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durns82
01-13-2007, 09:52 AM
Hi,

I just got IL-2 1946, on the strength of a great review in pc gamer.
Its my first flight sim, and I'm happy to learn how to fly by myself (thats part of the fun right?).
My question is really: Where do i start?! There's so many campaigns, missions etc, its bewildering!

I'd like to do the campaigns, but starting with the original ones (i.e. the ones which it initially shipped with) and working forward from there. Would anyone happen to have some kind of 'order of battle' of which comes first, second etc?

Thanks for any help!

slipBall
01-13-2007, 10:26 AM
Hi there, and welcome!...Start with viewing the training tracks, and learning a little there....then start flying around a little in "quick mission builder" no fighting, just learning how to fly....this game has a rather steap learning curve....will be fun though....if you can already fly, take-off, land...then just decide for yourself on mission, campaigns, its all good<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Flying_Mex
01-13-2007, 10:37 AM
As already said, I would suggest playing with the Quick mission builder (QMB for short) first, before trying campaigns. The reson for this is, in my opinion, the campaigns throw a lot of stuff at you, as they assume that you already have a basic knowledge of the game.

There are no campaigns that are tutorials (as you see in other games), and so yo umust learn the basics by yourself (or wiht an instructor online).

First I would recommend learning how to land/takeoff, this alone can take a while (especially if you dont have a Joystick, if you don't...get one!). Then set up friendly bombers and try to shoot them down, after some succes move on to enemy bombers and finally enemy fighters. After this, in myopinion, you should be fine to try the campaigns (which are great btw). Then, after some more practice, you will be ready to get your behind kicked online :-)

Good luck, have fun, and feel free to ask questions.

P.S. There is a website which is basically a flight school. It is free and you can sign up and read all about it here:
http://www.joint-ops.com/joil2fb/default.asp

Also, I would strongly recomend joining a squad. The game really comes alive with other people. Search the Squadron forums, many have training programs that will take you from beginer to decent pilot...the rest is for the most part up to ya.
The squadron I belong to has this, and if you wish to check us out either check the post in the squdron forum (vultures row is the name), and/or check our site at www.vultures-row.com (http://www.vultures-row.com).
Good luck and hope you stick with it, as the more you put into it the better it gets!

major_setback
01-13-2007, 10:44 AM
Yes, use Quick Missions to start with, you can set unlimited ammunition in the difficulty section at the bottom of the Quick Mission Builder page. You could try against unarmed enemy at the start, you can set their ammo to zero bychosing the 'empty' option on the right hand button (from the drop down menu).


Tips:

Keep your speed up, too much turning will make you lose speed, and you will stall (not an engine stall, but aerodynamic stall) without enough speed to keep you in the air.

Dive for more speed.

Climbing will drain your speed.

You can turn more sharply by using 'combat flaps' ie the first flap setting (usually mapped to 'V'), raise them after turning. Using them makes you lose speed.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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heywooood
01-13-2007, 11:30 AM
Yes- definitely use the Quick Missions first - and practice all the basic elements of flying, such as take-offs and landings, coordinated turns (turning and banking the plane whilts keeping the 'ball' centered in your turn/bank indicator dial) and some simple combat manoevers like the Immelman and barrel roll etc...you can Google those terms if you are unfamiliar with them...

Then as major setback says - select enemy planes with 'empty' loadouts so you can attack them without being shot down yourself...you can practice headon attacks or slashing high angle boom and zoom etc...

Be sure to start with easier sttings at first if you are unfamiliar with flying sims...then work your way toward flying with spins stalls enabled and complex engine management (which isn't all that complex) and be sure to ask questions here if you have them.

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XyZspineZyX
01-13-2007, 12:11 PM
Originally posted by durns82: Would anyone happen to have some kind of 'order of battle' of which comes first, second etc?

Thanks for any help!

