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lezbianseagull
11-09-2008, 01:41 PM
I need some veteran experience here.

Rate your favorite planes by catagory.

1. Durability
2. Firepower
3. Speed
4. Dive
5. Roll
6. climb
7. Acceleration
8. Turn

There are so many types of planes...each with there strenghts and weakness's. (I've been totaly blown away with this game so far)...I'm surprised at the differences between planes and the fact that fighting a superior plane in it's element useully means a quick death...

lezbianseagull
11-09-2008, 01:46 PM
I'll start off first.

A6 (zero)

1. Durrability: Horendous...one round of anyting and you are toast!!

2. Firepower: Decent, but the canon rounds run out to quickly

3. Speed: Definatly a weakness. You will probably not be able to outrun or catch anything.

4. Dive: Another weakness, due to the zeros lack of handling at high speed

5. Roll: Fantastic, this really is a fun plane to fly

6. Climb: Pretty good

7. Acceleration: Good

8. Turn: Fantastic!!! At slow speeds, nothing out turns you...except them pesky bi-planes.

lezbianseagull
11-09-2008, 01:51 PM
fw 190

1. Durability: Pretty damn good...

2. Firepower: Very nice...

3. Speed: Fantastic! You can useully outrun/catch any prop plane

4. Dive: Fantastic! handles well even at 700+kmh

5. Roll: UNBELIEVABLE...

6. Cimb: Ok...

7. Acceleration: Ok

8. Turn: Average, not the planes str. but it turns well enough to get guns on moderatley evading targets.

lezbianseagull
11-09-2008, 01:56 PM
P38

1. Durability: Moderate/low

2. Firepower: FANTASTIC! Tons of Ammo, great armament..and can out range virtually any other fighter in the game.

3. Speed: Ok. Not as good as I was hopeing for considering the two engines make you a prime target.

4. Dive: Poor...the plane loses much control at high speeds. Which is a real weakness for this plane

5. Roll: Moderate/poor You won't lose anyone by rolling, but you can stay on target well enough in this aspect

6. Cimb: Very nice....

7. Acceleration: Good

8. Turn: Don't try to turn in a dogfight. Unstable and saps of energy very quickly.

PanzerAce2.0
11-09-2008, 03:18 PM
Ki-43

Durability: Um.....hope you don't hit any birds in flight

Firepower: Negligible

Speed: Actually not that bad for early war stuff. It might take awhile, but it can get going at a good clip

Dive: Not outstanding, but not that bad either

Roll: Only thing I've found better is the biplanes and the I-16 (toss up there)

Climb: Pretty good

Acceleration: Not the best

Turn: Only thing that'll out turn it is a biplane.


The best tactic I've found for the -43 is to stay low, and just creep up on someone already engaged in a flight. Because it isn't very high power, you can easily control your distance from the enemy, and then the twin MGs in the nose are actually really nice for PKs or destroying cables/holing wings.

I_KG100_Prien
11-09-2008, 03:35 PM
JU-88

1) Durability: I like being PKed instantly by .303's. Other than that durability is fine with me.

2) My gunners shot up a P-38 as I flew over an airfield once. So I'd say firepower is good enough.

3) Who needs speed when you've got defensive gunners?

4) Dive Brakes. 'Nuff Said

5) Fast enough for me

6) ME-163 has nothing on me...

7) Heavy. Point nose straight down. Accelerates quickly towards target..

8) I can turn well enough to expose all of my plane to an attacking fighter. This makes his job of raking every square inch of my plane with bullets easy enough.

No41Sqn_Banks
11-09-2008, 03:42 PM
Spitfire

1. Durability: Good but not best
2. Firepower: Good but not best
3. Speed: Good but not best
4. Dive: Good but not best
5. Roll: Good but not best
6. climb: Good but not best
7. Acceleration: Good but not best
8. Turn: Good but not best

lezbianseagull
11-09-2008, 04:39 PM
What plane climbs better than the spit?

Those things seem to climb like no other....am I wrong?

PanzerAce2.0
11-09-2008, 04:44 PM
-47s, -51s, -38s, -335s, and some others climb like there is no tomorrow.

