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MrMojok
07-02-2007, 03:04 AM
Does anyone know of any user-made Dora campaigns? I have seen just one: A JV44 campaign. Any others?

VW-IceFire
07-02-2007, 07:48 AM
Don't know of any others...bit of a gap in the FW190 campaign scene isn't it.

Bremspropeller
07-02-2007, 07:52 AM
Well Ice Fire, consider that as a request http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

VW-IceFire
07-02-2007, 07:55 AM
Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
Well Ice Fire, consider that as a request http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Aye http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

So...does anyone have any good materials on FW190D-9 operations on the Western Front in 1945? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

mynameisroland
07-02-2007, 08:08 AM
Ice, a reverse engineered campaign based on your excellent Tempest V series would be a great start.

DKoor
07-02-2007, 08:23 AM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
Well Ice Fire, consider that as a request http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Aye http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

So...does anyone have any good materials on FW190D-9 operations on the Western Front in 1945? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Woo hoo........ D9 intercepting hordes of B-17 and their marauding 51s.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

Kettenhunde
07-02-2007, 09:02 AM
Maybe some inspiration can be found here:

http://www.amazon.com/Jagdgeschwader-301-302-wilde-Sau/...id=1183388221&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Jagdgeschwader-301-302-wilde-Sau/dp/0764321307/ref=sr_1_1/002-3112850-2639247?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1183388221&sr=1-1)

The high altitude staffel used FW-190D9's. Their primary mission was to engage US fighters escorts so others could attack bombers.

All the best,

Crumpp

csThor
07-02-2007, 10:23 AM
"First in Combat with Dora-9" is rather detailed. It actually inspired me to think about a D-9 campaign in late 1944, but since I lack patience with the FMB that never materialized. Too bad I lost my notes in a HDD crash a while back http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

VW-IceFire
07-02-2007, 12:01 PM
Originally posted by mynameisroland:
Ice, a reverse engineered campaign based on your excellent Tempest V series would be a great start.
Its definitely a thought that has crossed my mind. I think JG26 or JG2 are good targets...I made some notes a while back...I know III/JG54 was flying Dora 9's as well (I think) but I think they became a part of JG26 at some point. It'd be a good alternative perspective on Storm Clouds. It'd be a good setup for things like covering Me-262s and fighting Tempests. I guess B-17 interceptions could be done as well.

It's something I'll consider. I'm currently working on something with the Corsair...I'm having a hell of a time trying to do it...but anyways after that I was surveying something Kiev, D-Day with Spitfires, and North Africa but this could top my list. I also want to go back and make some upgrades to some of my old work...so many ideas so little time and often I loose interest after a short while.

Bremspropeller
07-02-2007, 01:23 PM
Unfortunately in-game, Doras can't carry any ordnance.

Therefore missions like Bodenplatte and JaBo sorties "on the road to Berlin" gotta be left out.

Jasko76
07-02-2007, 03:25 PM
Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
Unfortunately in-game, Doras can't carry any ordnance.

Therefore missions like Bodenplatte and JaBo sorties "on the road to Berlin" gotta be left out.

Perhaps, for those Jabo missions, A-8 or A-9 can be used? That would definitely not be un-historic. I'm sure no-one would mind anyway!

MrMojok
07-03-2007, 07:46 AM
Could an admin cross-link this to the Mission buider's forum please?

csThor
07-03-2007, 08:24 AM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Its definitely a thought that has crossed my mind. I think JG26 or JG2 are good targets...I made some notes a while back...I know III/JG54 was flying Dora 9's as well (I think) but I think they became a part of JG26 at some point ...

III./JG 54 was the first unit to fly the D-9 as early as September 1944. But their training period was cut short by placing them in Northwestern Germany, pretty much in the middle of the Allie's "Air Highway to Germany". Secondly the weather in autumn 1944 was appalling with more bad weather days than anything else so training and practicing fell far short of plans.
And then - all of a sudden - two Staffeln were dispatched to Achmer and Hesepe to provide cover for the jets of Kommando Nowotny. Of course this went badly.

