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fordfan25
08-01-2005, 08:44 PM
.................................................. sorry could not find any http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

LStarosta
08-01-2005, 08:56 PM
Well, I found a P47N.

http://www.pritchettcartoons.com/illustrations/bad_idea.gif

JG7_Rall
08-01-2005, 09:41 PM
This round goes to starosta

VW-IceFire
08-01-2005, 09:47 PM
Ta-152H...well yes...the others, no idea.
http://1000aircraftphotos.com/APS/2940L.jpg

PraetorHonoris
08-01-2005, 09:57 PM
I'd be rather interessted in WWII combat records of YP-80.

WarWolfe_1
08-01-2005, 09:58 PM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
Well, I found a P47N.

http://www.pritchettcartoons.com/illustrations/bad_idea.gif

You should be ashamed of yourself!

WarWolfe_1
08-01-2005, 09:59 PM
Originally posted by PraetorHonoris:
I'd be rather interessted in WWII combat records of YP-80.

Is there a war record of GO-229? Ta152?

PraetorHonoris
08-01-2005, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by WarWolfe_1:

Is there a war record of Ta152?

For regular use check out JG301, for combat testing LwErKdo-Ta-152 since september 1944. Werkschutz-use not included as no reliable figures exist.

Concerning Go229, it is nothing to do in Il2, but coincidently it was modeled by the same guy, who made the YP80.

Btw.: you can complain about these fantasy planes once you see them en masse on the servers out there...

fordfan25
08-01-2005, 10:20 PM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
Well, I found a P47N.

http://www.pritchettcartoons.com/illustrations/bad_idea.gif

looks like its useing the FW190's DM http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Pirschjaeger
08-01-2005, 11:14 PM
Originally posted by PraetorHonoris:
I'd be rather interessted in WWII combat records of YP-80.

It did fly in WW2, but no combat. IRC, read that the only deaths caused by this plane in WW2 were of test pilots.

Fritz

jarink
08-01-2005, 11:29 PM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
Well, I found a P47N.

http://www.pritchettcartoons.com/illustrations/bad_idea.gif

The dive characteristics are obviously overmodeled. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Hristo_
08-02-2005, 12:00 AM
P-47M
http://free-kc.t-com.hr/nino/jug.jpg

NonWonderDog
08-02-2005, 12:02 AM
Yes, the P-47M is a thing of intoxicating beauty.

Or something.

Tully__
08-02-2005, 12:22 AM
Originally posted by NonWonderDog:
Yes, the P-47M is a thing of intoxicating beauty.

Or something.

LMAO http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

wayno7777
08-02-2005, 12:26 AM
Since we have the 109Z shouldn't we get the TA-154 Moskito?...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/wayno77/Ta154-V1-1s.jpg

Gibbage1
08-02-2005, 02:09 AM
2 YP-80's served in Italy before the close of WWII and did perform armed combat missions. They were both sent up to intercept a recon Me-262, but failed to locate the target.

The YP-80's were armed combat field test units.

Go-229 V1 and V2 both made flights. V1 was an un-powered glider, and V2 was jet powered. V2 crashed after a few test flights on landing. Its still a little unclear as to what caused its crash. Many sources point to many things. The most common reason was engine failure on landing. The V3 was changed quite a bit form the V2, was 99% complete and almost ready to fly. If the US army was delayed a few days, it would of flown. There were about 100 Go-229 V3's in various stages of production when the factory was over run.

The big differance between Axis prototypes and Allied prototypes was the Axis did not need to ship them for months to get them into combat. They just fly them from the factory!

Something like 30+ P-80's waited on an island near Japan for 4 months for parts so they can fly. The war ended just before they got those parts.

F8F was on its way into combat. First flew in 1944, and Grumman deliverd the first production moden in Feb 1945. But again, US had to SHIP its new stuff over into combat and that took moths, so it missed the war by a week. If it was Japanese or German, it would of been fighting in the war for a few months before it ended. Same with the P-80.

