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mynameisroland
10-31-2006, 09:22 AM
Ive been here for a while now and what I have noticed recently is that there is an increasing trend towards pointless threads perpetuated by the same trolls. Now we all have our own bias and our own little alliegences and we all like to beat http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif the same dead horses. Ive got a proposal that would take co operation and participation to try and change this General Discussion forum for the better.

Id like to see people who repeatedly spam/flame/insult banned or warned more often. Id also like threads to be less political and more historical and less to do about their posters and more to do with IL2 and WW2.

We could start with everybody on a clean slate and see if we can last a week without the usual trash.<form action="http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums" method="POST" name="VOTE">

BiscuitKnight
10-31-2006, 09:26 AM
The stricter the forum, the quieter it is.

I think the way the forum is right now is conducive to new members and asking question, no? If the forum becomes quiet people tend to look for a busy one?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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jasonbirder
10-31-2006, 09:28 AM
But some of the most interesting discussions to me lately have been the ones debating various aspects of World War 2...Best Tank, effectiveness of Air Attacks on AFVs, why Germany lost etc etc...
If we go back to purely IL2 Plane related threads...won't it get a little well...boring http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

But as for the vastly Off Topic Threads...yeah get rid of them...
Bad dreams, Raiids understanding of physics, Vietnam, Halloween, Horror films....
I won't miss them

Daiichidoku
10-31-2006, 09:30 AM
there really isnt too much thats legit to dicuss, what with any changes to be made in FB has long since expired, time-wise

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mynameisroland
10-31-2006, 09:33 AM
Originally posted by jasonbirder:
But some of the most interesting discussions to me lately have been the ones debating various aspects of World War 2...Best Tank, effectiveness of Air Attacks on AFVs, why Germany lost etc etc...
If we go back to purely IL2 Plane related threads...won't it get a little well...boring http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

But as for the vastly Off Topic Threads...yeah get rid of them...
Bad dreams, Raiids understanding of physics, Vietnam, Halloween, Horror films....
I won't miss them

Jason I liked and participated heavily in the best tank thread, most decent threads are fine. I also said how about more IL2 AND WW2 not just planes.

I am however completely fed up of

'Insert Nationalistic BS here' RoXoRs RAH RAH RAH

threads and all they do is encourage other flaming posts.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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mynameisroland
10-31-2006, 09:34 AM
Originally posted by BiscuitKnight:
The stricter the forum, the quieter it is.

I think the way the forum is right now is conducive to new members and asking question, no? If the forum becomes quiet people tend to look for a busy one?

Who said anything about jumping on people asking a question? Especially new players.

I just want a clamp down o

mynameisroland
10-31-2006, 09:37 AM
Who said anything about jumping on people asking a question? Especially new players.

I just want a clamp down on the people who everyone knows are trouble makers who post to the detriment of discussions and interesting topics.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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FlatSpinMan
10-31-2006, 10:13 AM
I agree totally and voted accordingly but this will probably get locked for being too whiney.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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10-31-2006, 10:25 AM
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joeap
10-31-2006, 10:30 AM
Yes, that's what I voted, but I doubt we'll get it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

carguy_
10-31-2006, 10:31 AM
*sigh*I didn`t want to say this but we need to have a definition of spam first http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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BiscuitKnight
10-31-2006, 10:40 AM
mynameisroland I never said anything about jumping on people either. I just mean that I believe inactive forums discourage people. I certainly found on at least two forums that most of the posts went to a general area instead of the specific areas provided and it was occasionally mentioned that they felt like the quiet specific areas were the wrong area.

I don't really see any deliberate nationalistic pro-whatever threads being started. What I do see is things like people posting "look, flyboys!" and it degenerates into Commonwealth vs USA sometimes. Alternately Hollywood and the P-51 became a US vs German thread, who would have seen that coming? And it's just a difference in opinion/interpretation.

I've only seen a few deliberate trollings to goad nationalist debates, and even those were within threads. Are you proposing we ban anyone who is suspected of derailing threads - intentionally or not - when we see them? The only other cutting of the proposal is only strictly related discussion- IE murder the forum.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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F6_Ace
10-31-2006, 11:13 AM
One way that works appears to get those threads that are likely to cause trouble into PM land although getting those people into those threads is another matter.

