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BaldieJr
01-24-2005, 07:06 PM
I setup FS2004 again and have picked up the addictive habbit of "add-ons". Oh gee whiz, the number of add-ons are unbelievable.

So far I've bought:

USA Roads
FSGenesis US land class
FSGenesis Appalchain 38m terrain
FSGenesis midwest 38m terrain

The results: Awesome! With just USA Roads installed, the game-world becomes much more familiar. I found the place where my parents home should be... by following the roads! Cool http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Next I installed the FSGenesis stuff and tried again: WOW!!!! I found the HILL where my parents house sets, right off the road, with the proper open field behind thier home AND a building in the exct place where thier home sits! Of course, its mostly luck that a house would be exactly where it should be, but I think this says alot about the quality of the pay-ware add-ons.

Best of all though, the terrain is VERY detailed. Flying a cessna down the Ohio River, between the hills and peaks, is a load of fun. The detailed meshes are very much worth the cost, in my opinion.

Now I'm considering traffic/weather add-ons, and possibly a nice payware plane.

Any suggestions?

adlabs6
01-24-2005, 07:53 PM
Hey Baldie, glad you're enjoying it. You are off on the right track, I've got the FSGenesis entire USA mesh at 76m resolution and love it, even the hill my home sits on is there. Absolutely worth the money.

Next, take a look at a freeware package called "FS Sky World". It's got a load of selectable cloud replacement textures, and some other stuff too. I love the look compared to the default clouds.

I use default traffic myself, mostly civilian traffic around 75% on the slider.

A payware plane... I can only recommend the one I have, the RealAir SF260. I use it all the time, it's got a great bubble canopy for VFR enjoyment, it's speedy too for longer trips, good range, and very nice instrumentation. It's a blast to do aerobatics in too, as it's a fighter/trainer in some countries.

Also, if you have Shoot voice software installed, making an xml file for talking to ATC is easy, and makes the ATC nearly hands free.

Jagdgeschwader2
01-24-2005, 08:29 PM
For aircraft these are my faves and worth every penny!

The best turboprop I have ever flown and ever seen and it's free! Yes I said free! YS-11.
This is an old turbo prop and there are no
prop condition levers. The pitch is controlled
by weights in the prop. You must select either
ground or flight for the prop. Never put the
prop into the ground setting while in flight.
If you firewall the throttle levers the engines
will soon let go. If you over rev the engines
they will auto-feather. Be sure to read the flight manual. You can find it in the YS-11
folder after you install it. When I was a kid
I remember watching the one Airborne Express
flew out of Dallas Love Field.

Get it here:
http://www.alliedfsgroup.com/?RhZbkYiCnAlN5waqbekYjChpg2y2UpmyoZj9hpg32v
Download the base pack. You can add other
skins to it although you will need to modify
the older ones with the new textures.
Here I am on a cargo run:
http://home.earthlink.net/~jagdgeschwader26/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/122.jpg

http://home.earthlink.net/~jagdgeschwader26/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/ys-11.jpg

From Aeroworx the Super King Air B200. This one
is really nice!
http://www.aeroworx.com/
Here is mine.
http://home.earthlink.net/~jagdgeschwader26/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/144.jpg

http://home.earthlink.net/~jagdgeschwader26/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/143.jpg

From RealAir Simulations
http://www.realairsimulations.com/
These are my favorites.
Super Decathlon
SF 260
Spitfire XIV
Here is my Decathlon:
http://home.earthlink.net/~jagdgeschwader26/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/90.jpg

From Flight One the Cesna 310L
http://www.flight1.com/products.asp?product=c310v1

http://home.earthlink.net/~jagdgeschwader26/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/jagdgeschwader2s.jpg

kiddknapp59
01-24-2005, 08:46 PM
I have everything Eaglesoft makes, although I have never flown most of them. And I have everything Captain Sim has made. Once again I don€t fly most of them with the exception of the F104, the Yak, and the MiG-21. I get them all gratis so I don€t really feel too guilty about not flying them. Aeroworx was kind enough to send me their B200, and surprise, I have never flown it. I did paint it however, which is why they sent me a copy. Hopefully Aeroworx will continue to send me their new releases because they have a Texan in the works. Now that I will fly.
I have several planes by FSD including the Superstar and the Porter, both very cool. A friend bought those for me and I do fly them both. I actually bought their Seneca a long time ago, before I started getting planes for free. Now I rarely spend money on them unless it is something I really want.
Otherwise I try and keep my FS9 installation fairly clean, although you know how long that lasts. You start adding meshes and scenery and planes and the next thing you know it has taken over your whole hard drive.

