand the point. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Originally posted by Megile:
lazy as fook.

I contexted that phrase..............
I may even go for a graph if my observation is not enough.

AKA_TAGERT
11-02-2007, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
I now fly cockpit-on because I have seen how ghey wonderwoman view actually is.
WW servers are about 1 notch above pacman online, and 1 notch below head to head tetris.

I don't get why you would even purchase a sim to fly WW. Agreed 100%

slipBall
11-02-2007, 05:01 PM
Yawn... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f394/SlipBall/5974798.jpg

John_Pimlott
11-02-2007, 05:06 PM
I once tried a no cockpit view in CFS not IL-2 and found it much worse. I became disorientated very quickly and continued the game in cockpit. Much easier for me. I'm not bothered by other people's preferences, but I wouldn't do it again.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JG6_Oddball
11-02-2007, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by John_Pimlott:
I once tried a no cockpit view in CFS not IL-2 and found it much worse. I became disorientated very quickly and continued the game in cockpit. Much easier for me. I'm not bothered by other people's preferences, but I wouldn't do it again.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I know EXACTLY what you mean http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://jg6.net/images/lc.jpg



S!

Daiichidoku
11-02-2007, 05:45 PM
Lynda Carter is even more impressive today than she was 30 years ago http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

Davinci..
11-02-2007, 06:08 PM
Originally posted by Megile:

WW servers are about 1 notch above pacman online, and 1 notch below head to head tetris.


heh, i was always looking for a good way to describe it.. you nailed it right there http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif good work http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

F19_Orheim
11-02-2007, 07:09 PM
Megile, u desperately need a girlfriend.

DKoor
11-02-2007, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by slipBall:
Yawn... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f394/SlipBall/5974798.jpg THis is the highlight of the thread...........

leitmotiv
11-02-2007, 08:05 PM
WW pretty much defeats the whole purpose of the exercise, but I recall feverish exchanges about it where real pilots claimed only WW gives you realistic situational awareness---the in-cockpit view was too restrictive in their opinion. Wonder if they would still think this about sims with 6 DOF?

LW_lcarp
11-02-2007, 10:08 PM
Wasnt this solved a long tine ago and we decided that what ever and however people fly for there own enjoyment is up to them. They shelled out there coin to play the game the way they want to?

triad773
11-03-2007, 02:15 AM
If one flies WW view then what would be the point of having cool gadgets like TrakIR? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Its the only way to fly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Daiichidoku
11-03-2007, 02:39 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/Daiichidoku/cap300.gif

Feathered_IV
11-03-2007, 03:08 AM
Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Megile:
I now fly cockpit-on because I have seen how ghey wonderwoman view actually is.
WW servers are about 1 notch above pacman online, and 1 notch below head to head tetris.

I don't get why you would even purchase a sim to fly WW. Agreed 100% </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rubbish! Wonder Woman view is much more realistic IMHO. Much more so than those so-called "Full Real" servers. And certainly more realistic than that silly little WW2 everybody keeps talking about.

Charos
11-03-2007, 03:29 AM
Originally posted by Megile:
Took 5 years for me to realise this.

On the occasion that I drop by a no-cockpit server, I have ALWAYS flown pit on.
Not because of the challenge, not because it's cool, and not because I read the gagues.

But because I am a creature of habbit ie. lazy as fook.

However, a few days ago I was invited to try it, with guarantees of easier shots.

I now fly cockpit-on because I have seen how ghey wonderwoman view actually is.
WW servers are about 1 notch above pacman online, and 1 notch below head to head tetris.

I don't get why you would even purchase a sim to fly WW.

Im glad I read this 5 Minutes before eating dinner or I would have been
searching for the backup keyboard.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

MEGILE
11-03-2007, 03:42 AM
Ok Wonder woman aces,

I assume you all must be hysterical when Oleg doesn't add planes to the game, due to lack of cockpit references, performance data or the like.

Perhaps Oleg is completely wasting his time with an irrelevant strategy, where realism is paramount.

MEGILE
11-03-2007, 03:44 AM
Originally posted by foxyboy1964:
If WonderWoman was ghey, who do you think she would like to be ghey with?

Herself, presumably.