Homefield advantage I guess? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif But there was more P-80's and F8F's then Go-229's and 109Z's by a long shot. But the Ta-152 had numbers and also had combat victories. Guarding the defensless and poor Me-262 on landing. So much for short range not being a disadvantage! Heh.

Gibbage1
08-02-2005, 02:14 AM
Originally posted by PraetorHonoris:

Concerning Go229, it is nothing to do in Il2, but coincidently it was modeled by the same guy, who made the YP80.


Oleg spacifically specified for 1945-1946 aircraft to be modeled as long as we could find accurate data. So, if you think Oleg should have no say in what goes into IL2, and you do..... Thats news to the rest of us!

Hoarmurath
08-02-2005, 02:42 AM
The most funny part is that it is the guy that modelled the Go-229 that complain regularly about it being a german fantasy plane... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Gibbage1
08-02-2005, 02:55 AM
Originally posted by Hoarmurath:
The most funny part is that it is the guy that modelled the Go-229 that complain regularly about it being a german fantasy plane... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Again, you keep puting words in my mouth. Quote me were I complain about the Go-229 being in the game.

SeaNorris
08-02-2005, 03:01 AM
TA-152 - Someone dream up these profiles?

http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/462/2

Pirschjaeger
08-02-2005, 03:08 AM
So, to be historically accurate, the YP-80 should be in a server, fully armed, by itself? Just kidding. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

IIRC, the YP-80's were also stationed in England and were being tested there. A few were lost during testing due to the exhaust tube failure; they kept falling off in flight. Eventually they solved the problem.

Well Gib, you did a great job on the YP-80. I've noticed that when you blast them with the Mk108, you sometimes see only the fuselage with a long exhaust tube still attached. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Anyways, I still want a Stork. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Fritz

dadada1
08-02-2005, 03:25 AM
Originally posted by Gibbage1:
2 YP-80's served in Italy before the close of WWII and did perform armed combat missions. They were both sent up to intercept a recon Me-262, but failed to locate the target.

The YP-80's were armed combat field test units.

Go-229 V1 and V2 both made flights. V1 was an un-powered glider, and V2 was jet powered. V2 crashed after a few test flights on landing. Its still a little unclear as to what caused its crash. Many sources point to many things. The most common reason was engine failure on landing. The V3 was changed quite a bit form the V2, was 99% complete and almost ready to fly. If the US army was delayed a few days, it would of flown. There were about 100 Go-229 V3's in various stages of production when the factory was over run.

The big differance between Axis prototypes and Allied prototypes was the Axis did not need to ship them for months to get them into combat. They just fly them from the factory!

Something like 30+ P-80's waited on an island near Japan for 4 months for parts so they can fly. The war ended just before they got those parts.

F8F was on its way into combat. First flew in 1944, and Grumman deliverd the first production moden in Feb 1945. But again, US had to SHIP its new stuff over into combat and that took moths, so it missed the war by a week. If it was Japanese or German, it would of been fighting in the war for a few months before it ended. Same with the P-80.

Homefield advantage I guess? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif But there was more P-80's and F8F's then Go-229's and 109Z's by a long shot. But the Ta-152 had numbers and also had combat victories. Guarding the defensless and poor Me-262 on landing. So much for short range not being a disadvantage! Heh.

The Ta 152 never guarded defensless Me 262's. I've got a book that says that as well but it and you are wrong. The Dietmar Harmann book (Schiffer)and JG 301 book (Kagero) give accurate service records of the Ta 152.

Nick_Toznost
08-02-2005, 08:05 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gibbage1:

Go-229 V1 and V2 both made flights. V1 was an un-powered glider, and V2 was jet powered. V2 crashed after a few test flights on landing. Its still a little unclear as to what caused its crash. Many sources point to many things. The most common reason was engine failure on landing. The V3 was changed quite a bit form the V2, was 99% complete and almost ready to fly. If the US army was delayed a few days, it would of flown. There were about 100 Go-229 V3's in various stages of production when the factory was over run.


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Found this picture on the net, Undoubtably a Go229 in my opinion but it seems to have props. What's going on? any ideas?

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b397/Nick_Toznost/i.jpg

Heliopause
08-02-2005, 08:31 AM
The Horten brothers developed the HO IX wich was later called GO 229. This because some personnel and drawings where brought over to Gotha for production.
Picture could be the Ho VII with Argus As 10c-engines.


Ta 152: It served with JG 301 in the final months of the war. The plane was used as top-cover for fighter-bombers on operations on the west- and easternfront.

YP-80: Operation "Extravision" sees 4 P-80 sent to Europe. Two go to Great Britain. The other two go to Italy.
The ones for GB where crated and send over there while the ones for Italy go together with groud crew and spare parts.
The two P-80 in GB where flown for the first time on Jan. 27 1945 after being assigned to the eight air force.
The next day, 44-83026 crashed after exploding in the air and killing the pilot.
The remaining plane was given to the Britisch who send it to Rolls-Royce. ( egine had a flame out on nov 14th. and made a forced landing ).

The P-80's in Italy made it through their demonstration period. Back in the USA one crashed on august 2nd during a ferry flight.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a138/heliopause/P-80.jpg

A.K.Davis
08-02-2005, 09:31 AM
The Bf-109Z is the only aircraft in the game that did not fly during the timeframe of WWII.

LStarosta
08-02-2005, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by Heliopause:
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a138/heliopause/P-80.jpg

Obviously, there was a 3rd P80 that took the picture of the other two P80's.

Obviously.

Zyzbot
08-02-2005, 10:10 AM
Originally posted by Nick_Toznost:

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Found this picture on the net, Undoubtably a Go229 in my opinion but it seems to have props. What's going on? any ideas?

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b397/Nick_Toznost/i.jpg


Not a GO-229 but Probably a photo of the HO-5. This was a prop pusher flying wing similar in appearance to the Northrop N9M.

http://www.nurflugel.com/Nurflugel/Horten_Nurflugels/ho_v/ho_v_c_on_ground.jpg

GR142_Astro
08-02-2005, 10:43 AM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Heliopause:
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a138/heliopause/P-80.jpg

Obviously, there was a 3rd P80 that took the picture of the other two P80's.

Obviously. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nice shot Helio.

What a beautiful and graceful looking aircraft the P80 is.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Low_Flyer_MkII
08-02-2005, 11:23 AM
These rare photos were taken shortly after the Luftwaffe realised it might have an image problem after the war....


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/il2fb2005-08-0118-15-44-11.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/il2fb2005-08-0118-15-53-40.jpg

NorrisMcWhirter
08-02-2005, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by A.K.Davis:
The Bf-109Z is the only aircraft in the game that did not fly during the timeframe of WWII.

Not that it flies on any servers, either.

But that doesn't stop people justifying 'certain' aircraft for not much more reason than the 109Z being in the game.

Ta,
Norris

Nick_Toznost
08-02-2005, 12:10 PM
Thanks for the info, that cleared up some stuff for me. Just recognised that pic as a "flying wing" and hence Go229. Did any of those prop ones see any action? Still way ahead of their time IMO. A B2 in the making really.

I've always been interested in aviation history but never really took it as far as being anything like an expert so excuse my naivity.

Low_Flyer, I remember those skins off the old Il2skins.com ugggh. I downloaded them for a laugh. They are so horrible. Why.

MEGILE
08-02-2005, 12:13 PM
Didn't Risto already try this joke?
besides we already know the TA-152 flew once, and crashed twice.

fordfan25
08-02-2005, 12:13 PM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
Well, I found a P47N.

http://www.pritchettcartoons.com/illustrations/bad_idea.gif

yea im sure you did. theres LOTS of pictures of those in real combat http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Capt.England
08-02-2005, 12:20 PM
Originally posted by Gibbage1:

Oleg spacifically specified for 1945-1946 aircraft to be modeled as long as we could find accurate data. So, if you think Oleg should have no say in what goes into IL2, and you do..... Thats news to the rest of us!

