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Celeon999
08-25-2005, 05:24 AM
Ok i agree these are some very very off topic pics. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Just remembered that i have some pics from my time in the army somewhere.

I just wanted to post two of them first but then i decided to post some more just for fun.

The two pics im talking of are footage of my first contact with some u-boat men. (Really nice guys by the way) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Some of the pics were made with an cellphone so dont expect good quality. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif




Only 3 of them were actually u-boat men but it was easy to identify them because they were the funniest guys , always a good joke on their lips.

They were part of an honor formation for the greeting of the turkish primeminister Erdogan. The small guy on his side is chancellor Schr├┬Âder.






One of my best friends , Stefan (in the middle) surrounded by americans! Hold on buddy ! I will take them !
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

We were training them in combat behaviour under ABC conditions.

And boy ! We kicked their @sses ! Really nice guys. I wonder how many of them are in iraq now. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif







Looking over an MG3 at an control post. (Only training http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

"Excuse me, do you have a bomb in your car ?"
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif







Yeah ! give em hell buddy ! There is an invisible helicopter ! Shoot him !








Some training equipment we build for our american comerades. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif







This little thingy is an marder midget tank, it may look rediculous but its a real tank killer !

Very hard to spot , very hard to hit , fast as hell and equipt with heavy anti-tank missiles (the one on this pic has an light missile launcher).

During an NATO exercise 3 of these little ugly frogs took out an whole tank platoon !

But that doesnt mean that these poor guys that command them are save of someone making jokes on them. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif







Thats me !

I just wanted to hug the lovely cannon of this Leopard and so some of these guys decided to lift me up.

You cant imagine the laughter. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif "OPEN FIRE!" "SHOOT HIM TO THE MOON!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif







Always read the manual (You and your Panzerfaust http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ) carefully before you fire your weapon !

An american comerade fires an heavy Panzerfaust.

As you can see he had a little problem holding this thing under control. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

With this aim he only would had hit an airplane.

We told him 3 times : "Be aware ! Thats not one of your little anti tank toys made for blowing up 30 year old russian tanks."

"Thats a REAL weapon made for taking out REAL tanks!" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Can happen to anyone. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif






Some various pics taken during weapons training. They loved our G36 and wanted to trade their old M16 with them. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif







Zapfenstreich with parade uniforms in W├╝rzburg taken by the u.s comerade with the little aiming problem. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif



At least he is a good photographer. Im ... well .. im somewhere in the last line. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
08-25-2005, 07:14 AM
Fotografieren im Kasernengel├┬Ąnde ist streng verboten! Tse, tse, tse...

Celeon999
08-25-2005, 07:27 AM
Ich wei├č , ich wei├č .... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

...sind doch im tiefsten Frieden..... *grummel* http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Dominicrigg
08-25-2005, 07:58 AM
Nice pictures and interesting commentary! Made me grin http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Gunnersman
08-25-2005, 08:00 AM
Cool pics! Thanks! After all, this is a "General Discussion form".
Is that an MG3 in the fourth pic? What does it shoot like? Have you shot the MG42? Does it still vibrate like the MG42? I had an opportunity to shoot the MG42 and it felt like I had a weedeater in my hands when ever I fired it, it vibrated so much.

Celeon999
08-25-2005, 08:58 AM
Is that an MG3 in the fourth pic?

Yep. I never fired an mg42 but i heard that it had a hellish muzzle flash and heavy recoil.

Ok the recoil isnt all to comfortable at MG-3 too but i know that it has been even worse at the mg42 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

There is still vibration in it and i felt v e r y s h a k e y after firing a few hundred shots with it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

But its definitely a hellish weapon i dont want to get into its firing line ever. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

I saw how someone cut a tree in half with a single salvo http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif and if i think about the beginning of "saving private Ryan" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif


But at last it still looks exactly like the old mg42

http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/7416/mg3mitfeldlafette3gb.jpg

U107Wolff
08-25-2005, 09:31 AM
God, I love that MG. Best machinegun I ever fired. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Gunnersman
08-25-2005, 11:32 AM
Nice...looks like the same tripod the MG42 used as well. Thanks!
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

DerKomet
08-25-2005, 12:00 PM
Nice post, so many nice toys there ;D

Here in Portugal we have the MG3 too, it's basically a MG42 converted to standard NATO 7.62mm, has a nice punch, but not as hard as the old 7.92 ^^

Celeon999
08-25-2005, 12:47 PM
Nice...looks like the same tripod the MG42 used as well. Thanks!

There is a good chance that it is an original from WW2 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Those supply guys just put a bit new paint on them and throw them into active units.

I saw a warehouse full with such old stuff. 60 years old but never used.

You can also use old mg42 spare parts to repair the mg3 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I remember a comerade saying "Heh look here what they gave me for repairing those mg-3"

"they said to me : "dont ask. It fits."

He had some spare parts with the eagle and swastika on it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/729/mg35eq.jpg
http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/817/mg327ti.jpg

Celeon999
08-26-2005, 09:46 AM
He are some more ....



They are smiling but the reason for the smile is that they are planning to eat me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif






Night shooting

(I still cant believe that my digicam managed to shoot those pics) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif










At the firing range with the mg-3







http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif He thinks he is Rambo or something ....

Dont tell him that he actually doesnt look dangerous.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif







But wait till he gets the automatic grenade launcher ... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

TAKE COVER !!!

Lukey__b
08-26-2005, 12:15 PM
Thanks for the pics http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Those ones with tracers in the night are beautiful. What produced the straight streaks of light and what about the jaggedy lightening looking ones?

Thanks again.

frog7
08-26-2005, 12:42 PM
Yeah.....Good pictures mate...i like Hardwear the Milatary Kind.

StellarRat
08-26-2005, 01:27 PM
I hate to say this but Germans having torch light ceremonies at night make me nervous. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

None the less, the pictures are pretty cool. That automatic grenade launcher is really cool.

Qbeesh800
08-26-2005, 02:14 PM
Wehrmacht still ready to drang nach osten? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

TheVoodooPriest
08-26-2005, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by StellarRat:
I hate to say this but Germans having torch light ceremonies at night make me nervous. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

None the less, the pictures are pretty cool. That automatic grenade launcher is really cool.

Well, they were there before the 3rd reich, so why shouldn't they afterwards? Actually the "Zapfenstreich" is a military ceremony from the early 19th century.

@Celon
You were with the Warteboullion?

Messervy
08-26-2005, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by StellarRat:
I hate to say this but Germans having torch light ceremonies at night make me nervous. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LOL. I don`t really care about that but I do miss those beautifull helmets.
When I was in the army I got a chance to fire a whole belt with MG 42.
Indescribable.....orgasmic....but it eats ammo at an incredible rate.

Gunnersman
08-26-2005, 07:27 PM
Wow...more cool pics. The fun never ends. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Are you a machinegunner or a wartime correspondent? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Why are you shooting a machine gun at a target from only 20 meteres?

Celeon999
08-27-2005, 01:57 AM
Those ones with tracers in the night are beautiful. What produced the straight streaks of light and what about the jaggedy lightening looking ones?

To be honest , im not sure. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Its only on those pics. In real it looked more like an thunderstorm. But with more thunder than flashes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I think the speed of the ammunition fired was higher than the reaction time of the camera thats why its looking so.




I hate to say this but Germans having torch light ceremonies at night make me nervous.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif You are more nervous when youre standing there. Just be careful with that torch ! Its easy to light the uniform of the men in front of you up when youre not cautious. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



Wehrmacht still ready to drang nach osten?

ehhm..... tsss... uff.... now wheres those instuction manual they gave in case someone asks such questions ?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

wait...

ah here ! ok one moment....

ah yes :

No sir . We dont do this anymore.
If you have more questions please ask someone at the bundeswehr information hotline under 555-Blitzkrieg. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif



Why are you shooting a machine gun at a target from only 20 meteres?


I say just one word : Overkill ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

walterlzw
08-27-2005, 03:00 AM
I'm Chinese and we have torchlight ceremonies.

Gunnersman
08-27-2005, 09:28 AM
Overkill is fun! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Celeon999
08-27-2005, 11:31 AM
He Gunnersman !


I assume youre a helicopter fan right ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Maybe this is something for you

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/1034/tiger13le.jpg
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/7093/tiger31pz.jpg

Celeon999
08-27-2005, 03:38 PM
Now that we are talking about equipment ... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


I fell in love with this one..


Until now we used the u.s made m109 Paladin but now they getting replaced by this new Panzerhaubitze 2000

Remember those Panzerhaubitze Elefant from WW2 ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

(photos not made by me)

It has the 155mm standard for this weapon type but they make experiements with a new type of ammunition with it.

Its able to destroy every tank type in the world with just one hit. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

So who wants to buy some ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


http://img284.imageshack.us/img284/893/pzh2ka5jj.jpg
http://img284.imageshack.us/img284/9510/pzh2kb4bk.jpg

WilhelmSchulz.-
08-27-2005, 05:03 PM
That antitank gun could be a sam???(origanal post)

DerKomet
08-27-2005, 05:28 PM
actually being able to hit a tank on purpouse with a howitzer it's a hell of a lucky shot...
It looks awsome ^^

Gunnersman
08-27-2005, 10:45 PM
Ah yes, the Mangusta.
Thanks again for the pic Celeon999. I wish I had something to put up for you.

I dont think that barrel on that gun is long enough. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


Originally posted by DerKomet:
actually being able to hit a tank on purpouse with a howitzer it's a hell of a lucky shot...
It looks awsome ^^

They make guided munitions you can shoot out of an artillery. I dont know what countries make them but the US used to have one called the "copperhead"...named after a snake.

TheFastFreddie
08-27-2005, 10:46 PM
That looks like a TOW2 on the Marder Midget. If so that can take out any tank. Very nice concept but how many missles does it hold. I used to be a Tow/.50 cal gunner in the US army and can understand how hard it would be to recognize or see that little thing.

Celeon999
08-28-2005, 02:46 AM
Ah yes, the Mangusta.
Thanks again for the pic Celeon999. I wish I had something to put up for you.


Actually it isnt the Mangusta http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Thats the Tiger from Eurocopter.

Attack Helicopter Tiger (http://www.army-technology.com/projects/tiger/)

That on those two pics was the prototype. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I saw the one of series model perform an flight show here in Berlin-Sch├┬Ânefeld at the ILA (Internationale Luftfahrt Ausstellung)

They made incredible stunts with this thing.

I didnt know that an helicopter is able to perform a full looping ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif Or an Immelmann,

(and i dont mean an reverse immelmann) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif It was even flying overhead for a few seconds



actually being able to hit a tank on purpouse with a howitzer it's a hell of a lucky shot...
It looks awsome ^^

Its actually an anti tank platform and an mobile artillery.

The gun will be aimed direct at the enemy tank.
But it heard also things about guided grenades. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I heard from a friend that they tested the gun on an old T-72 ripping the tower from it and threw it about 25 meters through the air http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif




That looks like a TOW2 on the Marder Midget. If so that can take out any tank. Very nice concept but how many missles does it hold. I used to be a Tow/.50 cal gunner in the US army and can understand how hard it would be to recognize or see that little thing.


Yes quite possible that it is an TOW2. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif But i dont know how many missiles it can carry.

They are also used as recon vehicles. The engine is astounding quiet http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif



And he what about this ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Our version of the Landwarrior system (http://www.army-technology.com/projects/idz/)


Imagine you are in a trench , getting bored.

Then you switch on you little TFT that comes with IDZ and play SH-3 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

FELDWEBEL : "ENEMY APPROACHING !"

YOU : "WHERE ?"

YOU : "**** WEATHER ! I CANT SEE ANYTHING THROUGH THAT PERISCOPE !"

FELDWEBEL : "PERISCOPE ???"