F19_Orheim
11-03-2007, 03:48 AM
Originally posted by LW_lcarp:
Wasnt this solved a long tine ago and we decided that what ever and however people fly for there own enjoyment is up to them. They shelled out there coin to play the game the way they want to?

whenever was this a reason not to beat old horses again.. and again... and again?http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Charos
11-03-2007, 03:54 AM
Originally posted by Megile:
Ok Wonder woman aces,


surely a dichotomy, oxymoron a contradicion of terms no less. what on earth were you thinking megile. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

VMF-214_HaVoK
11-03-2007, 04:32 AM
Originally posted by Megile:
Took 5 years for me to realise this.

On the occasion that I drop by a no-cockpit server, I have ALWAYS flown pit on.
Not because of the challenge, not because it's cool, and not because I read the gagues.

But because I am a creature of habbit ie. lazy as fook.

However, a few days ago I was invited to try it, with guarantees of easier shots.

I now fly cockpit-on because I have seen how ghey wonderwoman view actually is.
WW servers are about 1 notch above pacman online, and 1 notch below head to head tetris.

I don't get why you would even purchase a sim to fly WW.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif I do wonder myself but to each his own.

S!

ViktorViktor
11-03-2007, 04:33 AM
slipball wrote:
Yawn...
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f394/SlipBall/5974798.jpg

This is a very nice looking scene indeed, but think about how unclean cats are in reality . . .

Would you really be willing kiss something that a kitty had used as a resting place ?

joeap
11-03-2007, 04:42 AM
Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Monty_Thrud:
Dam, i thought this was about h0t lesbian shenagins...doh!

Sigh... this is the internet, you don't find pr0n, it finds you.

But here you go anyway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgP3_n5vSd4 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you Megile, Slipball and Oddball. Now I need a cold shower. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Whirlin_merlin
11-03-2007, 04:54 AM
Yeah yeah yeah you are all right.
But still sometimes abit of quick fly around shooty stuff is a larf.

How does it possibly harm you if some want to fly like that.
I seriously don't get severs without atleast semi-historic plane sets, but I'm not going to insult people who like 'em.
Live and let live.

ploughman
11-03-2007, 05:27 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/58/WonderWomanV5.jpg/250px-WonderWomanV5.jpg

That's a tremendous set of nacelles.

Wepps
11-03-2007, 06:26 AM
Originally posted by Megile:
Ok Wonder woman aces,

I assume you all must be hysterical when Oleg doesn't add planes to the game, due to lack of cockpit references, performance data or the like.

Perhaps Oleg is completely wasting his time with an irrelevant strategy, where realism is paramount.

It is?

Heh. On the contrary. I've been shot down at 10,000m by a t-34 tank. I've flown into invisible trees, and to this day my flight leaders keep flying into mountainsides, turning my staffel into a rotte, apparently just for the fun of it. We still don't have realistic aircraft sounds, hardly any attention is paid to maps and the points of conflict, and let's face it...the flight models are - not the most realistic we could hope for. German campaigns are led by leaders that think it's a good idea to hang out over heavy AA areas until they are shot down, leaders who are 40+ aces, facing soviet rear-gunners that can't miss. Jets that fly like LaGG-3s and Jet-LaGGs that fly like F-16s.

After spending God knows how much time on any given flight model, some aircraft seem to have performance parameters that are so off base, you wonder who's drinking more vodka the pilot or the engineer.

I've had I-16s snap turn into almost a direct climb and shoot me down from .5 km while flying an FW, and P-39s shoot me down from .8km away while somehow flying in the other direction!

Then from day one, the code was released to certain 'friends' in the Ukraine, and now others around the world, and we have had hacks galore. Online play has been dominated by UFOs for as long as I can remember but now it's a waste of effort to even bother competing. Now I'm facing aircraft that you can fill with 37mm holes that just keep flying, or machineguns with infinite range and firepower on P.11s that have the same FM as a Spitfire.

Realistic?

This game to me is the golden goose, for players and the designers alike. Realism SHOULD have been the priority and taken more seriously than it has been, BECAUSE people like us welcome it. But it is hardly realistic.

And comparing it to SWOTL is a waste of breath. If it were mine, I would feel responsibility for all this and a dedication to see it was done right. IL-2 is awesome imo, but it's a LONG WAY from laurel-resting at this pace of update.

DKoor
11-03-2007, 06:34 AM
Moment of lyric inspiration?
Mother in Law just phoned that she wont come for weekend?
Paycheck raise news?
Woman not having a headache today?

Whatever it is, it worked....................

Great post, Wepps.

