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danjama
02-09-2006, 02:42 PM
so ridiculously fast it is stupid, how the hell this is justified a place in the game i dont know

aint no time to soon thatt he thing is chopped fromservers if u ask me.

Bye bye Do, luftwaffes latest fantasy plane http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Willey
02-09-2006, 02:51 PM
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Tator_Totts
02-09-2006, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by danjama:
so ridiculously fast it is stupid, how the hell this is justified a place in the game i dont know

aint no time to soon thatt he thing is chopped fromservers if u ask me.

Bye bye Do, luftwaffes latest fantasy plane http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

I think I saw that plane in a Buck Rogers comic book once.

Xiolablu3
02-09-2006, 02:54 PM
And it flies perfectly fine with no front prop (Front End!).

See my track I posted. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

rugame
02-09-2006, 02:57 PM
Vitness Zee power of German Engineering http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

ploughman
02-09-2006, 03:06 PM
Don't be such a sourpuss, it rocks, it'll be banned from servers, but you'll always be able to stroke the shaft of you Pfeil in the privacy of your own full mission builder.

Don't try to take off with 100% prop pitch is all I can say.

waffen-79
02-09-2006, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by rugame:
Vitness Zee power of German Engineering http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

LOL

I see no one bashing the Spit IX 25 lbs, hmm strange.

AH_Gonzo
02-09-2006, 03:18 PM
Vitness Zee power of German Engineering

Bye bye Do, luftwaffes latest fantasy plane

And so begins yet another round...

VPB_Kjetilman
02-09-2006, 03:22 PM
Just for your information, the Do 335 was incredibly fast. It outran a Tempest at full WEP once!

The most rediculous thing, in my view, is that people complain about an aircraft being too fast when it will rarely be seen online.

VPB_Kjetilman

rugame
02-09-2006, 03:27 PM
The only people who complain about a plane being to fast are the people chasing it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Dont fight the Power People...Go BLUE http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Sturm_Williger
02-09-2006, 03:29 PM
Yeah, reread your Clostermann - he saw one while he was going flat out in his Tempest ... and it easily pulled away from him.

So it'll be banned on online servers - what's new...

ploughman
02-09-2006, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by waffen-79:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rugame:
Vitness Zee power of German Engineering http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

LOL

I see no one bashing the Spit IX 25 lbs, hmm strange. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well it ain't because blue aren't capable of whining...give it time and the Vienna Boys Choir'll singing away... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

alert_1
02-09-2006, 03:31 PM
Do335 is good and quite maneuvrable for its size but it's really begs for MW50...
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

rugame
02-09-2006, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by waffen-79:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rugame:
Vitness Zee power of German Engineering http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

LOL

I see no one bashing the Spit IX 25 lbs, hmm strange. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well it ain't because blue aren't capable of whining...give it time and the Vienna Boys Choir'll singing away... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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crazyivan1970
02-09-2006, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by danjama:
so ridiculously fast it is stupid, how the hell this is justified a place in the game i dont know

aint no time to soon thatt he thing is chopped fromservers if u ask me.

Bye bye Do, luftwaffes latest fantasy plane http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Another case of complaining about free aircraft. Instead of simple thank you for outstanding 3rd party work and maddox crew bringing it to life, this? Shame on you and i mean it.

ploughman
02-09-2006, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by alert_1:
Do335 is good and quite maneuvrable for its size but it's really begs for MW50...
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

What this game needs is some fantasy luft planes. Maybe in the Fantasy Luft Add-on the Do-335 can have some of that MW-50, and the K4 1.98 C3can get 2.3 ata. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

JSG72
02-09-2006, 03:34 PM
Don't Know what any of the compaints are about!
DO 335 WAS! a very fast plane.
AND it did exist during WW2
I don't fly online because Am pretty sure I would be met by all sorts of UNREAL senarios
Fly what you want! But get somewhat close to real!

ploughman
02-09-2006, 03:40 PM
Who's complaining? I think the Do-335's great, haven't you got a sense of humour? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cworth
02-09-2006, 03:45 PM
Quickest info I could find...

Performance: Max speed 474 mph (763 km/h) at 21, 325 ft (6,500 m); Max cruising speed 426 mph (685 km/h) at 23,360 ft (7,100 m); Economical cruising speed 281 mph (552 km/h) at 19,685 ft (6000 m); Range on internal fuel at max continuous power 867 miles (1400 km), at economical cruise power 1,280 miles (2050 km); Time to 3,280 ft (1000 m) 55 sec, to 26,245 ft (8000 m) 14.5 min; Service ceiling 37,400 ft (11,400 m).

Another fine aircraft I am loving to play with.

Dunkelgrun
02-09-2006, 03:49 PM
Well I like it. It's fun to muck about with. So is the Mosquito and Tempest and Ju88 etc etc. But then I'm not an online points ***** so what do I know?

Thankyou Oleg et al. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

PS Ploughman, you heard from RocketDog yet?

Unknown-Pilot
02-09-2006, 03:54 PM
Feckin red-whiners are so disgusting. And what's worse, they are about 90% of the population of the forum. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

p-11.cAce
02-09-2006, 03:59 PM
Fun plane - new easiest to land plane in IL2

jimDG
02-09-2006, 04:20 PM
I dont think so. Turn with a normal fighter and your speed is 450 km/h in no time. Try to accelerate and it takes ages.
A heavy fw190A9, that could actually run away in a long distance chase, is what it feels like to me.

