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LeadSpitter_
07-28-2005, 09:45 PM
what does the fine il2 community think will be changed in the next september patch, and do you think a patch including new aircraft will need a patch itself?

Post away.

LStarosta
07-28-2005, 09:51 PM
Warclouds stats.

PlaneEater
07-28-2005, 09:57 PM
What I'd LIKE to see changed?

Post-refit Lexington carriers, more Essex-es, real US and IJN battleships and cruisers, an Avenger cockpit, Vindicator and Devestator as AI, a few more IJAAF planes, and carrier catapults. And a Burma map.

What I EXPECT? Nothing.

AerialTarget
07-28-2005, 09:59 PM
The P-38 Lightning will be have its performance lowered even further, and the Me-109 will receive an equally unrealistic performance boost.

JG7_Rall
07-28-2005, 10:12 PM
The whinning will be increased exponentially.

crazyivan1970
07-28-2005, 10:17 PM
Oleg added one line of code for sure:

if(strcmp (strUser, 'LeadSpitter") ==0){
shutdown immediate;
}

Grey_Mouser67
07-28-2005, 10:22 PM
I'm thinking we'll get a few new planes and miss out on a couple we really really wanted.

We'll get the Fw damage bug fixed, but in the process we'll create a new one...call me a skeptic!

I'm hoping for but not expecting...more HMG power and/or shake/shimmy/pitch in Mustang, spit, jug, lightning, fw, corsair, hellcat to be improved/dampened.

I also hope that the stall speed of the 109 is increased, the prop pitch thingy removed, the trim on a slider changed back, elevator authority restored to Lightning as well as climb rate on J brought up. I'd like to see the Hellcat, Corsair and Jug toughened...I'd like to see the Dora given the DM of an inline engine, the MC202 if not flyable at least the DM toned down a bit.

Got to have the skeeter, tempest and mkXIV...with good FM and DM! I'd also like to see some improvements made in the zoom climb/energy modelling of certain aircraft not to be named so as not to add to the controversy. Get rid of the speedy AI problem.

I am a bit pessimistic, besause the last patch was so long in coming out and the next one is so short relatively speaking...and the new FM created so much work to straighten things out I'm very concerned that this sim is going to end on a real downer. Doesn't seem that new planes combined with the tweaks and changes needed could be done in such a short time.

This latest patch reminds me of an experience I had at an organization...the Company and the Union negotiated and put in place a system for evaluating jobs that was new so as to have a systematic way of determining pay level...all jobs were reevaluated and maybe 15 postions went down in pay...about 30 went up...the overall payroll of the organization and cost went up about $500K and every hourly employee in the company was PO'd majorly and of course the leadership was PO'd about the added cost and all the po'd employees!!! The leadership lost credibility, the union officials were voted out of office and the system plauged the organization by sapping time and resources for years....

It all sounded good at first, but there are some things and changes that are best done slowly and methodically. Great intentions, poor results.

This patch and the emotions and banter on this forum remind me of that time in my life. The new FM is a great idea, but it is a radical departure from the game I purchased and now one aspect, particularly online gaming, is no longer as enjoyable as it once was...I am hoping above all else that this changes for me as I really love this sim...it is my second favorite hobby behind fishing.

Pirschjaeger
07-28-2005, 10:29 PM
In the next patch I expect to see Kurfurst and Gibbage fall deeply in love and fly off into the sunset in a P-38 Late. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Fritz

han freak solo
07-28-2005, 10:35 PM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
In the next patch I expect to see Kurfurst and Gibbage fall deeply in love and fly off into the sunset in a P-38 Late. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Fritz

No more love affairs please!! The one between Lstarosta, JGRall, and Pre is more than sick enough!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

Fehler
07-28-2005, 10:42 PM
Originally posted by AerialTarget:
The P-38 Lightning will be have its performance lowered even further, and the Me-109 will receive an equally unrealistic performance boost.

Great post AT, here is your prize:
http://webpages.charter.net/cuda70/whiner.jpg

Now for a realistic view here is what I hope to see:

Aircraft Concerns:

1.) FW190
- realistic DM with fuel leaks
- stronger control rods than currently modelled.
- historical roll rates
- bring back the "edginess" feeling near stall.
- auto pitch mode that can actually be used to get the documented ata ratings.