Wepps
11-03-2007, 06:58 AM
Originally posted by DKoor:
Moment of lyric inspiration?
Mother in Law just phoned that she wont come for weekend?
Paycheck raise news?
Woman not having a headache today?

Whatever it is, it worked....................

Great post, Wepps.

I still think that pic was the highlight of the thread though. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I'm just warming up to do a section of my thesis. Only on 2nd coffee.

Jaws2002
11-03-2007, 07:21 AM
For as long as I see WW2 fighter pilot veterans, that slugged it out with the 109's, 190's and the deadly German AAA over their own turf, and a lot of other real world pilots, fly in arcade servers I won't consider any one of us that fly locked pit and harder setings superior to any arcade pilot.
And I don't think anyone one of you has the right to ridicule them.

In the end this is just a GAME.


Just my 2 cents.

MEGILE
11-03-2007, 07:43 AM
Originally posted by Wepps:


It is?



After spending God knows how much time on any given flight model, some aircraft seem to have performance parameters that are so off base, you wonder who's drinking more vodka the pilot or the engineer.

Realistic?

This game to me is the golden goose, for players and the designers alike. Realism SHOULD have been the priority and taken more seriously than it has been, BECAUSE people like us welcome it. But it is hardly realistic.

And comparing it to SWOTL is a waste of breath. If it were mine, I would feel responsibility for all this and a dedication to see it was done right. IL-2 is awesome imo, but it's a LONG WAY from laurel-resting at this pace of update.

Are you implying that IL2 is so far off from realism, that wonderwoman view is all it is worth?

I don't doubt all of the problems with IL2, but that doesn't motivate me to further reduce the game experience to as close to "arcade" as possible.

Perhaps ww is the most suitable play type for IL2. Maybe Oleg is deluding himself if anyone really cares where the fuel gauge is on a B5N Kate, or how an +11 boost tempest would actually perform.

I'm sure Wonder woman is enjoyable for many.. hell maybe even a majority, so if it is, maybe Oleg should be in the business of Arcade shooters, and sell BoB with 500 planes, no cockpits, arbitrary flight models, damage models, and radar so you can find the enemy quickly.

Yours was a good post Wepps, a good critique of problems with the sim, however IMO not any real reason to have wonderwoman game play

MEGILE
11-03-2007, 07:51 AM
Originally posted by Jaws2002:
I won't consider any one of us that fly locked pit and harder setings superior to any arcade pilot.


I never question the skills WW pilots have, perhaps I question more if Oleg should even consider simulation if a large part of his customer base ignores half of his work.

I don't see much difference between pacman and wonderwoman.

Feathered_IV
11-03-2007, 07:55 AM
Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jaws2002:
I won't consider any one of us that fly locked pit and harder setings superior to any arcade pilot.


I never question the skills WW pilots have, perhaps I question more if Oleg should even consider simulation if a large part of his customer base ignores half of his work. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

True. It pains me to think that 85% of the people who play/whine the Il-2 series won't even bother using the thing at it's full potential before BoB comes out.

BaronUnderpants
11-03-2007, 08:14 AM
Originally posted by Megile:
Perhaps ghey is too strong a word.
Cheesy may be more fitting.

I am not trying to rain on anyone's parade... fly what you like.

It just vexes me that you would go to all the trouble of making a simulator to be used in the Wonder woman manner.... may as well fly an arcade shooter.

Oleg should churn out flyables 2 a penny.

I mean, do wonder woman fliers actually care about FM accuracy, cockpit gauge functionality, DM fidelity?

If they don't, that's cool...just a question.

Totaly agree, as long as u dont fly the Spit25 u should be ok, cus according to what iv heard, spits guages tell u jack **** about what`s really happening. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


BTW. cockpit on or off...equally ghey. Only differance between thoose DF servers is, thats right, cockpit on or off.


Coops and so fourth is another matter.

Cajun76
11-03-2007, 08:17 AM
Originally posted by Jaws2002:
For as long as I see WW2 fighter pilot veterans, that slugged it out with the 109's, 190's and the deadly German AAA over their own turf, and a lot of other real world pilots, fly in arcade servers I won't consider any one of us that fly locked pit and harder setings superior to any arcade pilot.
And I don't think anyone one of you has the right to ridicule them.

In the end this is just a GAME.


Just my 2 cents.

