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BSS_CUDA
03-13-2004, 01:04 PM
this is an Official whine thread and if you dont like it then dont post

well its official FB sucks since the release of the AEP, there used to be a time when you could go into a room and see a gagle of different planes, but now since the AEP came out all you see is KI's 3/4 of all planes on both sides are KI's. I got the release the day it came out and since then there has been an increasing # of KI's in games more and more everyday, what a newbie plane my God, my wife who had never played and PC game before in her life tried it out and got 2 kills with it, hell I even thought about letting my dog try to fly it, that plane will out turn, out climb, out gun (with the exception of the mk108's )and out dive almost everyplane in the game. not to mention its built like a tank, I hit several today with 5-6 20MM rounds from my 38 and it flew away unfazed. PLEASE PLEASE to all of you server hosts BAN this severly over modeled aircraft from your server. this thing is almost as bad as the george in CFS2.

ok i'm done ranting back to HL

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BSS_CUDA
Co-Founder of my family
Black Sheep Tactical Officer

That was some of the best flying I've seen yet! right up to the part where you got killed.
you NEVER NEVER leave your wingman.

Jester : TopGun

BSS_CUDA
03-13-2004, 01:04 PM
this is an Official whine thread and if you dont like it then dont post

well its official FB sucks since the release of the AEP, there used to be a time when you could go into a room and see a gagle of different planes, but now since the AEP came out all you see is KI's 3/4 of all planes on both sides are KI's. I got the release the day it came out and since then there has been an increasing # of KI's in games more and more everyday, what a newbie plane my God, my wife who had never played and PC game before in her life tried it out and got 2 kills with it, hell I even thought about letting my dog try to fly it, that plane will out turn, out climb, out gun (with the exception of the mk108's )and out dive almost everyplane in the game. not to mention its built like a tank, I hit several today with 5-6 20MM rounds from my 38 and it flew away unfazed. PLEASE PLEASE to all of you server hosts BAN this severly over modeled aircraft from your server. this thing is almost as bad as the george in CFS2.

ok i'm done ranting back to HL

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BSS_CUDA
Co-Founder of my family
Black Sheep Tactical Officer

That was some of the best flying I've seen yet! right up to the part where you got killed.
you NEVER NEVER leave your wingman.

Jester : TopGun

BuzzU
03-13-2004, 01:30 PM
It's a pretty good plane, but i'm not going for your wife getting two kills that easy.

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steve_v
03-13-2004, 01:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> hell I even thought about letting my dog try to fly it<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>So it was YOUR dog that took me down. Damn!!

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CaptainGelo
03-13-2004, 01:35 PM
99% Agreed.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

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LEXX_Luthor
03-13-2004, 01:35 PM
edit, I'd get BANNED for that one. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

anyway...go back to Diaperlobby


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CaptainGelo
03-13-2004, 01:37 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/smileys-gun2.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/smileys-gun2.gifki's
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[This message was edited by oleg86 on Sat March 13 2004 at 01:54 PM.]

VMF513_Sandman
03-13-2004, 01:46 PM
warlock and i did alot of tests to try to find a weak link...and found none. u cant shear a wing off that crate. pk's are possible.....just throw cannon shells at the wingroot fusalage or directly up the tail, but u still wont blow the tail off like any other plane would.

this plane is so fast, it should be a jet. 2 ounces of stick pressure rolls it on its back. it's the 'supernoob' plane. for those who's too lazy to actually try to earn an honest kill. it's the kill poacher's bird of choice. as such, all ki-84's have been deleted from 513's servers as well as jets.
this ki-84 is like a george on pcp...a bird we didnt need. only those that cant fly runs it. if u want my respect, fly a man's plane....p-38 or p-51.

VMF-214_HaVoK
03-13-2004, 01:47 PM
I definately agree about the UBER Ki and do see alot of them. Usually flown by n00bs and/or point chasers. But try servers with atleast cockpit on and you dont see as many.
Those who dispute the fact that the Ki is a n00b plane are living in a fantasy world. They will argue this to make up for there own lack of skill and abilty to find success flying other aircraft.
But having said that I think AEP in way sucks or FB for that matter.
=S=

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VMF-214_HaVoK
03-13-2004, 01:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VMF513_Sandman:
warlock and i did alot of tests to try to find a weak link...and found none. u cant shear a wing off that crate. pk's are possible.....just throw cannon shells at the wingroot fusalage or directly up the tail, but u still wont blow the tail off like any other plane would.

this plane is so fast, it should be a jet. 2 ounces of stick pressure rolls it on its back. it's the 'supernoob' plane. for those who's too lazy to actually try to earn an honest kill. it's the kill poacher's bird of choice. as such, all ki-84's have been deleted from 513's servers as well as jets.
this ki-84 is like a george on pcp...a bird we didnt need. only those that cant fly runs it. if u want my respect, fly a man's plane....p-38 or p-51.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You forgot to mention the JUG! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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_VR_ScorpionWorm
03-13-2004, 01:52 PM
must have been me those 2 times I can't shake an opponent for anything.....oh my god I got beat by a woman...just kidding. I think woman pilots are evenly matched if not better.