I think it used to be the case that we had an 'anything goes' pilots lounge where a lot of the 'extra curricular' activity was vented off - nowadays it just happens in here. I can't see why <b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">UBI[/b] should allow a 'free topic' area because, after all, they have a responsibility towards looking after their image by not hosting that kind of thing.

Effectively, it all comes back to the "red vs blue thing" that has been going on for a long time and which has caused people to be entrenched. It'd take a lot of time to reverse that, if it were possible.

Haigotron
10-31-2006, 11:15 AM
i voted yes, in regards to my last horrible horrible thread...http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Hoarmurath
10-31-2006, 11:20 AM
SimHQ forums are the proof that forums can be very active, but without all the bull**** we have to deal with here.

On the other hand, on cwos, the "free speech forum", the il2 board is not very active.

Without necessarily trying to make these forums a twin of simhq ones, i think there are lessons to get from them.

It is also interesting to note that Luthier and Oleg have for some time now been more active at simHQ than here.

In the end, the decision is in the hands of the moderators. It is them that set the forum tone with what they permit, and what they don't.

BiscuitKnight
10-31-2006, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by Haigotron:
i voted yes, in regards to my last horrible horrible thread...http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

As you should be - it will clearly lead to a Jetpack debate, and provide me with pages of entertainment. Nasty, nasty business.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Kurfurst__
10-31-2006, 11:31 AM
Problem is, 90% of the noise by posters I can count on one hand.

Frankly I don't understand why everybody else must be denied from normal discussion just to allow these few guys to have their own private arena for their slugging matches with the 95% of the posters being the (friggin bored and annoyed) audience.

I say do it the NKVD-style. Say, banning quotas that must be fullfilled in every month. Or we can vote every month about the 3 most annoying members that of that month that gets banned for a month, in a rotary system.

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Low_Flyer_MkVb
10-31-2006, 11:39 AM
It is also interesting to note that Luthier and Oleg have for some time now been more active at simHQ than here.

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WOLFMondo
10-31-2006, 12:16 PM
Leave it as is. I like the comedy.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Ruy Horta
10-31-2006, 12:23 PM
It is also interesting to note that Luthier and Oleg have for some time now been more active at simHQ than here.

Is that really such a bad thing?

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papotex
10-31-2006, 12:55 PM
I come here because i like its unicness

I like going to SIM HQ for theirs.

If Im not interested in reading something i dont, but sometimes i read stuff that dont have to do with the sim or WW2 just because i find it amusing......after all,generally, the guys that post here we all have more in common than other wise

Whirlin_merlin
10-31-2006, 01:08 PM
As a Danish friend of mine once remarked.
"You British don't have the right to free speech, you have the right to give uninformed opinion."

Oh how often they're confused.

luftluuver
10-31-2006, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
Problem is, 90% of the noise by posters I can count on one hand. Yup and your hobnailed booted goose stepping is at the centre. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Eliminate you and the place would be somewhat more quieter place. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SimHQ wouldn't put up with the dung you have thrown around.

F6_Ace
10-31-2006, 01:55 PM
And we wonder why it perpetuates http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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luftluuver
10-31-2006, 02:11 PM
Originally posted by F6_Ace:
And we wonder why it perpetuates http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif The truth is hard to accept at times, isn't it. How many long fest threads had a certain person at the centre?

F6_Ace
10-31-2006, 02:17 PM
About as many as had 'the opponents' present.

It really does take two, or in this case n, people to tango.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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LEBillfish
10-31-2006, 02:30 PM
Not my call, don't care, ignore button works fine.........That's the one where I skim over 90% of the threads and never click on the title. A little goofing is fine, yet I do have to admit, sometimes it boils down to a contest of threads to see who is the King of Fools...

Frankly......The fools posts will thin greatly with 4.06&7 and will be less tolerated in legitimate threads......Simply cycles is all.

Sure beats "so when is the patch" posts 20 threads a day.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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faustnik
10-31-2006, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by luftluuver:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
Problem is, 90% of the noise by posters I can count on one hand. Yup and your hobnailed booted goose stepping is at the centre. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Eliminate you and the place would be somewhat more quieter place. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SimHQ wouldn't put up with the dung you have thrown around. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Luft,

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Blutarski2004
10-31-2006, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
I say do it the NKVD-style. Say, banning quotas that must be fullfilled in every month. Or we can vote every month about the 3 most annoying members that of that month that gets banned for a month, in a rotary system.