+1 (except it being just a game, it's all how you approach it, as a sim or a game)

View has nothing to do with whether someone is interested in correct FM/DM. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

BillyTheKid_22
11-03-2007, 08:21 AM
http://michaelmay.us/07blog/images/0510_wonderwoman.jpg



http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



http://www.alphaartwork.com/free/pics/gallery01/alpha084.jpg

MEGILE
11-03-2007, 08:22 AM
Originally posted by Cajun76:


View has nothing to do with whether someone is interested in correct FM/DM. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

So after purchasing a flight simulator promoted as realistic.. you join a server and hit Ctrl+F1?

Interesting stuff gentlemen, I appreciate the discourse.

Cajun76
11-03-2007, 09:29 AM
Most folks interested in realism aren't going to immediately go online. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Joining just about anything besides a good coop is not joining a realistic server, no matter the view.

Both have their limitations.

I've been asked before if I was flying with my pit on in a pit off server, because I attempt to fly it like a sim. It's more mind set than anything else, since some folks have been "simming" since the wireframe days.

If you can't wrap your brain around it, that's fine. I could care less,except that new simmers coming in shouldn't be browbeaten about how they choose to enjoy themselves.

BfHeFwMe
11-03-2007, 09:33 AM
Theres more than one way to fly wonderwoman! http://www.jenisfamous.com/uploaded_images/W.C.&WonderWomanSM-753355.jpg

Wepps
11-03-2007, 10:28 AM
Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Wepps:


It is?



After spending God knows how much time on any given flight model, some aircraft seem to have performance parameters that are so off base, you wonder who's drinking more vodka the pilot or the engineer.

Realistic?

This game to me is the golden goose, for players and the designers alike. Realism SHOULD have been the priority and taken more seriously than it has been, BECAUSE people like us welcome it. But it is hardly realistic.

And comparing it to SWOTL is a waste of breath. If it were mine, I would feel responsibility for all this and a dedication to see it was done right. IL-2 is awesome imo, but it's a LONG WAY from laurel-resting at this pace of update.

Are you implying that IL2 is so far off from realism, that wonderwoman view is all it is worth?

I don't doubt all of the problems with IL2, but that doesn't motivate me to further reduce the game experience to as close to "arcade" as possible.

Perhaps ww is the most suitable play type for IL2. Maybe Oleg is deluding himself if anyone really cares where the fuel gauge is on a B5N Kate, or how an +11 boost tempest would actually perform.

I'm sure Wonder woman is enjoyable for many.. hell maybe even a majority, so if it is, maybe Oleg should be in the business of Arcade shooters, and sell BoB with 500 planes, no cockpits, arbitrary flight models, damage models, and radar so you can find the enemy quickly.

Yours was a good post Wepps, a good critique of problems with the sim, however IMO not any real reason to have wonderwoman game play </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Still, it's not a matter of choice for the designer in my opinion, but one of choice for the player in question. Traditionally, the more options available means the larger the player base. Options = fun.

I'm not suggesting anything really, just pointing out that 'realism' has not been nearly as important I think than it should have been, as regards the design enhancements following its release.

Though I would never delay BoB once in motion to address these issues, I certainly would have handled them better (and without taking it personally) before even attempting to expand the scope of the game.

I'm a great believer in fixing what's wrong FIRST, then moving on, so the same mistakes aren't repeated and then compounded by a larger code.

edit ----

Let me clarify what I see are flaws in the game's management after it's release.

To me, it would have been more appropriate to address the following:

1 - Better tools for mission building.

2 - More complete maps of the historical, and potential points of concentration of conflict in European Russia.

These two things are critical in my opinion to the future of the game. Neither has been addressed to any important degree.

3 - Review of flight models / cockpit design and readout.

It was immediately obvious to those in the know, that IL-2 was dedicated to a more realistic flight combat experience.

This being an obvious objective, it should have been just as obvious that these things would be perfected. This is a reasonable expectation of anybody who has purchased IL-2.

And these things should have been addressed early on. Instead, I feel revenues were squandered across other, less important issues with the game, and outside of this game in particular.

Daiichidoku
11-03-2007, 10:44 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/Daiichidoku/noobmagazine.jpg

Wepps
11-03-2007, 10:45 AM
LOL

bienenbaer
11-03-2007, 10:54 AM
I would first like to state

- that I do NOT have a pilot license, in fact I have done just one guided "exploratory" flight in some Mooney 28

- that I generally "fly" Il2 (off-line) with cockpit on, but am not shy to use F3 as the sole external view to get a better overview

That said, I believe the notion in this thread is of the mark. It's nevertheless understandable because the somewhat childish, candy-coloured layout of the WW screen must provide annoyance to everybody who wants to take himself serious.

