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GH_Klingstroem
10-18-2007, 04:38 AM
Alot of poeple have PMd me and asked for my P51 stick settings.
Remember the p51 had an extremly senstive set of controls, especially the rudder and the elevator and if these movements are not dampened and filtered u will get a gunsight that moves up and down and u cant hit a thing!
So here they are. Enjoy!
[rts_joystick]
X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Y=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Z=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
RZ=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
FF=1
U=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
V=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1X=0 0 3 9 16 25 34 46 59 75 100 40
1Y=3 0 1 3 6 12 21 35 51 67 91 60
1RZ=12 0 1 2 3 9 16 28 41 70 100 80
1U=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1V=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0

These are for a Microsoft Force feedback stick so they should work for any stick at about the same size!
Alot of poeple have 100 all the way, that is just ridiculous unless u have a stick thats exactly the same size as the real stick in the actual AC u are flying which 99% of us dont have!
Try these out and let me get ur feedback!

Just go to ur conf.ini file and open it, scroll down to ur
[rts_joystick] and insert the above settings! Save ur current settings as a backup!

These setting will make the AC feel abit more sluggish at first but it isnt!! What it does is to let u move the stick more without affecting the aircraft too much. Alot of people complain about stalling every time they fly the p51.. Thats not gonna happen with these settings!
Enjoy!

T_O_A_D
10-18-2007, 06:59 AM
I use the same stick, in combination with CH pedals, and a X-45 throttle.

Just remember guys, if you use multy controllers, you just can't copy paste, you will need to determine the propper lines to adjust to match his actual settings, to your rig.More on that here (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/2621070282?r=8611005282#8611005282)

GH_Klingstroem
10-18-2007, 07:34 AM
yes thats true! Thx TOAD!

zxwings
12-02-2007, 05:58 PM
1X=0 0 3 9 16 25 34 46 59 75 100 40
1Y=3 0 1 3 6 12 21 35 51 67 91 60
1RZ=12 0 1 2 3 9 16 28 41 70 100 80

I have a question.

I can't understand why the first and the last number of the 1Y axis are NOT zero, but 3 and 60 respectively. It is the same with other axes. I have no idea what the first and the last number in each array of numbers are for, so I used to take it for granted that they all should be zero.

So, could you explain why you've changed them from zero to 3 and 60, etc?

Thank you!

PF_Coastie
12-02-2007, 06:06 PM
The first number is the deadband and the last number is the filtering.

FoolTrottel
12-02-2007, 11:01 PM
So, could you explain why you've changed them from zero to 3 and 60, etc?
The tools in my sig will help you with that...
(and others in need of changing settings...)

Use IL2-Sticks for better understanding it all (as it comes with a Help file) and JoyControl for a more complete tool (as it will show the axis' deflections and resulting 'forces')

Have Fun!

zxwings
12-03-2007, 03:36 AM
Thank you PF_Coastie and FoolTrottel!

And, FoolTrottel, you created utilities for the sim yourself - oh you're great! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

GH_Klingstroem
12-03-2007, 05:02 AM
Ok guys I have realiased a few things within the last weeks

For those of you that have the CH stick, your CH stick properties will override the il2 inputs!
It doesnt seem to matter what u set under inputs in il2.

So to fly the p51 use il2 "CH control manager" and create a very gentle curve for the elevator and the rudder and aileron! Also decrease the sensitivity for it!!

Bearcat99
06-27-2009, 12:46 PM
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VMF-214_HaVoK
06-27-2009, 09:29 PM
For those of you that have the CH stick, your CH stick properties will override the il2 inputs!
It doesnt seem to matter what u set under inputs in il2.

It matters what I set mine to in IL2. I use IL2 Joycontrol to adjust mine and it has always functioned properly.