IV_JG51_Prien
02-09-2006, 04:21 PM
Surprised? I mean come on the ME262 is banned on almost every server and it actually saw combat service in the war.

crazyivan1970
02-09-2006, 04:24 PM
Me-262 should be reinstated in all rights to be here with arrival of Tempest and 25lbs Spitfire. Fact! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

danjama
02-09-2006, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danjama:
so ridiculously fast it is stupid, how the hell this is justified a place in the game i dont know

aint no time to soon thatt he thing is chopped fromservers if u ask me.

Bye bye Do, luftwaffes latest fantasy plane http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Another case of complaining about free aircraft. Instead of simple thank you for outstanding 3rd party work and maddox crew bringing it to life, this? Shame on you and i mean it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Say what you like, i was the only one to show real gratitude when the patch was announced, did you notie that? didnt think so, but your quick to shout out when someone digs a plane. pfft.

JuHa-
02-09-2006, 04:37 PM
Who will bet on this:

Me262 will be re-entering on more servers than servers who'll ban the Me109K4 C4 ?

danjama
02-09-2006, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Me-262 should be reinstated in all rights to be here with arrival of Tempest and 25lbs Spitfire. Fact! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Now this i can agree with

danjama
02-09-2006, 04:38 PM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
Don't be such a sourpuss, it rocks, it'll be banned from servers, but you'll always be able to stroke the shaft of you Pfeil in the privacy of your own full mission builder.

Don't try to take off with 100% prop pitch is all I can say.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Lion_13
02-09-2006, 04:51 PM
Der Pfeil ist perfect!

WOLFMondo
02-09-2006, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Me-262 should be reinstated in all rights to be here with arrival of Tempest and 25lbs Spitfire. Fact! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

When there is a version of the Tempest that fought 262's then sure! :P

ASM 1
02-09-2006, 05:00 PM
It just amuses me that ppl are so quick to jump on the "OMG its too fast" bandwagon (YET AGAIN it would seem http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif), instead of a simple "Thanks for the great work" as Ivan said. Is it too fast? How the feck should I know, I've never flown one in real life, or a tempest, or a TA 152... I mean cmon..........ITS A GAME rofl.

Downloading patch as we speak.... can't wait http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

*takes out patent for time machine to stop whining once and for all* http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

danjama
02-09-2006, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by ASM 1:
It just amuses me that ppl are so quick to jump on the "OMG its too fast" bandwagon (YET AGAIN it would seem http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif), instead of a simple "Thanks for the great work" as Ivan said. Is it too fast? How the feck should I know, I've never flown one in real life, or a tempest, or a TA 152... I mean cmon..........ITS A GAME rofl.

Downloading patch as we speak.... can't wait http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

*takes out patent for time machine to stop whining once and for all* http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

never call this agame http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

ASM 1
02-09-2006, 05:09 PM
oh sorry I meant "It's a way of life"

my bad http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

.... well whatever... the point I was trying to make was simply... ah never mind If I have to explain that then it has obviously been lost anyway http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

JSG72
02-09-2006, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by danjama:
so ridiculously fast it is stupid, how the hell this is justified a place in the game i dont know

aint no time to soon thatt he thing is chopped fromservers if u ask me.

Bye bye Do, luftwaffes latest fantasy
plane http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Appears to be the GAME you mentioned in your first Post http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Kocur_
02-09-2006, 05:16 PM
Is our Do-335 really so stellar? A very fast fighter for sure, but not really faster than Tempest of La-7 on deck. Its 'early' Do-335, i.e. A0 with non-MW50 DB-603A at 1580PS/1750PS and not so stellar performance - surely not that one of often quoted speed closing to 800kmh at alt or able to outrun Closterman's Tempest!
http://mitglied.lycos.de/luftwaffe1/do335/do335_3.html

TC_Stele
02-09-2006, 05:18 PM
I'd like to see it in online servers. But do us a favor and put it 100km behind the front lines. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Werg78
02-09-2006, 05:30 PM
too fast? i just hope for the introduction of the TA183. then all the moaning about too fast fantasyplanes will finally be justified. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

LEXX_Luthor
02-09-2006, 05:36 PM
danjama::
int no time to soon thatt he thing is chopped fromservers if u ask me.
From the BoB Pay-To-Play Poll thread, Oleg may be learning that Offline players pay for the sim. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

danjama
02-09-2006, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by ASM 1:
oh sorry I meant "It's a way of life"

my bad http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

.... well whatever... the point I was trying to make was simply... ah never mind If I have to explain that then it has obviously been lost anyway http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

fair point but i was being sarcastic http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

LEXX_Luthor
02-09-2006, 05:52 PM
I think you meant -335 is useful for Offline Dynamic Campaign. I agree!!

ASM 1
02-09-2006, 05:53 PM
you were being sarcastic were you? D@mn I'd never have guessed in a million years...... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

danjama
02-09-2006, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
I think you meant -335 is useful for Offline Dynamic Campaign. I agree!!

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danjama
02-09-2006, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by ASM 1:
you were being sarcastic were you? D@mn I'd never have guessed in a million years...... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

+1

p1ngu666
02-09-2006, 06:00 PM
its quick, climbs well, and has a surprising number of loudouts.

with its 1000kg bomb it may replace the corsair as best bomber ingame.