Yet, when you drive a car you usually do not look at the panel but at the outside world. I remember it to be similar in that Mooney I was allowed to pilot for 20 min. Of course, there is the frame of the car windows (or cockpit) and the car body (or plane fuselage) you see. But when you drive, you do not notice it so much, what's in your head is your view of the external surroundings.

And that view is not a linear field-of-view of 35, 90 or 120 degrees. It fully spans 180 degrees, it is two-dimensional up to around 140 degrees, and most important it is not linear: you have some peripheral sense of the surroundings (even how the move and how near they are) and a much more detailed view of a small area you directly look at.

I believe that this within large limitations, but in some essential manner, better modelled by womderwoman view then by cockpit on. If only those ridiculous arrows wouldn't be there but moreover crosses or stars ...

I believe too, that the main benefit of cockpit-on is that it provides a feel of the orientation of the plane in the air that a real pilot owns by gravity, and that because of this cockpit-on is necessary to master more advanced manouvering.

I would wish that we had two "point of views": one relaxed, laying back at the seat for looking at the cockpit gauges or the vizor (with zoom in), and a second one where your head is 2 inches up and 2 inches more two the front for looking around and looking at other planes. That one might probably not be linear ... Ideally, the views could be made switchable in a fast manner by putting it on the mouse wheel (adding zoom thus).

leitmotiv
11-03-2007, 01:52 PM
Bienenbaer, 6 DOF neatly solves the field of vision problem built into IL-2. That is why I am torn right now---I really can't stand playing without 6 DOF. IL-2 is the best WWII combat flight sim, but it lacks 6 DOF. The WWII combat flight sims which have it are so inferior to IL-2 they are annoying after awhile. Thus, I can play IL-2 and feel half blind, or I can use systems which make me wish for the better overall presentation of IL-2. Solution: the 6 DOF Mod for IL-2---bring it on, and, of course, BOB the SOW which is a long long way away.

VMF-214_HaVoK
11-03-2007, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jaws2002:
I won't consider any one of us that fly locked pit and harder setings superior to any arcade pilot.


I never question the skills WW pilots have, perhaps I question more if Oleg should even consider simulation if a large part of his customer base ignores half of his work. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

True. It pains me to think that 85% of the people who play/whine the Il-2 series won't even bother using the thing at it's full potential before BoB comes out. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Kind of like most of the people that whine about FMs fly in arcade servers with same plane matchups and arrows pointing the way. It is a mystery I have yet to crack.

S!

M4Sherman4
11-03-2007, 09:01 PM
hell I bought this game to see my damn plane not A damn blank screen with a gun sight.

P.S This is the world most addictive game

Cajun76
11-03-2007, 10:23 PM
got crack

can't hack

cockpit smack

You guys are hilarious.

MEGILE
11-04-2007, 03:17 AM
Originally posted by Cajun76:
got crack


No.


Originally posted by Cajun76:
can't hack


can


Originally posted by Cajun76:
cockpit smack


better than no-cockpit smack http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Originally posted by Cajun76:
You guys are hilarious


agree 100%

ImMoreBetter
11-04-2007, 11:50 AM
I took the liberty of making a graph, showing the general communities views on Wonderwoman View VS Cockpit View.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d113/rustymusket/graph.jpg

EiZ0N
11-04-2007, 12:47 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
Perhaps ghey is too strong a word.
Cheesy may be more fitting.

I am not trying to rain on anyone's parade... fly what you like.

It just vexes me that you would go to all the trouble of making a simulator to be used in the Wonder woman manner.... may as well fly an arcade shooter.

Oleg should churn out flyables 2 a penny.

I mean, do wonder woman fliers actually care about FM accuracy, cockpit gauge functionality, DM fidelity?

If they don't, that's cool...just a question.
I'm interested in FM accuracy and cockpit gauges and love the cockpits, etc.

I play in both WW and cockpit-on servers. The latter, for me, provides good gameplay based on immersion, while the former, with WW, provides good gameplay based on lots of shooting action.

End of the day, I can't see very much with the cockpit on. I'm hoping that when I have 6DOF I'll never use WW again.

waffen-79
11-04-2007, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by joeap:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Monty_Thrud:
Dam, i thought this was about h0t lesbian shenagins...doh!