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

joeap
08-28-2005, 03:24 AM
Great pics Celeon, how long did you stay in the army, was it your obligatory service two years isn't it?

Celeon999
08-28-2005, 04:12 AM
Only 11 months http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif But i came around a lot. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

As far as i know its only 9 or 10 months by now.

At least i heard that they are discussing to lower the Wehrdienst to 9 months only.

Celeon999
08-28-2005, 07:47 AM
but I do miss those beautifull helmets.



Theyre great for collecting !

Here is my latest finding , an M40 Wehrmacht helmet in field grey.

Looks like he was once overpainted in snow camouflage and then in normal grey green wood camouflage.

Maybe east front and later normandy ? Not sure.

It has the producer marking Q which stands for the firm Quist from Esslingen. Produced between 1940 and 1942.


http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/2503/helm7bl.jpg

Gunnersman
08-28-2005, 09:32 AM
Originally posted by Celeon999:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Ah yes, the Mangusta.
Thanks again for the pic Celeon999. I wish I had something to put up for you.


Actually it isnt the Mangusta http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Thats the Tiger from Eurocopter.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I knew that! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

julien673
08-28-2005, 12:53 PM
nice pic http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

But, its is true the leopard is the best tank in the world ( in service ) ?

Celeon999
08-28-2005, 01:04 PM
Hard to say , the Leopard 2 Version A6-EX is for sure one of the best battle tanks in the world but whos number can no one really say.

Maybe place 1 is shared by several tanks.

The only thing thats sure is that he is the newest of all battle tanks in the world.

Leopard 2 @ army-technology.com (http://www.army-technology.com/projects/leopard/)



http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/2691/leopard2a60md.jpg

julien673
08-28-2005, 03:19 PM
tks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Gunnersman
08-28-2005, 03:51 PM
All of the top-of-the-line MBT's from the major countries are comparable. If it came down to a head to head test, it comes down to whoever sees the other guy first and gets the first shot off.
They all use very similar armor (with exception of Russian and China), very similar fire control systems, and many use the same guns, like the Challenger, Abrams, Leopard (or at least the same manufacturer).

DerKomet
08-28-2005, 05:57 PM
Fortunatly (or unfortunatly), recent top notch weaponry has barely seen real combat that could demand all theyr capacities. For example, the F-22... it is yet to come a war where the F-22 is going to see some hot air-air action.

The_Silent_O
08-30-2005, 07:50 AM
Cel999

"Never-fear, the Bundeswehr!"

Love the Tattoo Ceremony in Wurzburg, I can't count the times I've been in that Palace...I thought you were in Berlin?

anyways, I've been on two weeks leave so I haven't been around.

I used to be good friends with our Bundeswehr liaison officer, on the weekends we used to play strategy war games (on boards, not computers) and drink beer and Main Wine.

Celeon999
08-30-2005, 08:51 AM
Love the Tattoo Ceremony in Wurzburg, I can't count the times I've been in that Palace...I thought you were in Berlin?

They ask you if you would like to be stationed near your hometown when you join.

If you say yes : You get stationed anywhere but not in the near of your home.

If you say no : Its the same. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I know some guys that were living in Berlin and were stationed somewhere in bavaria and others living in bavaria were stationed near Berlin. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



Bundeswehr logic. I love it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

P.s: We were playing Counter-Strike and Starcraft with our american comerades http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Or simply poker or skat.

He ive noticed you americans cant take too much alcohol he ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The_Silent_O
08-30-2005, 09:19 AM
Originally posted by Celeon999:

He ive noticed you americans cant take too much alcohol he ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hey...German beer is strong and comes in larger quantities!!!!

And the american army is trying to cut back on drinking as well as smoking with it's troops...

I have a great picture of me at Grafenwohr...I'll have to dig it up someday and scan it. Take care!

Bubblehead1948
08-30-2005, 06:28 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Wonderfull. Particularly the MG3 photos.

Celeon999
08-31-2005, 02:25 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Thank you all for your positive feedback. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

If i come across some other pics that might be interesting i will post them.

Celeon999
09-03-2005, 10:36 AM
Just cruised around the Brothers in Arms Forums and found this nice video there for you mg42 fans http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Firing an mg42 (http://www.cvcycles.com/jetfixer/Movies/MG42onTripod.wmv)

The mg3 sounds exactly the same. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

But afterall i would say this IS an mg3. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Its obvious that it has at last the new muzzle flash suppressor of the mg3 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Gunnersman
09-03-2005, 10:50 AM
HOOOLYYYYY ****!
I wonder how many barrels that guy went through.
He looks like he really gets into with the uniform and all. I'd keep an eye on that guy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Celeon999
09-03-2005, 11:12 AM
He looks like he really gets into with the uniform and all

But he doesnt look all to fit to me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

vanjast
09-03-2005, 12:03 PM
Here's a lucky survivor from the war zone..

Head Banger (http://games.saix.net/cgi-bin/sgsbb/ikonboard.cgi?s=d03c56574d0cf13096f082a6ec408a9c;a ct=ST;f=194;t=28489)

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Celeon999
09-03-2005, 12:32 PM
Ouch ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

This must be the reason why my instructing Feldwebel once told me :

"use a mirror to look out of the trench when youre not sure whats on the other side!"

"Its better to loose some fingers than your entire head!" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Celeon999
09-06-2005, 11:42 AM
Who wants one ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Just 1150 Euros !

MG-42 auction @ Egun.de (http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=566780)

WilhelmSchulz.-
09-06-2005, 12:10 PM
Waht the ****!!! DAMMM!!!

Celeon999
09-06-2005, 12:18 PM
Here is another one.

335 Euros by now.

Auction 2 (http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=565034)

But its not in the best condition. Looks like it was found in a sea and some parts are missing.

Gunnersman
09-06-2005, 01:27 PM
I went to a machine gun shoot a few years back, where you pay to shoot MG's. It was fun.
They guy I went to shoot the MG42 had a couple of 42's and 34's.
I see them everywhere now. Its seems the MG42 is making a come back. They are not as rare as they used to be.

One day...yes...one day I to will own an MG42.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Celeon999
09-07-2005, 11:37 AM
Well, ive got no mg42 but now that ive managed to gather the correct spare parts ,i going to fire some shots with my K98k at the weekend http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/6/dsc000017re.jpg

Celeon999
09-17-2005, 09:17 AM
As promised here are some more pics.

The first two pics are from me the others were made by some friends of mine.

You will notice that some pics are much better ,off course they are better, my friend Karsten is an professional photographer (peace time correspondent if you like) and makes official pics for the austrian Bundesheer public relations department.



Me (on the right) full camouflaged.




I fit good into the background dont i ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif





These were taken during Operation European Challenge in Bergen, Norway by my friend Martin.













And here he is with his boys in Berchtesgaden. (photographed from a pic on the wall) How can someone have so much luck with his stationing ??? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
One day ..... yeah one day.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif





Ahhhhh here they are ... So thats what new recruits look like in austria. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Im glad to see that not all of these fighting Fr├┬Ąuleins are Mannsweiber (hmm what would this be in english ?) Ok i have to admit that there are some Mannsweiber on those pics too. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


But at least there are some fighting beauties among them.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif
Man i would like to go into some close combat pratice with some of them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif


All my attemps to get into the liason team were fruitless. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif.....We need to get austria back in the Reich....... ehhhhm anyway ... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/3159/soldatinnen10td.jpg

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/3830/soldatinnen26fd.jpg






Here are some other pics from our austrian comerades. Propably Gebirgsj├┬Ąger and Panzergrenadiere. Hes really a pro isnt he ?

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/6579/p101002524lw.jpg

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/8279/scharfschuetze0sy.jpg

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/6828/img25252mp.jpg

julien673
09-17-2005, 10:13 AM
How u can shot at her ??? They know how to win http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif


And thanks for the less beauthifull pic http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Gunnersman
09-17-2005, 10:48 AM
Oh cool! More pics...and with chicks this time! Those are Austrian? Im going to have to go join the Austrian Army.

Mannsweiber...Lesbian? Is that what that means or more accuratley...Bull ****?
Isnt that such a waste? Especially the hot ones.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

You guys look like real badasses with your glasses on. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Blue bullets with the MG3? Are those simunitions? (paint bullets?)

Celeon999
09-17-2005, 11:01 AM
Mannsweiber...Lesbian? Is that what that means or more accuratley...Bull ****?


Something like a male women http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Blue bullets with the MG3? Are those simunitions? (paint bullets?)

Blank cartridges.

Blue means harmless

Red youre dead. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Can you imagine a P.O.W. camp guarded by such angels ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

I SURRENDER !!! Use your worst torture methodes on me i will tell you everything you want to know. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Gunnersman
09-17-2005, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by Celeon999:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Mannsweiber...Lesbian? Is that what that means or more accuratley...Bull ****?


Something like a male women http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep! Same thing. A lesbian is attracted to other women. A Bull ****...well they are attracted to women as well and they could probably kick your butt too.

WilhelmSchulz.-
09-17-2005, 11:48 AM
Yea but think of the http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif....... nevermind.

Gunnersman
09-17-2005, 06:53 PM
No...no, Id rather not. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

The_Silent_O
09-17-2005, 09:17 PM
Okay...off the orientation topic, But...

CEL999,
Are you Savvy enough to know what their rank and branch of service are? (On the female soldiers)

By the 2 pips on some of their epaulettes, I'm thinking they are Lieutenants?

I'm thinking they are signal or nursing?

jooo9
09-17-2005, 10:42 PM
Ooo... the G36... me love Heckler & Koch.

The marder was also the name of a small German tank destroyer in WWII.

Very nice pics.

Celeon999
09-18-2005, 03:18 AM
CEL999,
Are you Savvy enough to know what their rank and branch of service are? (On the female soldiers)


Ok thats not easy i made some research but i am not 100 % sure :

Those with the 2 white stars are Korporale (Corporales)
because of the color these must be NBC-Defence soldiers. Those with one white star are Gefreite (Privates). Also NBC-Defence.

The one on the far left on the second pic is an Major (Medical Corps) maybe an doctor.

The blonde girl directly above that one that looks into the camera is an Unteroffizier. Rank : Wachtmeister (Luftwaffe).


But i have to admit that im absolutely not sure.
I just know that some of them are beautiful http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

The_Silent_O
09-18-2005, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by Celeon999:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">CEL999,
Are you Savvy enough to know what their rank and branch of service are? (On the female soldiers)


Ok thats not easy i made some research but i am not 100 % sure :

Those with the 2 white stars are Korporale (Corporales)
because of the color these must be NBC-Defence soldiers. Those with one white star are Gefreite (Privates). Also NBC-Defence.

The one on the far left on the second pic is an Major (Medical Corps) maybe an doctor.

The blonde girl directly above that one that looks into the camera is an Unteroffizier. Rank : Wachtmeister (Luftwaffe).


But i have to admit that im absolutely not sure.
I just know that some of them are beautiful http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

CEL999,

Thanks,...most of them are definately striking and germanic...reminds me of my tours in Germany.

I'm always curious as to how other nations use women in the military. It's essentially everything but infantry and armor here in the usa (and subs in our navy) that exclude women.

...Now I'm wondering if these were Austrian volunteers or is it manditory conscription, like in Germany, where everybody had to do some military service.

...and what was your specialty in the German Army? Gefieter? (spelling may be off)

Me...Pioneer Offizier (as you know already if you've been reading the posts here)

Celeon999
09-19-2005, 02:05 AM
Now I'm wondering if these were Austrian volunteers or is it manditory conscription, like in Germany, where everybody had to do some military service.

Oh our army girls are all volunteers. I think thats the same in austria. The conscription includes only men.

Now they discuss about introducing an "social year" for all young people above 18 here.

So young people must accomplish it but can choose want they want to do. Go into the army or do this social year.