LEXX_Luthor
02-09-2006, 06:22 PM
THANKS PINGU ... I was hoping for Jabo-335 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif


with its 1000kg bomb it may replace the corsair as best bomber ingame.

I have not downpatched yet

luftluuver
02-09-2006, 07:47 PM
Originally posted by Cworth:
Quickest info I could find...

Performance: Max speed 474 mph (763 km/h) at 21, 325 ft (6,500 m); Max cruising speed 426 mph (685 km/h) at 23,360 ft (7,100 m); Economical cruising speed 281 mph (552 km/h) at 19,685 ft (6000 m); Range on internal fuel at max continuous power 867 miles (1400 km), at economical cruise power 1,280 miles (2050 km); Time to 3,280 ft (1000 m) 55 sec, to 26,245 ft (8000 m) 14.5 min; Service ceiling 37,400 ft (11,400 m).

Another fine aircraft I am loving to play with. A flight test graph by Dornier only has an average of ~725kph for the A-0.

Doug_Thompson
02-09-2006, 08:07 PM
"GAH, it's fast!"

Well, duh.

Of course it's fast. Now will somebody please tell us something we don't know? How does it handle? Is it stable to fly? Is it maneuverable at all? Can you do funky stuff by varying the power to the different engines?

Notice that the announcement on the official IL-2 site about the new patch specifically mentions the speed is based on actual flight data of the A-0.

The Do 335 was fast. It set a speed record when it was first flown, but the fact couldn't be announced because it was a military secret.

Doug_Thompson
02-09-2006, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by p1ngu666:
its quick, climbs well, and has a surprising number of loudouts.

with its 1000kg bomb it may replace the corsair as best bomber ingame.

Thanks. Somebody told us something while I was writing my earlier complaint.


A flight test graph by Dornier only has an average of ~725kph for the A-0.

That's probably without boost. The Do 335 couldn't break 450 mph without boost, IIRC.

p1ngu666
02-09-2006, 08:10 PM
ull tie yourself in knots trying todo fancy stuff with engines http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

p1ngu666
02-09-2006, 08:11 PM
oh, very good speed, climb, high speed turn, zoomclimb is extremely good

really good guns

internal bomb bayhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Doug_Thompson
02-09-2006, 08:13 PM
I can't wait. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Unknown-Pilot
02-09-2006, 08:52 PM
It has torque roll. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

But it's a sweet plane that is lots of fun to use, wild to look at, and has a great cockpit.

Shame Do decided to put a 103 on it, that bugger is near impossible to use unless you're in the back seat of the other guy's 'pit, and then you're in the blast radius when he goes boom.

The 20s are great though.

All in all, an awesome addition. I also don't see the issues being raised here - the VVS has stuff basically as fast, and the 262 is a much more deadly plane. Plus the 335s acceleration is quite poor, making the Dora or 152 better in some respects in certain conditions. Which just highlights the fact that it's a blitzbomber, not an air superiority fighter.

The 25# Spit runs down La7s though. Bets that doesn't get banned anywhere but the 335 does most places? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif (That Spitfire is awesome BTW. I think the 9s needed that, well, maybe not *that* much lol. The IXes were really slow, at least they felt that way in 4.02)

mortoma
02-09-2006, 08:54 PM
If anything the D0-335 is a hair too slow but I ain't complaining. After all it's an A-0 and not an A-1, which had the MW-50 on it and better engines. But still the A-0 was fast. I don't know which one outran Closterman's Tempest but I know the A-0 the US Army flew from Germany to Cherbourg France was so fast it left behind two P-51Ds that went with it and got to Cherbourg 20 minutes before they did!! Then they put it on the Reaper to be shipped to the states and the rest is history. So even the unboosted A-0 model was really, really fast!!

mortoma
02-09-2006, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by Doug_Thompson:

That's probably without boost. The Do 335 couldn't break 450 mph without boost, IIRC. Sorry dude, read my post above. The unboosted A-0 version left P-51s behind when they flew one to France to take to the states for testing. P-51s best TAS was 450MPH, so why did the 335 out run them??

At least it was faster at whatever altitude they went at. I think the 335 was faster down low than just about anything, maybe even Mk.III British Mustang.

ImpStarDuece
02-09-2006, 09:13 PM
DO-335 AO should be capable of anywhere between 370-380 mph on the deck with full power.

Cworth
02-09-2006, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by luftluuver:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cworth:
Quickest info I could find...

Performance: Max speed 474 mph (763 km/h) at 21, 325 ft (6,500 m); Max cruising speed 426 mph (685 km/h) at 23,360 ft (7,100 m); Economical cruising speed 281 mph (552 km/h) at 19,685 ft (6000 m); Range on internal fuel at max continuous power 867 miles (1400 km), at economical cruise power 1,280 miles (2050 km); Time to 3,280 ft (1000 m) 55 sec, to 26,245 ft (8000 m) 14.5 min; Service ceiling 37,400 ft (11,400 m).

Another fine aircraft I am loving to play with. A flight test graph by Dornier only has an average of ~725kph for the A-0. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is also why I live by the following quote

"Only believe half of what you hear and none of what you read."

Neither one of us has any authority to say that our figures are right.