In that case, why did no one do the early meteor jets? Used in combat against V1's, and just missed out fighting the Me 262

Gibbage1
08-02-2005, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by Capt.England:


In that case, why did no one do the early meteor jets? Used in combat against V1's, and just missed out fighting the Me 262

Because....

#1. I did not like the Meteor. It looks ugly to me.

#2. It would of gotten OWNED by the Me-262 big time.

#3. The early models that flew in the war were not much faster then props.

#4. Pilots were RESTRICTED from doing acrobatics. Even from the factory, the Meteor came with extreamly heavy springs in the flight stick to prevent them from doing acrobatics. Why? How can you have a fighter thats restricted from doing acrobatics?

#5. I thought the P-80 would be much better for game balance. It is. Its a very even match for the Me-262 and even the little He-162!

I thought long and hard on what to model. I made my choice and I am happy with it. As to why noone else did it, thats a good question and one I cant answer. There was a few modelers who tried to do it, but they simply did not have the skill and it looked horrid.

Gibbage1
08-02-2005, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by Hoarmurath:
The most funny part is that it is the guy that modelled the Go-229 that complain regularly about it being a german fantasy plane... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Im still waiting for the quote you immature little kid.

telsono
08-02-2005, 12:58 PM
This book has pictures of many of the rare aircraft captured by the allies.

War Prizes: An Illustrated Survey of German, Italian and Japanese Aircraft Brought to Allied Countries During and After the Second World War (Hardcover)
by Phil Butler

I have a copy of it, its great. Its still listed on Amazon.com

VW-IceFire
08-02-2005, 01:19 PM
Here's a Ta-152H combat record. I haven't been able to find the actual information but a pair of Ta-152H's were engaged by Tempests from the 2nd TAF (I think 486 squadron but I could be wrong - I need to go back and look). Nonetheless...the Tempets and Ta-152s engaged in a low altitude turn fight. One of the Tempest pilots, probably more than a little green (probably one of those ill fated replacement pilots that were lost enmasse) stalled the plane right over the tree tops and crashed it. The Ta-152H's escaped unscathered.

Although neither plane was able to gain advantage to fire a killing shot...there was combat initiated by both sides.

Zyzbot
08-02-2005, 01:27 PM
Don't forget this combat!

"The first mission undertaken by III/JG 301 on March 2, 1945 was to intercept U.S. bombers heading for the Bohlen chemical plant near Leuna. It ended when pilots of a group of Messerschmitt BF 109s mistook the new German aircraft for the enemy and engaged them. No losses were incurred and the superior climbing and agility of the Ta 152 H allowed them to evade all of the "attackers".

faustnik
08-02-2005, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Nonetheless...the Tempets and Ta-152s engaged in a low altitude turn fight.

That's the strange part. The Ta was designed as a high altitude fighter and ended up spending most of its combat time down low. The Ta152s did very well in combat, all couple dozen of them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Atomic_Marten
08-02-2005, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by faustnik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Nonetheless...the Tempets and Ta-152s engaged in a low altitude turn fight.

That's the strange part. The Ta was designed as a high altitude fighter and ended up spending most of its combat time down low. The Ta152s did very well in combat, all couple dozen of them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nah that's nothing weird compared to one skilled LW pilot in FW-190 that was evading a pair of Soviet Cobras by turning around the church.. Now this ain't no joke apparently that happened. And that was IMHO some sight... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

The guy was succesfully evading attacks of the Soviet P-39s for more than 30mins. circling around the church, and leading P-39 was veteran VVS pilot, so the LW guy must have been some ace..

Unfortunately for him, just about when Cobras were calling for help and disengaging, since to low fuel, FW-190 has crashed. VVS guys have presumed that was due to lack of fuel..