Xnomad
01-24-2005, 09:04 PM
My biggest gripe with this game I can sum up with one word, 'Trim'.
It takes me so long to get trimmed that I don't have time to concentrate on much else, then I find it hard to manouver and stay on course and altitude. In fact I don't think I've ever managed to trim the elevator exactly. And I have to turn my FFB off as I find it even harder with this as the stick stays trimmed in a position and falls over if you let go.

Is flying this difficult in RL? Whenever I fly the lessons the instructor tells me I'm doing it wrong eg. the first solo flight I have enough trouble to keep the plane straight whilst climbing at 80 Kts and then before I can even level out and trim for level flight he asks me to turn to 270 degress and of course I start to either lose or gain altitude and then he cancels the solo flight. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

adlabs6
01-24-2005, 09:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Xnomad:
My biggest gripe with this game I can sum up with one word, 'Trim'.
It takes me so long to get trimmed that I don't have time to concentrate on much else, then I find it hard to manouver and stay on course and altitude. In fact I don't think I've ever managed to trim the elevator exactly. And I have to turn my FFB off as I find it even harder with this as the stick stays trimmed in a position and falls over if you let go.

Is flying this difficult in RL? Whenever I fly the lessons the instructor tells me I'm doing it wrong eg. the first solo flight I have enough trouble to keep the plane straight whilst climbing at 80 Kts and then before I can even level out and trim for level flight he asks me to turn to 270 degress and of course I start to either lose or gain altitude and then he cancels the solo flight. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've completed most of those GA lesson flights successfully, so it certainly can be done.

Trimming, I have always been under the impression that you can really *never* trim a real plane to fly hands off for long periods. You'll always have to correct it as you go. I can get it close, so elevation or lateral drift is minimal, and correct my course every 2 minutes or so, in between verifying my instruments and maps for position.

BTW, a force feedback stick... perhaps the feedback motion is interfering with the stick position and sending inputs that throw off your trimming efforts? Might be worth testing another stick to see. Trimming up for me takes about 10 seconds to get in the ballpark, then its only minor adjustments taking no more than 2 seconds.

Owlsphone
01-24-2005, 09:38 PM
I second what Adlabs said.

FS Sky World is probably the single addon that will change FS2004 the most...and its free!

Here's a sample:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/Owlsphone/toKPNEatsunset.jpg

There's a payware Spitfire that's easily one of the best add-on aircraft ever.

For general aviation purposes, you cant beat the Carenado Cherokee 180.
http://www.carenado.com/html/incomings.php3

Just look at the detail. Simply amazing.

BaldieJr
01-24-2005, 09:39 PM
The RealAir Spit looks incredible. Its got good looks, a great VC, and is fast enough to do cross-country stuff.

At the same time, shockwave productions P51 is simply stunning.

Also is the Yak from captainsim.

So many choices!

I need to make up my mind. I want to do some mountain hopping tonight when I get off work, and I don't want to do it in the default planes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

RealSim has that view-thingy that acts like FB's head-shake. I may go with the spit because of this feature.

Owlsphone
01-24-2005, 09:49 PM
That Carenado Beechcraft Mentor t-34 looks tempting too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

How cool would it be in a 2 person coop and teach them how to fly?!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/Owlsphone/nueva4.jpg

Jagdgeschwader2
01-24-2005, 09:59 PM
That would be a great choice Baldie you won't
be disapointed. It comes with the real pilots
manual notes too and also the RealAir
control panel. You open this panel before starting FS2004 and you can select to display
glass reflections,ainimated raindrop textures,
engine failures,cockpit layout and the real view (headshake) effect. It also has scenery
for RAF West Malling including AI Spitfires.
A nice package indeed. Don't miss out on that
free YS-11 though. I fly this more than any of the others.

http://home.earthlink.net/~jagdgeschwader26/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/jagdgeschwader2s.jpg

pmckelvy
01-24-2005, 10:11 PM
I'm still somewhat of a newbie pilot but I found that flying with the CH flight yoke to be a great experiance. With the stick it seemed almost like a chore to try to fly right. With the yoke I actually have extra time to enjoy everything around me. Especially not being a real life pilot the fact that I can actually fly what I think would be a comfortable ride( as opposed to my virtual passengers having white knuckles) that makes it worth the money if you like FS2004.