..... That sounds a great deal like the General Electric Corportion management style.

Hmmm.....General Electric = NKVD.

Interesting.

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Beuf_Ninja
10-31-2006, 03:01 PM
I voted NO. I really enjoy the comedy/crazy simply stupid threads, it's the only thing that keeps me coming back. This community is the most active and fun I've come across in all my internet life, don't stunt it by censoring, just don't read a topic if it doesn't interest you. Don't feed the animals.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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crazyivan1970
10-31-2006, 03:11 PM
Luft,

Enjoy the vacation and dont tell me i did not warn you.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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crazyivan1970
10-31-2006, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
Problem is, 90% of the noise by posters I can count on one hand.

Frankly I don't understand why everybody else must be denied from normal discussion just to allow these few guys to have their own private arena for their slugging matches with the 95% of the posters being the (friggin bored and annoyed) audience.

I say do it the NKVD-style. Say, banning quotas that must be fullfilled in every month. Or we can vote every month about the 3 most annoying members that of that month that gets banned for a month, in a rotary system.

Sheer terror striking down randomly also sounds good. (k, just kiddin)

NKVD style will kill this forum. This community like a huge crazy family, removing members for being silly will get us nowhere. Without silliness this place will be numb and boring. But even silliness allowed to some limit. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Sooo, yea...<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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MEGILE
10-31-2006, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by luftluuver:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
Problem is, 90% of the noise by posters I can count on one hand. Yup and your hobnailed booted goose stepping is at the centre. :


</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LMAO

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Thanatos833
10-31-2006, 03:24 PM
What this place needs is a separate off topic forum.

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10-31-2006, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by Thanatos833:
What this place needs is a separate off topic forum.

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10-31-2006, 03:33 PM
Wear helmet too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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RCAF_Irish_403
10-31-2006, 03:37 PM
Way OT...Megile, that is the sweetest sig i've ever seen http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

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10-31-2006, 03:39 PM
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Ob.Emann
10-31-2006, 04:08 PM
I believe a Stalinesque purge would be well in order. Can we st

Bearcat99
10-31-2006, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by Hoarmurath:
SimHQ forums are the proof that forums can be very active, but without all the bull**** we have to deal with here.
On the other hand, on cwos, the "free speech forum", the il2 board is not very active.
Without necessarily trying to make these forums a twin of simhq ones, i think there are lessons to get from them.
It is also interesting to note that Luthier and Oleg have for some time now been more active at simHQ than here.
In the end, the decision is in the hands of the moderators. It is them that set the forum tone with what they permit, and what they don't.

First off let me just cut and paste from a simlar thread...

Discussions about history hypothetical and otherwise, especially if they are related to the era in which this sim takes place will not be stopped unless they are violating forum rules or get out of hand. If we kept this forum strictly held to discussions about 1C sims only it would be empty because the line between 1C sims and history is a blurry one. As for discussions about other aspects of history and current politics, we try to keep them limited and in many cases they are cut off at the knees. If you don't like the job the moderators are doing feel free to submit a complaint to <b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">UBI[/b], or if things here make you uncomfortable then you can always go elsewhere.

For most heavy discussions on other subjects there are other forums that can accomodate the most.. shall we say.. eccentric tastes.. among them are CWOS (http://www.acompletewasteofspace.com/index.php) which is actually a direct offspring of the old <b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">UBI[/b] Pilots Lounge, formed by folks that used to come here but left when <b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">UBI[/b] closed the old pilots lounge around the time the Iraq war got started, when things got crazy and the politics just got out of hand which caused the pilots lounge to be closed, and The Pilost Pub (http://www.pilotspub.org/phpBB2/index.php) which, from my understanding , and don't qoute me because I could be wrong, is a direct offshoot of CWOS.. formed when some CWOS folks had a falling out with CWOS and formed the Pub.. so indirectly both forums are a result of the old <b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">UBI[/b] Pilots Lounge (Which was actually a very interesting place and the thing that got me into forums in the first place) closing down because of the very thing, though no where near what we have here... it was much more... shall I say... wild west back then...., that you are crying about now.