All the time III./JG 54 was under JG 26's tactical supervision, but due to the events it remained rather autonomous until December 1944. And in February 1945 the Gruppe was renamed IV./JG 26, but that move was rejected by the pilots of the Gruppe. They kept thinking of themselves as "Grünherzjäger" and even refused to add the "Schlageter" cuff titles to their sleeves.

JG 2 and JG 26 received Doras "rather late" and spent considerable time being idle to replace losses suffered in late 1944 and during "Bodenplatte".


Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
It'd be a good alternative perspective on Storm Clouds. It'd be a good setup for things like covering Me-262s and fighting Tempests. I guess B-17 interceptions could be done as well.

Basically - unless you go for Kettenhunde's suggestion of JG 301 - the Doras in the West were more engaged in tactical operations against the 9th USAAF and especially the 2nd TAF. That means Spitfires, Typhoons, Tempests, Thunderbolts and - of course - a lot of Mustangs. For example III./JG 54 didn't do any heavy bomber interceptions beyond one particular mission and IIRC they didn't even make it to the bombers due to running into a gaggle of P-51s.

Xiolablu3
07-03-2007, 08:36 AM
IMO, the FW190A9 is an awesome JABO plane in 1944.

I love flying that beast, somehow it just seems to handle better than the A8.

Divine-Wind
07-03-2007, 11:03 AM
Originally posted by mynameisroland:
Ice, a reverse engineered campaign based on your excellent Tempest V series would be a great start.
Definitely a must.

mortoma
07-03-2007, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
IMO, the FW190A9 is an awesome JABO plane in 1944.

I love flying that beast, somehow it just seems to handle better than the A8. I noticed that too, I was flying Dgen career in A8, was doing well but as soon as I switched to the A9, things got better. It feels heavier but yet still more responsive and and it zooms climbs better too.

Xiolablu3
07-03-2007, 12:51 PM
Originally posted by mortoma:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
IMO, the FW190A9 is an awesome JABO plane in 1944.

I love flying that beast, somehow it just seems to handle better than the A8. I noticed that too, I was flying Dgen career in A8, was doing well but as soon as I switched to the A9, things got better. It feels heavier but yet still more responsive and and it zooms climbs better too. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I dont know if you have played it, but there is a Winter map on Ukded2 servers with the A9.

The planeset is something like Warclouds but without the Dora. I alway take the 190A9 and dive bomb the targets, then go hunting.

I always seem to do well in it on that map. Obviously you need tactics and teamwork, but the A9 is competitive vs the late P47s/51s/Spit IX's/Tempest.

DFLion
07-03-2007, 07:41 PM
I hope I can help this situation. I have just about finished a 51 mission semi-historical campaign called 'Long nose Focke-Wulf pilot'.
It will follow a successful German fighter pilot who is taken off the Russian front by Adolf Galland to form a test Staffeln to fly the new Fw190D-9 Dora's.
The Staffeln begins air combat in Normandy eventually withrawing to Paris and Belgium. It then sees combat action over Holland during the Allied operation 'Market-Garden' (A Bridge too Far').
Withrawn to the Ardennes it then supports the German army advance in 'The Battle of the Bulge'.
'Bodenplatte' follows, air protection over Munster, support on the attack on the 'Ludendorf bridge at Remagen', protection of Me262 recon jets, 'Operation Varsity', air protection over Rhine-Hopsten jet fighter base, air protection over Berlin, posted to JV44, Back to Berlin, air protection over Bremen and finally surrender to the Allies at Copenhagen.

The Fw190D-9 is a great plane to fly in IL2,(you need to practice with it) even though it is not equipped with a droppable fuel tank and bombs.
I should be able to get this campaign onto Mission4Today in about 3 weeks - hope this will then help to fill the gap.
DFLion

MrMojok
07-03-2007, 07:55 PM
Oh, bless you, DFLion. You seriously have no idea just how happy this makes me.

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micksaf
07-04-2007, 02:13 AM
Originally posted by DFLion:

I should be able to get this campaign onto Mission4Today in about 3 weeks - hope this will then help to fill the gap.
DFLion

Very good news DFLion, but the "usual deadline" with IL2 normally is "2 weeks be sure" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif