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Odie1974
06-04-2009, 06:55 AM
Hi All,

This is my first post on this forum, so please be patient with me.

I have just installed the IL2 Sturmovik game (patched to 1.20ov) version - the first of the series http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I like the game immensely and I am planning to get the '1946 release' eventually, but for now I am playng the first title.

Anyways: I have changed my Logitech old joy to Saitek Cyborg Evo w/ FFb (first time in my life i am using ffb joystick).
I have tried playing with sensitivity curves but whatever I do I noticed that the planes are slow turning for me - even when the stick is pulled to the max. Whatever I do I can not stall the plane when turning (and I could do so using my old joystick with a flick of the wrist ...).

So the questions I have are as follows:
1. Were the WW2 planes relly that slow in turning?
2. How can I increase the responsiveness / sensitivity of my Saitek? The settings I have now are as follows (the same as Oleg's setings)

Roll: 1 3 6 12 21 32 44 61 81 100
Pitch: 1 4 8 15 24 33 44 60 77 100
Yaw: 0 10 19 32 43 54 63 74 86 100

What I would like to get is thet a small movement of the stick does not make the nose jump, medium makes a nice, controlled turn and maxxed out makes a fast turn / stall sometimes?

3. I noticed that Force Feedback response is quite weak (much weaker in game than when testing the stick from Win driver screen).
Is that how it is supposed to be? I have the gain settings 100% and spring 50%/checked.

4. I noticed that sometimes there is virtually no resistance (say at 240 - 300 mph) whn pitching the nose up/down but when the speed is about 400, I feel some resistance - I assume it is correct, no?

BTW I am flying BF-109 for now...
Many thanks for your help

CloCloZ
06-04-2009, 08:54 AM
1) About the question "Were the WW2 planes really that slow in turning?"

I remember that somewhere in a IL-2 site (maybe just in this Forum) there is an old post saying that famous Capt. Eric Brown, while praising overall Il-2 "realism" stated that IL-2 planes turn too sharply when compared to real life WWII planes. He also suggested some VERY smooth joystick settings that I suppose almost nobody uses ... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
So I don't think IL-2 planes turns "slowly".
Just a question: did you previously played MS Combat Flight Simulator or similar almost arcade-like WWII simulators? If yes, that could be an answer. IL-2 is much more realistic about flight model.


2) I use a Saitek Evo Force but I never played your IL-2 version (I started with 1946), so I don't know if it makes some differences.
BTW, I think it would be good for you to make a small "investment" in 1946, it's incredibly cheap now for a game of such a quality and still fully enjoyable even after almost eight years after presentation of first version!

Anyway, these are my joystick settings in conf.ini:

[rts_joystick]
X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Y=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Z=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100
RZ=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
FF=1
U=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
V=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1X=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1Y=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1Z=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1RZ=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0

I tried Oleg's settings but I prefer these (I even don't remember if they are the defaults!). Please note that I fly the Tempest the most of the time (it's a BnZ plane that is best flown with fast and not too tight turns), so I chose my best setting for that plane. Anyway, I never felt the need to change them on other planes (for example, I'm currently enjoying a BF109E campaign and handling seems fine to me with those settings).


3) Force Feedback response "quite weak": I have gain settings 100% and spring 94%/checked (using Saitek driver 6.0.4.1; I remember than with older drivers I used lower gain/spring values, about 70%).
Still FFB is weaker in IL-2 than the most FFB effects I can test from Control Panel (even if weapons recoil FFB response is almost the same) but I'm perfectly satisfied with it: strong enough to be felt (stalls, wheels on track surface, etc.) but not so rough to excessively disturb when shooting (recoil) or flying (turbulence).
BTW, my SO is Win XP SP3.


4) Resistance increasing with speed seems to me a quite logical thing.


Enjoy the sim and the stick!

Odie1974
06-04-2009, 10:19 AM
No, I have never played any WW2 flight games.
The only sims I have ever played seriously were in the days of vector graphics http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif F-something on 386 processor, ah and Red Baron cauple of years ago http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I guess I am used to my old joystic - Logitech Wingman 2(?) - that was waay more sensitive, hence the impression of slow turning planes...

I'll definitely get the 1946 version, but now I am learning the old IL2 offline

toogame
06-04-2009, 11:13 PM
I have had the same problem and switched the same sticks

In your joystick setting ingame (rts_Joystick) yours is too low: e.g:
X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Y=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Z=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100
RZ=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0

Put them all to 100 and see the difference, the Evo is less sensitive than other sticks so needs more input earlier. I then set the first 2 or 3 numbers to a more gradual for aiming e.g:

40 70 90 100 100 100 100 100 100 100

do the same for all then fine tune them to your taste.

hope this helps