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LEXX_Luthor
08-14-2004, 10:03 PM
ASH I missed your thread before the serial mods thankfully locked it. But wanted to see how many others successfully use Mouse View to smoothly follow targets during a fight. I use my HAT switches for Zoom control, but that is Off Topic and for another thread--the thread about HAT switches.

ASH you are into TIR but your neck must hurt. My wrist hurts but I always have a spare.

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ...joking. Wrist does not hurt. The trick to successful Mouse View is to ramp up the Mouse Sensitivity in FB Input Menu to 4.0 or above. 10.0 is the max allowed. Default is 1.0 if I recall correctly. mmm

...and may you someday be Blessed with using HAT switch for Lean Control (pilot lean NOT fuel lean http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ).


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LEXX_Luthor
08-14-2004, 10:03 PM
ASH I missed your thread before the serial mods thankfully locked it. But wanted to see how many others successfully use Mouse View to smoothly follow targets during a fight. I use my HAT switches for Zoom control, but that is Off Topic and for another thread--the thread about HAT switches.

ASH you are into TIR but your neck must hurt. My wrist hurts but I always have a spare.

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ...joking. Wrist does not hurt. The trick to successful Mouse View is to ramp up the Mouse Sensitivity in FB Input Menu to 4.0 or above. 10.0 is the max allowed. Default is 1.0 if I recall correctly. mmm

...and may you someday be Blessed with using HAT switch for Lean Control (pilot lean NOT fuel lean http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ).


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Resident_Jock
08-14-2004, 10:11 PM
Well, like I said in there, I use the mouse combined with HAT switches. It really depends on what I need at that moment.

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gkll
08-14-2004, 10:37 PM
I use mouse view exclusively and found it from the very first minute intuitive and easy. I can track targets easily.

I have just made a mouse with a throttle on it which works very slick indeed, I prefer the new one to using the mouse wheel with accelerated scrolling for the throttle. Flaps are the buttons. Never lift a hand.

I'm no shot and online (as much as I go) I tend to get excited and execute bad tactics, but this is no fault of mouse view...

PF_Coastie
08-14-2004, 10:55 PM
If you have a trackball mouse, it is very easy to use mouseview. The only downside is having to leave the throttle while using the mouse.

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Resident_Jock
08-14-2004, 11:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PF_Coastie:
If you have a trackball mouse, it is very easy to use mouseview. The only downside is having to leave the throttle while using the mouse.

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This is why I use the HAT switch combined with the mouse. When I need to make throttle inputs while checking my 6, I will use the HAT, take my hand off the mouse and make my throttle adjustments. I do the same when I am lining up a shot and need rudder.

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ASH at S-MART
08-14-2004, 11:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
ASH I missed your thread before the serial mods thankfully locked it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>LOL!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
But wanted to see how many others successfully use Mouse View to smoothly follow targets during a fight.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Those guys are amazing.. But.. Most leftys I have met are better with thier right hand then I am with my left hand.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
I use my HAT switches for Zoom control, but that is Off Topic and for another thread--_the thread about HAT switches._ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I use my throttle HAT to ctrl zooms

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
ASH you are into TIR but your neck must hurt. My wrist hurts but I always have a spare. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>LOL! No.. you actually dont have to move your head much at all.. As a mater of fact the trick is in trying to keep it still.. But a good dead zone around center will take care of that.. Dont want it twitching when Im aimaing

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ...joking. Wrist does not hurt. The trick to successful Mouse View is to ramp up the Mouse Sensitivity in FB Input Menu to 4.0 or above. 10.0 is the max allowed. Default is 1.0 if I recall correctly. mmm<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>So.. you use the mouse too? May I ask if you are left handed?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
...and may you someday be Blessed with using HAT switch for Lean Control (pilot lean NOT fuel lean http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Roger.. Im sure it will happen one day.. It is just the logical next step in simulatig the cockpit and views.. It has all come a long way in the past 15 years.. TrackIR is just filling the gap until we all have HMDs with motion sensors for movment and VR gloves to manipulate the switches in the cockpit! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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ASH at S-MART
08-14-2004, 11:12 PM
By the way.. does anyone use the mini-mouse/joystick that some throttles come with for views? If I didnt have TrackIR I would probally use that over the HAT.. But Im saving that thing for the day a sim comes out that allows us to LEAN in the cockpit http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Indianer.
08-14-2004, 11:23 PM
Leaning would be a nice feature especially combined with TIR.

BTW I think my hair is starting to recede due to continual hat wearing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Its either that or arthritis of the thumbs lol.



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LEXX_Luthor
08-15-2004, 12:05 AM
ASH, yes I am left handed, and have always used left hand for mouse, although most left handers use right hand for mouse.

I forgot, and this could be fundamental. I am a number cruncher, typing in long decimal numbers through numeric keypad with my right hand, and thus I have always used left hand for mouse. The only time I have used right hand for mouse is on other peoples' computers, and I am a disaster when I try that. Those who use right hand for joystick like me but have always used right hand for mouse basically lose the mouse for a game control unless they physically train with left hand mouse.

Resident_Jock, I am experimenting with throttle mapped to mouse buttons. Left button for increase, right button for decrease, and center button (press wheel down) for 100% throttle.



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Tully__
08-15-2004, 12:12 AM
Hat emulation of mouse view with fast tracking unshifted and slow tracking shifted (gotta love the X-45 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) or TIR, depending on mood. Ideally I'd have TIR, mouse emulation and hat views all set up but I haven't bothered working out how to do it yet http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

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triggerhappyfin
08-15-2004, 03:32 AM
Cam2Pan here. Because I already had a webcam.

