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Ken-Ghost-King
12-05-2007, 03:56 PM
Let's say CH were to make a new Flight yoke. What features would be important to you? Is there a particular yoke design you prefer (ie. Boeing, Mooney, etc.)?

Just gathering information here, so I appreciate as much feedback as possible!

Thank you!!

Urufu_Shinjiro
12-05-2007, 04:04 PM
Force Feedback P38 style http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

striker-85
12-05-2007, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
Force Feedback P38 style http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

I'll second that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Skunk_438RCAF
12-05-2007, 04:09 PM
Well for one thing, a trim wheel where you can actually find the center of the elevator axis.

leitmotiv
12-05-2007, 04:17 PM
Force-feedback!!!! I'd use it for a gazillion bombers for which I am now using my Microsoft Sidewider 2 FF stick. I had your yoke and got rid of it because I couldn't stand the lack of FF! Great yoke otherwise.

JG52Uther
12-05-2007, 04:19 PM
Less 'toy' looking.

Korolov1986
12-05-2007, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
Force Feedback P38 style.

QFT

Urufu_Shinjiro
12-05-2007, 05:01 PM
I think a P38 or B17 style yolk with forcefeedback would be awsome and would probably sell. Unfortunately us WWII simmers re a minority in a community that is a minority itself. Most simmers are into the civilian/commecial stuff so the likelyhood of CH making a WWII is slim. No matter what it looks like though forcefeedback would be great!

Skunk_438RCAF
12-05-2007, 05:36 PM
Yoke...Yoke...Yoke.

Yolk is the yellow stuff in eggs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

scaredycat1
12-05-2007, 05:56 PM
A split throttle to go with it.

Stiletto-
12-05-2007, 06:04 PM
I still have a CH Virtual Pilot that I got in 1994 and it still works flawlessley, on the original pots too. I was quite happy with it even though I wish I had a pro cause it had more buttons. I'd say make it a full yoke like the Virtual Pilot but atleast have it look like something that could have been ripped out of a real aircraft, doesn't have to be exactly after a real model, just less genaric looking and cooler, add more buttons throttles and axis's than the current Ch Flight yoke and bucket it up with some good looks, it would be great.

BrotherVoodoo
12-05-2007, 08:25 PM
Force-feedback!!!!
+1

I would also like to see a built in timer/clock and at least 4 lever axis (more would be cool too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Maybe also a metal version for real immersion http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

slipBall
12-06-2007, 01:44 AM
For me the only way to improve what you already offer would be ffb, appearance style, and some type of tenshion adjuster for the stick's throw.....it would have to be more than appearance, for me to give up the one I have.....you guys make great quality products http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

WOLFMondo
12-06-2007, 03:46 AM
Originally posted by striker-85:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
Force Feedback P38 style http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

I'll second that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

+3!

Ken-Ghost-King
12-06-2007, 02:42 PM
Okay, but, what other features would you like to see? Buttons? Switches? Axes? Detents?

Urufu_Shinjiro
12-06-2007, 02:59 PM
Originally posted by Ken-Ghost-King:
Okay, but, what other features would you like to see? Buttons? Switches? Axes? Detents?

Yes. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

To elaborate, I think as far as a yoke is concerned the more axis, buttons and detents you add the better as long as the price is not too adversly affected. I beleive the most important feature would be the forcefeedback as suggested by the number of posts on that. Several buttons and maybe a hat switch or two that can be reached by the thumbs, and at least two throttle levers would be nice. Some trim wheels would be nice too (not the trim for the stick but seperate pots).

slipBall
12-06-2007, 03:16 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif.....I sure don't want you to have less button's and wheels than what's on the fighter stick....I use everyone of them

horseback
12-06-2007, 10:03 PM
Personally, I'd like to see at least three rotary dial type axes for trimming along with the usual lever type axes for prop pitch, mixture and throttle on that Force Feedback yoke. If they were on a detachable console that I could put at a more ergonomically convenient location, that would be even better...

cheers

horseback

TgD Thunderbolt56
12-07-2007, 07:08 AM
two rotaries and at least two more switches. Otherwise, it's pretty good the way it is. FFB isn't as important for me though it's kinda cool. It's really just a novelty (and yes I've used it while I had BOTH of my MSFFB2 sticks).

LEBillfish
12-07-2007, 08:35 AM
Ken-Ghost-King;

Since you're here and not wanting to derail your "yoke" thread, I never the less have a quick question having hands too small to reach on most sticks, and position I fly unorthodox at best......

Does CH Prod. intend to ever make a "twisty" stick? (add a rudder axis), if not, are your pedals "mechanically linked" or by wire (electrical) so their relationship could be changed.......

Please feel free to PM me to keep the topic "on-topic".

