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Beirut
11-08-2004, 04:15 AM
Which plane in which configuration has the most firepower?

I'm not really sure if it's an objective or subjective thing.

Lots of planes have three or four 20mm. Sometimes with machineguns. Some, like the IL2s have twin 23mm (great!) or twin 37mm. The BF-110 can mix pair of 20mm and 30mm. Very nice.

Also, the amount of ammo counts somewhat. The Stuka with 37mm guns is fine, but 12 rounds just don't do it for me.

Any opinions?

Tully__
11-08-2004, 04:36 AM
Me-262A-1a: 4x Mk108 30mm cannon.

Beaufighter: 4x 20mm, 4x .50

hughlb2
11-08-2004, 04:53 AM
The Gotha's Mk103 rail guns are good problem solvers.

sapre
11-08-2004, 05:22 AM
FW190A8 with 20mm pod...
6 20mm and 2 13mm!

NegativeGee
11-08-2004, 05:36 AM
I like Tully's choices..... the 262 for the chemical power and the Beau for the kinetic energy.

Without going into really big calibre guns (over 30mm) I'd say the Bf-110 G2 with 2x MK-108 and 4x MG-151/20 isn't bad either.

SlickStick
11-08-2004, 06:35 AM
I also would not rule out the Ki-84-1c...those 30mms are, IMO, the strongest 30mms in the game. Devastating explosive impact, crippling power and quite accurate.

ME262 definitely up there and I also like the FW-190-A9 with MK108 wing cannons.

clint-ruin
11-08-2004, 06:36 AM
Su-8.

The first prototype had four 37-mm 11P-37 (later NS-37) automatic cannon, each loaded with 50-round clips by the air gunner. Each gun could fire 735-gram shells at about 250 shots/min with a muzzle velocity of 900 meters/sec. They would penetrate 40-mm armor at any angle up to 45 degrees. In the second prototype, these weapons were supplanted by a quartet of 45-mm OKB-16-45 (later NS-45) automatic antitank guns, essentially the same weapon with a larger bore and shorter barrel. These formidable weapons fired 1065-gram shells at the same rate with a muzzle velocity of 850 meters/sec, and could guarantee penetration of 58-mm armor. These, too, were clip-fed in the prototype. But the OKB-16 design team already had a fully automatic feed system in test. On their own, these guns fired approximately 1 ton/min, the heaviest weight of fire achieved by any wartime aircraft. For sighting and for attacks on soft targets, eight 7.62-mm ShKAS machine guns were mounted in the wings immediately outboard of the propellers, each gun being capable of rates of fire between 1800 and 2700 rounds/min. In addition, four 150-kg FAB150 general-purpose bombs could be carried in bays between the engines and the wing guns.

http://worldatwar.net/chandelle/v3/v3n2/su-8.html

Oh wait .. we don't have one of those :<

WOLFMondo
11-08-2004, 06:38 AM
The 262 with the added flag pole, thats powerful.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Its gotta be the 190 A8 and A9 but I prefer the 2 108's than the 4 20's. The P38L with the gun pods also has allot of firepower, as has the P39N1 with 6 .50's and 1 37mm with the extra ammo loadout but neither really compare to the LW planes for firepower.

The Tempest V and Mosquito will both have vicious firepower too.

TgD Thunderbolt56
11-08-2004, 06:42 AM
110 G2 gets my vote in certain load-outs...not to mention it has a rear gunner that can be a real stinger.

clint-ruin
11-08-2004, 06:45 AM
The P-39N1 has 2x browning .50 cal [sync] and 4x .30 [not .303 - or shouldn't be] MGs in the wings, along with the 37mm. Mind you with the current .30/303 API effects they're practically as effective as the .50 cal anyhow :>

La-9 with 4x N23 on the nose would be a contender if we had it too.

Mysticpuma2003
11-08-2004, 07:11 AM
P-47 for me every time... 8 guns, 6 rockets, 2x500lb bombs and 1x1000lb bomb, all on same loadout...awesome.

Beirut
11-08-2004, 07:42 AM
That SU-8 sounds like my kind o' bird!

Can't wait for a Mosquito!!! I want the variant with the 5lb-er cannon under the fuselage.

Love the tear shipping apart with that little lovely. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

clint-ruin
11-08-2004, 10:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Beirut:
That SU-8 sounds like my kind o' bird! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Su-8. When you absolutely, positively got to kill every mother****er in the eastern front...Accept no substitutes.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Can't wait for a Mosquito!!! I want the variant with the 5lb-er cannon under the fuselage.

Love the tear shipping apart with that little lovely. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There were a lot of planes fitted with single large cannons - B-25 with the 75mm cannon would also be a nice one to have, as would the Hurri with 2x40mm.

The heaviest raw weight of fire stuff got fitted to twins though - there are some amazing Ju88 and Tu2 versions with several dozen rifle cal guns pointing out of pods or the central bay. Without shootable troops to use them on it would be kind of a waste in PF though.