In these 12 months they make social jobs that benefit the community like working in an post office or an hospital , helping old people and such stuff.

(Off course they get paid for it but not very much)

Other european countries already have something like this.




...and what was your specialty in the German Army? Gefieter? (spelling may be off)

Gefreiter http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Panzergrenadier

I think mechanized heavy infantry would describe it best.

Supporting tank attacks , fighting enemy tanks and infantry.

Im one these guys that are kicking so much @ss in "Band of Brothers" DVD Number 4 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

SnailRunner
09-19-2005, 02:59 AM
about the MG42 and MG3 / MG62 Denmark)I have been shooting woth both. MG42 kills your shoulder and then your head and then the rest of your body when you have fired 150-200 rounds...it kicks like a horse on epo

The MG3 is not bad, my opinion is that the H&k G2-3 kicks as hard on full auto. The buffer on the MG3 is werry good and if you hold it tight to the shoulder its not bad at all

The G36 is every soldiers dream weapon, its light good acuracy and looks darn cool, and its produced with a soldiers opinion on what easy maintenance should be (was lucky to have it for loan on a exercise in Germany)

In Denmark they favoured the Canadian C-7 for the G-36 (price) so we got the replica M-16, its a good weapon, but it aint beating the G-36

And yes the marder is a darn bloody tank killer..we lost 3 tanks to those small freaking hit and race cars lol.....no matter what the Germans have some cool stuff and im just happy that im able to work toghter with them on nato exercises...darn fine soldiers with some of the coolest hardware in europe...and both nations (Denmark / Germany) have soldiers that realy can drink some beer

Celeon999
09-19-2005, 10:10 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Now the only thing we need additionaly is an goverment.

Because at the moment we dont have one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Somehow a strange but also good feeling.

Its like we would have put all politicians and lawyers on a huge truck and drove them into the desert. Where they belong. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The_Silent_O
09-19-2005, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by Celeon999:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Now the only thing we need additionaly is an goverment.

Because at the moment we dont have one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Somehow a strange but also good feeling.

Its like we would have put all politicians and lawyers on a huge truck and drove them into the desert. Where they belong. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Congrats on NOT having a government! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Does that mean there is no law either? PARTY! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

...I would be able to watch the scene that you referred to in 'Band of Brothers'...but the **** movers in my last move ripped off the whole set http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

I got my money back but haven't purchased the set again yet?

WilhelmSchulz.-
09-19-2005, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by The_Silent_O:
...I would be able to watch the scene that you referred to in 'Band of Brothers'...but the **** movers in my last move ripped off the whole set http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif Ohhhhh. That sucks. But are u shure u didnt lose it?(missplace it)

Gunnersman
09-19-2005, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by The_Silent_O:

...I would be able to watch the scene that you referred to in 'Band of Brothers'...but the **** movers in my last move ripped off the whole set http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

I got my money back but haven't purchased the set again yet?

My condolences brother....I think we should have a moment of silence for your lost "Band of Brothers" set..... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
.
.
.
.


Love that mini-series. Wish I didnt leave it at home. Although, I just did get the Das Boot Uncut version for my birthday. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Celeon999
09-20-2005, 02:25 AM
Congrats on NOT having a government! Does that mean there is no law either? PARTY!


http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Law is still there.

Although i must admit that ive played with the idea of start some looting and laying some fires http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

But somehow i couldnt mobilize the masses and it would look rediculous if im the only one on the streets that loots and lays fires while everybody else looks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif at me. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

"Whats wrong with him http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif"

I think it will take a while till we have a new gov.

Imagine that your democrats and republicans would see themselves forced to fusion to a single goverment. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Thats the situation now here. Totally opposite parties have to form a goverment together now and as you can imagine they dont like the idea of working together with their worst enemy at all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Hach! Where are those days ?

Look. Isnt it a cute pic ? All politicians agree with each other.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/3280/reichstag012vz.jpg

Even the opposition agrees with the goverment administration. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

All are happy.

Behind the scenes theyre hugging each other and saying :

"YOU are in the opposition but YOU are a wonderful person ! I like your political ideas."


http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

julien673
09-20-2005, 06:44 AM
its this the Chaplin movie.. its call the Dictator ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Celeon999
09-20-2005, 06:47 AM
Nope. Its an original pic from the Reichstag.

But i know what you mean. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

jagtigermk2
09-20-2005, 07:30 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/badges-regt/badge-regiment-sas.gif

Celeon999
09-20-2005, 10:42 AM
By the way


Heres another one

Look (http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=578890) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Or what about this ? (http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=544608) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

30 meters is too close for you ? No problem ! (http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=581476) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

julien673
09-20-2005, 11:12 AM
in 45.. its was 100m, and i think some projet was at 200m


ANd the sound is so beauthilfull when you see this weapon..( sarcasm )

Nighstalker
09-24-2005, 11:42 PM
Originally posted by Celeon999:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Congrats on NOT having a government! Does that mean there is no law either? PARTY!


http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Law is still there.

Although i must admit that ive played with the idea of start some looting and laying some fires http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

But somehow i couldnt mobilize the masses and it would look rediculous if im the only one on the streets that loots and lays fires while everybody else looks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif at me. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

"Whats wrong with him http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif"

I think it will take a while till we have a new gov.

Imagine that your democrats and republicans would see themselves forced to fusion to a single goverment. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Thats the situation now here. Totally opposite parties have to form a goverment together now and as you can imagine they dont like the idea of working together with their worst enemy at all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Hach! Where are those days ?

Look. Isnt it a cute pic ? All politicians agree with each other.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/3280/reichstag012vz.jpg

Even the opposition agrees with the goverment administration. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

All are happy.

Behind the scenes theyre hugging each other and saying :

"YOU are in the opposition but YOU are a wonderful person ! I like your political ideas."


http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

thank you, thank you so much for that laugh you just gave me

Celeon999
09-25-2005, 02:52 AM
thank you, thank you so much for that laugh you just gave me

Somehow this sounds a bit ironic http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Gunnersman
09-25-2005, 10:08 AM
Originally posted by Celeon999:
By the way


Heres another one

Look (http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=578890) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Or what about this ? (http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=544608) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

30 meters is too close for you ? No problem ! (http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=581476) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Wow! They did a good job on all of the replicas.
It would be great if the Panzerfausts were spring loaded. I would never put it down. I'd dig a fox hole in my yard, pile foliage around it and "shoot" every "Sherman" (car) that drove by my corner. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Gunnersman
09-25-2005, 10:11 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif


Originally posted by Celeon999:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Congrats on NOT having a government! Does that mean there is no law either? PARTY!


http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Law is still there.

Although i must admit that ive played with the idea of start some looting and laying some fires http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

But somehow i couldnt mobilize the masses and it would look rediculous if im the only one on the streets that loots and lays fires while everybody else looks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif at me. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

"Whats wrong with him http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif"

I think it will take a while till we have a new gov.

Imagine that your democrats and republicans would see themselves forced to fusion to a single goverment. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Thats the situation now here. Totally opposite parties have to form a goverment together now and as you can imagine they dont like the idea of working together with their worst enemy at all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Hach! Where are those days ?

Look. Isnt it a cute pic ? All politicians agree with each other.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/3280/reichstag012vz.jpg

Even the opposition agrees with the goverment administration. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

All are happy.

Behind the scenes theyre hugging each other and saying :

"YOU are in the opposition but YOU are a wonderful person ! I like your political ideas."


http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ha! A good laugh indeed! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Lets just hope they dont decide to agree. Brrrr! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Celeon999
10-03-2005, 04:15 AM
Here we go again http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Look what ive managed to photograph yesterday at the Bundeswehr "day of the open door".


As you might already know .. this is my favourite tank-hunter and heavy mobile artillery in the world and finally i was able
to take a close look at this PzH 2000. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



If youre sitting in a tank ,looking out and see this......
You can kiss it goodbye. The armor that could save your life from 155 mm hasnt been invented yet. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif





I was also inside and saw the fully automatic reloading system.

The operator just has to put some grenades into the mag and push some buttons.

All this computer and LCD Touchscreen stuff inside makes you feel youre in a space shuttle and not in an tank. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

And once again very comfortable chairs. Looks like this is going to be the new trend. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

4 seconds for reloading isnt bad heh ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Unfortunatly photographing inside wasnt allowed. You can buy interior pics but they were quite expensive. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif


Here are some other pics of the Panzerhaubitze 2000 a friend made last month at another event.

The basic design of the Panzerhaubitze Elefant from WW2 or Ferdinand how it was called also (the name of its creator) is clear to see. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

By the way : If you want to take a look at an PzH Elefant you can see one in the Aberdeen Proving Grounds in Maryland and another in the Kubinka museum in moscow. These are the only 2 that are left.

Only very few had been build and all others were destroyed in the greatest tank battle in history at Kursk.

Gunnersman
10-03-2005, 10:23 AM
Thanks again Celeon. More good pics.
It does have a very similar silhouette to Ferdinand. Interesting.
It was designed with a similar purpose in mind? Was the inspiration for PzH 2000 the Ferdinand?

Celeon999
10-03-2005, 11:15 AM
It was designed with a similar purpose in mind? Was the inspiration for PzH 2000 the Ferdinand?

Mainly it is an mobile artillery. Ferdinand was build as an tank hunter only.

The main problem with the Ferdinand was its high production costs and its insufficient engine power for an tank of its size.

It would had cost even more money if its gun would had been conceptionized to function as an artillery too. (There were enough other mobile artillery types)

The tank hunting element of the PzH 2000 is an welcome side effect. The PzH 2000 has a fire range of 40 kilometers and 155mm explosive grenades, fired in an ballistical curve have hellish fire power.

Now imagine the gun aimed directly at an enemy tank at much closer range. Lets say 1000 meters.

With the same punch and speed that delivers an artillery grenade over 40 kilometers it fires an armor breaking grenade of the same caliber on tanks. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

No modern reactive armor can take this. One hit one kill. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I have a photo in one of my books where you can see the remnants of an T-34 after it was hit by an Ferdinand. Only the upside down turned tower makes clear that this rubble was once a tank. I will photograph and post it by tomorrow.

Ive heard that they test fired an Pzh 2000 on an old T-72. Photos and Video footage of results are secret but a friend of mine who works at the firing range as an fire fighter told me the T-72 was completely ripped into pieces.

The tower was flying about 20 meters through the air and parts of the tank tracks and the engine were found in about 80 meters distance. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

The effect was much more destructive than the engineers expected. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

WirMussen
10-03-2005, 11:41 AM
seeing as im not goin to start a topic just to show you guys these pics, il post the here.

the last one is the one i really wanted to show yas, but i found the others whilst looking for it.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b158/WirMussen/1.jpg
bismark
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b158/WirMussen/2.jpg
bismark
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b158/WirMussen/3.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b158/WirMussen/4.jpg



PS. awesome pics Celeon999, nice touch of humour aswel http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

The_Silent_O
10-03-2005, 12:18 PM
Germans..., conering the market on high powered guns and the high powered automobiles!

My new BMW 3 is coming in less than a month! It should be quick enough to dodge a PzH 2000 round!

Acunnon
10-03-2005, 12:24 PM
That last one looks like an Iowa, I might be wrong but looks like either the Wisconsin or the Missouri.

Gunnersman
10-03-2005, 12:34 PM
ARRG! ARRG! ARRG! MORE FIREPOWER! (thats my Tim "The Toolman" Taylor impersonation by the way)

Love those pics WirMussen.

Celeon, have you seen that video clip of the Javelin ATGM test fire on the T-72? It has the top down attack capability. Brutal. It left a debri pattern similar to that of your PzH 2000 on the T-72.