Go to those sites...and basically you will see how it used to be here in the pilots lounge (minus a lot of the PLX stuff of course.... and it wasnt quite as raunchy.. but basically both of those sites are close to what the old pilots lounge was.. (imagine being a mod back then... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif). So basically what I am telling you is suck it up and get over it. Let us do our jobs and don't try to second guess us. If you have a beef send us a PM... you can get more than one person in on a PM so I advise all forum members to put all the mods you know of on your friends list so if you do have an issue you can send a PM to all of us, or you can beef to <b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">UBI[/b]. If you aren't satisfied with my answer then..... sorry I cant help you.

Secondly.... Oleg stopped coming around here I believe when one of thew 2.xx patches came out and he popped into the RR ang got disrespected TOTALLY by more than a few folks in here. Some of them are no longer around and some are. The same with Luthier.... all the complaints about the "Incomplete, BS sim..... "... and "Oleg biased the American planes......" etc.. and some of that **** still goes on here. Thats why they dont come around much. I think anyway..... no one told me that .. but I would have told a lot folks to bite me a long time ago if I had to put up with the stuff that they had to put up with.

Now as for this forum... which is all I am really concerned about as far as the topic goes.

I think we do a pretty decent job here... it is easier to herd cats than to keep a bunch of guys with varied mindsets, proclivities, states of inebriation, etc.. to toe a certain line. I think we do a pretty good job of it myself. Some times we miss stuff... sometimes we get hasty.. and I can only speak for myself.. but I have had to floss with my shoelaces on more than one occasion and I am sure at some point it will happen again. The only thing wrong with the "Why Germany got spanked" thread aside from the title was some of the name calling , but that was not until the end, the disucussion was actually decent until then. Like a lot of threads here. We tried the keep it stictly IL2 and WWII.. it doesnt always work because it is all connected.. we do our best to keep current events and nation bashing out of the mix... and frankly I think we are doing a good job.... Anyone remember the whole France thing.... or the Nazi bits... It is what it is. If it is too much for you then there is always SHQ,SOH,NW,AW.C, and a host of others. Takle my advice and put the mods on your friends list and let us know when there is something that is potentially infamatory.. and let us do our jobs.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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LEBillfish
10-31-2006, 04:18 PM
Well, I in contrast do think something needs to be done which is both drastic and urgently needed.......

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Rjel
10-31-2006, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Well, I in contrast do think something needs to be done which is both drastic and urgently needed.......

I await my spanking..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Yikes! Where do I find the hide post button?
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crazyivan1970
10-31-2006, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Well, I in contrast do think something needs to be done which is both drastic and urgently needed.......

I await my spanking..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Well, if you are insisting dear.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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slipBall
10-31-2006, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Well, I in contrast do think something needs to be done which is both drastic and urgently needed.......

I await my spanking..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



Hand....or whip...Lady's choice http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Kurfurst__
11-01-2006, 01:24 AM
Originally posted by crazyivan1970:

NKVD style will kill this forum. This community like a huge crazy family, removing members for being silly will get us nowhere. Without silliness this place will be numb and boring. But even silliness allowed to some limit. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Sooo, yea...

*sadly puts back Grandpa's Tokarev into the box*

Yeah, sorta. I'd say currently it's bearable, and a spontenues quarantine seem to work, which can be identifying from high pagenation with the same handful of partcipiants arguing back and forth or do not cease to fully agree with each other. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif IMHO that's good, it keeps the problem localised and the other threads clean. Why this is all nice and even fun to waste some time somedays, the problem that however needs some solution is the trolling which sometimes makes the more serious discussions impossible; there's room for both kinds of threads, just that they should not mixed.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Fork-N-spoon
11-01-2006, 01:38 AM
mynameisroland, I believe that the first place that we need to start is making polls exactly what they are, polls. Your question/poll was legitimate and the selections that you provided were spot on. However, this like many polls are never polls but general discussions. It???s a poll not a discussion thread. I think polls should be locked for voting only. I feel it???s simply a case of people needing to further their self-centered egos. For example, john_doe not only casts his vote, but also feels the need to post and say why he voted a certain way because he???s right and we???re all wrong... Who cares? It???s a poll plain and simple, cast your vote and be done with it. By the way, good luck with your new cause!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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willyvic
11-01-2006, 04:01 AM
This place is tame considering the personalities we have about. It being an interesting place to stop by for all these years is directly related to those personalities.