---end soapbox transmission----

lol

adlabs6
01-24-2005, 10:50 PM
Baldie, you can get those FS SkyWorld at this link:
http://fsw.simflight.com/

Also I use the generic night lights avaliable on that page. They add a nice effect to the colors of the lights around towns.

adlabs6
01-24-2005, 11:20 PM
Oh, and some pics of the night lights. Those are the SkyWorld clouds, and FSGenesis 76m mesh, and the RealAir SF260 as well.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/adlabs6/fsw1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/adlabs6/fsw3.jpg

BaldieJr
01-25-2005, 12:36 AM
I am mere minutes from flying the realair spitfire http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Platypus_1.JaVA
01-25-2005, 01:08 AM
I stoped with the whole FS and CFS series when I figured out there is just too much you can buy for it. There are literly heaps of expensive add-ons wich are all "Must have" of course. I still fly FS2004 occasionally, when I get tired of Il-2 FB AEP PF but, I no longer wish to be part of its community. It is just the commercial aspect of this hobby and the glorification of the airliner pilot profession that I am sick off. For instance, when you buy an average MSFS add-on, it is sure to be fully compatible with the latest version of the sim. I know some of the shopkeepers that sell tese add-ons do tend to place stickers on the box wich says "FS200X compatible" wich is just a sign for: "Hey, a new version of FS has come out and we didn't test it but, this add-on is probably compatible". Also, alot of add-ons you buy gives you one aircraft of doubtfull quality, with a few liveries and if you are lucky, a small spot of scenery.

At my favorite aviation hobby shop, there are several flightsim rigs set up with regular demonstrations going on. There are always some gentlemen (mostly elderly ones, no offence) who look like they have been watching the demonstration for hours. This always amazes me when I see the aircraft (yet another generic airbus or boeing) are in the middle of a flight between London and, let's say, Peking. Is it really that intresting to see the autopilot fly a complete flat and straight line?

Furthermore, I don't remember anyone whining about any FS product in the communities the way we see whining about maddox products on these forums. Maybe one doesn't like to admit to himself that when he has bought (CFS3 for instance) that he threw his money away.

All in all, I can only conlude that the average FS simmer has an above average salary (nothing wrong with that) and that he doesn't like to admit his faults because he cannot bear that other people think that he can make mistakes.

BaldieJr
01-25-2005, 01:51 AM
oooooookay then.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

In any event, I toyed with the extra 300 for awhile: fun plane. Even more fun when you crank the realism settings up (duh). Low-level flight is fun and fast-paced when you've got the trees and such turned up.

FB messes us up. I keep having to adjust the camera view a bit to the right. I'm just accustomed to it. I also have to play with zoom/camera position in order to get the VC to feel at home. More Oleg-bias I guess.

Yeah, ok. I've bored you enough. The spitfire is what you are wondering about, right?

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Lets just say that I have a new respect for that machine. Anyone who knows me knows this is a statement of unbelievable weight http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

For general aviation, the scream of the engine gets tiresome, but flying the thing is awesome. It gets you where you want to go without wasting time. Handling is precise. It doesn't flop-roll when you throw the stick around (yes, that innuendo).

The head-shake thing is exactly what FS needs.

I downloaded FS Sky World, but haven't installed it yet. I'll tinker with it tomorrow http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I think my grand total is about $100 (not including FS2004 itself). Thats about what I wanted to spend for a new toy.

I'd say the "enjoyment level" is going to be great. I've had a lot of fun spotting areas of interest in my home-town, and can't wait to venture out further. I'm also looking forward to AI and ATC interaction. Once the radio turns on, the sim-world just comes alive.

Overall, I'm happy with my investments http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Oh yeah, where are screenshots stored? I can't find em. I used printscreen... I hope thats the right button.

Jagdgeschwader2
01-25-2005, 04:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
Oh yeah, where are screenshots stored? I can't find em. I used printscreen... I hope thats the right button. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unfortunately you have to either paste as a new
image into paint each screen print you make or
use a program like HyperSnap. It doesn't work
like IL-2 or LOMAC. I had a really nice flight
from Dallas Love Field to Houston Ellington Field last night in my Super King Air B200
using real world weather. I had mostly clear skies until I got 10 miles from Houston then I ran into broken clouds with a fairly low
ceiling. I thought I would have to go ILS into
Ellington but it cleared up after I got away
from the downtown area. I had to go around twice because of the stupid AI not clearing
the taxi way fast enough. It was a great
flight though. FS2004 is really nice for
night time flying.

http://home.earthlink.net/~jagdgeschwader26/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/jagdgeschwader2s.jpg

AWL_Spinner
01-25-2005, 05:13 AM
You could easily spend your whole FS2004 time allocation downloading and organising add-ons rather than flying. Another reason I like the IL2 series closed!