What we find in books is a good indication of what we can expect but is also to be taken with a grain of salt and not as the gospel.There are to many differing accounts and performance numbers out there.That and we have over 60 years of time between then and now..and much of the original info may be missing or even in some cases exageratted by the manufacturer.

Only the real pilots of said planes are really qualified to make any true appraisals of a planes performance and how accurate it is.All we can do is make educated guesses based off of some numbers on a peice of paper.

p1ngu666
02-09-2006, 09:33 PM
if p51's had droptanks they would be slower... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

thought it had two 15mm's and a mk103?

btw the mk103 uses the same warhead/shell as the mk108, but at a much higher vocity, but less rof.

it shouldnt be a close in weapon..

all planes have torque roll, even jets, rockets etc, and do335 would have a twisting action going on too

Unknown-Pilot
02-09-2006, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by p1ngu666:
thought it had two 15mm's and a mk103?

Maybe. They hit harder than that though.



btw the mk103 uses the same warhead/shell as the mk108, but at a much higher vocity, but less rof.

I have heard that water is wet..... is that true? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif



it shouldnt be a close in weapon..

Nobody said otherwise.



all planes have torque roll, even jets, rockets etc, and do335 would have a twisting action going on too

I've not seen it in the 262 or 229. And, I'll just saw that it's presence on the 335 is an addition. It didn't used to have torque roll..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

VW-IceFire
02-09-2006, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by mortoma:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Doug_Thompson:

That's probably without boost. The Do 335 couldn't break 450 mph without boost, IIRC. Sorry dude, read my post above. The unboosted A-0 version left P-51s behind when they flew one to France to take to the states for testing. P-51s best TAS was 450MPH, so why did the 335 out run them??

At least it was faster at whatever altitude they went at. I think the 335 was faster down low than just about anything, maybe even Mk.III British Mustang. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Remember that when they fly shuttle flights from point A to point B the whole thing of it is to conserve fuel and run the engine at a nice smooth RPM for best engine longevity. They aren't gunning it at 110% with boost.

The Mosquito left behind Mustang escort fighters as it was very fast at its cruise speed even when the Mustang was much faster at full speed.

3.JG51_BigBear
02-09-2006, 10:12 PM
The cockpit model is one of the best in game and I think the plane is gorgeous and makes a great addition to the game but I'm thinking something that massive couldn't really have the manueverability that it does in game. It just seems far too agile and nimble.

jamesdietz
02-09-2006, 10:19 PM
Veddy nice to fly & you'll love the tail blowing off when you bail out...just don't try to leave the plane after landing ...its a long fatal fall.....

Treetop64
02-09-2006, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by jamesdietz:

...just don't try to leave the plane after landing ...its a long fatal fall.....

Heh, funny! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Texan...
02-09-2006, 10:48 PM
Originally posted by 3.JG51_BigBear:
The cockpit model is one of the best in game and I think the plane is gorgeous and makes a great addition to the game but I'm thinking something that massive couldn't really have the manueverability that it does in game. It just seems far too agile and nimble.

Rgr that.

I almost spewed Pepsi out my nose when I got one behind me in my Spit and actually had a hard time getting out of his gun solution. Tight turns and steep climbs barely got me loose.

Pretty funny.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

RvGils
02-09-2006, 11:06 PM
Did someone noticed that the 15 mm guns of the Do-335 have the "sound" and rate of fire of 20 mm MG151/20 but the hitting caracteristics are from 151/15 mm?

The same with the new Italian birds, 12.7 HMG's sounding like 20 mm guns.
(Or is it only me who experienced this).

Doug_Thompson
02-09-2006, 11:32 PM
Originally posted by Texan...:

I almost spewed Pepsi out my nose when I got one behind me in my Spit and actually had a hard time getting out of his gun solution. Tight turns and steep climbs barely got me loose.


Spit fans always spew Pepsi out their noses when they have a hard time getting out of somebody's gun solution. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Sorry. I couldn't resist. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

The tight turns were all right, but the climbing almost got you killed.

The real outstanding characteristic of the Dornier 335 is not the speed. It's the climb. This thing doesn't want to go down. It bleeds speed in a turn, but not height.

Put the thing into a dive from 7500 meters. It doesn't really drop like a rock, like I expected. When you get up to about 800 kmh, pull back on the stick, hit WEP and put that monster into a near-vertical climb.

You can leave it there. You'll be back to 6500 meters before you even start to wonder if maybe you should put it into something resembling normal flight.

Tooz_69GIAP
02-10-2006, 12:59 AM
Been playing with the Pfeil, and me likes mucho!!! It's a beast, and it's guns are pretty accurate, even with my terrible aiming!!

alert_1
02-10-2006, 01:15 AM
Do335A0 we have in the game is actually to slow, Mustang MkIII or Tempest is faster. We rally need A1 with MW50 (2x2240hp) for some balance..
..or maybe not, Me262 will do too

Hristo_
02-10-2006, 02:12 AM
Do 335 for coolness and what-ifness
Me 262 for historical accuracy

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

SeaFireLIV
02-10-2006, 02:16 AM
NOW I understand what Doug_Thompson`s sig means... Still don`t understand why it`s called an anteater though...

Stoyanov
02-10-2006, 02:23 AM
http://www.vnvv.com/forum/files/basi_819.jpg

A screenshot from 1 of my teamates- another proof that this game is more arcadish now then it was in 3.0 . BTW he managed to land his pane!