Bearcat99
11-09-2008, 05:39 PM
This could be a very long thread... However there are utilities available at M4T (http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&c=550) that already do a lot of the legwork in this thread.

ElAurens
11-09-2008, 05:58 PM
The P47 and P51 are good in the climb?

This is news to me. They both have rather mediocre initial ROC, as do most US single seaters in the game, and in real life.

Now... on to my favorite, the Curtiss Hawk 81 and 87.

Durability: Excellent, except for the glass jaw Allison. (Not remotely historic BTW).

Firepower: Very good. Perhaps the best 6 .50 Browning platform in the sim.

Speed: Good against it's historic adversary's in the Pacific and in level flight not too far off it's western front enemies as well.

Dive: Excellent in the dive. One of it's greatest strengths.

Roll: Only the FW 190 is better.

Climb: The P40's Achilles' heel.

Acceleration: See above.

Turn: Only bad when compared to the Zeke and Oscar, and biplanes of course.

When used properly the P40 can be lethal against about anything in the game, save the jets.

WTE_Galway
11-09-2008, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by lezbianseagull:
I need some veteran experience here.

Rate your favorite planes by catagory.

1. Durability
2. Firepower
3. Speed
4. Dive
5. Roll
6. climb
7. Acceleration
8. Turn

There are so many types of planes...each with there strenghts and weakness's. (I've been totaly blown away with this game so far)...I'm surprised at the differences between planes and the fact that fighting a superior plane in it's element useully means a quick death...

Fiesler Storch

1. Durability
Nil

2. Firepower
Nil

3. Speed
minimal

4. Dive
dangerous

5. Roll
if you must

6. climb
slow but sure

7. Acceleration
what ??

8. Turn
yeah we can do that one

9. land sideways on an escort carrier
not a problem

FlatSpinMan
11-09-2008, 07:15 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

CUJO_1970
11-09-2008, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by WTE_Galway:

8. Turn
yeah we can do that one

9. land sideways on an escort carrier
not a problem

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I love the Storch.

CUJO_1970
11-09-2008, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by lezbianseagull:
I need some veteran experience here.

Rate your favorite planes by catagory.

1. Durability
2. Firepower
3. Speed
4. Dive
5. Roll
6. climb
7. Acceleration
8. Turn




FW190A3/4

1. Durability - good enough

2. Firepower - 4 20mm cannons and 2 HMG, can destroy anything in a single pass. Master of multiple kill sorties.

3. Speed - Outclasses any contemporary fighter.

4. Dive - high dive speed, high structural integrity on pullout. First class "bounce and destroy" aircraft. Death from above for those below.

5. Roll - best in class thank you very much.

6. Climb - if you must, do it at high speed and proper AOA.

7. Acceleration - historically in 42-43, only 109 would be a bit better.

8. Turn - WTF would I want to do that? A Spitfire pilot once said it best: "Turning doesn't win battles." http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Erkki_M
11-10-2008, 01:25 AM
In game P51

1. Durability: moderate, but you will still find it explode often because its main opponents are the FW190 and the MK108 armed 109s. Especially the engine is weak.

2. Firepower: OK. Heavy mgs are easy to hit with though require more hits to down a plane than, say, cannons. Lots of ammo. In IL2 some of the real advantages of the 50 cal weaponry in US aircraft are not and cannot be modelled.

3. Speed: excellent. B & C Mustangs can outrun & catch all German aircraft until FW190A9, FW190D9 and Bf109K4. The P51D is faster than all German aircraft but the FW190D9(which is faster at some altitudes). Mustang MK3 is the fastest propeller driven aircraft in the whole game. All Mustangs can outrun any other prop driven aircraft in a shallow(!) dive.

4. Dive: excellent. It is actually so good at diving that it is too good for some. Even after a steep high speed dive P51s can gather back more of the initial altitude than any other prop. Whilst diving, remember that P51 also has the most effective controls...

5. Roll: mediocre. At medium and high speeds it rolls fairly well, much better than Bf109s for example, but it loses the advantage at lower speeds.

6. Climb: mediocre. Bf109s, Spitfires and late FW190s all climb better, though FW190s only little better if better at all. Luckily Bf109s are even slower than FW190s and easy to get rid of once you take them to high speeds.