Sigh... this is the internet, you don't find pr0n, it finds you.

But here you go anyway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgP3_n5vSd4 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you Megile, Slipball and Oddball. Now I need a cold shower. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

thanks for the link. REALLY

hmmm, nothing sexier than a little of monica and eva http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

JtD
11-04-2007, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by Megile:

I mean, do wonder woman fliers actually care about FM accuracy, cockpit gauge functionality, DM fidelity?

A lot. The less restricted you are on views, the more plane performance counts.

To me, pit on or off actually does not make much of a difference as far as overall fun is concerned.

MEGILE
11-04-2007, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by EiZ0N:

End of the day, I can't see very much with the cockpit on. I'm hoping that when I have 6DOF I'll never use WW again.

Good point.. perhaps the immersion of 6DOF will prove more popular than the freedom of Wonder woman, in BoB.

MEGILE
11-04-2007, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by waffen-79:


thanks for the link. REALLY

hmmm, nothing sexier than a little of monica and eva http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

MEGILE
11-04-2007, 02:01 PM
Originally posted by JtD:


To me, pit on or off actually does not make much of a difference as far as overall fun is concerned.

No doubt, I don't question it's fun factor dude, I just wonder if I was wrong in assuming most people didn't fly wonder woman.

Xiolablu3
11-04-2007, 02:33 PM
I statred flying online on 334th server with WW view. - Good times!

MOved onto pit-on because its far more immersive for me. WOnder Woman now feels like I'm flying a Space Sim, rather than a WW2 sim. Also I feel wonderwoman/icon servers attract the 'airquake' crowd where you have 3 or 4 friendly planes all fighting over the kill, I HATE servers with that ettiquite nowadays. It feels more like quake deathmatch than WW2 air combat.

I like externals on, however. Pit-on and externals on strikes the balance between Sim and Fun for me. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif The server MUST have some kind of honour/teamwork however, not just air madness.

eg. Cover you teamate as he shoots, dont barge in and make life harder for him. Cover your bombers as they attack, fly with honour..etc etc...

Play whatever settings you enjoy...

i200th_Sakagawa
11-04-2007, 02:42 PM
Sitting and laughing You lost me Megile buahahahaha.

Seriously WW servers are BSs and as You said Megile..............Its just for childrens who luv pacman.LOL

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

MEGILE
11-04-2007, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by i200th_Sakagawa:
Sitting and laughing You lost me Megile buahahahaha.

Seriously WW servers are BSs and as You said Megile..............Its just for childrens who luv pacman.LOL

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

LOL

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not, but I'm glad you LOLd. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

JtD
11-04-2007, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by Megile:

No doubt, I don't question it's fun factor dude, I just wonder if I was wrong in assuming most people didn't fly wonder woman.

If you check Hyperlobby, it's about 50/50 split. If you check the noise at ubi zoo, it's 95/5 in cockpit on favor.

Daiichidoku
11-04-2007, 04:22 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/Daiichidoku/suckerfish.jpg

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

mortoma
11-04-2007, 05:27 PM
I have never flown any type of a mission with WW. I have used it a couple of times to get the true air speed readings. That's it, period.

DKoor
11-04-2007, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/Daiichidoku/suckerfish.jpg

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

BfHeFwMe
11-04-2007, 09:47 PM
No cockpit is fine as long as your over a desert map. I get so cold without a cockpit and clothes on, while flying the winter maps especially.

http://www.junctionten.org.uk/images/IM.jpg

SlickStick
11-05-2007, 12:24 PM
The funniest part of this thread is guys like Daii who fly mostly pit-off and try and pretend like they don't to protect their fragile online personna. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

AirQuake™ has it's uses. It's fun flying like an arcade game on some nights and full simulation another. WW view or pit-on in AirQuake™ is irrelevant when externals are enabled and F6 rules the day anyway. The only thing locking the pit does is make you work a little harder shooting and thankfully takes those stupid arrows away.

Looking at the top servers on any given night in HL and the most-filled are the WW servers. There may be possibly an equal amount of server types, but the WW servers are the most crowded usually.

There are those that can fly WW successfully and those that can't. Don't feel bad Megile. Not all pilots are cut out to succeed in AirQuake™. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Not that I care one way or the other. We have all the difficulty settings in the game that we have for just that reason, to be able to fly any way a person chooses.