WilhelmSchulz.-
10-03-2005, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by WirMussen:
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b158/WirMussen/3.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b158/WirMussen/4.jpg Thoes are a Iowa Class Battleship.

norwegianwiking
10-03-2005, 03:45 PM
The Bundesheer! Is it just me, or has the yanks more or less nicked the flecktarn camo?
Seen marines in what looks ALOT like flecktarn.

Sweet pics mate. Winter exercises in my dear vaterland Norway, were you there? I'll give it a good 50\50 odds you've been to Norway some time? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

The Germans invaded norway in 1940, and have been invading us every summer since http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Jose.MaC
10-03-2005, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by Celeon999:

Now they discuss about introducing an "social year" for all young people above 18 here.

So young people must accomplish it but can choose want they want to do. Go into the army or do this social year.

In these 12 months they make social jobs that benefit the community like working in an post office or an hospital , helping old people and such stuff.

(Off course they get paid for it but not very much)

Other european countries already have something like this.


Spain used to have this "Social Year", know as a "Social Service", untill the conscription was ended (late '90). Theoretically, it served to social purposes, and was focused to people who had conscience objection about military service. Since I was unable to join the Universitary Militia -wanted to be a liutenant, what's the matter?-, I joined "Social Service". They put me to work for a NGO. This NGO turned to be a way to introduce money to a political party. So at the end, I lose my time doing nothing and getting bored in my own city http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Acunnon
10-03-2005, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by WilhelmSchulz.-:
Thoes are a Iowa Class Battleship.

I know there Iowa I was trying to figure out which Iowa it is http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Celeon999
10-04-2005, 02:53 AM
Germans..., conering the market on high powered guns and the high powered automobiles!

My new BMW 3 is coming in less than a month! It should be quick enough to dodge a PzH 2000 round!

You americans should understand this, we like big guns you like big cars. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

One advise : Enjoy the smell inside your new car. Nothing smells better than a fresh manufactured BMW.

And once again you will find the seats very comfortable. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif




Celeon, have you seen that video clip of the Javelin ATGM test fire on the T-72? It has the top down attack capability. Brutal. It left a debri pattern similar to that of your PzH 2000 on the T-72.


Nope.

But hitting an tank on his topside always makes the worst damage imagineable. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Well the times in which someone had the safest place on the battlefield by sitting in an tank are once and for all over i guess.



The Bundesheer! Is it just me, or has the yanks more or less nicked the flecktarn camo?
Seen marines in what looks ALOT like flecktarn.

Sweet pics mate. Winter exercises in my dear vaterland Norway, were you there? I'll give it a good 50\50 odds you've been to Norway some time?

Well, the u.s marines in WW 2 introduced a camouflage looking quite similar to that one the Waffen SS already used since some years.

That caused some friendly fire incidents in normandy so they soon changed them back to the old uniforms.

But the marines who fought in the pacific against the japanese kept them.

The Flecktarn of today is almost the same like the Waffen SS Erbsentarn so we all look like Waffen SS soldiers today. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif


The pics were taken by a friend of mine. Ive never been in norway but its on my list for places i would like to visit in the near future. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Heard many times how beautiful it is there and many storys about those beautiful norwegian girls. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Ive read a lot from good ol Teddy Suhren who was commander of the u-boat flotilla in norway.

------------------------------------------------




Here are the promised pics



This T-34 was hit by an tank hunter Ferdinand propably with an high explosive grenade that pierced through the armor and exploded in the interior.

In the middle you can see the engine.

http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/5752/t43rubble4qz.jpg


These are the remnants of an Ferdinand which was destroyed in the tank battle at Kursk.

Its tracks were damaged by a mine and it was destroyed by several tank shells afterwards.

http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/8959/ferdinand7ac.jpg


Here is another pic of the Pzh 2000 ive found on the internet.

http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/8489/bwpzhb2000155ty.jpg

Ive noticed that the chassis of the Pzh looks more like the one from the "insane" project Panzerkampfwagen Maus (much smaller of course) than those from the Ferdinand.

So at least the Maus chassis design (although designed a lot smaller) gets finally its reputation after 60 years of beeing called an insane idea. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/6466/maus015oz.jpg
http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/4193/maus026ir.jpg
http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/7566/maus037gx.jpg

Gunnersman
10-04-2005, 07:58 PM
Ha! The "Mouse"! There was nothing small on that tank! A big gun (120mm was huge in those days) a big Coax gun (20mm, huge also) and just big all around.
Too bad it was slower than molasses in January.
But still cool!

Kaiser_W
10-05-2005, 01:11 AM
Very nice, especially nice to see the old Mausers. I have an M48 myself. I bought my old man one too..

Kaiser_W
10-05-2005, 01:20 AM
Originally posted by Gunnersman:
Ha! The "Mouse"! There was nothing small on that tank! A big gun (120mm was huge in those days) a big Coax gun (20mm, huge also) and just big all around.
Too bad it was slower than molasses in January.
But still cool!

I beleive the main gun was 128MM and the coax was a 75mm, but feekl free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Celeon999
10-05-2005, 02:48 AM
A big gun (120mm was huge in those days) a big Coax gun (20mm, huge also)



I beleive the main gun was 128MM and the coax was a 75mm, but feekl free to correct me if I'm wrong.


I have a 150 mm KWK 44 main gun , a 75 mm coax gun and two 7,92 mm mg-34 for the Maus here in my book. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

But its quite possible that plans with different weaponery existed for it. But the 2 finally build had 150 mm. The heaviest tank weapon in WW2 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif 7 others were in production.


I believe its the same gun the tank hunter version of the Tiger known as Jagdtiger had.

And the 88 mm gun of tiger was already an living nightmare http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif .......

Those engineers are never satisfied. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Still trying to find information about the thickness of its armor.


But the project called Ratte was really insane :

Here are some specs :



Land cruiser Panzer 1000 "Ratte" or (Rat)

Weight: 900000-1000000kg (1000 tons)
Crew: - unknown
Engine: 2 x MAN V12Z32-44 U-boat Diesels / 24-cylinder / 2 x 8500hp
8 x Daimler-Benz MB501 Diesels / 20-cylinder / 8 x 2000 hp
Speed: Road: 40km/h
Cross-Country: --km/h
Range: Road: ---km
Cross-Country: ---km
Fuel Capacity: --- litres
Lenght: 35.00m
Width: 14.00m
Height: 11.00m
Armament: 2 x 280mm SK.C/34 L/54.4 (Ship artillery the bismarck used !!!)
1 x 128mm Kanone
8 x 20mm Flak 38
2 x 15mm Mauser MG 151/15

Ammo: -- rounds
Armor (mm/angle): Turret Front: 360mm / ?
Turret Side: 220mm / ?
Turret Rear: ? / ?
Turret Top: 150mm / ?

Here is a small english description ive found :

On June 23rd of 1942, Dir. Dip. Ing. Grote (along with Dr.Hacker) from the Ministry of Armament, who was responsible for the production of U-Boots suggested the development of a tank with a weight of 1000 tons. Adolf Hitler himself expressed interest in this project and allowed Krupp to go ahead with it. Project was designated as Krupp P 1000 (Ratte - Rat). This "land cruiser" would be 35 meters long, 14 meters wide and 11 meters high. P 1000 would be equipped with 3.6 meters wide tracks per side made of three 1.2 meters tracks, similar to those used in excavators working in coalmines. It was planned to power P 1000 with two MAN V12Z32/44 24 cylinder Diesel marine engines with total power of 17000hp (2 x 8500hp) or with eight Daimler-Benz MB501 20 cylinder Diesel marine engines with total power of 16000hp (8 x 2000hp). According to the calculations it would allow P 1000 to travel at maximum speed of 40km/h. P 1000 would be armed with a variety of weapons such as: two 280mm gun (naval gun used in Scharnhorst and Gneisenau warships), single 128mm gun, eight 20mm Flak 38 anti-aircraft guns and two 15mm Mauser MG 151/15 gun.

In December of 1942, Krupp created new design of 1500 ton tank - P 1500. It frontal armor would be 250mm thick and it would be armed with 800mm super heavy mortar "Dora" type and possibly two 150mm artillery pieces. P 1500 would be powered by two or four submarine diesel engines. In early 1943, Albert Speer cancelled both projects. P 1000 turret ended up at coastal defence battery (Batterie Oerlander) near Trondheim, Norway.

Even before P 1000 and P 1500, in 1939, Krupp began working on other similar projects for projected series of self-propelled coastal guns for the German Navy - Kriegsmarine. Series was to include 14 different platforms designated from R1 to R14. Armament was to range from 150mm to 380mm and it was to be mounted on fully traversible turntables on tracked carriages. One of the designs was R2 coastal gun armed with 280mm gun. The series never left drawing boards.

Gunnersman
10-05-2005, 02:45 PM
Kaiser.W you are right...128mm, the same as Jagdtiger. (I knew something wasnt right when I typed it).
But a 75mm Coax!? I thought 20mm was too much! Whats the point of that? I guess thats all you really need to take out a T34.
I think the Mause was basically a rolling pillbox. Something designed to take on the Soviet swarm. Too little too late.

I think you are right too Celeon999. Different ideas to try different things.

Gunnersman
10-05-2005, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by Celeon999:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> A big gun (120mm was huge in those days) a big Coax gun (20mm, huge also)



I beleive the main gun was 128MM and the coax was a 75mm, but feekl free to correct me if I'm wrong.


I have a 150 mm KWK 44 main gun , a 75 mm coax gun and two 7,92 mm mg-34 for the Maus here in my book. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

But its quite possible that plans with different weaponery existed for it. But the 2 finally build had 150 mm. The heaviest tank weapon in WW2 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif 7 others were in production.


I believe its the same gun the tank hunter version of the Tiger known as Jagdtiger had.

And the 88 mm gun of tiger was already an living nightmare http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif .......

Those engineers are never satisfied. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Still trying to find information about the thickness of its armor.


But the project called Ratte was really insane :

Here are some specs :



Land cruiser Panzer 1000 "Ratte" or (Rat)

Weight: 900000-1000000kg (1000 tons)
Crew: - unknown
Engine: 2 x MAN V12Z32-44 U-boat Diesels / 24-cylinder / 2 x 8500hp
8 x Daimler-Benz MB501 Diesels / 20-cylinder / 8 x 2000 hp
Speed: Road: 40km/h
Cross-Country: --km/h
Range: Road: ---km
Cross-Country: ---km
Fuel Capacity: --- litres
Lenght: 35.00m
Width: 14.00m
Height: 11.00m
Armament: 2 x 280mm SK.C/34 L/54.4 (Ship artillery the bismarck used !!!)
1 x 128mm Kanone
8 x 20mm Flak 38
2 x 15mm Mauser MG 151/15

Ammo: -- rounds
Armor (mm/angle): Turret Front: 360mm / ?
Turret Side: 220mm / ?
Turret Rear: ? / ?
Turret Top: 150mm / ?

Here is a small english description ive found :

On June 23rd of 1942, Dir. Dip. Ing. Grote (along with Dr.Hacker) from the Ministry of Armament, who was responsible for the production of U-Boots suggested the development of a tank with a weight of 1000 tons. Adolf Hitler himself expressed interest in this project and allowed Krupp to go ahead with it. Project was designated as Krupp P 1000 (Ratte - Rat). This "land cruiser" would be 35 meters long, 14 meters wide and 11 meters high. P 1000 would be equipped with 3.6 meters wide tracks per side made of three 1.2 meters tracks, similar to those used in excavators working in coalmines. It was planned to power P 1000 with two MAN V12Z32/44 24 cylinder Diesel marine engines with total power of 17000hp (2 x 8500hp) or with eight Daimler-Benz MB501 20 cylinder Diesel marine engines with total power of 16000hp (8 x 2000hp). According to the calculations it would allow P 1000 to travel at maximum speed of 40km/h. P 1000 would be armed with a variety of weapons such as: two 280mm gun (naval gun used in Scharnhorst and Gneisenau warships), single 128mm gun, eight 20mm Flak 38 anti-aircraft guns and two 15mm Mauser MG 151/15 gun.

