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anarchy52
01-14-2007, 12:47 PM
Plane that was more nimble then Zero, fully aerobatic, delight to fly...in game it is a nasty ill tempered beast with P-39-like spin of death (from old series Il-2)...what gave the developers that idea?

XyZspineZyX
01-14-2007, 12:54 PM
I'm guessing it was based on the Ki-43

Seriously, 'maneuverability' is about the most ill-understood thing here. Everyone thinks it measn "tight turning circle" when in fact it means "able to change it's direction of travel quickly"

P-40B is a manueverable plane- it has a nice roll rate. Lousy stall characteristics for a turn fight against a Zero though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif And it's a heavy plane to boot

I don't see much wrong with the Ki-43 in game it has good enough power to weight, Ok acceleration and good climb, rolls well, and turns tight at low speed, although usally I'm shooting at it instead of with it...<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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VW-IceFire
01-14-2007, 05:48 PM
How are you spinning a Ki-43? I'd really like to know because I've found none of that myself. Its very stable in turns, in gunnery, and it holds up fairly well in all sorts of maneuvers.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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tigertalon
01-14-2007, 06:41 PM
Hmm, the later versions are considerably more spin prone than early (which is almost impossible to stall).

I prefer early series over later (if there is no need to carry bombs).<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Tipo_Man
01-15-2007, 02:56 AM
Originally posted by tigertalon:
Hmm, the later versions are considerably more spin prone than early (which is almost impossible to stall).

I prefer early series over later (if there is no need to carry bombs).

You are kidding right?
Ki-43 II actually outperforms SpitV , Yaks , P-40's and almost any pre 1943 plane.
I actually plan to remove it from some of the online maps I make, because it's just too good
It's fast (460km/h) on the deck, while being able to outturn everything...good climb, decent armement => perfect dogfighter.

Marcel_Albert
01-15-2007, 03:17 AM
Originally posted by Tipo_Man:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tigertalon:
Hmm, the later versions are considerably more spin prone than early (which is almost impossible to stall).

I prefer early series over later (if there is no need to carry bombs).

You are kidding right?
Ki-43 II actually outperforms SpitV , Yaks , P-40's and almost any pre 1943 plane.
I actually plan to remove it from some of the online maps I make, because it's just too good
It's fast (460km/h) on the deck, while being able to outturn everything...good climb, decent armement => perfect dogfighter. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think you are exagerating mate http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif .

Spit V is A LOT better than KI-43II , way faster above 2000 meters , it turns equally good and is better at sustained medium speed turns , it climbs way better above 2000 meters , it's A LOT better at high speeds , it can outdive him , it has a much more powerful armament etc...

There isn't any contest between KI-43 and Spit V really .

P-40 is also considerably faster than KI-43 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Same for Yak-1B or Yak 9 , actually , even a Yak-1 or Yak-7B is considerably faster than Ki-43II , at 4500m for instance , KI-43II does 500kph whereas a mere Yak-7B (the worst of all Yak series ) does 570 kph http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I agree with you that KI-43 is a very good dogfighter below 2000 meters , lacks some speed but has excellent performances in low speed combat , excellent manoeuvrability .

Personally , i mainly fly US planes so i rarely get to fly in it except in QMB , but i think that it wouldn't be wise to take it out from planeset , because it's really not a very dangerous fighter , when you use proper tactics against him and don't play on his strengths , just never turn or sustain turns with Ki-43 except at high speeds or initial turns at medium speed to shoot him , stay fast , use teamwork , fly above 2000 meters , and don't hesitate to go for head ons , you 'll find that Ki-43 is actually an easy prey , cause it can never dictate the conditions of the fight , except when you have to escort bombers at low alts . well that's IMHO, but i respect your opinion http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Tipo_Man
01-15-2007, 03:29 AM
Originally posted by Marcel_Albert:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tipo_Man:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tigertalon:
Hmm, the later versions are considerably more spin prone than early (which is almost impossible to stall).

I prefer early series over later (if there is no need to carry bombs).

You are kidding right?
Ki-43 II actually outperforms SpitV , Yaks , P-40's and almost any pre 1943 plane.
I actually plan to remove it from some of the online maps I make, because it's just too good
It's fast (460km/h) on the deck, while being able to outturn everything...good climb, decent armement => perfect dogfighter. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think you are exagerating mate http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif .

Spit V is A LOT better than KI-43II , way faster above 2000 meters , it turns equally good and is better at sustained medium speed turns , it climbs way better above 2000 meters , it's A LOT better at high speeds , it can outdive him , it has a much more powerful armament etc...

There isn't any contest between KI-43 and Spit V really .

P-40 is also considerably faster than KI-43 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Same for Yak-1B or Yak 9 , actually , even a Yak-1 or Yak-7B is considerably faster than Ki-43II , at 4500m for instance , KI-43II does 500kph whereas a mere Yak-7B (the worst of all Yak series ) does 570 kph http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I agree with you that KI-43 is a very good dogfighter below 2000 meters , lacks some speed but has excellent performances in low speed combat , excellent manoeuvrability .