And the !!9.75$!! it costed me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif.

Took a while to get used to, but now - beeing without it is like flyin blindfolded.

Without that situational awerness a head panning system provides - it feels like a lottery to fly online - small or no chances of survival(hard enough as it is).

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SeaFireLIV
08-15-2004, 03:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
ASH, yes I am left handed, and have always used left hand for mouse, although most left handers use right hand for mouse.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Funny, I`m TOTALLY right-handed, but I was so annoyed at the limits of the hat-switch (which seemed fine before IL2) that I MADE myself get used to using the Mouse in the left hand. It took me about a week. It was well worth it, performance went up 100%. Interestingly performance with the TIR has in comparison improved maybe 10%... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif (But the immersion went up 100% http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

The only reason I left the Mouse was cos someone gave me TIR for art rendered. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Even then, when I first started with TIR I found myself still moving my left hand to view! Today I still keep the Mouse controls active JUST in case I get a failure on the TIR which happened a couple of times.

The Mouse is a fine substitute for TIR, you don`t need to be left handed or a numerical wiz (?)... Just have patience.

P.S. Yes, Lexx is right, just up the Mouse sensitivity and you hardly need to move those wrists at all.

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08-15-2004, 08:01 AM
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carguy_
08-15-2004, 09:32 AM
I use my left hand for numpad,couldn`t really do anything with my low cpi mouse.Got used to numpad so much that a jump into TIR isn`t worth the money.

My SA is interfered always when I`m winging someone but I`ll get used to it.

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BSS_CUDA
08-15-2004, 09:35 AM
I dont have TIR what dont have mouse view either, what I do have is a CH pro throttle with the mini joystick on my left thumb. it acts as a mouse. not ever having flown with TIR I cant speak to which would be better or easier, but I have little trouble keeping an eye on my target ~S~

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ASH at S-MART
08-15-2004, 10:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carguy_:
I use my left hand for numpad,couldn`t really do anything with my low cpi mouse.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That is the way I did it back in the SWOTL days.. SWOTL was one of the first sims to have more than the standard 5 views.. Prior to that most sims put the views on the F keys.. i.e. F1-F5 but when SWOTL came out they added the 45‚? UP and LEFT-FORWARD type views.. And in doing so mapped it to the keypad where the 0 key was the 45‚? per view. It worked very well.. So good that I put off buying a joystick with a HAT for some time.. Until other sims came out that didn't use the keypad.. And re-mapping keys back then was not possible

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carguy_:
Got used to numpad so much that a jump into TIR isn`t worth the money.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Don't base your purchase of TrackIR on how much it will improve your ability to view things.. Because it wont! Base it on the immersion factor! And the fact that it frees up a hand to do *other* things! I have found that with TrackIR and my now free hand I can do much better in the close scissors turn fights because I can keep the bogie in view and manipulate the throttle with ease.. Something that was a little harder before TrackIR in that I had to manipulate the throttle and the HAT on the throttle

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p1ngu666
08-15-2004, 12:05 PM
hm
i have joystick in left hand, on my lap, and right hand mouse. im a lefty
i use that lil joystick thingy on stick, and or mouse http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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flyingscampi
08-15-2004, 05:25 PM
I've programmed my x45 to use mouse mode on hat 1 with two different sensitivity settings (using the pinkie shift) and programmed FOV (zoom) to rotary 1.

Works a treat! I can use every FOV setting available by whizzing the rotary around with my thumb. Have to remember to set it to neutral before you enter and leave the game tho..

AlGroover
08-15-2004, 09:35 PM
I just replaced my old type mouse with a MS wireless optical one with symmetrical (ambidextrous) design. It's made a big difference to ease of mouseview.

Tully__
08-16-2004, 03:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flyingscampi:
...Have to remember to set it to neutral before you enter and leave the game tho..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why don't you set it up so that when shifted then moved to an extreme it throws in enough extra "zoom ins" or "zoom outs" to reset, then you wont have to remember to reset before entering the game each time http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

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flyingscampi
08-16-2004, 01:29 PM
Thanks for the tip tully!

Er not sure what you meant tho http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I've banded rotary 1 and assigned a key mapped to a FOV control to each band. Is there a better way? I'll have a squint at your profile for tips.

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08-16-2004, 06:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flyingscampi:
Thanks for the tip tully!

Er not sure what you meant tho http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I've banded rotary 1 and assigned a key mapped to a FOV control to each band. Is there a better way? I'll have a squint at your profile for tips.

I created an excel spreadsheet that lists all available fb controls, key assignments and x45 assignments if anyone wants it (or to host). I created it beacuse I suffered an embolism trying to work everything out on scraps of paper.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll see if I can work up an example for you when I get home from work. I don't use banding much myself (not at all actually) but IIRC what I'm suggesting is possible.

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Tully__
08-17-2004, 04:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flyingscampi:
Thanks for the tip tully!

Er not sure what you meant tho http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I've banded rotary 1 and assigned a key mapped to a FOV control to each band. Is there a better way? I'll have a squint at your profile for tips.

I created an excel spreadsheet that lists all available fb controls, key assignments and x45 assignments if anyone wants it (or to host). I created it beacuse I suffered an embolism trying to work everything out on scraps of paper.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now that I look at it, probably not, though I don't quite understand why you need to center the slider before leaving/entering the game?

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