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MB_Avro_UK
04-23-2007, 05:52 PM
Hi All,

April 23rd is the day of the Patron Saint of England 'Saint George'.

Nothing in the English media of course as they regard it as Imperialistic and not sympathetic as regards our 'multicultural' society http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif.

Here's a clip from Shakespeare regarding the 1415 Battle of Agincourt against the French...first mention of the phrase 'Band of Brothers'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z399i_PksfU&mode=related&search=

The sad fact is,that to fly an English flag in England is regarded as racist by Tony Blair's government.

Does any other country have this problem?

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

horseback
04-23-2007, 06:24 PM
I liked Lawrence Olivier's version better, I think.

Any expression of national pride is 'racist' to those jealous of our ancestors' greater accomplishments.

But Happy St George's Day to you, England, and God Save the Queen, and may He bless you, whether you like it or not!

Drink a pint for me, Avro.

cheers

horseback

Inadaze
04-23-2007, 06:45 PM
Good clip, one of my favourite movies http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I'm English but lived in the Highlands for a few years, it made me sad to see how outwardly proud of their nation the Scots could be on a national holiday compared to us English. It made me feel like were losing something important in our cultural identity...

On the other hand at least St Georges day hasn't been turned into a commercialised horror of drink fuelled advertising like St Patricks...

I'm a day late, but I leave you with the other famous speech from Henry vth... (unfortunately not on utube)

Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more;
Or close the wall up with our English dead!
In peace there's nothing so becomes a man
As modest stillness and humility:
But when the blast of war blows in our ears,
Then imitate the action of the tiger;
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favour'd rage;
Then lend the eye a terrible aspect;
Let pry through the portage of the head
Like the brass cannon; let the brow o'erwhelm it
As fearfully as doth a galled rock
O'erhang and jutty his confounded base,
Swill'd with the wild and wasteful ocean.
Now set the teeth and stretch the nostril wide,
Hold hard the breath and bend up every spirit
To his full height. On, on, you noblest English.
Whose blood is fet from fathers of war-proof!
Fathers that, like so many Alexanders,
Have in these parts from morn till even fought
And sheathed their swords for lack of argument:
Dishonour not your mothers; now attest
That those whom you call'd fathers did beget you.
Be copy now to men of grosser blood,
And teach them how to war. And you, good yeoman,
Whose limbs were made in England, show us here
The mettle of your pasture; let us swear
That you are worth your breeding; which I doubt not;
For there is none of you so mean and base,
That hath not noble lustre in your eyes.
I see you stand like greyhounds in the slips,
Straining upon the start. The game's afoot:
Follow your spirit, and upon this charge
Cry 'God for Harry, England, and Saint George!'

Divine-Wind
04-23-2007, 06:47 PM
Political correctness can go suck on an egg.

It really annoys me how people now have to be careful how they say good morning lest they offend someone and violate their rights.

leitmotiv
04-23-2007, 08:28 PM
The Red Cross Knight---for England! for Saint George!

http://www.cviog.uga.edu/Projects/gainfo/engflag.jpg

BillyTheKid_22
04-23-2007, 08:45 PM
http://www.acornbrewery.net/St%20Georges%20Best.jpg



St George's Day England!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif



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Fox_3
04-24-2007, 04:57 AM
LOL! It has nothing to do with political correctness at all. England is a protestant country. Protestants do not celebrate saints days. That's all there is to it.

Monty_Thrud
04-24-2007, 01:19 PM
Cracking haircut, grommit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9fa3HFR02E)

Ishmael932
04-24-2007, 02:46 PM
I prefer Henry's answer to the French Ambassador after the gift of tennis balls:

We are glad the Dauphin is so pleasant with us;
His present and your pains we thank you for:
When we have march'd our rackets to these balls,
We will, in France, by God's grace, play a set
Shall strike his father's crown into the hazard.
Tell him he hath made a match with such a wrangler
That all the courts of France will be disturb'd
With chaces. And we understand him well,
How he comes o'er us with our wilder days,
Not measuring what use we made of them.
We never valued this poor seat of England;
And therefore, living hence, did give ourself
To barbarous licence; as 'tis ever common
That men are merriest when they are from home.
But tell the Dauphin I will keep my state,
Be like a king and show my sail of greatness
When I do rouse me in my throne of France:
For that I have laid by my majesty
And plodded like a man for working-days,
But I will rise there with so full a glory
That I will dazzle all the eyes of France,
Yea, strike the Dauphin blind to look on us.
And tell the pleasant prince this mock of his
Hath turn'd his balls to gun-stones; and his soul
Shall stand sore charged for the wasteful vengeance
That shall fly with them: for many a thousand widows
Shall this his mock mock out of their dear husbands;
Mock mothers from their sons, mock castles down;
And some are yet ungotten and unborn
That shall have cause to curse the Dauphin's scorn.
But this lies all within the will of God,
To whom I do appeal; and in whose name
Tell you the Dauphin I am coming on,
To venge me as I may and to put forth
My rightful hand in a well-hallow'd cause.
So get you hence in peace; and tell the Dauphin
His jest will savour but of shallow wit,
When thousands weep more than did laugh at it.
Convey them with safe conduct. Fare you well.

