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shoopzee
03-14-2005, 04:20 AM
Was up early this morning..... the SubSim review by Neal is up with screens Dated March 13, 2005 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif. Check it out:

http://www.subsim.com/ssr/sh3_rc1/sh3_review.htm#hint2

shoopzee
03-14-2005, 04:20 AM
Was up early this morning..... the SubSim review by Neal is up with screens Dated March 13, 2005 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif. Check it out:

http://www.subsim.com/ssr/sh3_rc1/sh3_review.htm#hint2

TASKFORCE1x1
03-14-2005, 05:00 AM
Subsim is the true review website. I expect a perfect rating and it did get a perfect rating and Bonus extra credits! SHIII is far beyond what most developers can even handle. Great job dev team and all for if it wasnt for Subsim,Ubi forums, and other sub fans we wouldnt have what we see today! Thankyou ALL! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

RedTerex
03-14-2005, 05:17 AM
Well done Neal from "the other side" lol, that is a great review. With some super screeenies to keep us going for these last few hours/days.

Thanks Neal and to all at SubSim.com for your particular efforts with SH3 as well.
Your website is great and your information regarding SH3 over the last year has been very much appreciated.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v463/RedTerex/clap3.gif Bravo!http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v463/RedTerex/clap3.gif

AND, LOL the Devs must have "picked up " on our previous posts on this forum about Nurses to have included them on the dock side.
Dev Team....Bravo ! to you as well http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v463/RedTerex/clap3.gif

Nieldo
03-14-2005, 05:30 AM
hehe, it is a great review.

I loved that story at the end

Pr0metheus 1962
03-14-2005, 05:46 AM
Here's one aspect of the review that I have an issue with:
"The crew voices are natural and appropriate. In English, the crew speaks good old American English without pseudo-German accents."

Rant mode on!

Since when is American English "natural and appropriate" on a German submarine? I guess if we assume that we have the crew of U-571, it's okay. Personally, as an English player, American accents aren't 'good old' or 'natural and appropriate'. If I want to hear 'natural' English it has to be spoken with a British accent - and for me, it has to be a North Eastern English accent (but not too far North). This is the case for everyone, after all, if a South Carolinian plays the game and the accents are from the Bronx, he's going to notice some weirdness. Presumably the game's accents are 'standard American' (whatever that means), which is fake because it's an accent that only newsreaders use. It's like Oxford English - it's regarded as 'neutral' yet only a few thousand people actually speak it.

I wish Americans could understand that their accent is not neutral (there's no such thing as a neutral accent - no one speaks without an accent), and that to most English speakers an American accent sounds as unnatural and inappropriate as a South African accent would sound to them.

I would have preferred the German accented English. It only sounds 'fake' if you're so insular that you haven't left your native shores. To me, a U-Boat populated by an American crew sounds as fake as the movie U-571. Maybe that's what the developers were going for.

Anyway, it's only going to bother me in theory. In practice I'm going to be hearing only German. I just think it would have been nice for those of us who don't understand German to be able to choose a German crew (who speak English) rather than an American crew pretending they're Germans.

End rant mode.

JG27_Arklight
03-14-2005, 05:50 AM
By natural and appropriate I think he means their voices don't sound wierd like bad voice overs. That they sound realistic and not canned.

Pr0metheus 1962
03-14-2005, 06:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG27_Arklight:
By natural and appropriate I think he means their voices don't sound wierd like bad voice overs. That they sound realistic and not canned. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmm. Maybe you're right. Anyway, to me (from the snippets I've heard) they do sound canned - not because the voice acting is poor, but purely because these guys have no regional accent - they're just Generic American. Like I said, it sounds fake to me - kinda like an English guy putting on an American accent. These guys come from Nowheretown, USA.

Anyway, I don't want to hijack the thread. I'm just ranting. It's a great review, and we learn a lot more about the sim from it.

JG27_Arklight
03-14-2005, 06:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Hmm. Maybe you're right. Anyway, to me (from the snippets I've heard) they do sound canned - not because the voice acting is poor, but purely because these guys have no regional accent - they're just Generic American. Like I said, it sounds fake to me - kinda like an English guy putting on an American accent. These guys come from Nowheretown, USA.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, I agree wholheartedly. Of course, they may have been voices used a while ago. We shall soon find out.

Not that it matters, I'm probably going to end up using the German voices. American voices, no matter how well done will always seem fake to me in a U-Boat.

Nieldo
03-14-2005, 06:17 AM
Beeryus

Dont forget if you want realism, slap the german voice on there http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Solved :P

KnucklesWhite
03-14-2005, 06:19 AM
Hey Beeryus,

I'm not trying to be a cad, but I have an honest question...Do you ever have trouble understanding a 'Neutral American' accent?

RedTerex
03-14-2005, 06:28 AM
"Spotted the ship, Captain"
as opposed to
"Spotted ze shippen, Captain"

and

"ok men, we attack"
but not
"ok you Guys, give zem hell"

is what I think Neal meant by neutral US/English !

I vill be playing with German voices unt de Englisher text, zo it wont bodder me in ze slightest!

KnucklesWhite
03-14-2005, 06:35 AM
I'm going to have to have the English voices (or quickly learn German), lest I blankly stare and scratch my head while my crew is freaking out.

I play IL-2 and other flight sims with native languages, but I have a feeling that a U-boat crew will be a bit more dependent on their captain.