7. Acceleration: poor. Especially compared to, again, Spitfire, 109 and 190s. Almost on par with 190As, though.

8. Turn: if you really want to do that, it is outstanding at medium to high speeds, mediocre at low speeds. However, late FW190s are even more outstanding at higher speeds, so be cautious. You will easily outturn them at lower speeds, though. The very opposite with 109s.

SterlingX
11-10-2008, 05:23 AM
Il-10

1. Durability - second to none
2. Firepower - second to none
3. Speed - enough, 500 km/h +
4. Dive - goes 900km/h+ in a dive, keeps E extremely well after leveling off. Will catch FW190s most of the time.
5. Roll - average
6. climb - good
7. Acceleration - good
8. Turn - will outturn 109Ks (with flaps)

Divine-Wind
11-10-2008, 07:34 AM
Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
Fiesler Storch

1. Durability
Nil

2. Firepower
Nil

3. Speed
minimal

4. Dive
dangerous

5. Roll
if you must

6. climb
slow but sure

7. Acceleration
what ??

8. Turn
yeah we can do that one

9. land sideways on an escort carrier
not a problem
ROFL

Brain32
11-10-2008, 09:53 AM
BF-109K4

1. Durability

Dura...WHAT?

2. Firepower

Strong, with horrible ballistics

3. Speed

Excellent especially at high altitudes

4. Dive

Excellent if you don't plan to pull out, otherwise don't go over 380kmh

5. Roll

Possible

6. climb

Second to none

7. Acceleration

Impressive

8. Turn

Yes you can outturn some heavy bombers but only if they are fully loaded http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

general_kalle
11-10-2008, 10:20 AM
Heinkel Lerche B1

1. Durability

well, aslong as you only get hit by light mg you will likely suvive but otherwise its nothing to brag about.

2. firepower
X4 rockets rule!!! awesome weapon!
2 mk108: good power, bad ballistics. low ammo

3. speed
umatched by any Piston engine plane

4. dive
pretty damn good,

5. roll
pretty damn good, and hard to jugde which way its pointing

6. climb
second to none Brain32 wrote about the me109k4
thats not true. Lerche is truly Second to none.

7. acceleration
pretty damn good

8. turn
good enough but absolutly not the best

Divine-Wind
11-10-2008, 11:01 AM
Being serious now

Go 229:
1. Durability
Eh, about average I'd say

2. Firepower
Twin Mk 108s are cool

3. Speed
It's a jet

4. Dive
Above average, in my experience

5. Roll
Only if a pig is flying it

6. Climb
Climbs like a burning ninja with a jetpack. Except the ninja is weighted down with several thousand pounds of armor and two big f'ing guns

7. Acceleration
It can accelerate

8. Turns
Like a boat

VW-IceFire
11-10-2008, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by lezbianseagull:
I need some veteran experience here.

Rate your favorite planes by catagory.

1. Durability
2. Firepower
3. Speed
4. Dive
5. Roll
6. climb
7. Acceleration
8. Turn

There are so many types of planes...each with there strenghts and weakness's. (I've been totaly blown away with this game so far)...I'm surprised at the differences between planes and the fact that fighting a superior plane in it's element useully means a quick death...

Tempest Mark V
1. Durability: Reasonably tough in all areas except the chin radiator and the engine. Structurally tough but not exceptionally so.
2. Firepower: Extreme. The Tempest has one of the best armament configurations available with four rapid fire Hispano Mark V 20mm cannons doing more damage than anything except the Bf109 with 3xMK108 or the Me-262 with 4xMK108 and possibly a few other more exotic types. Also capable of carrying 2x1000lb bombs or 8 rockets.
3. Speed: Very fast down low and very fast at medium altitudes. Capable of competing with the fastest aircraft although in its 1944 configuration (in-game) its not going to win the speed prize. The advantage is mostly in being close to the fastest fighters at nearly all altitudes except at very high altitudes.
4. Dive: One of the best divers in the game. The Tempest picks up speed rapidly and maintains the speed after a dive.
5. Roll: Good to excellent depending on speed. At low and medium speeds the Tempest is responsive but not overly so. At high speeds the Tempest is very responsive. The benefit once again is that its not exceptionally slow in the roll at any speed and is good across the range.
6. Climb: Very good but not excellent. Out climbed by fighters like the Bf109K-4.
7. Acceleration: Very good but not excellent. Picks up speed rapidly in both level flight and in shallow dives. Infact a shallow dive is the best thing for the Tempest as its low drag design allows it to pick up and keep much of the speed gained in a shallow dive.
8. Turn: Average to good depending on speed. The Tempest turns well at high speeds and is very responsive at any speed, however, sustained turns are not recommended because as speed decreases the turn becomes increasingly wide despite the illusion of being responsive. Its great to make a quick snap shot and bring a lead onto the target but not good in a prolonged turn fight.