Krizz1972
02-10-2006, 02:34 AM
Der Ameisenb√¬§r ist einfach gro√üartig! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://www.darkprojekt.ch/albertin/galerie/desktop/ameisenbaer.jpg

The_Gog
02-10-2006, 02:53 AM
All tests conducted at 1500m level flight with 25% fuel, default load out. WEP/Boost and Prop pitch used to get best possible speed.

Do335- 540kmh

Tempest- 570kmh

Mosquito- 490kmh

Ju88- 370kmh

Spit IX 25lb- 530kmh

JG52Karaya-X
02-10-2006, 02:58 AM
Time for some "Faster than the RAF/USAAF" skins for the Do335 and Me262 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

F0_Dark_P
02-10-2006, 03:09 AM
Originally posted by danjama:
so ridiculously fast it is stupid, how the hell this is justified a place in the game i dont know

aint no time to soon thatt he thing is chopped fromservers if u ask me.

Bye bye Do, luftwaffes latest fantasy plane http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif The Do335 is a hell of a cool aircraft that is a fact, but i dont like it to be in the game, i am a LW fanboy sure, but i dont like "fantasy planes", i think they should have improved other things then adding this in, Oleg you are great! but the Dornier Do335 is wrong it dont belong here really, it barly made it of the drawing boards and it never saw action, it just ran out of time to be in the game.

Hristo_
02-10-2006, 03:15 AM
This sim is the only place with decent FM where Do-335 is flyable. Think about it again.

I've wanted to fly it for literally years now. I understand it won't be included in historical scenarios and that's fine. I probably wouldn't enjoy it too if it was included in every server, especially historical.

But I'm very grateful to Oleg and team for bringing it to us. Even offline, I'll have great time with it. It is simply a cool plane. And best of all - it is free.

CD_kp84yb
02-10-2006, 03:30 AM
Well i dont understand the complaining.

BUT THAT COCKPIT IS REALY HALELUJA, geeeeez what a beauty.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Hats off for those who made that pit.

a big aplause.

Friendly_flyer
02-10-2006, 03:30 AM
Originally posted by F0_Dark_P:
the Dornier Do335 is wrong it dont belong here really, it barly made it of the drawing boards and it never saw action, it just ran out of time to be in the game.

It did see action, allthough not as a fighter. It was spotted doing ops runs by the Norwegian spitfire squadrons late in the war. It's a cool plane to fly, but it's not much as a dogfighter. It would do better as a bomber interceptor I think. I see no reason to ban it from late war dogfight servers, it offers few advantages over the more traditional fighters like the Ta 152 and Tempest.

Philipscdrw
02-10-2006, 03:44 AM
Originally posted by Hristo_:
This sim is the only place with decent FM where Do-335 is flyable. Think about it again.

...

Yes, I agree 100%. It's great to fly unique aircraft like the Pfeil, and I'm really glad to have the opportunity.

Guy with picture from '1 of your teammates', it's always been possible to shoot engines off planes, and many aircraft have no textures on the insides (like the back of the instrument panel). There's nothing unusual, new or wrong with the picture you post.

I'm embarrassed to share a forum with some of the people here. Complaining about a free gift. If you think you are smart enough to tell 1C what to do, get off your backsides, start working as a programmer, and then move to Moscow and join 1C as a director. Until then, shut up.

Stoyanov
02-10-2006, 03:53 AM
Its great to have the Do-335, I fly only for the LW so im happy, but i dont like funny things like that 1 on the picture above, what about the pilot,the balance, the flight dynamics of an aircraft with that kind of damage....

ploughman
02-10-2006, 03:56 AM
Originally posted by Dunkelgrun:
Well I like it. It's fun to muck about with. So is the Mosquito and Tempest and Ju88 etc etc. But then I'm not an online points ***** so what do I know?

Thankyou Oleg et al. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

PS Ploughman, you heard from RocketDog yet?

No. Not yet. In fact I haven't really seen him on here for a while, maybe he's orf skiing, or sunning himself at his villa in the Bahamas.

Philipscdrw
02-10-2006, 03:58 AM
Remember, when a plane breaks into pieces (or when a piece like the engine comes off) there are sometime absent textures on the inside of the plane. The back of the instrument panel has no texture, for example, so you can't see the instrument panel from that angle. But the panel is still there.

If they did model the insides of the engine nacelle with detail, then it would reduce performance (with the extra textures and polygons) and more importantly it would take 1C's time when they could be doing something more valuable.

Doug_Thompson
02-10-2006, 08:05 AM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
NOW I understand what Doug_Thompson`s sig means... Still don`t understand why it`s called an anteater though...

The name comes from the plane's very long nose.

Treetop64
02-10-2006, 09:12 AM
Originally posted by Lion_13:
Der Pfeil ist perfect!

Ja wol, Herr Kerloin! (sp.)

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

BirdieNum-nums
02-10-2006, 09:26 AM
Seeing the Do335 in multiple servers on HyperLobby last night was unreal! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif What a beautiful machine! I have been in love with this thing since I bought the 1/48 scale model from Tamiya years ago. You just have to love its design. It's like nothing else. Today's Cessna skymaster uses the same engine layout (push-pull). And that is one fast Cessna!