2.) P-47
- stronger engine DM
- better dive acceleration.
- stronger control rods

3.) P-40
- more tail weight for take-off

4.) P-38
- meet their published climb rates
- stronger elevator DM (Why does it always fall off when hit? -always-)

5.) P-51
- slightly stronger engine DM similar to other in-lines

7.) Bf109
- Stronger penalty for switching to manual mode.
- Historic ratings being achieved in auto mode (KG on)

---------------

Global concerns:

1.) a recheck on all aircraft FM
- New global FM has thrown off a lot of aircraft's historic rates of climb. This lends to the perception that some aircraft are UFO's now.
- Inertia has thrown off roll rates on a large portion of aircraft, there must be a solution to keep the current FM but incorporate inertial modeling.
- The global FM has affected stall speeds of a number of aircraft, also lending to the perception of UFOs.

2.) Slat equipped aircraft being able to stall at gross AoA, unlike now, they merely sink; lending to the perception of UFOs.

3.) more dispursion for all weapons - they arent lasers, perhaps this could be accomplished by adding more recoil to all weapons. In my personal experience and training, I feel that the "Pre-fix" .50 cals were probably the best modelled guns in the game. All others were way too accurate.



-----------------

So, as you can see, I am not one side biased. There are good and bad things to be fixed on all airplanes that I usually fly. Of course, this is an opinion thread, and the above is merely my opinion (based on a fair amount of reading and practical experience, but none the less, my opinion) with exception of the global guns issue. I have fired heavy MGs from moving aerial platforms, and the guns in this game have always been far too accurate.

And my final prayer, which I have as much expectation as I do of hitting the lottery, if for all to realize that with the addition of any feature into the game, there will be periods of "Teething" in order to get things more correct. But, just like in real life, most babies cry a lot when they are teething...

heywooood
07-28-2005, 11:13 PM
the version number.

...beyond that is anyones guess.

Will it be for better or worse?..depends on which ultimate authority you ask...and whether they are
of red or blue persuasion.

..pretty early for patchwhine, isn't it?...this is more like...grapejuice.

Fox_3
07-29-2005, 04:12 AM
Some beta testers who can do their job would be nice.

MEGILE
07-29-2005, 05:37 AM
The Focke Wulf Cockpit bar will be removed.

sapre
07-29-2005, 07:56 AM
What I want:
FM bugs fixed, new maps of Solomons, New Guinea, Phillipines, Leyte, new IJN and USN Cruisers and Battleships and Aircraft Carriers, Flyable N1K2, B6N2, Mosquito, Italian Planes, AI Devastator, D4Y, Ki-27, Ki-21, A5M.

What I expect:
FM Bugs fixed,
Flyable Italian Planes, AI Devastator, Ki-21, A5M.

crazyivan1970
07-29-2005, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by Fox_3:
Some beta testers who can do their job would be nice.

And who are you again?

faustnik
07-29-2005, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by Fehler:


Aircraft Concerns:

1.) FW190
- realistic DM with fuel leaks
- stronger control rods than currently modelled.
- historical roll rates
- bring back the "edginess" feeling near stall.
- auto pitch mode that can actually be used to get the documented ata ratings.

2.) P-47
- stronger engine DM
- better dive acceleration.
- stronger control rods

3.) P-40
- more tail weight for take-off

4.) P-38
- meet their published climb rates
- stronger elevator DM (Why does it always fall off when hit? -always-)

5.) P-51
- slightly stronger engine DM similar to other in-lines

7.) Bf109
- Stronger penalty for switching to manual mode.
- Historic ratings being achieved in auto mode (KG on)

---------------

Global concerns:

1.) a recheck on all aircraft FM
- New global FM has thrown off a lot of aircraft's historic rates of climb. This lends to the perception that some aircraft are UFO's now.
- Inertia has thrown off roll rates on a large portion of aircraft, there must be a solution to keep the current FM but incorporate inertial modeling.
- The global FM has affected stall speeds of a number of aircraft, also lending to the perception of UFOs.

2.) Slat equipped aircraft being able to stall at gross AoA, unlike now, they merely sink; lending to the perception of UFOs.



Nice list. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Grey_Mouser67
07-29-2005, 11:30 AM
I agree with the above...it is an excellent list!