When you see how much you can get for free with FB/PF, or indeed how much is in the paid for packages (like AEP), I just can't get my head around most FS payware being good value (some scenery packages excepted). I've never paid for a single FS2004 add-on, prefering instead to get the free stuff off avsim and the other great freeware sites. There's some wonderful stuff out there.

That said, it's a wonderfully involving product if you have the time. There's little better than following an approach plate to bring you to a busy landing in bad weather, somewhere you know from real life. It's invaluable for keeping instrument skills fresh if, like me, you can't afford real GA flying all year round.

WWSensei
01-25-2005, 07:02 AM
Platy,

I find the juxtaposition of this quote:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>All in all, I can only conlude that the average FS simmer has an above average salary (nothing wrong with that) and that he doesn't like to admit his faults because he cannot bear that other people think that he can make mistakes. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

and your following signature:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge,
ye shall be judged: and with what
measure ye mete, it shall be measured
to you again. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

amazing in its incongruity.

On the original poster's comments:

RealAir makes really models. I also have a T37 Tweet built by several Tweet instructors and having a number of hours in that little bird myself I can say they did a primo job.

I can also recommend ProjectAI which is a freeware add-on for generating varying amounts of AI traffic. It will even download real airline schedules. I've also downloaded some free F-15s and F-16s and got AI scripts from the community that generates real military air traffic from the local military base.

Nothing like cruising along in a 172 and looking up to see a 4 ship of Vipers entering the pattern. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

flyingscampi
01-25-2005, 07:48 AM
I've just ordered 2004, british airports se, the realair spit and all the vfr terrain & scenery stuff for the UK.

http://www.horizonsimulation.com/Landing/index.html
http://www.realairsimulations.com/

Full review to follow...

joeap
01-25-2005, 08:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Platypus_1.JaVA:
I stoped with the whole FS and CFS series when I figured out there is just too much you can buy for it. There are literly heaps of expensive add-ons wich are all "Must have" of course. I still fly FS2004 occasionally, when I get tired of Il-2 FB AEP PF but, I no longer wish to be part of its community. It is just the commercial aspect of this hobby and the glorification of the airliner pilot profession that I am sick off. For instance, when you buy an average MSFS add-on, it is sure to be fully compatible with the latest version of the sim. I know some of the shopkeepers that sell tese add-ons do tend to place stickers on the box wich says "FS200X compatible" wich is just a sign for: "Hey, a new version of FS has come out and we didn't test it but, this add-on is probably compatible". Also, alot of add-ons you buy gives you one aircraft of doubtfull quality, with a few liveries and if you are lucky, a small spot of scenery.

At my favorite aviation hobby shop, there are several flightsim rigs set up with regular demonstrations going on. There are always some gentlemen (mostly elderly ones, no offence) who look like they have been watching the demonstration for hours. This always amazes me when I see the aircraft (yet another generic airbus or boeing) are in the middle of a flight between London and, let's say, Peking. Is it really that intresting to see the autopilot fly a complete flat and straight line?

Furthermore, I don't remember anyone whining about any FS product in the communities the way we see whining about maddox products on these forums. Maybe one doesn't like to admit to himself that when he has bought (CFS3 for instance) that he threw his money away.

All in all, I can only conlude that the average FS simmer has an above average salary (nothing wrong with that) and that he doesn't like to admit his faults because he cannot bear that other people think that he can make mistakes. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You make some good points, I hardly fly civ sim anymore, but CFS3 can not be compared with FS (maybe FS2000, a little). First of all, there are plent of whines about civ FS addons and FS itself, you have not looked hard enough. Trust me. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Airliners, got boring for me, at least long haul, though some of the addon airports are neat. Some payware is of outstanding quality...like Dreamfleet's stuff. I had their 737 and you really had to spend days learning how to program and set up stuff...with an ATC addon like Radar Contact you really had to follow real world procedures more realstic than the default ATC. Plus some very good GA addons as others have noted. But as they say different strokes...I agree it is hard to seperate the wheat from the chaff and I can't be bothered to as nearly all is payware these days and only 10% are worth it IMHO.

adlabs6
01-25-2005, 09:28 AM
For screenshots I use Fraps, and I set it so I can toggle off the fps display since I don't need it anyway. Be sure to mind your Fraps folder though... mine was over 500MB before I knew it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

EDIT: Oh and congrats on that Spit, glad to hear about that being a fun product. I think I'd enjoy those engine sounds, and the VC is nice looking. I also was sent a link to this P-51 payware model, looks amazing.
http://www.shockwaveproductions.com/store/p51/

MEGILE
01-25-2005, 09:34 AM
FS2004 has a huge and diverse community, thats what makes it great I think... ontop of the bloody impressive addons.