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Yup

Pick a plane. Make it one you like. Learn to fly it. Learn aerobatics. Learn to fly the plane 100% of the time as opposed to 'going along for the ride'

This will be frustrating. But there is a learning curve involved in simming that can be steep

It might also be worthwhile to learn the basics of flight- how a wing works, why the plane might yaw (might need to learn what that means http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ), and so forth<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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mrsiCkstar
01-13-2007, 12:13 PM
all I can add is welcome to the community http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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jarink
01-13-2007, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by BBB462cid:
Pick a plane. Make it one you like. Learn to fly it. Learn aerobatics. Learn to fly the plane 100% of the time as opposed to 'going along for the ride'

There are a number of planes that are considered good ones to learn in. P-40E, Hurricane, IL-2, A6M are all ones typically mentioned in this regard. (do a search in the forums if you want to find more comprehensive lists).

I can't find the thread (might've been on a different site), but someone posted a topic about a small utility called Air Combat Maneuver Visualization which shows typical maneuvers in a 3D window. It's pretty cool, actually. It uses modern planes in the program, but the tactics still hold true for this game.

I'll see if I can track it down.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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AWL_Spinner
01-13-2007, 12:43 PM
Hello, welcome, and enjoy the next five years or more of addiction the 1C:Maddox product line will bring you! (and, if you don't already have such things, the pleasure of purchasing a nice Joystick / HOTAS / Pedals / TrackIR / Headset / etc. to flesh the experience out).

Hope to see you online in a month or two! The online community is vibrant with some great online wars and a large variety of servers and scenarios.

I would say the most important things to master first are the basics in a stable craft like a Hurricane or a 109F2: Take off, landing, basic gunnery and navigation.

Once you can do those things you can then launch into campaigns or join in online. If you don't fancy squadron participation, most servers will have people who when asked will be happy to fly wingman and teach a newbie the finer arts of air combat. If you can take off and land without crashing into stuff that's an advance on some of the players you see out there!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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VMF-214_HaVoK
01-13-2007, 12:58 PM
Tons of info on things from tactics to complex engine management. And many downloads. Be sure to check out the essentials download section. All found here http://airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/il2_fb.htm<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Bearcat99
01-13-2007, 01:03 PM
I suggest you read In Pursuit.... and practice flying. Consider this. Real pilots had to learn how to fly well before they could learn to fly & fight. This is no different. I recommend the following are a few good places to start:

In Pursuit: An Online Pilot's Guide to Aerial Combat (http://web.comhem.se/%7Eu85627360/)
Neural Dream's Aircraft Reference Guide (http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_essential_files.htm#001)
Hardball's Aircraft Viewer (http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_essential_files.htm#014) an online version of the guide basically.. both are very good.
<span class="ev_code_red">U</span>ber <span class="ev_code_red">Q</span>uick <span class="ev_code_red">M </span>ission<span class="ev_code_red">G</span>enerator (http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_essential_files.htm#043) - This tool will help you to create more diverse quick missions to practice with. It comes with an extensive help file and is pretty easy to use once you do it a few times.
Mission Mate (http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=8) A mission building utility similar to The U.Q.M.G. but different. IMO both are good and deserving of a place on any FB simmers HD. I think MM is a bit easier to use.... but The U.Q.M.G. has other features that make it a must have as well.... better to have and use both. You will never need the QMB again.
Fraps (http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_essential_files.htm#010)- A quick and easy way to measure your frames per second
IL2 Manager 5.0 (http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_essential_files.htm#022) This utility will allow you to make certain adjustments within the config file.. like graphics setting etc. on a gui. While it is highly recommended that you learn where these things are in the config file, once you know that... easy and quick is the way to go. It also has a stick editor which will allow you to set up different profiles for your joystick sensitivity settings.
IL2 Stab (http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_essential_files.htm#024) Similar to IL2 Manager but without the stick editor and with a Diary feature.
VAC (http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_essential_files.htm#047)- <span class="ev_code_red">V</span>oice <span class="ev_code_red">A</span>ctvated<span class="ev_code_red">C</span>ommands - This utility is very similar to SHOOT.. it allows you to interact with your PC and thus the sim with voice commands. Very useful in coops. A bit tricky.. but a good program.
COOP Generator (http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_essential_files.htm#005) - A random COOP generator. I have yet to use it but it looks interesting.
Sniper's Corner (http://ourworld.cs.com/Abra772/SC_2_Eng.zip) a nice utility to help get the angles aspect of A2A gunnery in your head - Gunnery at AW.C (http://www.airwarfare.com/tactics/tactics_fwgunnery.htm)-A good explanation of the tool and what is does. Also this entire section at AW.C is a really good resource.