F16_Neo
07-29-2005, 11:37 AM
And server-decided content on "S-view" (planetypes).

faustnik
07-29-2005, 11:49 AM
Fehler,

A couple additions/modifications to your list;

- Check engine DM of all R-2800 equipped a/c. The F4U and F6F have the same issues.

- Check vulnerability of Bf109 fuel tanks to MG fire, especially .50 cal.

TAGERT.
07-29-2005, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
what does the fine il2 community think will be changed in the next september patch, and do you think a patch including new aircraft will need a patch itself?

Post away. I think Oleg will finally fix the Fw190 forward view to take into account light refraction.

Fehler
07-29-2005, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by TAGERT.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
what does the fine il2 community think will be changed in the next september patch, and do you think a patch including new aircraft will need a patch itself?

Post away. I think Oleg will finally fix the Fw190 forward view to take into account light refraction. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Heh! Hey, let me hit that bong too! ROFL!

DangerForward
07-29-2005, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by Fehler:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TAGERT.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
what does the fine il2 community think will be changed in the next september patch, and do you think a patch including new aircraft will need a patch itself?

Post away. I think Oleg will finally fix the Fw190 forward view to take into account light refraction. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Heh! Hey, let me hit that bong too! ROFL! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Keep it going around Bogart...it's puff puff give, puff puff give...http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

nakamura_kenji
07-29-2005, 12:34 PM
ki-61 has speed increased to what rated currently 20-30mph down and slower that ki-100 which was faster than ^_^

add hopefully j2m3 raiden

TAGERT.
07-29-2005, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by Fehler:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TAGERT.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
what does the fine il2 community think will be changed in the next september patch, and do you think a patch including new aircraft will need a patch itself?

Post away. I think Oleg will finally fix the Fw190 forward view to take into account light refraction. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Heh! Hey, let me hit that bong too! ROFL! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>ROTFL! I can dream cant I? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

LStarosta
07-29-2005, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by han freak solo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
In the next patch I expect to see Kurfurst and Gibbage fall deeply in love and fly off into the sunset in a P-38 Late. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Fritz

No more love affairs please!! The one between Lstarosta, JGRall, and Pre is more than sick enough!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL!

darkhorizon11
07-29-2005, 12:56 PM
Besides the aircraft that have been rehashed over and over again which is probably gonna be the biggest feature for most of the patch.

1. The usual FM and DM tweaking.

2. The P-38 will have a max airspeed of 200kph and service ceiling of 1000 meters.

3. The 109 and 190 will have laser sights and will carry a missle, a recently discovered project for an AA heat seeking missle that was the predecessor to the AIM-9 Sidewinder that Goebbels scribbled on a napkin a month before the war ended.

Ah, seriously though.

1. The big thing I'm looking for is that tweaking that Oleg did a long time ago where ground objects are visible from much further away and having them fade into view instead of popping.

2. The other one which probably won't happen until BOB. Is that they final fix the stall and spin problem since IL2 1.0!

faustnik
07-29-2005, 12:57 PM
Hmmm...


3. The 109 and 190 will have laser sights.

Didn't Kurfurst already post data confirming this?

Daiichidoku
07-29-2005, 01:26 PM
Originally posted by nakamura_kenji:
ki-61 has speed increased to what rated currently 20-30mph down and slower that ki-100 which was faster than ^_^

add hopefully j2m3 raiden


yes, the ki61 was a fine machine, NOT reflected in FB...too slow. lousy accel

also IMO the DM for ki61 is too critical...ki61s were built tough...only problem was lack of "true" SS tanks

same problem fo rthe Ki84 series, that would be ncie to have fixed...currently, the ki84s will flame up as easily as early zeros...this is nonsense, as ki84s had true SS tanks, and pilot protection, ON A PAR WITH ALLIED TYPES


and yea, would also be nice to see the P47 enigne DM brought into the realm of sanity

and the P 38 FM as well


also:

mainual prop pitch controls for EVERY type that had it, or TAKE IT OFF the 109s/190s

COMPRESSABILITY applied to ALL types that CAN attain it, or removed from the only one that suffers from it in FB, the P 38

lastly, removal of the 109Z and an apology fo rever including this travesty of a mockery of a sham in the game in the first place, hehehehe

murewa
07-29-2005, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Oleg added one line of code for sure:

if(strcmp (strUser, 'LeadSpitter") ==0){
shutdown immediate;
}

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
LMAO

BlitzPig_Frat
07-29-2005, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
what does the fine il2 community think will be changed in the next september patch, and do you think a patch including new aircraft will need a patch itself?