VW-IceFire
11-10-2008, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
Being serious now

Go 229:
2. Firepower
Twin Mk 108s are cool

Twin MK103s actually. Higher muzzle velocity than the MK108.

PanzerAce2.0
11-10-2008, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by general_kalle:
Heinkel Lerche B1

2. firepower
X4 rockets rule!!! awesome weapon!
2 mk108: good power, bad ballistics. low ammo


You get a good deal more ammo if you don't carry the X-4s http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Divine-Wind
11-10-2008, 11:02 PM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
Being serious now

Go 229:
2. Firepower
Twin Mk 108s are cool

Twin MK103s actually. Higher muzzle velocity than the MK108. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh


They both sound cool though. In fact if I could make the .50 caliber sound and look like the Mk 103/108 I would be happy in my pants.

lezbianseagull
11-12-2008, 06:28 PM
Yak3

1. Durabiltiy, average/above average

2. Firepower, Very Good

3. Speed, Very fast

4. Dive. Great

5. Roll. Tremendous (better than the zero)

6. Climb. Average

7. Acceleration. Good

8. Turn. Awesome!!!

I can see why this plane is arguable the greatest dog fighter under 5k. It moves like a zero, but faster, better in a dive, and much more surviable.....a pretty damn good combination! I honestly can't think of anything the Zero is better in....which is quite amazing when you consider that this plane is much faster, AND better in a dive.

Woke_Up_Dead
11-12-2008, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by lezbianseagull:
Yak3

1. Durabiltiy, average/above average

2. Firepower, Very Good

3. Speed, Very fast

4. Dive. Great

5. Roll. Tremendous (better than the zero)

6. Climb. Average

7. Acceleration. Good

8. Turn. Awesome!!!

I can see why this plane is arguable the greatest dog fighter under 5k. It moves like a zero, but faster, better in a dive, and much more surviable.....a pretty damn good combination! I honestly can't think of anything the Zero is better in....which is quite amazing when you consider that this plane is much faster, AND better in a dive.

That's one of my favourite planes too, but I have a slightly different view of it:

1) Durability: Strong fuselage, glass wings.

2) Firepower: Average, very little amo though.

3) Speed: Fast, but not a speed demon. Best down low.

4) Dive: Average/below average compared to its contemporaries, unless it's the Yak-3VK-107 in which case it's excellent. All Yaks maintain their speed after a dive very nicely.

5) Roll: Excellent

6) Climb: Better than most, don't try to outclimb a 109 or Spitfire though.

7) Acceleration. Good

8) Turn. Very good, use flaps at low speeds.

Woke_Up_Dead
11-12-2008, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by Woke_Up_Dead:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by lezbianseagull:
Yak3

1. Durabiltiy, average/above average

2. Firepower, Very Good

3. Speed, Very fast

4. Dive. Great

5. Roll. Tremendous (better than the zero)

6. Climb. Average

7. Acceleration. Good

8. Turn. Awesome!!!

I can see why this plane is arguable the greatest dog fighter under 5k. It moves like a zero, but faster, better in a dive, and much more surviable.....a pretty damn good combination! I honestly can't think of anything the Zero is better in....which is quite amazing when you consider that this plane is much faster, AND better in a dive.

That's one of my favourite planes too, but I have a slightly different view of it:

1) Durability: Strong fuselage, glass wings.