Could care less about the poll (no offense to the starter) and know the style and idiosyncrasies of this board will continue to shine bright.

And, IMHO, the moderating ain't been half bad over the years either.

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Bearcat99
11-01-2006, 04:11 AM
Originally posted by willyvic:
This place is tame considering the personalities we have about. It being an interesting place to stop by for all these years is directly related to those personalities.
Could care less about the poll (no offense to the starter) and know the style and idiosyncrasies of this board will continue to shine bright.
And, IMHO, the moderating ain't been half bad over the years either.
WV


Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Luft,
Enjoy the vacation and dont tell me i did not warn you.

It doesnt gget much better than that.... a warning... another .... BAM http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif
We do our best here.. and overall I think this community isnt bad either.


Originally posted by Thanatos833:
What this place needs is a separate off topic forum.


Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Wear helmet too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
We had offtopic forum twice, and both times it became a complete failure.

I think back to the heady days when I first came around here.. it blew me away... I didnt even know that these things existed... but it would never work here... We get slightly OT discussins or discussions about historical facts that have to be locked because of thin skinned folks... or trolls... can you imagine if it was way OT.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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stathem
11-01-2006, 04:56 AM
If you're listening to the radio in search of new music you have to listen to a lot of rubbish in order to hear the occasional stunning tune - you know the ones where you can remember where you were the first time you heard it.

If you're panning for gold you have to throw out a lot of useless grit to find those little nuggets.

It's the same here - every so often, sometimes in the most obscure, obvious trolling threads you can find those little nuggets of information that make it worthwile. It's a rare day when I skim through these boards and something new and interesing doesn't come to light, something I didn't know, a new direction to look into.

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lowfighter
11-01-2006, 05:19 AM
Originally posted by stathem:
If you're listening to the radio in search of new music you have to listen to a lot of rubbish in order to hear the occasional stunning tune - you know the ones where you can remember where you were the first time you heard it.

If you're panning for gold you have to throw out a lot of useless grit to find those little nuggets.

It's the same here - every so often, sometimes in the most obscure, obvious trolling threads you can find those little nuggets of information that make it worthwile. It's a rare day when I skim through these boards and something new and interesing doesn't come to light, something I didn't know, a new direction to look into.

If you make people too afraid to chance their arm, then some of the signal will inevitably be lost.


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BiscuitKnight
11-01-2006, 05:31 AM
Originally posted by Fork-N-spoon:
mynameisroland, I believe that the first place that we need to start is making polls exactly what they are, polls. Your question/poll was legitimate and the selections that you provided were spot on. However, this like many polls are never polls but general discussions. It???s a poll not a discussion thread. I think polls should be locked for voting only. I feel it???s simply a case of people needing to further their self-centered egos. For example, john_doe not only casts his vote, but also feels the need to post and say why he voted a certain way because he???s right and we???re all wrong... Who cares? It???s a poll plain and simple, cast your vote and be done with it. By the way, good luck with your new cause!

Nice way to take a stab at everyone who's posted so far. Speaking of people who're sure they're right and everyone else is wrong...<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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F6_Ace
11-01-2006, 06:03 AM
^ Indeed. I didn't even vote. Just discussed.

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MEGILE
11-01-2006, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by Fork-N-spoon:
some dumb stuff..

You just posted in a poll thread...

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Fork-N-spoon
11-02-2006, 12:24 AM
Yes... I felt the need to explain myself because my name isn't Fork-N-spoon, but rather bolillo_loco. Most people know me as anti-social, which I am. I???m a bit narcissistic and have nothing but discontent for others. If you were as good looking as I am, well quite frankly I wouldn???t have to explain myself. Chopper Reid even admires me as well as Chuck Norris??? Right, I???m off to listen to some Morrissey records??? Why shouldn???t I post in a poll??? The rest of you tossers do!

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Esel1964
11-02-2006, 12:52 AM
Originally posted by stathem:
If you're listening to the radio in search of new music you have to listen to a lot of rubbish in order to hear the occasional stunning tune - you know the ones where you can remember where you were the first time you heard it.