K2

Ken-Ghost-King
12-07-2007, 08:55 AM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Ken-Ghost-King;

Since you're here and not wanting to derail your "yoke" thread, I never the less have a quick question having hands too small to reach on most sticks, and position I fly unorthodox at best......

Does CH Prod. intend to ever make a "twisty" stick? (add a rudder axis), if not, are your pedals "mechanically linked" or by wire (electrical) so their relationship could be changed.......

Please feel free to PM me to keep the topic "on-topic".

K2

A twisty stick, no. In Control Manager, however, nothing is impossible http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif If you have let's say a FS or CS PT and PP, you could map them all as one device or multiple devices. What dictates how many devices you map is the sim itself.

Back on topic: personally, I'd like to see a throttle push/pull knob. hmmmmmmmmm http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BrotherVoodoo
12-07-2007, 10:30 AM
I'd like to see a throttle push/pull knob. hmmmmmmmmm

Now that would be sweet! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

Ken-Ghost-King
12-10-2007, 04:00 PM
Or, maybe something like this...
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3816/megayokeyz5.png

Urufu_Shinjiro
12-10-2007, 04:13 PM
lol, now that would be sweet.

ElAurens
12-10-2007, 05:31 PM
What I'd like to see is an option to replace the ministick on the Pro Throttle with a rotary. I have no use for that stick thingy, but a rotary would be very helpful.

Ken-Ghost-King
12-10-2007, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
What I'd like to see is an option to replace the ministick on the Pro Throttle with a rotary. I have no use for that stick thingy, but a rotary would be very helpful.

That's been done http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

ElAurens
12-10-2007, 09:05 PM
How do I get one?

TSmoke
12-10-2007, 09:14 PM
Would love a yoke, P-38 style like most others.

However that picture of a yoke you put up is totally absurd. To many buttons, throttles on the left side or switchable for us lefties.

We always get the shltty end of the stick.

heywooood
12-10-2007, 10:50 PM
this is a bout a yoke and not a stick right?

-the one you have pictured is along the right track but it does have too many buttons switches and triggers for me...

you need to be able to handle the grips without inadvertently flipping, twistng or rotating something else...yes?

copy a p-38 yoke exactly - and a Mooney or Cessna yoke exactly - and a B17 or B24 yoke exactly...and offer them as options for your base configuration so that I can have the one I want and then you can sell me one base unit with the throttle levers and so forth on it and one each of the 'interchangeable' yoke grips as well. This way your one quality product can appeal to both combat and civil simmers alike.

Now the yoke grips can have the progammable triggers and R/T switches in all the right places (plus maybe one or two other progammable doodads) and the base unit can have the rest -or maybe a small 9 button keypad on the top? and the yokes themselves can be accurate to their originals and not look so...gamey

and Tsmoke is right - you should make the casing reversible since all you really have to relocate for lefties is the throttle /prop / mixture levers...then you can 'assemble to order' for lefties

Fenice_1965
12-11-2007, 04:45 AM
ROTARIES FOR TRIMMING !!!!!!!!!! AND HEAVIER BASES

Schwarz.13
12-11-2007, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by Ken-Ghost-King:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Let's say CH were to make a new Flight yoke. What features would be important to you? Is there a particular yoke design you prefer (ie. Boeing, Mooney, etc.)?

Just gathering information here, so I appreciate as much feedback as possible!

Thank you!!
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ken - i'm assuming that you must work for CH in some capacity or other...

I personally have not much interest in yokes ATM but what i will say is that CH obviously have a great reputation for quality/precision sim products (I will be splashing out on a throttle/stick combo at some point) and a loyal customer base...

I, and i'm sure many hundred (at least)others, would love to see an authentic looking warbird stick! If you think about how popular WWII flight sims are thesedays, i am amazed that a company like CH hasn't introduced one - the market is certainly there for one!

ATM the only thing i have seen worth getting would be this amazing KG13 from Tarmac Aces (http://www.valiant-studio.eu/tarmac/html/en/hangar.php):
http://www.valiant-studio.eu/tarmac/html/images/hangar/2_4.jpg
http://www.valiant-studio.eu/tarmac/html/images/hangar/1_4.jpg

Unbelievably good, i'm sure you'll agree but the price (including the base) is WAY beyond the price range of your average simmer.

When you consider that some enthusiasts will go to AWESOME (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/1181093855) lengths for some authenticity then why can't CH bring out something authentic looking/feeling but affordable???

CH sticks seem worth the investment but the ones available ATM look just like toy F-16 sticks to me (and many people) and i don't play LOMAC or any other modern jet sim!