For full real flying, head over to eskyworld.com, and I mean full real.
Airtraffic control, real procedures, flight plans, cross winds, and hundreds of pilots flying with you.
You even get aircash for flying, which can be spent on gates. There are huge virtual airlines you can join.
This is the best part of FS2004.
They have several ATCs on nightly all across the world doing specific areas, like London, Frankfurt, New York, Los Angeles and lots more.

When you connect to the server, and comms, get a radio check.

Then load a flight plan into your FMC, and paste it into the chat box. In a few mins the human ATC will contact you about grround clearence, and then take off clearence.
You have to follow your flight plan, be it VFR, or IFR, and the ATCs are with you all through the flight.
The ATC will contact you in the flight about frequency changes, and then will finaly bring you into landing.

Amazing stuff, and realistic.


There was an addon being developed for having two clients in one plane, like in LOMAC... but I lost the website. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

adlabs6
01-25-2005, 09:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Megile:
FS2004 has a huge and diverse community, thats what makes it great I think... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Indeed, I had just returned to add this to my previous post. When there is a problem or whine with FB, it's something that we all live with. An annoyance or issue seems somehow amplified for me with IL2/FB because we are all basically doing the exact same thing in the exact same map with this game. It's like a really big community, in a very small box and you bump elbows alot.

FS2004 doesn't have that effect for me. I've seen plenty of folks whine away about this and that in FS, but honestly in 99.9% of those cases I've never even downloaded or owned the plane they complain about, and may never even land at the part of the world they are in. The world in FS is just so darn big, and the open architecture and huge community makes it even more varied... I've yet to see another player who's regular "routine" in FS2004 is really very close to my own experience.

Those things are quite fun for me in FS, how it'll let me get into my own pace, my own habits, my own way of thinking, traveling, and seeing the world. And FS does very little to get in the way of that. It's kind of like a reality inside a simulation... sorta.

unseen84
01-25-2005, 10:18 AM
I agree with that 100%, adlabs. I've seen plenty of whines about FS, but few of them have had much to do with how I play it.

I've been playing FS9 since it came out, though I've yet to actually get any payware addons for it, as I've just stuck to freeware. It really killed me over the summer when my comp crashed and I had to start over again from scratch with fs, but I'm almost back to where I was before. The nearly endless possibilities of FS are what make it so great for me.

MEGILE
01-25-2005, 10:32 AM
I don't like to buy too many payware addons, simply because I can't afford to get them all.
But on ocaision I do...

I can highly recommend phoenix-software Airbus Pro series.
The plane has a realistic FMC built in, with all the SIDs and Stars (departure and arrival plates) loaded.
I also bought the Tornado addon... and that thing kicks ***.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Bearcat99
01-25-2005, 11:15 AM
I look at the box evertime I pass it..... then i say... Naaaaahhh.........

Weather_Man
01-25-2005, 11:17 AM
I've just trimmed out about a third of my FS9 folder, down to 15GB. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'm definately a scenery addict. I've got all of N. America, Europe and S.E Asia meshed up. There is no substitute for good mesh. The FSGenesis is the best I've seen--especially the 38m and 9.6m stuff.

I hope FS2006 does a better with the default stuff, like rivers and roads following the sides of mountains instead of the valley. I'm looking forward to the new MSFS this summer/fall. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BaldieJr
01-25-2005, 12:41 PM
Take a look at USA Roads Weather_Man. The default looks a bit goofey, but once you tweak the settings a bit, it REALLY adds to the sim, especially when tooling around the appalchians (provided you have the higher-res mesh for that area).

I always thought FS was easy to fly, especially on take-offs/landings. Then I installed this ****ed spitfire... oh how things have changed.

After achieving arial superiority over Ft. Knox, the UK's attempts at taking over Godman Field were thwarted by pilot errors. No survivors.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Platypus_1.JaVA
01-25-2005, 02:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WWSensei:
Platy,

I find the juxtaposition of this quote:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>All in all, I can only conlude that the average FS simmer has an above average salary (nothing wrong with that) and that he doesn't like to admit his faults because he cannot bear that other people think that he can make mistakes. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

and your following signature:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge,
ye shall be judged: and with what
measure ye mete, it shall be measured
to you again. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

amazing in its incongruity.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ahh, quite a sharp observation. However, I gave my opinion. I didn't meant to imply any of my opinions on other people.

I just don't see any glory or anyting intresting in doing stuff on your average PC with your 15"screen that thousands of real-life pilots do every day. Is there any simulator that involves drinving to work through every day traffic? Where you must obey all traffic rules, signs and lights? This sounds the same to me.