If you're panning for gold you have to throw out a lot of useless grit to find those little nuggets.

It's the same here - every so often, sometimes in the most obscure, obvious trolling threads you can find those little nuggets of information that make it worthwile. It's a rare day when I skim through these boards and something new and interesing doesn't come to light, something I didn't know, a new direction to look into.

If you make people too afraid to chance their arm, then some of the signal will inevitably be lost.

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Feathered_IV
11-02-2006, 03:05 AM
I like the banter and good natured rhubarb. I voted for things the way they are http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Oh, and just for you K2....

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Sergio_101
11-02-2006, 03:27 AM
This post/poll smacks of censorship.
mynameisroland wants to censor "pointless"
threads such as those that point out that
Germany did in fact loose badly.

So from this point on, all threads get cleared
by Isegrim/Kurfurst or mynameisroland.
If not found to be of proper National Socialist content
the post will be censored/deleted.

German weapons will be seen as uber from this point on.
Bf-109s are only allowed to be out climbed by
Me-163s.

Allied victory is strictly the product of carefully
manipulated propaganda. Germany could NEVER have
lost with all those uber weapons and the spiritual
help of the Tutonic Knights. This MUST be enforced.

Sig Heil.


Sergio

BiscuitKnight
11-02-2006, 03:45 AM
Your post smacks of
A poem
It strangely breaks
For no
Apparent reason
I find it quite frustrating
It's almost like Haiku
But it bloody well isn't
So bite
Me

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mynameisroland
11-02-2006, 04:35 AM
Originally posted by Sergio_101:
This post/poll smacks of censorship.
mynameisroland wants to censor "pointless"
threads such as those that point out that
Germany did in fact loose badly.

So from this point on, all threads get cleared
by Isegrim/Kurfurst or mynameisroland.
If not found to be of proper National Socialist content
the post will be censored/deleted.

German weapons will be seen as uber from this point on.
Bf-109s are only allowed to be out climbed by
Me-163s.

Allied victory is strictly the product of carefully
manipulated propaganda. Germany could NEVER have
lost with all those uber weapons and the spiritual
help of the Tutonic Knights. This MUST be enforced.

Sig Heil.


Sergio

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ElAurens
11-02-2006, 05:36 AM
Whats the matter Boemher? Starting to enjoy that ban stick on UK Ded so much you want to wield it here too?

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BiscuitKnight
11-02-2006, 05:45 AM
Originally posted by mynameisroland:
This is what Im on about - ****** input that isnt required from the man who thinks WW2 is RENO AIR RACING LOL

Perhaps if
The tone of this
Forum annoys you, then
You could frequent another
Site like SimHQ, to save your
Blood pressure?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Breeze147
11-02-2006, 06:24 AM
I think the original poster would do well to mind his own business and go along with the program. Each of us has the choice to participate or not in any thread. If the tone of this place is offensive to an individual, said individual can go someplace else. Or maybe they should adopt a code such as HNO (Hopeless Nerds Only).<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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mynameisroland
11-02-2006, 06:27 AM
Originally posted by BiscuitKnight:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mynameisroland:
This is what Im on about - ****** input that isnt required from the man who thinks WW2 is RENO AIR RACING LOL

Perhaps if
The tone of this
Forum annoys you, then
You could frequent another
Site like SimHQ, to save your
Blood pressure? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

maybe
but
poetic
members of
these forums
give me a
wood

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mynameisroland
11-02-2006, 06:27 AM
Originally posted by Breeze147:
I think the original poster would do well to mind his own business and go along with the program. Each of us has the choice to participate or not in any thread. If the tone of this place is offensive to an individual, said individual can go someplace else. Or maybe they should adopt a code such as HNO (Hopeless Nerds Only).

The land of the free! and the home of the brave...<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Breeze147
11-02-2006, 06:36 AM
That's exactly right, wise guy. You have the freedom to click that mouse and go wherever you want. Don't censor me, I won't stand for it. I actually fought for my country and my flag and you or no one else will take my freedoms away from me. If you want to have purely technical discussions, that's fine, I learn a lot from those, too. However, if I want to smile and banter, then I have that freedom as well. If your stuck up teutonic *** can't deal with that, you have a roller and two buttons on your mouse so you don't have to look at it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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mynameisroland
11-02-2006, 06:42 AM
Originally posted by Breeze147:
yadda,yadda,yadda, when I fought in the Civil War ....