ACM (http://www.aqqm31.dsl.pipex.com/ACM.zip) - Short for Air Combat Maneuvers - This program will show you a short video of various combat maneuvers.... yo yos, immelmans etc. It is a very useful tool.

There are tons more but I figured these were good starting points to get any rookie on their way and help get them up to speed.

The bottom line is there is no easy place to start. This sim is unlike any PC title you ever played... it is challenging and it demands your attention if doing anything more than just "playing" is your goal. If you want to actually get good at it... at least to the point where you aren't blown to bits at every turn.... you must practice... and don't be afraid to ask questions. We have our share of jerks here like the rest of the world but for the most part there are guys waiting to help you out and help you become just as hooked on this sim as we are.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I also suggest you get online once you get a handle on the basics. Most of us fly on Hyperlobby (http://hyperfighter.sk/). Go to the link and download the client. Uninstall UBI.com. You wont really need it for online flying.

Lastly... hit the Sturmovik Essentials link in my sig. Go to Airwarfare.com. If you do nothing else bookmark that site. Consider bookmarking the Essentials link as well. There are lots of good sites listed in that one link.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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WOLFMondo
01-13-2007, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by jarink:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB462cid:
Pick a plane. Make it one you like. Learn to fly it. Learn aerobatics. Learn to fly the plane 100% of the time as opposed to 'going along for the ride'

There are a number of planes that are considered good ones to learn in. P-40E, Hurricane, IL-2, A6M are all ones typically mentioned in this regard. (do a search in the forums if you want to find more comprehensive lists).
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Definately good planes to learn in. The f4f is also a nice little plane to fly in.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Cheers!!

durns82
01-13-2007, 01:16 PM
Thanks for all the responses everyone, very fast too!
Its good to see there's a strong community around, and i look forward to being shot down by most of you in the next few months.

Cheers

VMF-214_HaVoK
01-13-2007, 01:21 PM
FYI the BF-109F4 is a great plane to start with. Very simple and easy to fly. Does everything well and has decent visibilty compared to later versions.

Also does anyone remember that youtube link for that great tutorial on gun convergence? Its a good lesson for rookies and vets alike.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Flying_Mex
01-13-2007, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
FYI the BF-109F4 is a great plane to start with. Very simple and easy to fly. Does everything well and has decent visibilty compared to later versions.

Also does anyone remember that youtube link for that great tutorial on gun convergence? Its a good lesson for rookies and vets alike.

Yes I don't know how I could have forgotten that. While I dont have the link for the youtube version, here is the website of the maker of the video:
http://www.darts-page.com/
Click on videos, then instructional. It has a lot of very useful videos, specially the gun convergance video.

tomtheyak
01-13-2007, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by durns82:
Thanks for all the responses everyone, very fast too!
Its good to see there's a strong community around, and i look forward to being shot down by most of you in the next few months.

Cheers


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Congrats and good luck durns! Not got anything else to add; just follow these fine gentlemens advice and you'll do fine! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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FoolTrottel
01-13-2007, 03:57 PM
There's one Single Mission which is one of my favorites.... and me thinks it's a great learner...

Single Missions, USSR, IL2, N6

You need to attack advancing tanks at Novorossiysk.