In December of 1942, Krupp created new design of 1500 ton tank - P 1500. It frontal armor would be 250mm thick and it would be armed with 800mm super heavy mortar "Dora" type and possibly two 150mm artillery pieces. P 1500 would be powered by two or four submarine diesel engines. In early 1943, Albert Speer cancelled both projects. P 1000 turret ended up at coastal defence battery (Batterie Oerlander) near Trondheim, Norway.

Even before P 1000 and P 1500, in 1939, Krupp began working on other similar projects for projected series of self-propelled coastal guns for the German Navy - Kriegsmarine. Series was to include 14 different platforms designated from R1 to R14. Armament was to range from 150mm to 380mm and it was to be mounted on fully traversible turntables on tracked carriages. One of the designs was R2 coastal gun armed with 280mm gun. The series never left drawing boards. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif GOOD GOD MAN!
No bridge would hold that thing. You would have to crane it across a river. And it would take a 500lb bomb to take it out.

Hehehe...
That sounds like something you would only find in Japanese animation. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

WirMussen
10-05-2005, 04:06 PM
jesus god man, that tanks sounds a touch excessive, even for the third reich! one hell of a big target for allied bombers let alone fighters.

anyone care to hazard a guess at the number of crew? (i dont think i can without alot of research into the weapons and engines etc.)

jooo9
10-05-2005, 04:34 PM
I believe the big railroad guns needed something like 100 men. Add two massive engines, two more big guns, and various machine guns and my guess would be around 300 men.

There was an airshow showing a B-24 and B-17 bomber and my dad took some pictures. Being that this is a thread about millitary stuff, would anyone like me to post the pics?

Gunnersman
10-05-2005, 07:30 PM
Originally posted by jooo9:
I believe the big railroad guns needed something like 100 men. Add two massive engines, two more big guns, and various machine guns and my guess would be around 300 men.

There was an airshow showing a B-24 and B-17 bomber and my dad took some pictures. Being that this is a thread about millitary stuff, would anyone like me to post the pics?

I dont mind, but its Celeon999's thread.

WilhelmSchulz.-
10-05-2005, 07:39 PM
Im shure he wont mind. Its a related topic.

Celeon999
10-06-2005, 02:36 AM
There was an airshow showing a B-24 and B-17 bomber and my dad took some pictures. Being that this is a thread about millitary stuff, would anyone like me to post the pics?

Sure, post them.

I have some nice pics from the Berlin ILA Airshow too i could post if you like.

At the next ILA 2006 this new giant passenger plane from airbus makes an flight show here. (What was his d@mn number ?? )

There also many historical airplanes from WW1 and ww2 performing flight shows there.

Celeon999
10-06-2005, 11:16 AM
Aside of these the secret weapon projects of the third Reich had blown all dimensions.

The projects in work included :



1. Infra red technology for night vision

2. TV camera guided bombs (known as project : "The seeing bomb")

3. guided bombs and cruise missiles (see Ruhrstahl X-1 and X-4 or Henschel Hs 293 aswell as Hs 117-H )

4. mobile V2 launching vehicles

5. intercontinental V2 rockets (The V2-A9)

6. recon and attack helicopters (see Flettner FI 282-V/21)

7. super heavy artillery guns and high pressure pump technology for accelerating artillery grenades (mainly focusing on the V3 or england cannon how it was called)

8. jet bombers and jet fighters aswell as bombers with first primitive stealth capability (See Gotha 229 or Horten Ho IX)

9. Vertical starting jet fighters (see Bachem Ba 349)

10. radar guided anti aircraft missiles (see Rheintochter 1 or project "Wasserfall" )

11. Air independend propulsion systems for u-boats

12. improved homing torpedos and rocket launchers for u-boats

13. remote controlled anti tank robot bombs and weapon platforms (see project "Goliath")

14. nuclear technology (civil and military)

15. chemical weapon research on nerve agents that resulted in the creation of Sarin, Tabun and Soman.



This should be mentioned in special because the allied intelligence had no clue of the existence of nerve gases till they conquered the production facilitys at the end of the war.

If you now remember the idea Winston Churchill once had to retaliate V2 attacks on London with mustard gas attacks on Berlin..... you can imagine what the answer would had been like.

And if you compare mustard gas with Sarin ....

Luckily this never happended because 500.000 grenades and 100.000 bombs were found in underground production facilitys.

16. chemical research on alternative fuels

17. biological weapon research projects. (There is still doubt about those.)

All aviable informations for bio research are based on rumors and no proof , documents ,research facilitys or equipment were found.


------------------------------------------------



Most of these projects were pursued in gigantic underground facilitys that still exist today.

One of them is build into a mountain and has 24 kilometers of street and railway systems, aswell as an own power plant. It is used as an storage facility today.


I saw a documentary about those secret underground facilitys in which an tv team visited all of them (about 20 across germany) all part of the insane plan to bring germany entire war industry under the earth were it is unreachable even for a-bombs.


It can be ordered here (http://shop.spiegel.de/go/see!SPONsptv-DVD-UnterirdischesReich) but only in europe.

Ive ordered it together with "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

A strange combination i know but i love this movie and didnt want to order it seperately. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



It left my eyes and mouth wide open. Its unbelievable how anyone could build such gigantic facilitys several hundred meters under the earth or into mountains.


I saw cars driving around there like on highways, street crossings, halls as big as football fields, tunnels which are hundreds of kilometers long surrounded by 10 meters of steel beton. Everything 400 meters under the surface! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif


An underground diesel fuel tank in which you can walk because it was tall as a building with capacity for several million litres. And it was only one of eight !! such tanks.


An Me 262 jet fighter production facility build into a mountain with an gigantic elevator that elevated the fresh finished aircrafts up to the mountain top where an airfield existed.

Plan was to produce and start 500 airplanes per month there ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif


An unfinished V2 production facility that should once become as big as a town build into an abandoned salt mine.



The first bunkerparts of an underground bunker system that should become Hitlers new headquarters by 1946 in an forest just a few kilometers away from the polish border where nobody would expect it.



But all those installations were mainly build by concentration camp slave workers under horrible conditions.

There was an survivor interviewed that was an slave worker participating in building the Me 262 facility.

He remembered the first words the SS officer told them as they arrived : "You all will work here until you drop dead" "Thats a promise"

In the next years he and thousands of others were working day and night to make half of the entire mountain hollow.

The facility was to 90 % complete at the end of the war.


And all these facilitys , finished or unfinished are still there today. Ha ! Logically ! How could they disappear ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

So much for the pyramids http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif



Now imagine the money the third Reich was pumping into all this.



Here is a pic that was shot 250 meters under the earth of an aircraft production facility (not the one mentioned above)

The jet fighter you see there is the Heinkel He 162.

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/4930/underground6af.jpg

Gunnersman
10-06-2005, 06:22 PM
Impressive.

Dont forget "zero point" technology!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

One more from the rumor mill.

Is there a version of that video with English subtitles? Id be interested in getting it.

Celeon999
10-17-2005, 05:37 AM
The DVD is here now.

Sadly it has no subtitles at all http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Celeon999
10-17-2005, 09:41 AM
Ah yes the ISBN is 3-937163-35-2


Ok this will take a lot of work http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Here is installation number one.
Build into a mountain with 24 km of road and railways.

Finished 1944.
Ammunition production, research and storage facility.

A-bomb secure.

Has its own underground powerplant and water treatment.

Today its a storage facility for all kinds of important things.


http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/3693/cap0014yq.jpg

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/113/cap0051ni.jpg

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/8278/cap0068oa.jpg

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/1632/cap0077if.jpg

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/2866/cap0087oc.jpg

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9741/cap0094oz.jpg

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/8504/cap0107sq.jpg


http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif The sign on the left wall says :

No smoking in vicinity of "BUS STOP" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Looks like there is also a bus traffic system down there http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3711/cap0111pq.jpg

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/7488/cap0129zn.jpg

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9759/cap0138rt.jpg

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/5664/cap0140pt.jpg

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/4893/cap0154ps.jpg

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/2743/cap0160lk.jpg

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9141/cap0174lx.jpg

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/107/cap0180lz.jpg

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/2470/cap0194js.jpg

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5598/cap0209iw.jpg



Sub Level 28 / Section 90 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

No admittance for unauthorized personnel

The commander.

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/1474/cap0223nq.jpg

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/7871/cap0235md.jpg

Celeon999
10-17-2005, 11:29 AM
Ok and here is installation number 2.

Adolfs secret emergency fuel tanks hidden under a forest.

Here you see one of those tanks. There are 79 others of similar size.

1939 they were all full.


http://img446.imageshack.us/img446/8722/cap0028ih.jpg

http://img429.imageshack.us/img429/4080/cap0037bf.jpg

http://img429.imageshack.us/img429/6914/cap0043lt.jpg

http://img429.imageshack.us/img429/355/cap0065jw.jpg

http://img429.imageshack.us/img429/3306/cap0078gy.jpg

http://img429.imageshack.us/img429/6496/cap0091mf.jpg

http://img429.imageshack.us/img429/298/cap0103om.jpg

http://img429.imageshack.us/img429/2340/cap0119py.jpg

The_Silent_O
10-17-2005, 12:37 PM
Okay,

Am I the only one to think that this is where the German's stash their "Good" beer while exporting the bottom of the barrel stuff to the west?????

Celeon999
10-17-2005, 01:20 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif pssssssssssst

There is enough beer stored there for the next thousand years and the fourth Reich. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

If you keep that information for yourself i will give you a life long supply. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Gunnersman
10-17-2005, 04:25 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Kaleun1961
10-17-2005, 04:43 PM
****! I hope if there is another war, you will be on our side. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The_Silent_O
10-18-2005, 08:49 AM
...So we can drink all the bier!

Celeon999
10-18-2005, 10:59 AM
And here is number 3


A V2 production facility with its own launch pad build into an old salt mine.


It was build for the production of the V2-A9 intercontinental rocket.

You can see how high the bunker ceiling was designed because the A-9 would had been a lot bigger than the V2-A4 that was mass produced and fired at britain and the east front.

The A-9 was designed to reach targets in the soviet union and the usa.


This installation is unfinished. The construction was ongoing till the very last day of the war. Not a single A9 was ever produced there.

If the production ever started in the finished parts of the facility is uncertain. All secret documents and blueprints about the A9 project were destroyed on the day the facility was abandoned.


http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/2293/rak016qc.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/898/rak027ug.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/126/rak039kg.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/5923/rak043hx.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/5716/rak058gq.jpg



Ahh this is a very interesting one.


Somewhere here a few kilometers away from the polish border in the 90ths , an german and an polish archeologist discovered this strange hole in an forest.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/2909/hq012se.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/695/hq026wz.jpg



First they thought its a natural cave which are widely spread there.

But as they explored it they found this...


http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/8476/hq031np.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/5783/hq040ic.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9306/hq078en.jpg


They discribe that there were tools and construction machinery standing down there as if the constructers just left it for lunchtime.


http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/6497/hq053jz.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/3541/hq061ks.jpg

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4381/hq125jx.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1825/hq082yz.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/7532/hq104my.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/3548/hq111dd.jpg

They found the first construction steps of an little underground city.

I took quite some research to gather old documents from which they learned that this was one of the ultra hyper super top secret work sites that the third Reich had.



The Wehrmacht and also Hitlers brand new headquarters.

Its finishing was planned for mid 1946.

The hole they had found was an elevator shaft in the first construction step.



As you can see this site is now undergoing securing works and shall once be accessible for visitors.

The_Silent_O
10-18-2005, 01:18 PM
Again...some tour company could make big bucks by offering a "Hitler's secret weapon sites" tour around germany and their would be takers by the dozen.