But I digress... The Do's modelling is superb and we are sooooooo lucky http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif to have it in our beloved sim. Anybody that even DARES say something bad about it will have to answer to me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif.

You complain about its speed? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif Give me a break! Learn how to fly around its weakness. It's a HUGE friggin' target, in case you haven't noticed. But you'll have to catch it first http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif There is counter to every single plane in this sim, if you just use your head.

The Do is one of the stand-out champs in the game and it will be both loved and hated because of it. Poor ol' Anteater!! What did he ever do to hurt anyone? Never even killed ANYTHING... EVER... apparently. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Cheers,

Birdi Num-nums

Panzer_JG11
02-10-2006, 09:50 AM
Do335 is amazing...after all, this patch is amazing...better, this sim is amazing.

Thx Oleg and team http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif, thx to the third part creators http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif and thx to many good fellows in this community http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif.

Danjama, if you don't like this sim, just don't fly it, as simple as that...try other "sims", cfs is a "very good option" for you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Panzer

msalama
02-10-2006, 10:39 AM
Ja wol, Herr Kerloin! (sp.)

Erm... "Ja wohl, Herr Kaloin" is what you meant I take it?

Is it "Kaloin" BTW? Fritz?

msalama
02-10-2006, 10:44 AM
Yeah, the Anteater plain f**king ROX http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif I fly VVS only, but this AC is just SO BAD http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Thanks again, Oleg & co. - you guys ROCK even more than these magnificent planes you keep on giving us http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

S!

darkhorizon11
02-10-2006, 10:48 AM
Originally posted by Hristo_:
This sim is the only place with decent FM where Do-335 is flyable. Think about it again.

I've wanted to fly it for literally years now. I understand it won't be included in historical scenarios and that's fine. I probably wouldn't enjoy it too if it was included in every server, especially historical.

But I'm very grateful to Oleg and team for bringing it to us. Even offline, I'll have great time with it. It is simply a cool plane. And best of all - it is free.

Though I'm normally a red flyer I do concur with the Lufties for once this plane is effin sweet!

IIRC is was pretty much the fastest piston engine fighter at altitude in Europe. Probably only the Bearcat was faster? Correct me if I'm wrong there. I was actually hoping there would be a version with dual MG 151s pods for bomber hunting. Either way I tip my hat to Oleg they really have brought things full circle with this new patch!

And for the record yes it is a LW wet dream aircraft, but at least it did fly in 1943! and saw some operational use compare that to the 109Z, Go 229, the new K4 and He 162 (which saw combat in the last month of the war!). I give 1c a http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif for this aircraft!

Krizz1972
02-10-2006, 10:48 AM
Originally posted by msalama:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Ja wol, Herr Kerloin! (sp.)

Erm... "Ja wohl, Herr Kaloin" is what you meant I take it?

Is it "Kaloin" BTW? Fritz? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Richtig w√¬§re -> "Jawohl, Herr Kaleun" (short for Kapit√¬§nleutnant in the Kriegsmarine)

msalama
02-10-2006, 10:51 AM
It is simply a cool plane.

No kidding Sir??? Oh my God... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

msalama
02-10-2006, 10:55 AM
Richtig w√¬§re -> "Jawohl, Herr Kaleun" (short for Kapit√¬§nleutnant in the Kriegsmarine)

Aber ja, _Kaleun_, nat√ľrlich! Vielen Danke http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

EPP_Gibbs
02-10-2006, 10:57 AM
Variety is the spice of life. I'm just grateful that the Sim continues to evolve and improve...and, at NO cost to us users. Step back a second and look at the big picture. See what we've been given, the depth, quality, and immersion.....ALL whines pale into insignificance in the light of that.

Cheers, Oleg & crew, from one grateful customer.

fordfan25
02-10-2006, 10:58 AM
Originally posted by danjama:
so ridiculously fast it is stupid, how the hell this is justified a place in the game i dont know

aint no time to soon thatt he thing is chopped fromservers if u ask me.

Bye bye Do, luftwaffes latest fantasy plane http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif agreed. but a bearcat over luthers dead body i remember hearing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif and no -4 or N or M. or 51H but at leat we have a 109Z,boosted k4,ki84C,go226, ect http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

fordfan25
02-10-2006, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by darkhorizon11:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hristo_:
This sim is the only place with decent FM where Do-335 is flyable. Think about it again.

I've wanted to fly it for literally years now. I understand it won't be included in historical scenarios and that's fine. I probably wouldn't enjoy it too if it was included in every server, especially historical.

But I'm very grateful to Oleg and team for bringing it to us. Even offline, I'll have great time with it. It is simply a cool plane. And best of all - it is free.


-4 sair,p47N and M were faster than bearcat and the p51H was even faster than those if i recall
Though I'm normally a red flyer I do concur with the Lufties for once this plane is effin sweet!

IIRC is was pretty much the fastest piston engine fighter at altitude in Europe. Probably only the Bearcat was faster? Correct me if I'm wrong there. I was actually hoping there would be a version with dual MG 151s pods for bomber hunting. Either way I tip my hat to Oleg they really have brought things full circle with this new patch!