Post away.

Ohhhhh, my guess is the .50's will be bumped up to the hitting power and velocity of a magnetic rail gun. The Ki-84 will get a power boost on par with an F-15. And the Spitfire will be able to do so many full power on loops, continuously, that it will effect a new spin to the earths rotation.

Oh, and the Fw-190 canopy frame will be increased in size, and the seat lowered. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

BlitzPig_Frat
07-29-2005, 02:17 PM
oh!!! and a cheesy Hula Dancer on a spring will be added to the B-25's dashboard!!!!

Badsight.
07-29-2005, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by TAGERT.:
I think Oleg will finally fix the Fw190 forward view to take into account light refraction. that debate , its because of it not being let go is why the Luftwhiner label started

Enthor1
07-29-2005, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
what does the fine il2 community think will be changed in the next september patch, and do you think a patch including new aircraft will need a patch itself?

Post away.

This fine member of the fine il2 community thinks Oleg is planning to introduce several more issues that will undoubtedly piss you off so we can continue to see you be irritated which is half the fun of this place.

And those issues will need a patch.

Ankanor
07-30-2005, 05:52 AM
What Fehler says http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif and I hope we get a torpedo bomber cockpit.

and if Tagert, Fehler and Dangerforward pass "da bong" I'd add the BAR and AAA skills

Monson74
07-30-2005, 06:15 AM
A less fragile Jug.

FW speed corrected.

A prop & hood for the Vc.

Stall model for the pony "adjusted".

Monty_Thrud
07-30-2005, 06:52 AM
Well i'm hoping the jetpack option on level 3 will be made available for the Hurricane, also by level 5 the MkXIV will be available http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

...meanwhile back in the real world...MkIXe/25Lber,Mossie,Tempest pit,MkXIV,Jet pack for Huzzy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Oh ...and AI with extra "I"

NTRK issue sorted

All those Warbirds in the nearly here list...to be in...noooo...i dont smoke crack cocaine

HotelBushranger
07-30-2005, 07:25 AM
Hoping for some new Japanese aircraft, don't really mind. A twin engine would be good to have http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Don't really think there is gonna be a new map. Well, depends if its another 3.01 or another 4.01.

SeaNorris
07-30-2005, 07:34 AM
Flyable Tempest to combat Warclouds stats http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

EURO_Snoopy
07-30-2005, 07:44 AM
Originally posted by Fox_3:
Some beta testers who can do their job would be nice.

Some posters who had a clue what they were talking about would also be nice

wayno7777
07-30-2005, 07:47 AM
Originally posted by heywooood:
the version number.

...beyond that is anyones guess.

Will it be for better or worse?..depends on which ultimate authority you ask...and whether they are
of red or blue persuasion.

..pretty early for patchwhine, isn't it?...this is more like...grapejuice.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif Looking forward to the new flyables...

TooCooL34
07-30-2005, 07:57 AM
Battlefield2-style capture-the-airfields multiplayer mode. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

NorrisMcWhirter
07-30-2005, 08:21 AM
a. FM will be dumbed down even more.
b. 109 'exploit' will be fixed and will underperform in auto.
c. 190 will explode after being hit with 1 round from .50 to fuselage.
d. 190 will lose 100kmh with 1 round from .50 to wing.
e. 151/20s will be back to pre-4.01 levels.
f. P38L-Late will roll faster and climb faster.
g. P51 will no longer have glass jaw nor will the wings fall off at less than 1000kmh.
h. 109 controls will lock up at 300kmh
i. P47 will take 8 30mm hits.
j. Spitfire will never overheat and will climb to 5000m in less than 10s.
k. P39 will be capable of VTOL.
l. .50 cals will destroy Tigers, bunkers and
scenery in general.
m. Tempest will be added and performance will exceed that of Me262 (which will still be banned from all servers because the navigation lights cause lag).
n. Late Spitfires will be added which can get up to 6 kills per flight in WC even with joystick disconnected and the human pilot down the pub.
o. Allied whiners will still say that the game is blue biased.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ta,
Norris

jarink
07-30-2005, 10:18 AM
My (serious) guess is it will contain new airplanes, maybe a few ground objects and not much else.