Personally , i mainly fly US planes so i rarely get to fly in it except in QMB , but i think that it wouldn't be wise to take it out from planeset , because it's really not a very dangerous fighter , when you use proper tactics against him and don't play on his strengths , just never turn or sustain turns with Ki-43 except at high speeds or initial turns at medium speed to shoot him , stay fast , use teamwork , fly above 2000 meters , and don't hesitate to go for head ons , you 'll find that Ki-43 is actually an easy prey , cause it can never dictate the conditions of the fight , except when you have to escort bombers at low alts . well that's IMHO, but i respect your opinion http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, I agree.
The problem is that it looks like most players don't know how to fight it, or are reluctant to spend the time needed to gain altitude...
Bases are close 2min flight time, full real with icons.
I have a planeset:
HurricaneMkIIb
A6M2-21
B-239
Bf-109E-7
Bf-109F-2
CR_42
IAR80
J8A
Ki-27-Otsu
Ki-43-Ic
Ki-43-II
Ki-61-I-Ko
MC-200series3
MC-202_VII

Against:
BuffaloMkI
F2A-2
F4F-4
HurricaneMkIIb
I-153M62
I-16type18
LaGG-3series4
MiG-3-2xUB
P-39D1
P-40E-M-105
P-40M
SeafireFMkIII
Yak-1
J8A

Here Ki-43 II simply rules.
It does outturn seafire, while being marginally slower than it.

It's a very good plane, requires little skill to fly and packs quite a punch...

JG53Frankyboy
01-15-2007, 03:46 AM
well, the "punch" will be reduced a bit when Maddox game will(hopefully) change its US .50cal Brownings to japanese 12,7mm Ho.103 .........

F19_Ob
01-15-2007, 12:43 PM
Personally I think the ki-43 is quite inferior to many allied BnZ planes in the Hellcat class.
Hellcats also turn well enough to do limited turns with a ki-43.
A ki-43 can't roll with a diving Hellcat, so with altitude there is always a way out for the allied pilot.

The ki-43 really can't dictate the fight in the respect it can't disengage like the hellcat can when things go wrong.
The F6F-3 (Late) "Hellcat" is about 60 kph faster than the ki-43 at sea level, wich means a ki-43 can't choose to go home when it wants.
Also the best ki-43 only have two heavy mg's with a slow rate of fire,because it was syncronised to fire through the propeller, while the Hellcat has higher rate of fire and 6 x 0.50 cal Machine Guns. Quite a difference.
The ki-43 often brakes or burn after a single 1 sec burst from a Hellcat.

So it all really boils down to tactics. There is no question in wich plane I would wan't to be in real life if I could choose.
The one that brings me home.

With this said I don't doubt that a good pilot can be deadly in it.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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NAFP_supah
01-17-2007, 09:44 PM
The main reason the Ki-43 is so good is the mindset of opposing pilots. A lot of pilots online seem to be locked in a turn and burn mindset, I have shot down much much better planes in the hayabusha simply because the spitfire pilot (to name an example) has the idea in his head that his spitfire should be able to outturn any airplane. Well not this machine. I've even seen some of these idiots trying to turn it out with biplanes.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Krt_Bong
01-18-2007, 04:51 PM
As far as manueverability goes most good dogfighters tend to be inherently unstable on purpose, you dont want a super stable a/c if your going to try and twist and turn in it. if you have a very fast plane it wont turn as tight necessarily. A nimble little plane that can turn inside opponents wont stand but a few hits being made of lighter materials but thats not the object the object is to get on the other guys tail before he can do it to you. WWI ace Werner Voss took on 7 Se5a's in his Fokker Dr.I Triplane and put hits on all seven before being shot down because it was more manueverable and could turn very tight but had only 110 mph top speed and therefore could'nt extend and get away. The same is true of the Ki-43; nimble but not very fast, agile but a few hits and bye, bye.

ElAurens
01-18-2007, 06:49 PM
I too find the Ki 43 II to be less than stellar.
Any faster Allied aircraft, if flown properly, can defeat it. Fortunately many Allied pilots still try to turn fight it... muhahaha!!!!!

It's spin/stall behavior is way off the mark however, IMHO. This is a very lightly wing loaded aircraft, yet it will slip on a banana peel and enter a flat spin simply by looking at it cross eyed.

Nonsense, utter nonsense. I hope that this canned, non-realistic, and totally bogus spin behavior, that is evident on all aircraft in the sim to one degree or another is fixed in BoB.

As it stands I'll take a Ib over it any day.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Tater-SW-
01-18-2007, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by NAFP_supah:
The main reason the Ki-43 is so good is the mindset of opposing pilots. A lot of pilots online seem to be locked in a turn and burn mindset, I have shot down much much better planes in the hayabusha simply because the spitfire pilot (to name an example) has the idea in his head that his spitfire should be able to outturn any airplane. Well not this machine. I've even seen some of these idiots trying to turn it out with biplanes.


Exactly.

I'm constantly amazed at guys in US planes willing to TnB with me in a Ki-43, any of them. I actually prefer the -Is since I like the telescope---I snipe given the weak armament.

Feathered_IV
01-18-2007, 09:05 PM
A lot of pilots online seem to be locked in a turn and burn mindset

The phrase 'turn and burn' originated as a cautionary description among Allied pilots in New Guinea of what would happen if you try to manoeuvre with Japanese aircraft. ie: You turn - you will burn. Funny how people nowadays think it means something like screeching tyres or burning rubber. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Mr_Nakajima
01-19-2007, 02:47 AM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
It's spin/stall behavior is way off the mark however, IMHO. This is a very lightly wing loaded aircraft, yet it will slip on a banana peel and enter a flat spin simply by looking at it cross eyed.

+1.