And for the record yes it is a LW wet dream aircraft, but at least it did fly in 1943! and saw some operational use compare that to the 109Z, Go 229, the new K4 and He 162 (which saw combat in the last month of the war!). I give 1c a http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif for this aircraft! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

MercilessFatBoy
02-10-2006, 11:04 AM
man this plane is extreamly fun... you get the ultimated zertore-fighter-bomber-interceptor-rammer.... all in one... i have so far do like 5 sucefull rams in the plane.... and it is perfect ramer because u still have the rear engine to go back to base amazing.... it baerly makes 400kph on one engine... i got a kill wiht out my rear engine... it was funny.. a killa from front to rear end

it would be amazing to... if we could get the version that turned in two and fought on their own against the enemy... then.. they reunited on middle flight to go back to base

and the ejection man... funny... i flew under a bomber... and hit ejection... traying to smash into the bombers belly... but either i miss or the pilot doesnt cause any damage to planes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Texan...
02-10-2006, 11:18 AM
Originally posted by Doug_Thompson:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Texan...:

I almost spewed Pepsi out my nose when I got one behind me in my Spit and actually had a hard time getting out of his gun solution. Tight turns and steep climbs barely got me loose.


Spit fans always spew Pepsi out their noses when they have a hard time getting out of somebody's gun solution. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Sorry. I couldn't resist. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

The tight turns were all right, but the climbing almost got you killed.

The real outstanding characteristic of the Dornier 335 is not the speed. It's the climb. This thing doesn't want to go down. It bleeds speed in a turn, but not height.

Put the thing into a dive from 7500 meters. It doesn't really drop like a rock, like I expected. When you get up to about 800 kmh, pull back on the stick, hit WEP and put that monster into a near-vertical climb.

You can leave it there. You'll be back to 6500 meters before you even start to wonder if maybe you should put it into something resembling normal flight. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're not kidding. Looking over my shoulder it was almost like those twin engines were pulling it straight up like an elevator even though we were both practically stalled out. I bet his gunsight was just a mm or two away from disintegrating me.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

This was just the first night, wait til these guys learn how to use them.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

OldMan____
02-10-2006, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by The_Gog:
All tests conducted at 1500m level flight with 25% fuel, default load out. WEP/Boost and Prop pitch used to get best possible speed.

Do335- 540kmh

Tempest- 570kmh

Mosquito- 490kmh

Ju88- 370kmh

Spit IX 25lb- 530kmh

Dont use prop pitch on DO.. it LOOSES speed. Leave on auto.

Doug_Thompson
02-10-2006, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by Texan...:

You're not kidding. Looking over my shoulder it was almost like those twin engines were pulling it straight up like an elevator even though we were both practically stalled out. I bet his gunsight was just a mm or two away from disintegrating me.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

This was just the first night, wait til these guys learn how to use them.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Exactly. Everybody's looking at the speed. The climb's the thing.

The Jolly Green Giant's speed is nice. It's climb is nicer. It's climb at the speed together are what's impressive.

Whatever the tests show, the Do 335 in a gradual climb flies away from a boosted Spit easily.

A couple of other things: I finally got the Do 335's engines to overheat, but it took time and patience. You can leave it on boost a long time, it seems ‚‚ā¨"Ě unlike the Tempest.

Just goofing around, it seems impossible to jam the Do335's flaps. That may be of no practical value ‚‚ā¨"Ě why leave the flaps out if you're power diving ‚‚ā¨"Ě but I could still operate the flaps at 500 km and more. I'll test that over the weekend. Might be a bug, or might be an accurate portrayal of power-assisted flaps. I think the Do335 had those.

p.s. I have managed to stall the Do 335, but it recovered quite nicely the couple of times it happened.

Another good reason to not get in a climbing contest with this thing.

danjama
02-10-2006, 01:57 PM
Please guysi started this thread so we could whine about its capabilities, not so you could all come in here and praise it. Start your own thread if you love fantasy planes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

and panzer, could you please point out where i said i dont want to play the game anymore? didnt think so, keep your silly comments to yourself

ploughman
02-10-2006, 01:59 PM
If it makes you feel better Danjama, I'm pretty sure it'd be lethal to ditch in. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Mind you if you did that excellent escape system'd almost certainly save your life. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Go Do-335!!!

Doug_Thompson
02-10-2006, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
If it makes you feel better Danjama, I'm pretty sure it'd be lethal to ditch in. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif


Uugh. Just imagined myself crushed between two huge German engines. Not pretty. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

danjama
02-10-2006, 02:11 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Bo_Nidle
02-10-2006, 05:33 PM
I remember seeing Eric "Winkle" Brown(the famous British test pilot who flew just about every German aircraft ever manufactured during WW2 to evaluate them)being interviewed in the excellent BBC tv series "Reaching for the skies".He was talking about the Do335 and was very impressed by its speed.He also mentioned something about it having a gear stick too!?! I have had a quick look on t'internet and foundthis at www.flightinternational.com (http://www.flightinternational.com) :

Flying the Arrow

Intended as a heavy, high-speed fighter/bomber, Dornier's Do335 Pfeil (Arrow) was a radical design by the standards of its day. Despite this, relatively few complications were experienced during development. Claudius Dornier had worked on the tandem engine installation since the late 1930s and the extension shaft and pusher propeller, which could have been awkward, gave few problems.

The only real cause for concern involved baling out. To solve this an ejection seat was to be fitted as standard. To further improve the pilot's chances of escape, the rear propeller and dorsal fin would be jettisoned before ejection by explosive bolts. In the event of a wheels-up landing the ventral fin could also be jettisoned.