Gibbage1
08-02-2005, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by Atomic_Marten:
Nah that's nothing weird compared to one skilled LW pilot in FW-190 that was evading a pair of Soviet Cobras by turning around the church.. Now this ain't no joke apparently that happened. And that was IMHO some sight... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

The guy was succesfully evading attacks of the Soviet P-39s for more than 30mins. circling around the church, and leading P-39 was veteran VVS pilot, so the LW guy must have been some ace..

Unfortunately for him, just about when Cobras were calling for help and disengaging, since to low fuel, FW-190 has crashed. VVS guys have presumed that was due to lack of fuel..

Must of been the two most stupid pilots in the air. 1 should of broke off, went high, and re-enguaged at a better angle.

Again, we see short range as a flaw, not a feature.

Atomic_Marten
08-02-2005, 02:46 PM
Yeah.. I have just checked the story again (was in mid 1944)... that was Junior Lt. V Petukhov (flight leader) and Junior Lt. M Novikov that were conducting free hunt mission.. they have shot down FW-189 "Rama" and then head for base, when Petukhov spotted FW-190 below them. He dove on butcher bird but the German had spotted him, and was evading 'till they enter some village and German started to turn around the large village church.
Petukhov was so eager to shot him down, and he was deaf on Novikov's reccomendations that they should break from chase and head home.
Once when FW-190 was crashed, Petukhov made few circles above smoking FW-190 and give a burst to smoking FW-190 on ground; after that the FW-190 was all in flames.
German pilot apparently, was lost in his machine...

Low_Flyer_MkII
08-02-2005, 05:06 PM
Low_Flyer, I remember those skins off the old Il2skins.com ugggh. I downloaded them for a laugh. They are so horrible. Why.

I would have thought a man with the Sooty Geschwader in his sig might get the joke http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

darkhorizon11
08-02-2005, 05:21 PM
go to nurflugel.com

Great site, they got all kinds of info about the Horten and Northup flying wings.

I can't believe people are still ripping about the YP-80. Thats the only wonder plane the Allies have, well and the BI-1.

The Lufties got like 6 or 7 now, one of which only flew about a dozen test flights and the other, well, never it made it out of the hanger.

SkyChimp
08-02-2005, 07:06 PM
Originally posted by PraetorHonoris:
I'd be rather interessted in WWII combat records of YP-80.

It shot down precisely as many planes as the Bf-109K-4 with Flettner tabs did.

TAGERT.
08-02-2005, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by SkyChimp:
It shot down precisely as many planes as the Bf-109K-4 with Flettner tabs did. ROTFL!

Badsight.
08-02-2005, 10:44 PM
ive never mentioned this before . . . . . . . .

but i want to go on the record for wanting a Kyushu J7W1 Shinden

Badsight.
08-02-2005, 10:47 PM
Originally posted by darkhorizon11:
The Lufties got like 6 or 7 now, one of which only flew about a dozen test flights and the other, well, never it made it out of the hanger. the only fantasy plane in FB-PF is the Bf-109 Z

that being said i feel it would be awesome to see how this thing would perform against the main WW2 fighters !

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2305/xf5ux72gc.jpg i feel that it would be total kickass , nearly 90% as good as a Kyushu SHINDEN would have been

nearly

Badsight.
08-02-2005, 10:56 PM
Originally posted by Zyzbot:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nick_Toznost:

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Found this picture on the net, Undoubtably a Go229 in my opinion but it seems to have props. What's going on? any ideas?

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b397/Nick_Toznost/i.jpg


Not a GO-229 but Probably a photo of the HO-5. This was a prop pusher flying wing similar in appearance to the Northrop N9M.

http://www.nurflugel.com/Nurflugel/Horten_Nurflugels/ho_v/ho_v_c_on_ground.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>those 2 planes look different ! , that top one looks awesome from that angle

need more pics !

dadada1
08-03-2005, 07:01 AM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Here's a Ta-152H combat record. I haven't been able to find the actual information but a pair of Ta-152H's were engaged by Tempests from the 2nd TAF (I think 486 squadron but I could be wrong - I need to go back and look). Nonetheless...the Tempets and Ta-152s engaged in a low altitude turn fight. One of the Tempest pilots, probably more than a little green (probably one of those ill fated replacement pilots that were lost enmasse) stalled the plane right over the tree tops and crashed it. The Ta-152H's escaped unscathered.