This is neat CEL999! Love the photos and commentary!

Celeon999
10-18-2005, 01:25 PM
And i would be one of the first visitors http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WilhelmSchulz.-
10-18-2005, 04:06 PM
Damm. I renember when this thread started. Now its got 6 pages!

Gunnersman
10-18-2005, 07:38 PM
This is awesome. Truly awesome. I guy could get lost in there, it looks like.

Looks like a great place to play paintball too. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

VikingGrandad
10-19-2005, 07:18 AM
Amazing. That base near the Polish border looks HUGE. I'd love to visit it. Imagine what it was like for those archaelogists to discover it! (do you know if they were trying to find Third Reich underground bases, or did they find it purely by accident?)

It reminds me of the underground laboratory levels in Return to Castle Wolfenstein (remember the Uber Soldat? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif ). I used to think that those final levels were too much based on 'fantasy' rather than reality, but now I'm not so sure! OK, so there probably weren't undead cyborg robot experiments going on down in these real bases, but the environment is similar...

Thanks Celeon999 for all your effort to capture these images and share them
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Is there a book or website with more info on these bases? (shame the DVD has no subtitles, or that I don't speak German http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif )

Celeon999
10-19-2005, 08:56 AM
(do you know if they were trying to find Third Reich underground bases, or did they find it purely by accident?)

purely by accident http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


It reminds me of the underground laboratory levels in Return to Castle Wolfenstein

Yes. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I think thats where they had the ideas for the game from http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

By the way : Return to castle Wolfenstein 2 is coming http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif With an improved Doom 3 engine http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


Is there a book or website with more info on these bases? (shame the DVD has no subtitles, or that I don't speak German

There are german books for sure but i dont know if english ones also exist.

About websites .... hmmm try google. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Celeon999
10-19-2005, 10:53 AM
Ok this installation has a sad story.


After the V2-A4 production facility in Peenem├╝nde was destroyed by the RAF this new facility was build into a mountain.


The SS build the concentration camp Mittelbau-Dora right next to it to house the slave workers that were forced to build it and then work in it.



This facility once owned by the SS was not used further as the war ended and due to no maintenance works most of it has caved in or is flooded by 60 years of rainfall.


Its sealed today because it is so dangerous and scavengers have broken into it again and again to collect original V2 parts or other third Reich artifacts that are very beloved by collectors.


http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/7551/cap0028jf.jpg

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/9393/cap0031bu.jpg

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/7683/cap0048mj.jpg

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/1405/cap0052bm.jpg

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/7181/cap0069wb.jpg

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/8527/cap0078ah.jpg

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/5404/cap0099vl.jpg

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/1371/cap0104yw.jpg

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/131/cap0117lc.jpg



Lately some to this point unknown rare color photo footages of the facility were discovered.


They show concentration camp prisoners building V2Ô┬┤s under supervising of scientists in that facility.

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/1307/cap0121gz.jpg

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4324/cap0135gp.jpg

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/9948/cap0142lb.jpg

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/3962/cap0158fy.jpg

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/8444/cap0164ph.jpg

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/3180/cap0175mp.jpg

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/1839/cap0189kf.jpg

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/5356/cap0192ky.jpg

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/8803/cap0202an.jpg

Former CC prisoner Peter Wolff interviewed here took part in its construction.

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/5914/cap0080as.jpg


These men you see here are the more lucky ones. They have professions in technical jobs like electronics and were "nearly" irreplacable so they were treated a lot better and hadnt to work under the same inhuman conditions than others from their camp.

How many rockets have been produced there is uncertain but former prisoners talk of "over 1000" in 6 months at the peak of production.

The production numbers varied extremly because the V2 was improved continuesly and the entire construction process was altered over and over again.



An facility three times bigger than this was in planning.


Where the warheads for these rockets have been produced is still unknown.

Maybe in an still undiscovered facility somewhere. The SS managed to destroy nearly all their secret documents about weapons in time or managed to bring them with help of the u-boats out of germany in 1945.

So there are still some secrets to discover for hobby war historians. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


This is how the 15 meter high test range you saw in the pics above looks like today.

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/8848/cap0216td.jpg


Its mostly flooded by rain water.


http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/2493/cap0228uf.jpg

From here the rockets were loaded on trains and transportated to their launch pads throughout germany or occupied france.

Here you see a V2 rocket engine.

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/5600/cap0232wq.jpg

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/650/cap0248cr.jpg

And here are some more.
These engines were propably not complete or simply forgotten by the u.s troops that otherwise brought all rocket parts to the white sands test range in the usa.


http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/8969/cap0250wm.jpg

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4071/cap0265kj.jpg


The next one will focus on an unfinished chemical weapon facility north of Berlin.

Celeon999
10-22-2005, 02:20 PM
Ok this is also a very interesting one.


The french town Mimoyecques south of Calais.

Next to the town a huge underground facility was build to house another V-Weapon number 3 codenamed "Flei├čiges Lie├čchen".

(diligent Lie├čchen)

This time not a rocket. But the biggest artillery guns ever made.

Pointed on england.

4 gigantic shafts in the earth with special ultra long artillery guns that were equipped with high pressure pumps.

The pumps were meant to accelerate the grenades , giving them a never before reached speed and so firing range.



Before the V-3 or (England cannon) how hitler called it , could be finished the british "Dam Busters" heavily damaged the facility as one of their "Tall Boy" bombs penetrated the 6 meter thick steel beton ceiling.

http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/3963/cap0025mr.jpg

http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/751/cap0039py.jpg

http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/7678/cap0048md.jpg

http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/3417/cap0057vn.jpg


Here you see a model of the high pressure pump


http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/6855/cap0083su.jpg


After this attack the work on this weapon was suspended.



The name Gerald Vincent Bull (a canadian scientist) will forever be connected to this weapon although he had nothing to do with it or WW2.



He was the man who long after the war proofed that the high pressure pump technology really functions and this achievement could had or still could revolutionize the space program.

A cheap and easy way to bring satellites into earths orbit without the need of rockets.

Sadly the genius of this man was ignored by people who simply decided to ignore it because they put money higher than science. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif


This drove the man that always wanted to use his awesome achievement for the peaceful exploration of space to the decision that the only way to realize his vision and give an proof that no one could ignore is to alter it for an military use first.

This was his last decision.

He was propably the most underestimated scientist in the 20ths century.



Even today most people never recieved word of his name or his achievements. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif


On March , 22 1990 on bright day Bull was killed with 5 shots in his back in front of his Appartment in Br├┼ôssel.

Nobody heard the shots.

Propably a silencer.

Nothing was stolen from him or his appartment.

More on him here at wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Bull)

VikingGrandad
10-23-2005, 04:37 AM
Again, very interesting Celeon999. Thanks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

The one thing that puzzles me is how they would aim these underground cannons. With the 'barrel' constrained in a shaft in the ground, do you know if there was any way of changing the direction of the shells it fired, so that they could try to aim the cannon at different targets? Could they change the pressure of the pump to inrease/decrease the range?

Celeon999
10-23-2005, 07:02 AM
I dont know how the aiming of this guns should had worked.

I assume that some kind of hydraulic system could move the upper end of the barrels. I dont believe that all of england was in its firing angle but surely some major industrial areas and citys.

But i know that the range could be easily set by increasing or decreasing the pressure in the pumps.

jooo9
10-27-2005, 02:21 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_VIII_Maus
The wiki site of the Maus, the massive tank discussed earlier.

Celeon999
10-28-2005, 02:06 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Wikipedia has simply everything :

Even the Ratte (Notice the 2 links on that side)
There is even an concept drawing to see.

Landcruiser Ratte @Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratte_[tank%29)


If the Link doesnt work open wikipedia and use Ratte as search subject.

There in the list you find Ratte (Tank)

Goose_Green
10-29-2005, 05:13 PM
Absolutley fascinating thread Celeon, it's amazing to see so much history left relatively untouched - to this I mean the V2 rocket construction centre and other secret installations of the Third Reich.

Although a little off topic, thanks for sharing!!

Celeon999
12-02-2005, 05:41 AM
Ok here is the first promised update.


An Me-262 factory codenamed "Lachs" build into an mountain.

Its is unfinished and like the other unfinished facilitys the construction was proceeded to the last day of the war.

It was propably 50 % complete and the first Me-262Ô┬┤s were already manufactured there and some test flights were made.


The idea was to build an factory that is secure of allied bombing strikes and has its own airfield , it was supposed to use a new production process for airplanes. (Everything faster and easier)

At full capacity the factory should produce ubelievable 1200 Me-262 per month that should right after beeing finished brought up with an elevator to the mountain top and start from there directly to their bases.

The topside of the mountain was flatended with explosives and an airfield was build there.


The 4 main production halls in the mountain had an size of 27,000 quadrat meters.



The color footages you see were made by an u.s airforce recon airplane. You can see the bunkered entries into the mountain and the cargo elevator that goes up to the top.

In one pic you see the airfield too.


http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/7379/cap0024jw.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/3496/cap0031ad.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9847/cap0046hc.jpg

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http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/5/cap0164pc.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/7098/cap0185vx.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/8426/cap0191ye.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/7534/cap0212ld.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9829/cap0221sz.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/6659/cap0230tm.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/7130/cap0243zm.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/6193/cap0251oj.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/5286/cap0269pa.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/8534/cap0278zl.jpg

VikingGrandad
12-02-2005, 05:49 PM
Thanks again Celeon999 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

The runway they made on the mountain is amazing. I looked up 'Lachs' on Google and managed to find some more pictures you may be interested to see on this site:

Third Reich in Ruins (http://www.thirdreichruins.com/thuringen.htm)

There's lots of other interesting photos and information on this site too. One photo that caught my eye is in the Berlin section (page 2) (http://www.thirdreichruins.com/berlin2.htm) - the Fuhrerbunker emergency exit. I recognise this scene from the movie 'Downfall' which I saw recently.

Also, this page (http://www.thirdreichruins.com/kunsthaus3.htm) has some military paintings/sketches from the WW2 era, including some excellent U-boat pictures.

EDIT - OT - I just found this site too! (http://www.berliner-unterwelten.de/) I wish I had known about this when I visited Berlin.

Admiral-Napalm
12-02-2005, 09:40 PM
Nice pics Celeon999, I was in the military also. But I found some errors in your post.

This picture:

http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/4296/abc8rk.jpg

You write:

"We were training them in combat behaviour under ABC conditions."

It's not "ABC" conditions. It should be "NBC" conditions. NBC=NUCLEAR-BIOLOGICAL-CHEMICAL.
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In this picture:

http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/5462/marder7vy.jpg

You write:

"This little thingy is an marder midget tank, it may look rediculous but its a real tank killer!"

I'm sorry, but it is not a Marder midget tank. It is the Wiesel1 Reconnaissance vehicle with a TOW (Tube-launched, Optically-tracked, Wire-guided) system which is a very good American anti-tank missile system. The Wiesel1 is not even a tank-killer as such. More like anti-tank support for a recce unit.

You also say:
"During an NATO exercise 3 of these little ugly frogs took out an whole tank platoon!"

A tank platoon consists of only 4 tanks. And I'm not surprised, the TOW is a proven American anti-tank missile system. So three TOWs and one reload? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

You say

"....equipt with heavy anti-tank missiles (the one on this pic has an light missile launcher)."

Errr...no. The thing on top IS the American TOW anti-tank missile.

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In this picture:

http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/4348/schwerepanzerfaust1iu.jpg

You write:

"Always read the manual (You and your Panzerfaust ) carefully before you fire your weapon !

An american comerade fires an heavy Panzerfaust.

As you can see he had a little problem holding this thing under control.

With this aim he only would had hit an airplane.