Weather_Man
01-25-2005, 02:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
Take a look at USA Roads Weather_Man. The default looks a bit goofey, but once you tweak the settings a bit, it REALLY adds to the sim, especially when tooling around the appalchians (provided you have the higher-res mesh for that area). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, that looks nice. I would love to get some payware addons, but I'm in no position to do so. I'm lucky to be getting the free stuff. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BTW, have you guys seen the payware Alps photoreal mesh? It's stunningly realistic. Can't remember where to get it though. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

This MegaScenery (http://www.megascenery.com/home.htm) looks awesome too.

BaldieJr
01-25-2005, 02:52 PM
Around here, disinterest justifies contempt.

ParaB
01-25-2005, 05:01 PM
FS2004?

Love it!

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://people.freenet.de/parabellum/he111.jpg

http://people.freenet.de/parabellum/schweiz3.jpg

http://people.freenet.de/parabellum/swiss4s.jpg

The planes are all top-quality freeware addons, the scenery is the Switzerland Professional payware addon.

adlabs6
01-25-2005, 05:37 PM
Man that Switzerland mesh and texture set is sweet. That kind of quality is what I am expecting from the maps in BoB, and at least running as smoothly as FS2004 can do it today.

Just beautiful.

And that Megascenery is nice too. I've been considering one of the California packages over the last few months. I may try the demo out.

BaldieJr
01-25-2005, 09:22 PM
Wow! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Could you FS old-timers help a guy out? I've been trying to find good freeware warbirds but haven't had much luck. There are soooo many out there, but the tiny preview shots always look horrible, so i'm hesitant to download.

adlabs6
01-25-2005, 09:43 PM
A nice P-38 that I've been flying, filename p38tdl21.zip is great. I got this one at FlightSim.com library, just search the filename there.

I've also got a T-28c that's fun to fly. (t-28C.zip)
http://www.simviation.com/fs2004vintage15.htm

For modern planes, try the F14 (f14bfs9a.zip)
http://www.simviation.com/fs2004military16.htm

And F16 (usviper.zip)
http://www.simviation.com/fs2004military2.htm

I'm on dialup, yet I've downloaded more freeware planes than I can remember. I just drop them in the main aircraft folder (I do NOT install loads of gauges or effects until I'm sure I'll keep the plane installed). A quick test flight will tell you if you'll like the plane. If not, just delete the folder, I've deleted alot of them.

BaldieJr
01-26-2005, 10:56 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.acphosting.com/FS9-Climbout.jpg

http://www.acphosting.com/FS9-Ohio.jpg

Maj_Death
01-26-2005, 12:56 PM
I recently got FS2004 out of boredom with the IL2 series. I don't regret it. There are hoards of free addons for it and while there are pay ones too, I don't see a need to buy what I can legally get for free. I hate the whole virtual airline thing, that is boring to me. But I do like flying bush planes in and out of tiny grass airfields and open fields. My favorite addon plane is the Maule M7, and it is totally free at www.flightsim.com (http://www.flightsim.com)

The plane is far more detailed than any of the stock planes and most other addon planes, it has a very convincing flight model and the plane is downright fun to fly. It is sort of like a modernized Piper Cub with an extra big engine. The download even includes a float plane version of it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif.

Bearcat99
01-27-2005, 05:50 AM
Bump4Baldie

KarayaEine
01-27-2005, 07:17 AM
Baldie,

You might want to try FlyTampa's stuff for airport upgrades. I bought FlyTampa's KSFO and it is amazing. Very highly detailed.

I also got USA Roads and liked that a lot as well.

But I have to admit I'm a plane add-on download junkie. I am constantly scouring AVSIM, Surclaro, Simviation and other sites downloading new freeware planes. I probably have over 300 flyable planes now. Some are good, some not so good. There are a few jewels to be found as well. Some of iFDG's MD-11's and DC-10's are excellent. SGA's MD-80 series planes are also some of the best. But the best freeware ones have to be Eric Cantu's 737 & 727 planes. there are also dozens of liveries to choose from.

If you want to improve your traffic there's a good pay add-on called Ultimate Traffic. If you want a free one then ProjectAI is the one to get.

As for the whining about FS you'll see if you frequent any of the discussion boards for FS9 that they whine just like they guys in here do. The big difference with FS sims and the ones from 1C is the developer's support. Oleg is more directly involved with the community and provided continuous support. MS philosophy is to release the product and the some of the developing code then leave everything to 3rd party support. MS has only released 1 patch to FS9 and even then it didn't do much and a lot of us opted not to install it because it could cause your system to go buggy.