Being the King of the F6 Aces™ is still being king of something. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

BSS_AIJO
11-05-2007, 12:51 PM
http://www.shadoehaze.com/photo-galleries/misc2/Wonder%20Woman.jpg

Yes, wonder woman server == ghey...

Mostly...

Go in leave the pit on and just work on your deflection shooting..

BSS_AIJO

waffen-79
11-05-2007, 01:12 PM
I'm sorry mate but...

AIJO WTF DUDE!

don't do that again, what ever happened to the swedish babes, cheerleaders and girls in lingerie http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

foxyboy1964
11-05-2007, 02:00 PM
Yeah man I'm with Waffen on this one. That's a ban if ever I saw one. I'm going to check out the "something for the Swedes" thread pronto.

Daiichidoku
11-05-2007, 05:06 PM
Megile, check your bait, you're getting moronfish in the catch

yes slick, unbeknownst to myself, i am pretending i dont fly arcade http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

thats why i have only shown a few ppl the ntrack of me pwning you, and your concurrent self-pwnage in chat on same, as i dont want ppl to know i fly arcade

ooh, the shame!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif



pretty sad, gettin shot down by a "scrub" like me, when u even had an la7 helping your spit

SlickStick
11-05-2007, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
Megile, check your bait, you're getting moronfish in the catch

yes slick, unbeknownst to myself, i am pretending i dont fly arcade http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

thats why i have only shown a few ppl the ntrack of me pwning you, and your concurrent self-pwnage in chat on same, as i dont want ppl to know i fly arcade

ooh, the shame!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif



pretty sad, gettin shot down by a "scrub" like me, when u even had an la7 helping your spit

Sadly, your posts in this thread would lead one to believe otherwise, but meh. I'm betting you have no such ntrk, as you have been my biatch since Jane's WWII Fighters. And if you do, it's one kill out of a gazillion. I can live with that K/D ratio. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Not that you matter, but please post the original footage of said track. Not a video. As I recall, our last meeting had me spanking you in your Tempest and I can't even remember the last time the name Daiichidoku shot me down. The time before that I gave you full altitude advantage to ease your pain and you still managed to smash into the ground. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

It will be interesting to see and also the approximate date of said ntrk.

Besides, the number one difficulty switch that is the ultimate difference between arcade and simulation is a little switch called "No Externals". Pit is irrelevant when all of the dogfighting is taking place outside of the plane, as F6 will padlock air any enemy within 3km.

Weeeeee, those pit-on/externals enabled guys sure have it rough, LMFAO!!!!

waffen-79
11-05-2007, 06:42 PM
Originally posted by SlickStick:
Weeeeee, those pit-on/externals enabled guys sure have it rough, LMFAO!!!!

Slick mate, what do you have against people that prefer those servers? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Cajun76
11-05-2007, 10:45 PM
Originally posted by waffen-79:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SlickStick:
Weeeeee, those pit-on/externals enabled guys sure have it rough, LMFAO!!!!

Slick mate, what do you have against people that prefer those servers? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Charos
11-05-2007, 11:02 PM
Originally posted by BSS_AIJO:
{Edited for the betterment of humanity}
Yes, wonder woman server == ghey...

Mostly...

Go in leave the pit on and just work on your deflection shooting..

BSS_AIJO


As AIJO so elequently pointed out http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif making the strongest case yet for a small FOV with as much obstruction to view desirable.

Clearly the case for viewing too much of the world at any one moment is now rendered mute.

SlickStick
11-05-2007, 11:23 PM
Originally posted by Cajun76:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by waffen-79:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SlickStick:
Weeeeee, those pit-on/externals enabled guys sure have it rough, LMFAO!!!!

Slick mate, what do you have against people that prefer those servers? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL w/ Cajun. Spot on.

I guess he doesn't know where I usually fly, huh? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

MrMojok
11-05-2007, 11:45 PM
no one cares.

waffen-79
11-06-2007, 02:43 AM
Originally posted by SlickStick:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cajun76:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by waffen-79:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SlickStick:
Weeeeee, those pit-on/externals enabled guys sure have it rough, LMFAO!!!!

Slick mate, what do you have against people that prefer those servers? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL w/ Cajun. Spot on.

I guess he doesn't know where I usually fly, huh? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't get it...care to elaborate?