2) Firepower: Average, very little amo though.

3) Speed: Fast, but not a speed demon. Best down low.

4) Dive: Average/below average compared to its contemporaries, unless it's the Yak-3VK-107 in which case it's excellent. All Yaks maintain their speed after a dive very nicely.

5) Roll: Excellent

6) Climb: Better than most, don't try to outclimb a 109 or Spitfire though.

7) Acceleration. Good

8) Turn. Very good. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

WTE_Galway
11-12-2008, 09:30 PM
Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
Being serious now

Go 229:
2. Firepower
Twin Mk 108s are cool

Twin MK103s actually. Higher muzzle velocity than the MK108. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh


They both sound cool though. In fact if I could make the .50 caliber sound and look like the Mk 103/108 I would be happy in my pants. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The MK103 had higher muzzle velocity but at the expense of a substantially larger shell (and hence less ammo)much heavier gun and a lower ROF. Huge amount of punch but mainly wasted against other aircraft.



lets look at a photo http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



http://www.municion.org/cintes/Varies.jpg

On the left MK103, middle pair are both Mk108, the right pair are mg151/20 20mm rounds.



Now some stats ...

MK 103
Firing a mixture of:
Sprenggranatpatrone
Minengescho▀
Panzersprenggranatpatrone
30 x 184B
Weight of round 330 g
ROF 420 rpm
Muzzle Velocity 860 m/s
Weight of Weapon. 141 kg

MK 108
Minengescho▀ 108 El o. Zerl.
30 x 90RB
Weight of round 312 g
ROF 600 rpm
Muzzle Velocity 505 m/s
Weight of Weapon 60 kg


Overall the MK108 was the better aircraft vs aircraft weapon. The Mk103 with high muzzle velocity and AP shells available had better armor penetration but this was mainly valued for ground attack. In fact tungsten cored Mki103 was reserved for ground attack.



The 0.50 cal of course does not compare (hence the need for eight guns) ...


Browning .50 M2
12.7 x 99
Weight of round 48.5g
ROF 750 rpm
Muzzle Velocity 870 m/s
Weight of Weapon. 30 kg



Final comparison picture .. 7.92 mm machine gun 3rd from right, 0.50 cal 6th from right ... through to MK103 far left.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/jgfive/inertammo.jpg

lezbianseagull
11-12-2008, 09:36 PM
Interesting about the rounds...

It's surprisng that the velocity of the 50 cal is less than the MUCH bigger 103 round.....

I must explore this in my new favorite game...

Any good links to plane armament?

WTE_Galway
11-12-2008, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by lezbianseagull:
Interesting about the rounds...

It's surprisng that the velocity of the 50 cal is less than the MUCH bigger 103 round.....

I must explore this in my new favorite game...

Any good links to plane armament?

This site is good ...

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/8217/fgun/fgun-in.html

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/8217/fgun/fgun-pe.html

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/8217/fgun/fgun-bi.html

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/8217/fgun/fgun-ch.html

Also this one on German Cannon

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/guns.html

Brain32
11-13-2008, 11:35 AM
Well this went civil so far so I guess it's fine to continue...

The only Spitfire I fly: SpitfireMkIXe CW

1. Durabilitiy

A: Inconsistent, overall it's average, but sometimes you explode by single burst, sometimes it feels like flying B-17

2. Firepower

A: Pretty much average, great ballistic characteritics of the guns installed

3. Speed

A: It moves...

4. Dive

A: Unexplainable dive acceleration, average VNe(820Km/h), loses speed after a dive pretty quick

5. Roll

Unlike the full wing, quite solid, that's why I choose it over vanilla MkIXe

6. Climb

Top class but not best, turn climbing unmatchable

7. Acceleration

Impressive!

8. Turn

Not quite as good as full wing but still unmatched by opposition...

lezbianseagull
11-13-2008, 11:39 AM
Interesting...about the spit variations...I didn't know there was such a difference between them....

Can you evaluate the other versions as well?

Brain32
11-14-2008, 02:26 PM
Well there isn't really much to say, full wing MkIX turn better, especially at low speed and rolls worse everything else is the same, HF is a mad@ss at high altitude.