After modifications to cure tail buffeting experienced during initial flight tests, the Do335's handling was considered to be good, in part aided by a hydraulic-boosted flight-control system. It was also possible to fly the aircraft on one engine, with the best performance obtained in the "pusher" mode. By the war's end 37 had been built, including two B-series aircraft (with increased armament), together with over 70 partially completed airframes.

The UK's Royal Aircraft Establishment (RAE) at Farnborough identified three Do335 airframes for testing during 1945, an A-1, an A-12 and an incomplete B-series airframe. Only the A-12 and B made it to the UK, following the A-1's landing accident at Merville, France. At Farnborough the A-12 was test flown only three times before crashing in January 1946, killing the test pilot.

Initial test flights had been undertaken by the renowned Capt Eric "Winkle" Brown in his role as head of the Aerodynamics Flight and Royal Navy chief test pilot at the RAE. As with all Luftwaffe aircraft, the Do 335's brakes were unreliable, prone to overheating and sometimes caught fire, says Brown, but this was in part compensated for by the reversible-pitch tractor propeller, which could reduce the landing distance by 183m (600ft).

The aircraft was less responsive at low speeds, but at high speeds the controls were well harmonised and effective. "The 335 had good stability, and the powered ailerons weren't as fidgety as many of its Allied counterparts," says Brown. Despite this, for an aircraft of it size the Do335 would not have been a match "out in the open" for the late-war Allied fighters, he says, but "if it had been restricted to an all-weather and night-fighter role, it would have given a good account of itself".

A top speed in the region of 410kt (760km/h) was always going to be the Do335's main advantage, "and while it would not of outfought the Mustang or Spitfire, they would have had to work hard to nail it", says Brown.

Not being an experienced real world pilot myself I am not in a position to comment on the games aircrafts performance.

However I cannot think of any other games manufacturer that provides this type of support to its fans and for that, I for one, say "Thank you very much sir....may I have another?"

darkhorizon11
02-10-2006, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by danjama:
Please guysi started this thread so we could whine about its capabilities, not so you could all come in here and praise it. Start your own thread if you love fantasy planes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

and panzer, could you please point out where i said i dont want to play the game anymore? didnt think so, keep your silly comments to yourself

Whats there to whine about? Besides the ever old debate of whether it should be in the game (which is totally ******ed since it was given to us for free, if you don't like it don't fly it) you've got nothing. It first flew in 1943, long before most of the other uber planes, if the program was given more priority it would have been more produced and seen a lot of combat. Like I said earlier it was pretty much the fastest piston engine fighter over Europe..., I haven't done any official speed tests but after dogfighting some P-38 lates and P-47 lates at low level its fast... but not jet fast. When I play tomorrow I'll try high altitude stuff. At the same time its turn rate seems pretty well modeled for the planform and config, its got some higher speed maneuverability, it porposes a bit, but its not TOO good so far.

And honestly its still not the all out best plane. The P-47D 150 octane and the YP-80 are still better. I wasn't even able to win an 8vs8 against the YP80 at 3000m with AI on anything better than average...

Its what it should be.

LEXX_Luthor
02-10-2006, 10:30 PM
The best Allied combat pilots flocked to fly captured Do-335 in 1945. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

danjama
02-10-2006, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by darkhorizon11:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danjama:
Please guysi started this thread so we could whine about its capabilities, not so you could all come in here and praise it. Start your own thread if you love fantasy planes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

and panzer, could you please point out where i said i dont want to play the game anymore? didnt think so, keep your silly comments to yourself

Whats there to whine about? Besides the ever old debate of whether it should be in the game (which is totally ******ed since it was given to us for free, if you don't like it don't fly it) you've got nothing. It first flew in 1943, long before most of the other uber planes, if the program was given more priority it would have been more produced and seen a lot of combat. Like I said earlier it was pretty much the fastest piston engine fighter over Europe..., I haven't done any official speed tests but after dogfighting some P-38 lates and P-47 lates at low level its fast... but not jet fast. When I play tomorrow I'll try high altitude stuff. At the same time its turn rate seems pretty well modeled for the planform and config, its got some higher speed maneuverability, it porposes a bit, but its not TOO good so far.

And honestly its still not the all out best plane. The P-47D 150 octane and the YP-80 are still better. I wasn't even able to win an 8vs8 against the YP80 at 3000m with AI on anything better than average...

Its what it should be. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

fine

Doug_Thompson
02-10-2006, 11:58 PM
"The 335 had good stability, and the powered ailerons weren't as fidgety as many of its Allied counterparts," says Brown. Despite this, for an aircraft of it size the Do335 would not have been a match "out in the open" for the late-war Allied fighters, he says, but "if it had been restricted to an all-weather and night-fighter role, it would have given a good account of itself".

A top speed in the region of 410kt (760km/h) was always going to be the Do335's main advantage, "and while it would not of outfought the Mustang or Spitfire, they would have had to work hard to nail it", says Brown.


Well, that about sums it up. It's from a veteran test pilot and it makes obvious sense, too.

I like the plane, but it not as much of a threat to uber-single-engined types as a not-easy victim.

I will say, though, that the new Spitfire with boost doesn't take 15 mm hits very well. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

fighter_966
02-11-2006, 12:35 AM
Pfeil rocks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif AAAAmazing plane