"He went like this, we went like that, I called to Hollywood 'Were'd he go?', Hollywood called back, 'Were'd WHO go'-TOPGUN

VMF513_Sandman
03-13-2004, 01:53 PM
ahhhh yea....ur right. specially flyin the d-10/22 in cockpit mode 'competing' with the lack of forward view for gunnery. now those 2 birds, i'd credit them for outstanding gunnery in a full cockpit server flyin just that 1. a hard way to get a kill, but u gotta admit, more satisfaction.

is it me, or did the jug's roll rate actually increase over 1.22.....methinks it did.

i seen how u and pappy were able to outrun the p-38-L in the 10....dude...explain how. i'd fly the jug a bit more if i knew how to get the capable speed it obviously has

BuzzU
03-13-2004, 01:56 PM
I'm glad to see it start to get banned. I'll feel a little better in my P-51 without that rocket in the air.

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Chuck_Older
03-13-2004, 02:31 PM
OK, here's my main complaint about FB with the AEP add-on:

if anyone doesn't instantly become the latest incarnation of the Red Baron while flying their favorite plane against another good plane, that plane that beat them is automatically overmodelled and because of that, FB sucks. Fb sucks, FB blows, this sim is the worst ever, blah blah. Maybe some planes are terribly over-modelled. I never flew a real one, so I can't say. What I can say is that FB simulates perfect conditions for these aircraft if the pilot does not choose incorrect engine settings, or battle damage does not occur.

FB sucks because of this, apparently. OK, fine and good. I hope that the guy holding the gun to your head and forcing you to play this sim doesn't hurt you http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I'm pretty sick of the whine threads and the whiners. I don't much care if you discuss something that might be wrong, because then it's constructive, but when the first sentence reads, "FB sucks, blah blah" it gets old real fast.

I don't like it and I posted. I'm not sure what, but I'm sure something terrible will happen to me now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

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BuzzU
03-13-2004, 02:36 PM
You're right Chuck. Your shoes untied. That will teach you.

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Chuck_Older
03-13-2004, 02:37 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

Actually, you were right

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BuzzU
03-13-2004, 02:38 PM
See.

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Chuck_Older
03-13-2004, 02:42 PM
Just barely...I think I need glasses now. Drat! I never should have posted! Where's the delete post command??? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Wave bub-bub-bub-bye to the boss, it's your profit, it's his loss~ Clash

p1ngu666
03-13-2004, 02:43 PM
its the C i have issues with
if u can fly away from a pass from one of them your really lucky
it has no fundimental weakness like a 190 (cant turn)
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LEXX_Luthor
03-13-2004, 02:45 PM
Well the problem is they are making judgements from sea level onwhine dogfight servers...that's why I snapped and became "hero" for the day. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Sorry about that.

No one has documented how Ki~84 is "uber" in FM. I have found it to be 30km/hr slower than P~51D at 8km altitude. Granted the climb rate could be looked into, I have not done so yet. However, on the other hand, as I never fly or fight against Ki, I have no opinion on the DM until now...

...this is interesting. Tested AI DM with AI control of TB~3 nose gunner in the mission below--both parked for takeoff in open ground. You can move the target plane by several meters, each time move a slightly different result happens. Most interesting, in two tries with different positioning, it is the P~47D~22 that starts burning as soon as the gunner fires, while Ki~84 seems to last longer than P~51B and even Fb109E. Fw190 A4 lasted the longest although I only tried one posittion for that. Many positions need to be tried. Its only an AI DM Whine but this is better than the Whines without tracks.


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Bull_dog_
03-13-2004, 02:50 PM
I have to chime in with this thread...normally I wouldn't care, but there is a definite lack of servers that have historical aircraft with the settings I like...usually fly cockpit on w/ external views/icons on or wonder woman view...

If I had a spare computer and the know-how; I'd just start my own dedicated server and ban all Ki-84's...maybe let the 1A in occassionally...jets would be on that list as would La-7's...don't mind the Yaks as I think they are modelled correctly except maybe roll rates... Let me add the 109Z and 109K to the ban list...actually the Ta is ok...you can shoot one down at low altitude once in awhile... Heck I'd rather let Me-262's in a server before those Ki's

I have not been flying on line much lately as a result of this...I even tried the Ki, but like the La-7; I just don't enjoy flying it and I don't enjoy flying the same plane against each other...which is what you do now cause most people are flying Ki's...just don't fit on an Ardennes map.

Give me a 1941-44 planeset...just pit Fw A-5's and A-8's along side G-2s and 6's against P-47's, 38's and 51's and soon to be spit Mk IX's and you got a good fight...

BuzzU
03-13-2004, 03:00 PM
I can go against 4 ace AI La7's, and win with the Ki-84. I can't do that with any other plane in FB, except the Jets. Was the Ki-84 that good in real life?