CH Fighterstick CH Pro Throttle CH Pro Pedals


[rts_joystick]
X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Y=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Z=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100
RZ=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
FF=0
U=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
V=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1X2=0 25 33 42 50 58 67 75 83 92 100 0
1Y2=0 20 29 38 47 56 64 73 82 91 100 0
1Y1=0 1 12 23 34 45 56 67 78 89 100 0
1Z1=0 10 14 18 24 33 42 54 68 83 100 0
1Z=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1X=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1Y=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1X1=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1Z2=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0

S~

BillSwagger
06-27-2009, 10:03 PM
thanks for the advice.

I've been practicing with the P-51 but for some reason i have an easier time maintaining energy in other aircraft.

Its a bit confusing, because historically wasn't the P-51 known for its energy retention??
It is fast out of a shallow dive and in level flight, but a series of gentle turns seems to slow it down quite a bit. I can make tighter turns in other aircraft and still maintain a majority of the energy that i had entering the turn.
I recognize the P-51 is a better aircraft if flown above 15K, like most other planes in the game. Aside from engine management and control sensitivity, what are some common mistakes people make, that might keep them from getting the most out of the plane's energy retaining airfoil?

VMF-214_HaVoK
06-27-2009, 10:08 PM
but a series of gentle turns seems to slow it down quite a bit.

Same holds true for most aircraft in the game bud.

S!

BillSwagger
06-27-2009, 11:50 PM
right,
but if the P-51 ends up slower at the end of those series of turns, then why fly the P-51??

VMF-214_HaVoK
06-28-2009, 12:01 AM
Gentle turns as you say bleeds off no more E then other fighters. Combat turns however should be avoided. Personally I only resort to a "turn fight" as a last option no matter what plane I am flying. Even if you achieve a victory over your opponent you end up in a bad position.

Engaging in a turn is not the best tactical solution. It does not matter what your aircraft of choice is.

S!

BillSwagger
06-28-2009, 02:45 AM
Combat turns do bleed the most energy. In regards to an energy fight, it seems the P-51 loses more energy if even making the most gentle turns. More so than some other aircraft.

I've tried to get what i can out of that plane, but using similar energy tactics in other planes has proven more successful for myself.

Trefle
06-28-2009, 03:09 AM
I'm surprised cause from my experience , if i have to quote 3 planes that hold their energy the best during combat manoeuvers in this sim ( i mean very gentle turns on the vertical or spirals , not flat hard turns ) , i would say the P-63 , the 190 Dora and the P-51 .

If you stay with 100% "prop pitch" all the time and do not close rad , the Pony won't give his best E retention , same as if it's not well trimmed for speed (the rudder axis especially needs to be centered ) , but i suspect that as a Jug driver you know this by heart which is why i'm a bit surprised that you find the 51's energy retention lacking in combat , it should be better than the Thunderbolt in theory , except in dives/zooms . What else could hinder energy retention , being too brutal on elevator inputs perhaps

BillSwagger
06-28-2009, 03:46 AM
The Jug does well for me primarily because of its superior zoom and even the F4U has an advantage in this regard.

I should pay more attention to things like prop pitch and rad settings, because other than BnZ i don't see the P-51 as a comparable energy fighter.
I can make one pass, then fly straight until im far enough away to make a safe turn, then make another pass.
In an F4U, i can make my pass and extend, make a quick turn and be near the same velocity i was exiting my pass. My victim has less time to react and prepare for an attack.

maybe it just comes down to flying style, and the P-51 doesn't tend to mine very well.

horseback
06-28-2009, 12:52 PM
The Mustang in the game is extremely trim sensitive; a change of 10-15mph up or down seems to need a trim adjustment in rudder and elevator to keep the ball centered (and IMHO, the ball is waaay over sensitive and lies like my ex wife wishes she could, so keep it away from your credit cards).

It takes at least four or five hours' practice for me to get the knack of flying the Mustang effectively if I spend much time at all flying something else. It's that different.

In my experience, only the P-39 comes close to being as tempramental.

cheers

horseback