So if CH are listening..? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

slipBall
12-11-2007, 03:11 PM
Oh a yoke...I guess the yokes on me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif, I see it now in the thread title..........sorry no interest in one, I sold the CH yoke that I had....but I would purchase a stick with the features above http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Cold_Gambler
12-11-2007, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
How do I get one?

That's two of us who would like to know... a rotary in place of the ministick would be great.

slipBall
12-12-2007, 02:53 AM
this is a bout a yoke and not a stick right?

-the one you have pictured is along the right track but it does have too many buttons switches and triggers for me...


I don't think that the picture is the real thing.....you would need two right hand's http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
12-12-2007, 06:13 AM
Originally posted by Cold_Gambler:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
How do I get one?

That's two of us who would like to know... a rotary in place of the ministick would be great. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


LMAO... you're asking the "horse's mouth".

Ken-Ghost-King
12-12-2007, 06:33 AM
Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cold_Gambler:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
How do I get one?

That's two of us who would like to know... a rotary in place of the ministick would be great. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


LMAO... you're asking the "horse's mouth". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What? Who me? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Guys, yes I cut and pasted a CS and FS onto a Yoke. Use your imagination. Try to imagine that the one on the left (CS) has that button on the inside, so that your thumb contacts it rather than your palm. That's just my idea of what could be done to a Yoke, not the end all Yoke.

TgD Thunderbolt56
12-12-2007, 06:45 AM
Ken,

Gambler and El are asking more specifically (if I'm not mistaken) about a Pro Throttle with a rotary in place of the mini-stick.

WOLFMondo
12-12-2007, 06:51 AM
I'd be more tempted by a stick as above, rather than a Yoke. yeah, more buttons is good but a stick like the one from a 190 would guarantee my purchase. Its the only thing that would stop me using my CH Fighter stick anyway.

Ken-Ghost-King
12-12-2007, 08:21 AM
Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
Ken,

Gambler and El are asking more specifically (if I'm not mistaken) about a Pro Throttle with a rotary in place of the mini-stick.

Well, personally, I'd just add the rotaries, and keep the mini-joystick. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Nothing says you have to use it anyway. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Cold_Gambler
12-13-2007, 04:58 AM
Ah.... you mean like the franken-potatos.

I thought you meant that there was a production pro-throttle with a rotary.

TX-EcoDragon
12-13-2007, 12:34 PM
Before asking about buttons or an aircraft to base the yoke on, I would ask that the issues that plague the current yoke be dealt with.

The first two issues are what I see as the biggies, and are why I don't use mine:

1. The fact that the yoke never centers in the same place twice (at least the 6 that I use, plus those of a few friends), particularly on the pitch axis means that trimming is pointless, and stabilized trimmed flight is impossible if you ever touch the yoke.

2. The throttle quadrant is placed right behind the right control horn such that turning the yoke while keeping your hand on the throttle requires abnormal body positioning that prompted one of the flight instructors to call sim pilots flying gorillas. While sim pilots might not care about this, "real pilots" who keep their hand on the throttles most of the time when in the pattern, on departure/approach, and particularly in the landing flare need to be able to do this without resorting to gymnastics.

The best solution here is what Saitek did - a separate throttle quadrant. It would also be great if perhaps if it could lock onto the side of the yoke to keep it as one piece for those that don't like moving all the sub parts around when removing the yoke etc.

3. I'd like to see adjustable degrees of rotation, as the current yoke does not rotate near as much as the yokes in most aircraft. It feels most similar to the Mooney M20J, but other than that case, nothing I've flown rotates so few degrees lock to lock.

4. The creaking plastic of the yoke shaft, and the yoke wheel, as well as that peculiar spring sound reminds you every time you move it that it's plastic.

The Saitek yoke's metal shaft and smooth action is really nice, as is the built in timer. Though most pilots use separate timers on their kneeboards anyway, in the Bonanzas and such there is a yoke mounted timer which is really nice, and for a PC unit, it helps lessens the clutter of flying some approaches.

5. Similar to the Saitek yoke, a flat top to the yoke case is really nice for holding approach plates and chats in the area where a pilot using a yoke clamp to hold the charts is used to looking, instead of needing to place them on a kneeboard, on your lap, or on the desk.

6. An available Throttle, Prop, and Mix quadrant that features the push/pull type knobs for the GA pilots would be great. A vernier on the prop and mix would be ideal!!

7. As for FFB. . .I for one don't care about force feedback as other than in tailslides (and I don't think there is an aircraft capable of tailslides that has a yoke), and taxiing in high winds, the yoke doesn't give too much force feedback in the way that FFB devices I've used do. If by FFB we are talking about different stick forces at various speeds, and in various designs that would be awesome!

CH would really set themselves apart from the other yokes out there if they did these things IMHO, and I'd be happy to go that way if they solved the current issues, and if there are new features, all the better!