We told him 3 times : "Be aware ! Thats not one of your little anti tank toys made for blowing up 30 year old russian tanks."

"Thats a REAL weapon made for taking out REAL tanks!"

Can happen to anyone.

Yet the Panzerfaust is a high trajectory weapon designed to penetrate the thin armour on the top of the turret of an MBT (Main Battle Tank). Also, it is not "aimed" but rather chooses it's own path whilst the target is "painted" with a laser designator.
The American anti-tank missiles used to destroy "30 year old Russian" tanks are used by the German army even today (TOW) and I believe the Americans have a new shoulder launched anti-tank missile system called Archer.

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You say:

"They loved our G36 and wanted to trade their old M16 with them."

Yes the H&K G36 is a very nice weapon and I'm sure quite capable. Yet still unproven in major conflict, whereas the M16 has been around since Vietnam and so they've had four decades to get things right. What would I choose to take into combat? The proven and trusted M16.

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Those are just about all the errors I could find right now. Sorry to be a pain but erroneous military information is a pet hate of mine. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Acunnon
12-02-2005, 11:34 PM
I think you mean the Javelin not the archer. Rather sure of it, one of my old marine buddied wrote to me about it after I left the service. The Javelin is a an anti tank man portiable system. The only bit I can find about archer is referance to a russian short range air-to-air missle.

Celeon999
12-03-2005, 06:55 AM
@ Admiral

Ok ok ok http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Just to put some things right. In germany we say ABC not NBC.

(A)tomar , (B)iologisch, (C)hemisch


Yep youre right thats an Wiesel. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif




You also say:
"During an NATO exercise 3 of these little ugly frogs took out an whole tank platoon!"

Nope i didnt. That was posted by another community member.




Yet still unproven in major conflict, whereas the M16 has been around since Vietnam and so they've had four decades to get things right.

Yes its unproven but i still prefer it because its not so heavy as the m16 and it is "really" self cleaning.

The manufacturer claimed that the m16 is also self cleaning.

Well it isnt. Was not in Vietnam and it isnt today.

A lot of improvements were made in the last 40 years. But 40 years is 30 year longer than a weapon should need to become more reliable.

For my part i never saw a weapon that can get jammed so easily if you not keep an vigilant eye on keeping it clean all the time.

Dirt (especially sand) is a great problem for every weapon but the m16 is still too fragile.

So i love my g36 far more http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Ahhh yes and the Panzerfaust can be fired by aim AND by laser guidance and can be equipped with several different kinds of warheads. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Celeon999
12-03-2005, 07:23 AM
Ah yes anyone knows what results the usage of combat robots brought in iraq ?


Im very interested but i cant find information about it.


The Bundeswehr also gets into robots now.



Meet *tEODor* http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

He is an bomb defusing robot that now undergoes test for using him for urban fighting.

I dont know what kind of weapons he can be equipped with beside the pumpgun shown on the pic.

But that thing makes me nervous enough to see it in his ehhhhmm "hands". http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4007/051114teodor014200dg.jpg



Somehow he reminds me of the goliath. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But goliath was more an suicide bomber robot.

Bin Laden would love him. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/6749/goliath10rz.jpg

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/4701/goliath8cs.jpg

Ratek
12-03-2005, 09:45 AM
Panzerfaust... Has the name been reinvented? Or is it just a generic name for AT-missiles now?

Celeon999
12-03-2005, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by Ratek:
Panzerfaust... Has the name been reinvented? Or is it just a generic name for AT-missiles now?

Thats the name of the weapon.

Translated it would be something like "Tank fist" or "Amored First"

Its complete name is Panzerfaust 3 but when we equip it with an RPG for bunker penetration we call it "Bunkerfaust" .


We have also an Anti-Air missile launcher like the american stinger called "Fliegerfaust". (Actually it is an modified Stinger)

Although the name sounds similar it is a totally different weapon while Panzer and Bunkerfaust are the same weapon just with a different type of RPG and different extra equipment that is needed to be installed on it.


Its a bit confusing i know. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6781/panzerfaust6vg.jpg

But the main AT missile launcher we use (like most european countrys) is the MILAN.

MILAN (http://www.army-technology.com/projects/milan/)

Admiral-Napalm
12-03-2005, 10:29 AM
Celeon, I apologise if I sounded a bit gruff, not my intention at all. Keep posting your excellent pics!!!

About the "ABC (A)tomar , (B)iologisch, (C)hemisch". I didn't realise that because I know most NATO countries use the NBC designation. Still, I suppose ABC is more catchy if that's the case.

About the M16. I think you're referring to the original M16. The one they use now is the Colt M162. It's not the same one as the original they took to Vietnam. Not as prone to jamming nearly as much...and holds up well in the sandy climate of Iraq. Errr, no rifle is truly self-cleaning and as I said the G36 is a nice weapon but, who knows, may develop problems if taken into combat. H&K aren't really renowned for making assault rifles... And 40 years is not too long. Look at the M14, one of the finest rifles ever made. It was replaced by the M16 and is now used by SF as a sniper rifle. The fine AK the Russians and half the world use, the basic design dates back to just after the second world war.
But you have to admit, the US had a far better rifle than the Wehrmacht with the Garand, during the second world war. A modern (for the era) semi-automatic versus a 1st world war 19th century bolt action rifle.

Acunnon, you are right, it is the Javelin (I should stop posting when consuming alcohol). And anyone else notice the similarity with the Panzerfaust and the Javelin? I think the Javelin came first though.

By the way...isn't Heckler & Koch owned by BAE? It's a British company then? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Schiffmorder
12-03-2005, 10:49 AM
He had some spare parts with the eagle and swastika on it.

Isnt any kind of display of the swastika illegal there ?

As far as the 'ABC' goes, I look at it like this:
A = Alcohol
B= Biology = girls
C= Chemistry = recreational drug of your choice
What have we spelled?
PARTY TIME!!!

Celeon999
12-03-2005, 10:58 AM
But you have to admit, the US had a far better rifle than the Wehrmacht with the Garand, during the second world war. A modern (for the era) semi-automatic versus a 1st world war 19th century bolt action rifle.

Yep thats true. The Garand was a darn good weapon. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The wehrmacht delayed the upgrade to the gas reloaded rifles for too long.

The Heckler and Koch G-43 was supposed to replace the K-98k as main weapon but its development was started far too late. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

As the russian SVT 40 popped up at the scene they finally realised that its time to do something.

Heh but remember that the K-98 was the best bolt action rifle ever made http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Still a very beloved hunting rifle worldwide ( http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif And even still in use in some armys)


Yep. Heckler and Koch is owned by the brits now.....

GOTT STRAFE ENGLAND ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


But at least we can say that we own far more english companys than they own german. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hach yes. The fight never ends. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Old traditions need to be kept. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Its good to have an enemy . Even in peacetime. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif




Isnt any kind of display of the swastika illegal there ?

Thats something different. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Celeon999
12-03-2005, 12:47 PM
Talking about PanzerfaustÔ┬┤s ...

Eveything you need to defend your home and property right from the wonderland internet

Look here (http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=668549)

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif


And look here...

The new Fennek... has a...... Periscope ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/9130/fennek18av.jpg

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3592/fennek74gx.jpg

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/7576/fennek83gu.jpg

The_Silent_O
12-03-2005, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by Admiral-Napalm:
Celeon, I apologise if I sounded a bit gruff, not my intention at all. Keep posting your excellent pics!!!

About the "ABC (A)tomar , (B)iologisch, (C)hemisch". I didn't realise that because I know most NATO countries use the NBC designation. Still, I suppose ABC is more catchy if that's the case.

About the M16. I think you're referring to the original M16. The one they use now is the Colt M162. It's not the same one as the original they took to Vietnam. Not as prone to jamming nearly as much...and holds up well in the sandy climate of Iraq. Errr, no rifle is truly self-cleaning and as I said the G36 is a nice weapon but, who knows, may develop problems if taken into combat. H&K aren't really renowned for making assault rifles... And 40 years is not too long. Look at the M14, one of the finest rifles ever made. It was replaced by the M16 and is now used by SF as a sniper rifle. The fine AK the Russians and half the world use, the basic design dates back to just after the second world war.
But you have to admit, the US had a far better rifle than the Wehrmacht with the Garand, during the second world war. A modern (for the era) semi-automatic versus a 1st world war 19th century bolt action rifle.

Acunnon, you are right, it is the Javelin (I should stop posting when consuming alcohol). And anyone else notice the similarity with the Panzerfaust and the Javelin? I think the Javelin came first though.

By the way...isn't Heckler & Koch owned by BAE? It's a British company then? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Actually, in modern US doctrine it's now...chemical, biological, nuclear, radiological, and explosive CBNRE...no more NBC. I don't know if that acronym has been adopted by NATO yet.

I used to have a great JAVELIN *.wmv file that showed a JAVELIN shot from setup to impact to the top of a real target tank.

Acunnon
12-03-2005, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by Celeon999:
Talking about PanzerfaustÔ┬┤s ...

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/9130/fennek18av.jpg

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3592/fennek74gx.jpg

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/7576/fennek83gu.jpg

That reminds me a little of the new Stryker we have.


Stryker (http://www.army.mil/features/stryker/default.htm)

link 2 (http://www.strykernews.com/)

Kaleun1961
12-03-2005, 06:47 PM
Self-cleaning weapons? Yeah, right. No such thing exists. I bought my wife a self-cleaning oven, yet she still has to get on her hands and knees to clean the thing. Sorry, I'm a chauvinist, not my job. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

With weapons and systems you have to consider who will be operating and servicing them. A modern, western military has personnel who are more technical and adept with complex systems. On the other hand, if you are a third world bushwhacker, you will appreciate the rugged dependability of the AK-47, as simple to use as a club with a rock tied to the end. I saw a Vietnamese guerilla on a documentary saying that they would sometimes hide AK's in stream beds for weeks, take them out and they would fire.

Celeon999
12-04-2005, 04:18 AM
Actually, in modern US doctrine it's now...chemical, biological, nuclear, radiological, and explosive CBNRE...no more NBC. I don't know if that acronym has been adopted by NATO yet.

CBNRE ???

Isnt this a bit complex for....... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif You know what they say..... military people...... they are not the smartest ..... and have a hard time learning so many letters , one after the other ........


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Admiral-Napalm
12-04-2005, 04:32 AM
Originally posted by Kaleun1961:
Self-cleaning weapons? Yeah, right. No such thing exists. I bought my wife a self-cleaning oven, yet she still has to get on her hands and knees to clean the thing. Sorry, I'm a chauvinist, not my job. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

With weapons and systems you have to consider who will be operating and servicing them. A modern, western military has personnel who are more technical and adept with complex systems. On the other hand, if you are a third world bushwhacker, you will appreciate the rugged dependability of the AK-47, as simple to use as a club with a rock tied to the end. I saw a Vietnamese guerilla on a documentary saying that they would sometimes hide AK's in stream beds for weeks, take them out and they would fire.

I think "self-cleaning" translates to "low-maintainance" in real terms. Yes, good for bush-whackers or paddy-paddlers but also non-professional, conscript armies like the German army whos soldiers would be hard pushed to field strip the thing. So...G36 it is then.

Acunnon
12-04-2005, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by Admiral-Napalm:
I think "self-cleaning" translates to "low-maintainance" in real terms. Yes, good for bush-whackers or paddy-paddlers but also non-professional, conscript armies like the German army whos soldiers would be hard pushed to field strip the thing. So...G36 it is then.

Ouch. But I agree from practicality and personal experience there is no such thing as a self cleaning weapon. Even an AK needs cleaning yes you can leave it underwater for a week or drag it trough the mud or throw a fist full of sand in the receiver or go a month with out cleaning it. But when you fire it after that do not expect to hit to broad side of a barn. A gun is just like the soldier who carries it he needs exercise food and cleanning if you expect him to operate at his best.