I feel FS9 has it's place just as IL-2/PF does. If I feel like a short hop from one city to another and experience real weather, air traffic control, navigation with simulated navaids, GPS, and other real world aviation related themes I fire up FS9. When I want to blow USAAF and Soviet planes out of the sky then I fire up IL-2 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Johann

DRB_Hookech0
01-27-2005, 08:44 AM
Well I fly a lot of FS9 (aka MSFS2004) because I have always wanted to fly. I just cant afford the cost of flight lessons at this time although I have had 3, I'm going hve to start over again due to time between lessons.

Anyway, My FS9 has these additions:
Wings of Power: This is a insanely cool add-on that gives you some stunning aircraft. I have yet to fly the German "What If" jets but the B-29 and B-17s are well worth the money. The VC is stunning and they all fly per the numbers given in the flight manuals for power settings etc...

Included are:
B-17F/G
B24 D/J
B-29A
Lancaster BIII
PB4Y-2 Privateer (single tail B-24 patrol bomber)
AR234B2 Blitz Bomber
FW TA183 Huckebein
HE162 Salamander

I also have the Wings of Power P-51D/H. This might be the most impressive FS aircraft I have ever flown. I mean it is that cool. The FM, the VC, the externals, the sound (!)....heck you can almost smell the exhuast. It is very, very good.

I have the Real Air Spit Mark 14. It is on par with the WoP P-51D/H in all reguards. I will will give the nod to the P-51 because I'm american and flying the 'Stang has been a dream of mine since childhood. As far as they both go as Add-ons, bot are well worth the money.

I have the Carenado Beechcraft Mentor T34B, and it is a very fine addon. Some of the texture work inthe VC is very cool, like the reflection of the pilot (you) in the canopy as you look right and left. Heck when flying in the VC the aircraft just looks very used and you can almost smell the old sweat of countless student pilots.
(Hmm....maybe we need a smell-a-vision card for the PC?)

I also have the Carenado Bonanza V35, again great aircraft. Really fun to fly.

Also in the inventory is the Flight One 441 Conquest II, Flight 1 is a good producer of Addons, this plane is really good also.

Also in the mix is:
Flight 1's Ultimate Traffic. This adds over 800 real world airlines and cargo hualers to your virtual skys. Trust me, try to get out of a major airport at high traffic times....better be quick, because the birds are racked and stacked above you so getting on and thus off the active is interesting.

USA Roads is almost a must for VFR flights in the US, it adds enough to almost feel real. At night it's plane cool. I fly in the central plaines a lot so I-70 at night is really nice.

Active skys is a weather generator that can load real time weather or load from a huge data base for past weather. Ever tried to get out of the way of a good old Kansas mid May super cell? It's interesting...trust me.

I pretty much fly VFR right now but I am learning how to fly VOR to VOR not using the GPS screen. it is not the easiest thing but at the same time is pretty cool. Right now, I'm planing to take a B-29A from here in Wichita to the Marianas using the ferry routes they actually flew. Man that flight from Mather Field to Hawaii is going to be 10 hours! I'll have to pack of lunch and maybe dinner!

I fly FS9 for fun and I fly the IL2 series to fight. Both do what they do very well, and for the record CFS3 did neither.

BaldieJr
01-27-2005, 10:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Bump4Baldie <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gracias amgio!

(previous rant retracted: my appologies, I was a bit harsh).

GSNei
01-27-2005, 11:17 AM
Ok - ? for you guys - I just started flying FS9 after owning it for quite a while but not realley using it. I saw that WOP B-29 and had to go there. It seemes to me that the control responses are a slower in FS9 than in IL2,CFS, or other combat sims I'm familiar with. Is this more realistic? It's actually harder for me to line up on the runway at SEA/TAC than it is to hit a carrier in PF. All the addons are cool. Some are a lot nicer than others - you know all the Sim-Tech stuff is now free. But some of the nicest stuff can be about 30 bucks a plane! Youch!

DRB_Hookech0
01-27-2005, 11:49 AM
without knowing how the flight engine and the exact game mechanics work, I'd venture to guess it's because enertia is modeled into the flight engine.

It takes a few to get a airframe going in one direction to go in another direction depending on mass/weight. I am flying the WoP B-29A a lot right now. Fully loaded with fuel and crew your in the 110,000 -118,000 lbs range and thats not including any bomb weight (which you can simulate, but not exactly drop). Most B-29s taking off to bomb Tojo were actually over Max. Gross weight for T.O. and in high humidity. Add that to the flakey powerplants and you had a lot of '29s loosing engines on take off and pancaking into the ground. Even at moderate weight, she will use about all of the runway to get in the air. These big planes dont like to be horsed around either. The big Boeings fly very well, but the B24 flys like a dump truck with a bad axle bearing, although if you get her trimmed, she just flys like a dump truck.