Although neither plane was able to gain advantage to fire a killing shot...there was combat initiated by both sides.


The JG301 pilots of the Ta 152's in the engagement were Fritz Aufhammer and Willi Resche. During the engagement Fritz Aufhammer's Ta 152 was seen to hit the ground for no apparent reason, leaving Resche to continue the fight. I beleive the downed RAF Tempest pilot was a New Zealander. He did stall his aircraft as you mention, but only after he'd taken some cannon rounds to the tail of his AC from Resche's guns. At this point Resche's cannon's jammed and he was unable to get them working again despite his best efforts to clear the jam. Resche then used a strategy of turning with the Tempest and placing his AC in a position where he knew the pilot would see the Ta behind him. The unfortunate RAF pilot had either taken damage or panicked and pulled back on the stick a little too hard, stalled and collided with the tree tops. The place where he crashed was not far from the wreckage of Aufhammer's plane. Consequently the remains of both pilots were buried next to each other in the woods.

Zyzbot
08-03-2005, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by Badsight.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zyzbot:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nick_Toznost:

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Found this picture on the net, Undoubtably a Go229 in my opinion but it seems to have props. What's going on? any ideas?

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b397/Nick_Toznost/i.jpg


Not a GO-229 but Probably a photo of the HO-5. This was a prop pusher flying wing similar in appearance to the Northrop N9M.

http://www.nurflugel.com/Nurflugel/Horten_Nurflugels/ho_v/ho_v_c_on_ground.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>those 2 planes look different ! , that top one looks awesome from that angle

need more pics ! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Checking further...it is a Horton VII not a Horton V

http://www2s.biglobe.ne.jp/~FlyWing/image/H_VII_in_flight.jpg

http://www2s.biglobe.ne.jp/~FlyWing/FlyingWing_Horten.html

Aaron_GT
08-03-2005, 10:32 AM
#3. The early models that flew in the war were not much faster then props.

#4. Pilots were RESTRICTED from doing acrobatics. Even from the factory, the Meteor came with extreamly heavy springs in the flight stick to prevent them from doing acrobatics. Why? How can you have a fighter thats restricted from doing acrobatics?

Gibbage, this was the F.I, essentially a production test plane much like the YP-80, Following on from this was the F.III which was faster and not restricted and saw combat over Holland. The F.4, which first flew between VE and VJ day was 30mph faster than the YP80 and held the world speed record in September 1946.

Capt.England
08-03-2005, 01:48 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif
One thing that I would like to see is an 1946-1950 luft sim that would be like IL-2, and not arcade. Yes I know most of the planes that you would fly never did, but at least it would be different as after 25 years of playing home computer games I'm starting to get bored of seeing the same WW2 action. I just wished that I had the skill to program this kind of sim! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

WarWolfe_1
08-03-2005, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkII:
These rare photos were taken shortly after the Luftwaffe realised it might have an image problem after the war....


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/il2fb2005-08-0118-15-44-11.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/il2fb2005-08-0118-15-53-40.jpg



http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

I'm making that a background.

FliegerAas
08-03-2005, 04:53 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
http://www.twitt.org/ho_xii_oxen.jpg

LStarosta
08-03-2005, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by FliegerAas:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
http://www.twitt.org/ho_xii_oxen.jpg

R
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Then again, with gas prices soaring, I'll probably have to get my dog to tow my riding lawnmower.

Atomic_Marten
08-03-2005, 05:31 PM
Now that's hilarious. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

fordfan25
08-03-2005, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by FliegerAas:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
http://www.twitt.org/ho_xii_oxen.jpg

LMFAO

reminds me of an old joke. i wont tell it do to forum rules but it involves a shack,can of porknbeans and 8 Cadillac's