Kaleun1961
12-04-2005, 02:33 PM
True points, all. However, in the close-confines fighting of a jungle ambush, accuracy doesn't matter all that much when you're spraying a canopy of jungle with dozens of rounds. Still, I agree, a well serviced weapon and a well trained soldier can go miles beyond what any bushwacker can accomplish.

WilhelmSchulz.
12-04-2005, 04:43 PM
Yea the marines use the Striker.

Admiral-Napalm
12-04-2005, 05:37 PM
Stryker even. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The_Silent_O
12-05-2005, 05:59 AM
Originally posted by WilhelmSchulz.:
Yea the marines use the Striker.

USMC does not use the STRYKER vehicle YET...USMC has used the LAV-25 witch looks very similar to the STRYKER. The LAV-25 is an older vehicle built in the '80s...

LAV-25s are just armored wheeled vehicles...Back in the early 80s we even had them in the 82nd Airborne Division for awhile.

STRYKERs are very expensive because of all the technology that are in them.

LAV-25:
http://www.armyrecognition.com/Amerique_du_nord/Etats_Unis/vehicules_a_roues/LAV-25/LAV-25_USA_13.jpg

STRYKER:
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/stryker/images/stryker_6.jpg

Acunnon
12-05-2005, 10:40 AM
Thay are both nice to look at to me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif nice pieces of military hardware.

Admiral-Napalm
12-05-2005, 11:24 AM
That's right. The Stryker is used by the elite Duece Four ( 24th Infantry
Regiment) of LTC Kurilla fame. Next movie by Bruce Willis I heard.

Celeon999
12-05-2005, 11:42 AM
Looks a bit like the "Boxer" but i think all APCÔ┬┤s look similar in some way.

He can be equipped with different amored personnel modules.

The modules have an integrated electricity generator so they can be left alone and function like a small base for the soldiers.



http://img429.imageshack.us/img429/2030/boxer1a7ac.jpg

http://img429.imageshack.us/img429/4521/boxer11te.jpg

http://img429.imageshack.us/img429/6366/boxer22xd.jpg

http://img429.imageshack.us/img429/7533/boxer38pq.jpg

Messervy
12-05-2005, 12:08 PM
They do look simmilar.
Here is our contribution (I think it`s the only piece of indigenous hardware)

A Reconnaissance AFV Valuk

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v675/Messervy/armoured_vehicle2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v675/Messervy/valuk1.jpg

The_Silent_O
12-05-2005, 12:23 PM
Originally posted by Messervy:
They do look simmilar.
Here is our contribution (I think it`s the only piece of indigenous hardware)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v675/Messervy/valuk1.jpg

Show off! but I'd work great at a stoplight in East Los Angeles!

Celeon999
12-05-2005, 01:04 PM
Hmmmmmm.

There are to possible reasons for this kickstart.

Number 1 : Somebody thought it would be a good idea to fuel this Valuk with rocket fuel. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Number 2 : The soldiers it carries had some mexican chili for lunch and someone smoked a cigarette http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Admiral-Napalm
12-05-2005, 01:53 PM
...or more likely it's just landing after a short hop over something. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I believe they are 6-wheel drive...

Messervy
12-05-2005, 02:06 PM
Yes it is 6 wheel drive and front to pairs are for steering.
The only other contribution by my small country is laser aiming device for T-84 (upgraded Russian T-72 tanks) by Iskra Fotona. At the time the sistem was developed it was far supperior to anything the Russians had mounted on their tanks.
During the first Gulf war the Allies concidered these tanks to be the only worthy opponents.

Celeon999
12-05-2005, 03:19 PM
Ahh this is a good one. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


I was really confused as i saw it lately.

Who can describe what this strange vehicle might be ?

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hint: Take a look at another vehicle i posted in this thread and you might notice a similarity. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


http://img333.imageshack.us/img333/1807/agm3gv.jpg

Messervy
12-05-2005, 03:44 PM
Panzerhaubitze 2000
Same gun on a different chassis.

Looks like Ostschlepper with a big gun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Celeon999
12-05-2005, 03:55 PM
Yep http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Thats an u.s. made MLRS rocket launcher.
The Bundeswehr demounted the rocket system and installed the prototype of the Pzh 2000Ô┬┤ 155mm gun for test firing on it.

As i first saw this pic i thought "What the ...?"

First plan was to scrap it after the tests but now they think about modifing other MLRS in that way and sell them as an cheaper alternative to the PZH 2000. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

WilhelmSchulz.
12-05-2005, 04:09 PM
Will this thread ever die? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Yea that gun looks like the Elafhant(wrong spelling) tank of WWII.

Celeon999
12-05-2005, 04:18 PM
Well maybe i will try to reach the 5000 visits mark (very close http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif ) and then i will let it find its well deserved death. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

WilhelmSchulz.
12-05-2005, 06:19 PM
Ok you made your 5000 visits. Now let the thread die! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Acunnon
12-05-2005, 09:14 PM
Why the hell would you want to take a perfectly good MLRS (Steal Rain http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif) apart and mount a danm gun on it, when you could have this.

MLRS 1 (http://www.missilesandfirecontrol.com/our_products/firesupport/MLRS-M270/product-MLRS-M270.html)

MLRS 2 (http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mlrs/)

MLRS 3 (http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app4/mlrs.html)

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mlrs/mlrs1.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Army_mlrs_1982_02.jpg

Celeon999
12-06-2005, 05:16 AM
Ah they now have taken the AGM into army-technology.com http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



Artillery Gun Module (http://www.army-technology.com/projects/artillery/)

Celeon999
12-06-2005, 05:27 AM
Ah yes and the next version of the PZH 2000 will be equipped with the HOT ATM rocket system for improved self-defence. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

HOT ATM (http://www.army-technology.com/projects/hot/)

WilhelmSchulz.
12-06-2005, 05:39 AM
What dose HOT stand for anyway???

Hoatee
12-06-2005, 05:42 AM
ho-t stands for me

Lemme guess, those pix were taken near Zeedorf somewhere....

Celeon999
12-06-2005, 05:49 AM
What dose HOT stand for anyway???

I think its the opposite of C*O*L*D* http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Sorry, just joking. I dont know really. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Maybe the H stands for Heat.



ho-t stands for me Lemme guess, those pix were taken near Zeedorf somewhere.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Admiral-Napalm
12-06-2005, 10:49 AM
Why is the German army taking rear echelon, high-value units (like howitzers) and kitting them out for front-line fighting? I don't understand it to be honest. Units like the AGM were originally designed to stay back (hence relatively weak armour). If you put them in harms way, they'll be massacred considering 50 mil will slice them in half. I'm thinking the Germans are converting these units for the sole purpose of being sold to third-world armies who maybe appreciate more versatile units and have less conventional threats to think about. As to what HOT stands for, because the HOT uses a HEAT (High Explosive Anti-Tank) warhead: H (High Explosive Anti-Tank) O (Optically) T (Tracked). I'd guess it was that.

Kaleun1961
12-06-2005, 11:00 AM
If I were on the receiving end of one of those things, I think HOT would have stood for, "hands on testicles," as you sit there in your armoured vehicle, thinking, "That's all that will be left of me when that thing hits." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Celeon999
12-06-2005, 11:04 AM
I'm thinking the Germans are converting these units for the sole purpose of being sold to third-world armies who maybe appreciate more versatile units and have less conventional threats to think about.

Ah now you have it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

And not only third world.

Turkey is one of our best costumers. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Kaleun1961
12-06-2005, 11:05 AM
Speaking of Third World armies, can we here in Canada buy some of those things?

Celeon999
12-06-2005, 11:12 AM
Speaking of Third World armies, can we here in Canada buy some of those things?


Why ? I thought Canada is already well supplied. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But if you insist , no problem ! But it could take some time i heard Iran is hot buying anything that can shoot. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Just joking http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The_Silent_O
12-06-2005, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by Kaleun1961:
If I were on the receiving end of one of those things, I think HOT would have stood for, "hands on testicles," as you sit there in your armoured vehicle, thinking, "That's all that will be left of me when that thing hits." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Too funny K'...can't count the times I've HOT'ed myself in my career...but these days it's not getting too close to the outlet that runs my computer...
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif


Speaking of Third World armies, can we here in Canada buy some of those things?


Actually the proper term is not Third World anymore...according to our State department...it's DEVELOPING NATION..., and we do a lot of Nation Development down here as you know.

Does that make Canada a DEVELOPING NATION??? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif actually, you guys have some kick-butt snipers teams...must be all that moose hunting you all do up there!

Celeon999
12-06-2005, 11:38 AM
@ Kaleun

I think we have another nice toy that Canada might be interested in buying. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Taifun UCAV (http://www.army-technology.com/projects/taifun/)

Admiral-Napalm
12-06-2005, 11:50 AM
Celeon...have you heard Greece is equiping their army with the G36? They just ordered 115,000 of them.
Apparently though, there's a few problems with the gun. One of them is "melting" and the fact it isn't good for CQB. I'm only quoting mind you, never used the gun myself. But then again, when will Greece ever use them? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
The new H&K rifle coming out is highly praised though...

Kaleun1961
12-06-2005, 11:50 AM
We're not likely to see any major funding soon for our military. The Liberals are now promising to pump six billion dollars into a national daycare program, but if, only if they are re-elected, like all of their promises. Meanwhile, our search and rescue crews are flying around in helicopters that were made in the 60's. Very few people in this country even care if we have a military, since they know that the U.S. has to protect us.

Celeon999
12-06-2005, 12:12 PM
Celeon...have you heard Greece is equiping their army with the G36? They just ordered 115,000 of them.
Apparently though, there's a few problems with the gun. One of them is "melting" and the fact it isn't good for CQB. I'm only quoting mind you, never used the gun myself. But then again, when will Greece ever use them?
The new H&K rifle coming out is highly praised though...

Nope didnt heard of that melting thing.

I cant imagine what should melt there the polymer plastic doesnt even get warm. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif Maybe theyre trying to squeeze the price .... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif You know... Greece doesnt like Turkey....and Turkey doesnt like Greece.

That Cyprus thing. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Thats why we sell weapons to both sides. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


But im sure they will learn to get along with each other. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The new HK weapon. Wasnt this that X-11 thing or what was its name ?

Celeon999
12-06-2005, 12:14 PM
We're not likely to see any major funding soon for our military. The Liberals are now promising to pump six billion dollars into a national daycare program, but if, only if they are re-elected, like all of their promises. Meanwhile, our search and rescue crews are flying around in helicopters that were made in the 60's. Very few people in this country even care if we have a military, since they know that the U.S. has to protect us.


Well thats understandable. You dont have anyone near you who might become an possible enemy.

If you would live next to some more or less stable russian republics you would have a bigger military budget for sure. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Admiral-Napalm
12-06-2005, 01:55 PM
Celeon...no, apparently it's something to do with the firing mechanism which melts. I used to be a member of an army forum until I was banned for being "over-zealous". Surely you heard of it? I'll give you the link. It's a very interesting forum if you like army stuff:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=64326

There is a big debate going on about the G36. Most of the people on the forum are soldiers or ex, some are even posting from Iraq. That Fantassin posting bad things about the G36 is French Special Forces. I used to have bad arguments with him. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

By the way...there are some battle photos in that forum so DO NOT visit if you are sensitive to all things war, including gore etc. You have been warned!!! Though the link I put up is fine.

It's war baby and war is hell! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

edit: Oh and check out the other forums. They sometimes have discussions about U-boats.

p.s. If it's not allowed posting other forum URL's please let me know. Couldn't find anything about it.

WilhelmSchulz.
08-17-2007, 11:51 AM
Everyones gona Kill me for this but...


BUMP! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Oh and whats the Standard German infantrt rifle?