Mossie (flyable and AI versions)
Tempest (flyable)
Do-335 ?
Another Spit variant with different boost
Ju-88 (flyable)

What I'd like to see, but probably won't be incuded are:
Map of the Solomons (Rabaul, Lae, Hollandia or somewheres around the northern end)
Map of Philippines (either Clark Field area, Bataan/Corregidor or Leyte)
B6N (flyable or AI)
Any of several IJA light bombers
TBF and B5N (flyable)

Hoarmurath
07-30-2005, 10:21 AM
Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
what does the fine il2 community think will be changed in the next september patch

Yankwhiners diapers.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
07-30-2005, 10:22 AM
Rear seat cupholders

Driver and passenger airbag

Cute little flower holder

replace old 8 track player with mp3 compatable player

neon underside lighting strips

bouncey suspension for to impress the ladies on apron drive by

large chrome engine cowling

mirrored cockpit glass

airhorn for shoulder shooters

re-place old style parachute with modern paraglyder

Big splash screen that reads

Congratulations the war is over you survived now go get a job and quit lurking in hear hoping your gona get listend to

Monty_Thrud
07-30-2005, 10:25 AM
n. Late Spitfires will be added which can get up to 6 kills per flight in WC even with joystick disconnected and the human pilot down the pub.


This is the warbird for me, Mk XIV with Johnnie Johnson AI/Autopilot skills...yes siree bob...i'll have 2 of these and a flyable Tempest with heat seekin' missiles..they did 'ave 'em you know...i've seen 'em ont tinternet http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


OI!..BaLrOg...you forgot pink shagpile carpet interior to impress the laaadies http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
07-30-2005, 10:29 AM
Aye n' raaaght tastey lewkin it t'wer too what wit all thae fury dice n'owt hanging oop thar in't sky

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
07-30-2005, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by Monty_Thrud:
OI!..BaLrOg...you forgot pink shagpile carpet interior to impress the laaadies http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Ney lad yah woudn't put carapet int lav now wood ee? One or tae o thae bloody loop t loop and lass would make a raaaght bloody mess. Thas wants wall tit wall lino int a real cockpit. That will keep wenches happy. Praps some o that new teak finish too looks top ranking in kitchen it doo.

Ankanor
07-30-2005, 10:41 AM
Please talk in English http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif Or you might want to go and see a surgeon. you need an emergency tongue-from-cheek removing operation http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Monty_Thrud
07-30-2005, 10:45 AM
OH!..i thought he was speaking Welsh..but then when i try to speak in a Welsh accent it comes out Indian.. ~http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif~

Hang on a minute...this type of madness is reserved only and i mean ONLY for two weeks prior to the patch being released...you dig? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
07-30-2005, 11:15 AM
Patch !! Theres gona be a patch? I thought we were talking about kitchens?

Monty_Thrud
07-30-2005, 11:23 AM
Kitchens?!..oh...righty right...er...kitchens remind me of Donuts...Donuts remind me of Homer Simpson...Homer Simpson reminds me of Beer...Beer reminds me of...the Pub, the Pub reminds me of beautiful ugly women...OK...everyone down the Pub..last one there, gets 'em in http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
07-30-2005, 11:29 AM
Sounds like a plan to me old chap is this your bicycle sir?

Monty_Thrud
07-30-2005, 11:34 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ankanor
07-30-2005, 11:42 AM
and what is more in place than this song :

go go go go go go go on love
its my birthday
you look tarty love its my birthday
ill buy you a bacardi love its my birthday
and you know im having a laugh its not my birthday

chorus:
You can find me in the pub with a pint of bud
look love i got a fiver if you let me see your jugs
im into playing darts i aint into growing shrubs
so come fill up my mug before my bag gets stuck

You can find me in the pub with a pint of bud
look love ive got a fiver if you let me see your jugs
im into playing darts i aint into growing shrubs
so come fill up my mug before my *** gets stubbed.