Take off is straight forward, and in the correct heading.
To your right there's hills, to your left there's the sea. Keep it that way.

After some flying time (not too long) you'll see the targets comin' down the road at the hills at Novorossiysk.
Can't miss that, as it's the place where the sea seems to stop being there...

Attack them tanks.
Return to base. (That's easy, keep the hills on yer left, sea on the right)

Why is it good?
- You'll pilot the single seater IL2... not too difficult to fly.
- Navigation is easy.
- Targets are obvious, and plenty, once you are close to 'm.
- There's some opposition, some FW's might try and shoot you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
- Scenery is beautiful!

Achieving mission objectives is quite hard.
You need to destroy lots of tanks... within a certain amount of time....

But, you can set yer own goals here, as in the number of tanks you destroy, wether you do make it back to base or not....

Eventually, once you got the hang of it:
- You'll return to base and land there.
- You'll destroy a tank (or more) with each weapon (rockets/bombs) you release.
- You'll manage to evade them FW's and let your fighter cover handle them.
- You'll know how and when to radio your flight to attack this and that target.
- You'll get to see that message 'Mission Complete' as you've killed enough tanks at the right place at the right time...

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carguy_
01-14-2007, 01:40 AM
I see no one recommended patch 4.071.Yes,the game has already a patch released.4.071 is beta patch to IL2 Sturmovik 1946.It enhances alot of stuff.We get an official version in a few days.

If you`d like to start a campaign,choose always the lowest rank possible.Anything below captain rank is fun.

First,try to get the right feeling on the joystick.Learn to make basic maneuvers without stalling out repeatedly.Not really madatory to learn all this jargon.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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FlatSpinMan
01-14-2007, 06:18 AM
Not wanting to seem rude carguy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif but I'd suggest starting campaigns with the HIGHEST rank http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif - in fact many of the user-made campaigns plus some that ship with the game recommend selecting it.

It is harder in some ways, in that you have to command other planes to attack or rejoin and so on, and you have to lead the flight - but as long as you read the briefing and follow the minimap waypoints you'll be right.

Starting with the highest rank means you'll always be first to take off so no long waits on the tarmac, some campaigns are built around the assumption that you'll be the lead plane and so selecting another rank may make some events in the campaign harder (I'm thinking here about when your base is attacked and you have to scramble to take-off so I guess it's not important ALL the time).
Also, the AI can go really fast after take-off so it can be hard, especially for a new player, to keep up.
If you are looking for a user-made campaign that includes some brief elements of training I'd recommend Battle over Britain by Extreme_One which places you in a Hurricane (nice steady plane to learn in)in France and Britain in 1940 and has some basic flight missions, and my one (http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=20) in which you play for the Luftwaffe starting in 1937 and going to the Spanish Civil War. My one places you in a CR-42 biplane for a start which is admittedly pretty tricky to take-off and land in - I do provide a few tips in the campaign to help. I was a bit lax in organising the files so if you decide to try it give me a PM if you have trouble. Self-promotion OFF.

I can't find a link to the Battle over Britain camapaign but if you are interested I have it on my HD and can send it to you.
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DKoor
01-14-2007, 06:55 AM
1.Choose your aircraft of choice. Learn every technical aspect you can about it, where to change your supercharger state (if it isn't automatical, on Bf-109 you don't need to change it manually it's on auto), what are best settings for cruise speed, what is the best convergence, what are your best tactics in fight against contemporary enemy fighters etc. etc.
Those things will save you and make you a better player.
Of aircraft I recommend Bf-109 series. It is good at everything, but it wont spoil you, plus as a bonus you can fly them literally from day one of ww2 all the way to the bitter end.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

2.Practice a lot in QMB. 1vs1 against contemporary Yaks LAs etc. For Bf-109Es I recommend convergence ~150m for MG and cannons. I can show you some Bf-109 gunnery practice tracks vs. Ai if you're interested.

3.Be consistent, do not give up easily. There is no easy way to learn all necessary things.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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