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Hunde_3.JG51
03-13-2004, 03:10 PM
Buzz, I can take a FW-190A-4 and beat 4 Ace Yak-3's or La-7's. And the FW-190A-4 is not very good at all. I don't know about the Ki though, I don't fly it much or against it. The servers I usually go on don't have the Japanese planes/scenarios.

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Formerly Kyrule2
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BuzzU
03-13-2004, 03:16 PM
You're probably B&Zing them. I agree you can beat the AI with a lot of planes that way. I was talking about jumping in a furball with them down low. Just like you'd find on a typical server. The Ki-84 is deadly is that scenario.

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VMF-214_HaVoK
03-13-2004, 03:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VMF513_Sandman:
ahhhh yea....ur right. specially flyin the d-10/22 in cockpit mode 'competing' with the lack of forward view for gunnery. now those 2 birds, i'd credit them for outstanding gunnery in a full cockpit server flyin just that 1. a hard way to get a kill, but u gotta admit, more satisfaction.

is it me, or did the jug's roll rate actually increase over 1.22.....methinks it did.

i seen how u and pappy were able to outrun the p-38-L in the 10....dude...explain how. i'd fly the jug a bit more if i knew how to get the capable speed it obviously has<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Above 4000 meters and at max power the P-47D10 is a good deal faster then the P-38L. There is a cool little program called IL2 Compare. I cant find the link or I would post it for you. I could send it to ya via ICQ. It allows you to complare plane vs plane and view charts such as ROC and TAS/Alt.
=S=

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Flamin_Squirrel
03-13-2004, 03:47 PM
Yesterday i encountered a particularly bad ki-84 pilot, who dispite my flying a mkIIc hurri somehow managed to allow me to empty my guns in his direction with a 25% hit rate (which isnt too bad as the users of il2 manager will know). He kept flying with no apparent damage. That was irritating.

Maple_Tiger
03-13-2004, 04:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by steve_v:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> hell I even thought about letting my dog try to fly it<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>So it was YOUR dog that took me down. Damn!!

http://home.earthlink.net/~viner45/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/doggie.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


lol Steve, good one.

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SeaFireLIV
03-13-2004, 04:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
_this is an Official whine thread and if you dont like it then dont post_

well its official FB sucks since the release of the AEP, , what a newbie plane my God, my wife who had never played and PC game before in her life tried it out and got 2 kills with it<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm. Another big DUMB whine because you got shot down by the same plane 3 times and your view of your aircraft`s superiority doesn`t fit with AEP. What about working with tactics, using a wingman? As was done inreality. Flying with more realistic servers? Lack of evidence, proof, details consign this to the `Bwwwahhhh` cotty, diaper land!

Well, glad you`ve got it off your chest.

Oh, and I don`t buy that `My wife` waffle either.

SeaFireLIV...

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Soon... Very soon....

[This message was edited by SeaFireLIV on Sat March 13 2004 at 04:04 PM.]

DuxCorvan
03-13-2004, 05:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> FB sucks... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I normally don't read anymore... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

But I did. And YES. Even as an offliner, and without AEP Ki, I hate the Dragon Ball Z Pokemon plane... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

How did the Japanese lose the air war with the flying rocket tank? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

BSS_CUDA
03-13-2004, 06:07 PM
Hmmm. Another big DUMB whine because you got shot down by the same plane 3 times and your view of your aircraft`s superiority doesn`t fit with AEP. What about working with tactics, using a wingman? As was done inreality. Flying with more realistic servers? Lack of evidence, proof, details consign this to the `Bwwwahhhh` cotty, diaper land!
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way to go SeaFireLIV you A$$-umed I got shot down typical. read my
wine before you post next time, my whine was that its a newbie plane and 3 out of four ppl are flying it. unlike pilots that fly the 109 or the 38 or the 51 that take SOME form of talent,as I stated My Dog could probably fly it and get a kill and ya know what I dont give a rats a$$ if you believe me about my wife.so as I stated in my first post,

this is an Official whine thread and if you dont like it then dont post

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BSS_CUDA
Co-Founder of my family
Black Sheep Tactical Officer

That was some of the best flying I've seen yet! right up to the part where you got killed.
you NEVER NEVER leave your wingman.

Jester : TopGun

SeaFireLIV
03-13-2004, 06:25 PM
That`s it.... Feel better yet?

SeaFireLIV...

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Soon... Very soon....

Beirut
03-13-2004, 08:56 PM
When I flew CFS1 online at The Zone, many rooms didn't allow P-51s because they were so ridiculously overmodeled. They turned on a dime and accelerated straight up like an F-15.

Just fly with people who don't fly the uber-planes.

"Official Lancaster whiner"

VMF513_Sandman
03-14-2004, 08:22 PM
wanna take out ki's....get into a m5 zeke. seems the frank driver's cant handle the low speed knife fight the m5 will go into. if they z/b, the manuverabilty of the m5 will make em miss. sooner or later they'll get pissed enuough to try to take the zeke in its arena. just make em fly in full pit...no ww or externals and see if they can handle that. seems all the ultra noobs are in ww servers...go figure.