When i pull up out front you see my vauxhall nova
when i hit the bar its ten pints before im over
i came to watch the game coz im a blackburn rover
and i munch on m'n'm's while im down in smirn over
but only nothings changed cash down bottoms up
and i got a paper cut from rolling my rizzla up
when you watch how i move you'll mistake me for a geezer a pimp
coz i feel down my stairs and now i walk with a limp
in the **** bits of watford they say 50 you hot
they like me i want them to love me like lesbians trot
but go to hemle hempsted and they'll tell you i'm crazy
coz i once got drunk an humped a statue of a lady
but im fully focused now tea and coffee on my mind
got a part time job in the daily grind
now this girl yeah she likes my hair she likes my part
her friend is fit but she's as ugly as an-alright

You can find me in the pub with a pint of bud
look love i got a fiver if you let me see your jugs
im into playing darts i aint into growing shrubs
so come fill up my mug before my bag gets stuck

You can find me in the pub with a pint of bud
look love ive got a fiver if you let me see your jugs
im into playing darts i aint into growing shrubs
so come fill up my mug before my *** gets stubbed.

My girlfriend's mum gave me the cash that bought me all my fancy stuff
my couch, my fidge, my plates, my weights
look mate i'm tied down but i aint changed
and you should love it well more than i hate it
your like my dad fashion sense is outdated
im that bloke by the bar when i'm on my rounds
your the weird guy who never leaves or makes a sound
when the beats are pumping i get my macarana on
my mates drag me to my chair before the end of the song
if the roof's on fire someone dial 999
and if you wanna get drunk love it isnt a crime
i'll tell you what i tell every girls your fit, nice hair
if you dont wanna rush it heres another red square
or i could tell my mates i'll be round the back with a kronenbourg
they'll know where we'll be yeah

You can find me in the pub with a pint of bud
look love i got a fiver if you let me see your jugs
im into playing darts i aint into growing shrubs
so come fill up my mug before my bag gets stuck

You can find me in the pub with a pint of bud
look love ive got a fiver if you let me see your jugs
im into playing darts i aint into growing shrubs
so come fill up my mug before my *** gets stubbed.

don't act like you dont know where iv'e been either mum
in the pub all the time mum
it's about to pop off mum
burn unit

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif Oh, those British...

BigganD
07-30-2005, 12:20 PM
P-38 Late
151/20

Viikate_
07-30-2005, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by jarink:
My (serious) guess is it will contain new airplanes, maybe a few ground objects and not much else.

Mossie (flyable and AI versions)
Tempest (flyable)
Do-335 ?
Another Spit variant with different boost
Ju-88 (flyable)


And maybe a flyable D.XXI http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
http://sinuhe.jypoly.fi/~71955/pics/pit/

Da_Godfatha
07-30-2005, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by Fox_3:
Some beta testers who can do their job would be nice.

At the risk of Ivan or Euro_Snoopy banning me (BTW, I could give a Rats A$$ if they did), this statement has alot of truth in it.

Does the Spitfire Mk Vc ring a bell? If the Beta-tester that tested that plane was doing his job, the view from the cockpit would not $uck so much. It seems to me that some(not all) of the tester jump into their favorite plane, and then when everything is the way they THINK it should be, OM gets the go ahead. What about the glass-jaws on the American planes now? The FW spinning like a top on take off? The list goes on and on.

Back to the original question, What do I expect from the next patch? Not much really, if OM goes back to the old FM, most of the "wannabe" heroes here will freak out.

I bought this game,(full priced and with PF pre-ordered, not bargain bin as they are now) because I like flight sims. I play this game because, hold on tight wannabes, it was FUN. Do any of you know what FUN is? (gaming I mean).

4.01 for me has taken alot of the fun out of it. I really thought for a moment the FM was a old CF$3 FM!

I am hoping OM will bring the fun back into the game with the next patch. But I really doubt it. It is a shame tho, this game (read= not simulation)used to rock. Just my opinion.

JG53Frankyboy
07-30-2005, 05:06 PM
you should know that not every Betatester report is forcing the developers to change something on the game !

sometimes they are very surprised about what was went to release version !

ImpStarDuece
07-30-2005, 05:27 PM
It will be an interactive 'forum only' patch.

While we wont get any new aircraft, Oleg will install the new keystroke monitoring program that 1C has been developing for the NSU.

This monitors all your typing, cross-referencing it with your website usage. When an Il2 forum is encountered the program activates. It connects electrodes to the underside of your keys on your keyboard. When particular phrases** are typed a massive and sudden shock is passed through the keys and into you. Oleg believes that this will cut about 50% of the whining and allso increase games sales to the small but affluent sado-machoist market.