JoachimvMayern
01-27-2005, 02:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jagdgeschwader2:
For aircraft these are my faves and worth every penny!

The best turboprop I have ever flown and ever seen and it's free! Yes I said free! YS-11.
This is an old turbo prop and there are no
prop condition levers. The pitch is controlled
by weights in the prop. You must select either
ground or flight for the prop. Never put the
prop into the ground setting while in flight.
If you firewall the throttle levers the engines
will soon let go. If you over rev the engines
they will auto-feather. Be sure to read the flight manual. You can find it in the YS-11
folder after you install it. When I was a kid
I remember watching the one Airborne Express
flew out of Dallas Love Field.

Get it here:
http://www.alliedfsgroup.com/?RhZbkYiCnAlN5waqbekYjChpg2y2UpmyoZj9hpg32v
Download the base pack. You can add other
skins to it although you will need to modify
the older ones with the new textures.
Here I am on a cargo run:
http://home.earthlink.net/~jagdgeschwader26/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/122.jpg

http://home.earthlink.net/~jagdgeschwader26/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/ys-11.jpg

From Aeroworx the Super King Air B200. This one
is really nice!
http://www.aeroworx.com/
Here is mine.
http://home.earthlink.net/~jagdgeschwader26/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/144.jpg

http://home.earthlink.net/~jagdgeschwader26/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/143.jpg

From RealAir Simulations
http://www.realairsimulations.com/
These are my favorites.
Super Decathlon
SF 260
Spitfire XIV
Here is my Decathlon:
http://home.earthlink.net/~jagdgeschwader26/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/90.jpg

From Flight One the Cesna 310L
http://www.flight1.com/products.asp?product=c310v1

http://home.earthlink.net/~jagdgeschwader26/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/jagdgeschwader2s.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jagdgeschwader2, is this a screenshot over the Crimean peninsula? Specifically where the ww2 airbase used to be?
http://home.earthlink.net/~jagdgeschwader26/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/144.jpg

BaldieJr
01-27-2005, 04:45 PM
Another request:

A better FM for the Extra 300S! Surely someone has reworked it.

SIAI-Marchetti SF.260 from realair is looking like a load of fun. Maybe next paycheck.

Owlsphone
01-27-2005, 08:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> SIAI-Marchetti SF.260 from realair is looking like a load of fun. Maybe next paycheck. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Baldie, the first step towards recovery is admitting that you have a problem. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

BaldieJr
01-27-2005, 09:25 PM
Its only a problem if I want to recover.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

WTE_Galway
01-27-2005, 10:28 PM
any truth to the rumours about FS2006 being out later this year ?

jeroen_R90S
01-28-2005, 07:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Platypus_1.JaVA:
At my favorite aviation hobby shop, there are several flightsim rigs set up with regular demonstrations going on. There are always some gentlemen (mostly elderly ones, no offence) who look like they have been watching the demonstration for hours. This always amazes me when I see the aircraft (yet another generic airbus or boeing) are in the middle of a flight between London and, let's say, Peking. Is it really that intresting to see the autopilot fly a complete flat and straight line? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, I sometimes visit that shop too, and most of those guys look like vampires, they'd probably melt if they saw the sun... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I don't like civilian sims, never have, and since I have nothing usefull to add to this thread I'll just STFU. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Jeroen

|Exciter|
01-28-2005, 07:53 AM
Great "sim" with many add-ons.
Just need an addon to blow stuff up or a damage modeling addon http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. I have the 2k2 version of FS, and i have to agree i think i have like 6gig of addons!! But got bored just flying around. The most fun is following VFR and ATC commands etc. Other than that it's just setting auto pilot and going out to run errands, coming back and landing etc. Not knocking it, but it's just not exciting enough for me. Thank god for PF and Lockon.

Oleg,you da man....thank you again!!

adlabs6
01-28-2005, 09:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
any truth to the rumours about FS2006 being out later this year ? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A guy at another forum I browse mentioned this a week or so back. I believe he was a beta tester for FS2004, but said there isn't a beta of FS2006 going on yet. He did say that FS10 was apparently under development, however.

kiddknapp59
01-28-2005, 11:04 AM
Hopefully I am on the €œlist€ for the FS10 beta this time (I am supposed to be by association), but so far I haven€t heard anything.