MEGILE
11-06-2007, 02:47 AM
I have an alias for every server, so one one knows I fly Lerche on Wonderwoman, with X4s.

ps. Daii your server needs Lerche!

DKoor
11-06-2007, 02:54 AM
......and no more shipz0ramma.

MEGILE
11-06-2007, 03:01 AM
Originally posted by DKoor:
......and no more shipz0ramma.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1241.gif

ViktorViktor
11-06-2007, 03:44 AM
Does anyone fly with both pit off AND gunsight off ?
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
That sounds like a true test of one's gender (I refrained from writing 'manhood' out of respect to LEBillfish).

Daiichidoku
11-06-2007, 06:41 AM
Originally posted by Megile:
I have an alias for every server, so one one knows I fly Lerche on Wonderwoman, with X4s.

ps. Daii your server needs Lerche!

can someone tell me what the economic max range of Lerche is please? :P

Daiichidoku
11-06-2007, 06:43 AM
Originally posted by DKoor:
......and no more shipz0ramma.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Daiichidoku
11-06-2007, 06:47 AM
Originally posted by SlickStick:
bla bla bla I'm betting you have no such ntrk bla bla bla

you have nothing to bet with slick

anyhow, dont believe me, ask Megile
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

DKoor
11-06-2007, 06:52 AM
Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DKoor:
......and no more shipz0ramma.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

.............keep 'em Daii.... that was a joke http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

Daiichidoku
11-06-2007, 06:57 AM
Originally posted by DKoor:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DKoor:
......and no more shipz0ramma.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

.............keep 'em Daii.... that was a joke http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

i wasnt really sad...i knew u had fun on ships

but its morning, my brain dont werk then...i just couldnt do a witty response (yes, it is always morning where i am, ty http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif)

MEGILE
11-06-2007, 06:58 AM
Originally posted by Daiichidoku:


can someone tell me what the economic max range of Lerche is please? :P

A more pertinent question would be, what is the max range of the X4

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

DKoor
11-06-2007, 07:01 AM
Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Daiichidoku:


can someone tell me what the economic max range of Lerche is please? :P

A more pertinent question would be, what is the max range of the X4

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

.....l1nk to related content; can someone please learn me X-4 shooting? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Daiichidoku
11-06-2007, 07:56 AM
ummmmmmmmmmm

Kuna...just to let you know...your latest fav buddy in the world is quite proficient with X4 use, go ask him (but ask in chart form) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

ive even seen him "dancing" a lurch through a village, sweeping its streets

SlickStick
11-06-2007, 09:15 AM
Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SlickStick:
bla bla bla I'm betting you have no such ntrk bla bla bla

you have nothing to bet with slick

anyhow, dont believe me, ask Megile
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

As I figured. Anyone else but me acknowledging it means nothing. Typical attempt at perception being 90% of reality. Even if it shows what you say, that would still be an easy 100 to 1 K/D ratio for me, dating all the way back to Jane's. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

SlickStick
11-06-2007, 09:19 AM
Originally posted by waffen-79:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SlickStick:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cajun76:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by waffen-79:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SlickStick:
Weeeeee, those pit-on/externals enabled guys sure have it rough, LMFAO!!!!

Slick mate, what do you have against people that prefer those servers? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL w/ Cajun. Spot on.

I guess he doesn't know where I usually fly, huh? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't get it...care to elaborate? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It was a jab at those pretend elitists who think because they fly pit-on with externals enabled, they are simming like an All Switches Left™ server. They spend more time out of their plane than in it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Externals enabled is the number one arcade setting and the joke was that on most servers that I fly on, externals are indeed enabled.

Feel better now knowing there was no malice intended? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

DKoor
11-06-2007, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
ummmmmmmmmmm

Kuna...just to let you know...your latest fav buddy in the world is quite proficient with X4 use, go ask him (but ask in chart form) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

ive even seen him "dancing" a lurch through a village, sweeping its streets http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

waffen-79
11-06-2007, 01:03 PM
@Slick
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif roger that mate

honestly, whenever the subject arises, I talk about how cpit on + externals are my first choice

I only (if ever) fly full switch when my squadrons mates (EV401) are flying a coop or are on their fab server "spits vs 109"

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

BrewsterPilot
11-06-2007, 01:06 PM
Megile is ghey - be sure.

DKoor
11-06-2007, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by BrewsterPilot:
Megile is ghey - be sure. http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o125/DKoor/smileys/stfu2.gif