Gah! Who knows, I just want the chance to try it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Dominicrigg
03-14-2005, 06:39 AM
@ red terex : Was that a french impression or german?

Im not either but i feel offended for them!!!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I agree with beeryus for once, but it doesnt bother me too much since i too will be playing in german.

But i disagree on their being no accentless language. Queens english is accentless, like saruman in lord of the rings or shakeperian actors from old movies. English should have been this or german accent english like in indiana jones http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

But again not much matter to me. Its for the large american market no doubt (has horror flashes of American romans in Rome total war and Australian stormtroopers in starwars...)

RedTerex
03-14-2005, 06:40 AM
I would like to add an old adage from Abraham Lincoln (with amendments) for this Sim.

You can please SOME of the people SOME of the time,
You can please ALL of the people SOME of the time,
You can please SOME of the poeple ALL of the time,
but you cant please ALL of the people ALL of the time.

Indeed there will always be some who will not be happy with some aspects of the Sim...thats life and there you have it.

I am personaly delighted with everything I have read and seen in these reviews and am pretty sure that this delight will be maintained when I play the Sim.

Pr0metheus 1962
03-14-2005, 06:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cheapshot:
Hey Beeryus,

I'm not trying to be a cad, but I have an honest question...Do you ever have trouble understanding a 'Neutral American' accent? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, but that's the point, isn't it: neutral accents are developed for the very reason of comprehension. However, it doesn't make them sound natural or real. No real submarine - even an American sub - would have a crew full of standard American speakers. In terms of realism it's the equivalent of expecting a sub crew to have been recruited entirely from one small town so that they all speak with the same accent.

My point is that a standard American accent is about the most unrealistic accent you can get. It's the same as populating the sub with Oxford English speakers. It's just not realistic and it's not necessary. A real crew would have real accents and many men would speak in dialect. If people can't understand a mild accent or a bit of dialect, they need to get out more. I don't see why we should be exposed to political correctness in terms of accents simply because many people can't be bothered to try to understand differences in accent.

KnucklesWhite
03-14-2005, 06:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>In terms of realism it's the equivalent of expecting a sub crew to have been recruited entirely from one small town so that they all speak with the same accent.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hehe...Point taken.

Pr0metheus 1962
03-14-2005, 06:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dominicrigg:
But i disagree on their being no accentless language. Queens english is accentless... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Try telling that to an American. We British may have invented the language (hehe), but the perception of 'accent' is subjective. The more you're used to hearing one, the more it seems to be accent-free. So you get Americans who believe that Standard American is accentless, and you get English folks who think that Oxford English is accentless, and you get Germans who think that Hochdeutsch is accentless, and Spaniards who think that Castilian is accentless. But it's all a matter of perspective - one person's accentless speech is another person's heavy accent.

If Oxford English was accent-free, we'd be able to speak German with it, and a German wouldn't be able to tell us from native German speakers. No accent is truly neutral - if it was, an American speaking standard American could be mistaken for a native Englishman.

Pr0metheus 1962
03-14-2005, 06:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedTerex:
Indeed there will always be some who will not be happy with some aspects of the Sim...thats life and there you have it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would hope that everyone would find something (hopefully something that's not too big http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif) that disappoints. If everything was perfect there'd be nothing left to strive for. Criticism is not a negative attribute. On the contrary, criticism is how we get a great game like SH3. If we found AoD to be fine as is, why would anyone ever develop an SH3?

When I go into rant mode (as I assure you I will on numerous occasions), let's not draw too many radical conclusions from it. It doesn't mean that I hate the sim. In fact it usually means the opposite.

Subsim
03-14-2005, 06:59 AM
I thought it was rather obvious the way I phrased it, "In English, the crew speaks good old American English" that I was poking fun at the way we Americans expect the Queen's tongue to be our own.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Axxent
03-14-2005, 07:26 AM
It would be far too costly to change the voice-overs, so don't expect it to be "fixed" in a patch.

I'm a hybrid (50% French, 50% English) Canadian, so to me... everyone has an accent. It doesn't bother me, and it doesnt affect the gameplay. Besides, I'll be running with German voices and English subtitles.

PoweredBySoy
03-14-2005, 07:27 AM
Even though I've been anxiously awaiting this title... I've never considered myself a hardcore sub-simmer. Although, I have played very many strategy and simulation games in my days.

But getting a score of 100 seems a little suspect and bordering on favortism. No game deserves a perfect score IMHO. Especially a PC game. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif It will be interesting to see what other, less involved, review sites give this game. I guess that's just a perspective from an "outsider".

On the other hand, I can see no better people to review a sub game than the niche community of Subsim.

One thing I did find lacking in the review was technical specifications. Graphical options. RESOLUTION SETTINGS, etc.... A more objective approach to the graphics engine.

But it's hard to say it wasn't a great review with glowing remarks!! Two more days!

Philipscdrw
03-14-2005, 07:53 AM
Two things strike me about the review:

1) you state that 'crossing the Atlantic will take 25 minutes without time compression, so take a book with you' or words to that effect. Do you mean days?

2) Uh... can't remember what it was now.

Regarding the voices: I think that German people talking English would be the most natural voices for the game. If you're German, when a German person speaks to you, you would a) understand what they're saying and b) recognise "Hey, that's a German voice." You're acting as a German captain, so when the crew speaks to you, it should be comprehendable and sounding like the speaker is from Germany. It wouldn't be 'cheesy' if the voice-actor is a German who has lived in England or America for a year or two...