**Phrases include;

190 bar
.50 cal
uber
porked
proof
bacon sandwich
noob
minengeschloss
beta
anti-gravity
spitfire
e-bleed
and
the
it
RoX0rz
lol!11!1!!
beta tester
leak
small furry hamsters

horseback
07-30-2005, 06:02 PM
This is a wish list: any resemblance to what comes in the expected patch is strictly coincidental/miraculous.

The DMs of US planes should get a reality check-particularly the radial engined types. I'm not aware of any US made fighter being more fragile than its Axis or Soviet counterparts; much the opposite. I'd settle for the R-2800 being made as tough as the BMW 801 is now, and the tendency of any wing hit taking out the aileron controls being toned down.

If the onset of compression is going to be modelled, let's see it modelled for all types, if not accurately then at least in accurate proportion; if reliable data doesn't exist for all types, don't model it at all.

Dive performance was an extremely important part of WWII fighter strategy and tactics on all fronts. A Zero has no business keeping up with a Wildcat (or anything else) in a dive of more than 1000m. German pilots were emphatic about their aircrafts' ability to run away from British and Soviet fighters in a dive (and conversely, their ability to easily catch them in one), just as they (eventually) recognized the Jug and Mustang being superior in this regard. This hierarchy should be reflected in the flight models in some reasonable degree.

Certain aircraft were univerally described as "stable gunnery platforms". That means that they were unlikely to bounce around like a teenage girl at rock concert every time you pulled the trigger. Oddly enough, this quality was almost directly proportional to aircraft wieght...so why is it that the heaviest fighters jerk around as though they were afflicted with epilepsy when you fire their guns-particularly when these same guns are derided as 'lightweight' in every other aspect?

Fix the friggin' AI! There's been a reversion to the UFO AI wingmen with the 4.01 patch, and it simply cannot be overstated how much this sucks for the off-line campaigner. The AI should never be capable of greater performance than the player's same type aircraft (if he's flying it right, and after 3+ years of practice, I believe I do). While the AI gunners appear to have toned down their laser like marksmanship somewhat, the apparent prioritizing of the player's aircraft for targeting is still a royal pain in the fundament. Given the size of my fundament, I should need anaesthesia...

The AI rookie pilot can't hit the broad side of a barn if he has to pull the slightest bit of lead, but the SOB sitting in the back seat can still hit you or your engine with his first burst with distressing regularity. At the same time, bullets penetrating his position often seem to have the effect of spitballs. As a last resort, can we please be given a means for reducing the AI gunner's marksmanship to something approaching historical levels?

cheers

horseback

PS- if I seem cranky, it may be because I had to spend half the day with my ex wife or risk losing a significant amount of valuable personal property that had been put in storage when we split up (yard sale hell). Oddly enough, no sign of my gold and silver rings, cufflinks, tieclips and pins was found...On the plus side my grandmother's gold coffee service was unearthed, and is now safe for my sons.

Grey_Mouser67
07-30-2005, 09:55 PM
For everlasting entertainment's sake, lets adjust the fm's, Dm's and weapons strengths so that aircraft online, such as in warclouds, acheive roughly historical kill to death ratio's.

That will be fun to watch http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

ElAurens
07-30-2005, 10:30 PM
What I would like to see are:

More IJAAF aircraft of all types as flyable.

Properly modeled performance for Ki 61. (It is too slow).

H8K "Emily" flying boat flyable.

A P51B without the fuselage fuel tank.

Any P51 model that can achieve it's real world top speed in the game. The B should be able to exceed 440 mph at it's critical altitude, it does not even come close.

Hristo and Issy/Kurfurst are found to be the same person posting under multiple aliases and are forever banned.



What we will get:

Flyable CW 21 (maybe)

Flyable Ju88 (maybe)

A new map (maybe)

More of the Hristo and Issy/Kurfurst dog and pony show. (definitely)

I have no expectations really...

GerritJ9
07-31-2005, 01:11 AM
What I expect in the next patch: flyable CW21B.
What I hope for in the next patch: top speeds for all three Brewster variants to be corrected- they are all at least 20 km/h too slow. I have sent documentation to Oleg so hopefully we will see the Buff's real performance. Keeping my fingers crossed!