fighter_966
04-25-2007, 01:56 AM
Actually its St Crispins day when Agincourt happened but happy St Crispin

x6BL_Brando
04-25-2007, 02:29 AM
The sad fact is,that to fly an English flag in England is regarded as racist by Tony Blair's government.

I rather thought it was because the use of the red-on-white cross has been co-opted by a group of racist, neo-fascist white-supremacists called the BNP, or am I wrong?

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WTE_Ibis
04-25-2007, 04:20 AM
Originally posted by x6BL_Brando:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The sad fact is,that to fly an English flag in England is regarded as racist by Tony Blair's government.

I rather thought it was because the use of the red-on-white cross has been co-opted by a group of racist, neo-fascist white-supremacists called the BNP, or am I wrong?

B </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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If it has been then it's time to take it back.

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bazzaah2
04-25-2007, 04:22 AM
Originally posted by x6BL_Brando:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The sad fact is,that to fly an English flag in England is regarded as racist by Tony Blair's government.

I rather thought it was because the use of the red-on-white cross has been co-opted by a group of racist, neo-fascist white-supremacists called the BNP, or am I wrong?

B </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think it has been taken back.

ploughman
04-25-2007, 04:30 AM
Quite.

Another aspect to all of this is the position of England within the Union. Wales, Scotland etc., are teeny weeny countries that are dwarfed, economically, intellectually, culturally, by their mighty neigbour and as such it was always thought a bit mean to bandy Englishness about, or be too overtly English at them as it might make them sad.



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MEGILE
04-25-2007, 04:44 AM
The English are the most indifferent people in the world.

Who cares about St Georges day? Not me

but then I dont care about St Patricks, or Daffids or any of them

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John_Wayne_
04-25-2007, 04:51 AM
I know it's British rather than English, but this is just cute...and it's got Spitfires in it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRlkfUql4ao

Have a great day, Limeys.

x6BL_Brando
04-25-2007, 04:51 AM
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Lovely!

"Rule Englandia, Englandiia rules the waves..... etc." (except on the maritime border between two certain countries but we'll politely ignore that fiasco.)

Oh, but maybe a few too many ..glands in my version http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Black Sheep
04-25-2007, 05:37 AM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
Quite.

Another aspect to all of this is the position of England within the Union. Wales, Scotland etc., are teeny weeny countries that are dwarfed, economically, intellectually, culturally, by their mighty neigbour and as such it was always thought a bit mean to bandy Englishness about, or be too overtly English at them as it might make them sad.



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Lol, nice troll post !

Shame about the spelling mistake, what was that about intellectual superiority ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

ploughman
04-25-2007, 05:43 AM
Quite.

Another aspect to all of this is the position of England within the Union. Wales, Scotland etc., are teeny weeny countries that are dwarfed, economically, culturally, by their mighty neigbour and as such it was always thought a bit mean to bandy Englishness about, or be too overtly English at them as it might make them sad.



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bazzaah2
04-25-2007, 08:09 AM
This royal throne of kings, this sceptred isle,
This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,
This other Eden, demi-paradise,
This fortress built by Nature for herself
Against infection and the hand of war,
This happy breed of men, this little world,
This precious stone set in the silver sea,
Which serves it in the office of a wall
Or as a moat defensive to a house,
Against the envy of less happier lands,--
This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England.

stanford-ukded
04-25-2007, 09:17 AM
All I want is another days holiday. If the Paddy's get one, I want one!

ploughman
04-25-2007, 09:28 AM
Lay-about, you'll be thinking in French next.

Aaron_GT
04-25-2007, 11:42 AM
The sad fact is,that to fly an English flag in England is regarded as racist by Tony Blair's government.

I don't know about that but for a while it was hijacked by soccer thugs abroad, but since the 2002 world cup it seems to have been claimed back and every Euro and World Cup it seems to be out in force. Use of the Cross of St. George is having a recent resurgence, though, as it used to be the Union Jack on St. George's Day when I was in the Scouts many years ago when we went on parades. But with devolution England needs to use its own flag. And we need a national anthem too. "Jerusalem" anyone? If both Billy Bragg and Simon Heffer can agree on that it must stand a chance.