The other neat thing would be the monsterous Pe-8 napalm/fuel air bombers. Some of these got sent out over retreating troops at low level napalming multiple football field sized portions of the ground at a time. Oleg said that if ever this was implemented there would need to be a real nuke added to even things up for the other side :>

TgD Thunderbolt56
11-08-2004, 10:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by clint-ruin:


The other neat thing would be the monsterous Pe-8 napalm/fuel air bombers. Some of these got sent out over retreating troops at low level napalming multiple football field sized portions of the ground at a time. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

VF-29_Sandman
11-08-2004, 10:33 AM
p-38. lots of 50 cal ammo, no convergance to worry about. was designed to put 4x50 cal + 1 20mm cannon rounds in a 30" circle. devastating firepower for its time. + add up to 2x2000kg bombs and 10 hvars for the L, up to 12 bazooka's for the J.

Simjock
11-08-2004, 01:59 PM
FW-190 with gun pods. Those nose guns never seem to run out of ammo either.

LStarosta
11-08-2004, 02:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VF-29_Sandman:
p-38. lots of 50 cal ammo, no convergance to worry about. was designed to put 4x50 cal + 1 20mm cannon rounds in a 30" circle. devastating firepower for its time. + add up to 2x2000kg bombs and 10 hvars for the L, up to 12 bazooka's for the J. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There is convergance to worry about. Not to mention the different ballistics of the 20mm Hispano round and the .50 cal used by the M2. Try setting convergance to something really outlandish and then set it to something you're used to shooting at, preferably not farther than 300m and you'll notice a biiiiig difference http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.


My ultimate favorite is either a 109G10/14 or K4. Excellent firepower on an EXCELLENT mount with the MK108. FW190 set to long convergance with its default 20mm cannons is a REAL broom so long as you can aim well.

WTE_Galway
11-08-2004, 03:36 PM
agree with simjock

fw190a8 with mk103 gunpods or dual mg151 pods this give either

2 x mg on cowl, 2x 20 mm cannon in wings and 2 x 30mm cannon in pods

or

2 x mg, and 6 x 20 mm cannon in wing and pods


the mk103 in itself is impressive though undemodelled in Fb see the photo below:

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SgAwAEoXWId3BKw19!arygqA5dMWLcwm4J7gALgcRNNV!o!rv oZ53hcr1hlEz!Kpli9jiiJlgBL0aC4BlwsRg1lbpxUFl5jMDaO hH3ptjsmYqNGpN2Ijvw/aircraftrounds.jpg

Fennec_P
11-08-2004, 11:24 PM
I'm pretty sure the single biggest gun has to be on the Hs-129b/Wa.

Here's hoping it is flyable one day.

HangerQueen
11-08-2004, 11:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sapre:
FW190A8 with 20mm pod...
6 20mm and 2 13mm! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Darn! You got there before me!

WOLFMondo
11-09-2004, 03:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LStarosta:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VF-29_Sandman:
p-38. lots of 50 cal ammo, no convergance to worry about. was designed to put 4x50 cal + 1 20mm cannon rounds in a 30" circle. devastating firepower for its time. + add up to 2x2000kg bombs and 10 hvars for the L, up to 12 bazooka's for the J. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There is convergance to worry about. Not to mention the different ballistics of the 20mm Hispano round and the .50 cal used by the M2. Try setting convergance to something really outlandish and then set it to something you're used to shooting at, preferably not farther than 300m and you'll notice a biiiiig difference http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Most planes have differernt guns/cannon combinations mounted on them but it only really makes a difference with deflection shooting. If your coming in from there 6 and not trying to be a crafty sniper then the P38's weapons work well together combined, only when you jhave the gun pods is convergence a concern imo. I find the P39N1 you can't really use there guns combined as the ballistics are so vastly different.

DarthBane_
11-09-2004, 03:43 AM
Me109Z, 4x mk108 + 1x mk103, unmatched in game.

LStarosta
11-09-2004, 01:43 PM
Okay you guys are bragging about all your gunpods and stuff...

But can you FLY the plane and furthermore, and most importantly, bear those guns to aim in a dogfight? Just a little tidbit to think about when you decide to pull a LOL-über-LMFAO-LOL-r0xx0rz on somebody.

VW-IceFire
11-09-2004, 03:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LStarosta:
Okay you guys are bragging about all your gunpods and stuff...

But can you FLY the plane and furthermore, and most importantly, bear those guns to aim in a dogfight? Just a little tidbit to think about when you decide to pull a LOL-über-LMFAO-LOL-r0xx0rz on somebody. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well thats why generally you want to be the sort that flies these planes and has killer aim because you want your enemy to never know you were there.

I like the FW190, the Tempest V, and some of the other aircraft because of the sheer hitting power. You don't need 3-4 seconds on target...it takes longer for these birds to get there but once you are there...you can potentially wipe your target out without even an evasive manuver.

Thats the idea http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

TX-Bomblast
11-09-2004, 05:26 PM
The IL-2 field mod has some really good hitting power. Flies great, fast, and does wonderful slides when you want it to.

Black 4

WTE_Galway
11-09-2004, 06:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LStarosta:
Okay you guys are bragging about all your gunpods and stuff...

But can you FLY the plane and furthermore, and most importantly, bear those guns to aim in a dogfight? Just a little tidbit to think about when you decide to pull a LOL-über-LMFAO-LOL-r0xx0rz on somebody. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No sane person is going to dogfight with gunponds .. they are obviously only for co-ops taking out bombers

In the 190a8 for example the heaviest you would sensibly go if you expected to meet fighters is the mk103 30mm "in wing" mounts giving 2x20mm and 2x30mm but no pods

WTE_Ibis
11-10-2004, 01:51 AM
My mrs when she loses it.