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Cut the Nationalistic BS and start your own thread Troll.

PS take some lessons from your superiors Hayate and Sergio, because your efforts score zero on the scale http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Breeze147
11-02-2006, 06:55 AM
Don't edit my posts, you arrogant punk.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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raaaid
11-02-2006, 07:09 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

haha this makaes me laugh as hell

Beuf_Ninja
11-02-2006, 07:19 AM
And now it starts to get nasty. To much testosterone round here, maybe some of you should get out and play some contact sports?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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jasonbirder
11-02-2006, 07:31 AM
Am I the only one who finds it highly amusing that the poster of


Each of us has the choice to participate or not in any thread. If the tone of this place is offensive to an individual, said individual can go someplace else...You have the freedom to click that mouse and go wherever you want. Don't censor me, I won't stand for it.

Yet, in answer to mynameisroland posts...


I think the original poster would do well to mind his own business and go along with the program.

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MEGILE
11-02-2006, 07:39 AM
Originally posted by mynameisroland:


The land of the free! and the home of the brave...

When you post with no class, expect to receive classes replies.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Beuf_Ninja
11-02-2006, 07:41 AM
Originally posted by jasonbirder:
Am I the only one who finds it highly amusing that the poster of

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Each of us has the choice to participate or not in any thread. If the tone of this place is offensive to an individual, said individual can go someplace else...You have the freedom to click that mouse and go wherever you want. Don't censor me, I won't stand for it.

Yet, in answer to mynameisroland posts...


I think the original poster would do well to mind his own business and go along with the program.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah thats Army logic for ya.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Breeze147
11-02-2006, 08:16 AM
Expertly taken completely out of context, gents. In no way, shape or form that my comments were "classless". Since when does expressing my free opinion constitute a lack of class?

None of you are going to change my mind, anyway. I think the entire pack of you nerds are entirely too ridiculous with the way you take flying a little model airplane around a computer screen SO freaking seriously.

It's a GAME!! If a certain core of people want to have fun, so be it. If another wants to get off on advanced physics and aerodynamics, let them. BUT DON'T IMPOSE YOUR CENSORSHIP ON ME!!

You can all gun down your make believe Spits and Doras all you want. If the majority of you ever got into a real fight, with your life on the line, you would **** your pants and run in the opposite direction.

I fly this because it is fun and enlightening. I stand no chance whatsoever of having my face burned off by an engine fire. I agree that the more historical and the more accurate it is adds to the fun. But, I have no delusions that this is anything more than a computer simulation, something 99% of the world's population could care less about.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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madsarmy
11-02-2006, 08:19 AM
Your all a bunch of http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/tommybomb/jerk.gif <div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Even the Hun makes a pretty poor fighter with his head buried in a handkerchief!
Captain G. Mainwaring

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Beuf_Ninja
11-02-2006, 08:38 AM
Originally posted by Breeze147:
Expertly taken completely out of context, gents. In no way, shape or form that my comments were "classless". Since when does expressing my free opinion constitute a lack of class?

None of you are going to change my mind, anyway. I think the entire pack of you nerds are entirely too ridiculous with the way you take flying a little model airplane around a computer screen SO freaking seriously.

It's a GAME!! If a certain core of people want to have fun, so be it. If another wants to get off on advanced physics and aerodynamics, let them. BUT DON'T IMPOSE YOUR CENSORSHIP ON ME!!

You can all gun down your make believe Spits and Doras all you want. If the majority of you ever got into a real fight, with your life on the line, you would **** your pants and run in the opposite direction.

I fly this because it is fun and enlightening. I stand no chance whatsoever of having my face burned off by an engine fire. I agree that the more historical and the more accurate it is adds to the fun. But, I have no delusions that this is anything more than a computer simulation, something 99% of the world's population could care less about.

Actually Megile was saying mynameisroland's statemant about the land of the free was classless, he wasn't criticising you he was defending your response. I agree with you on the censorship debate it won't make this forum a better place.
But can't you see that telling someone to not post about the subject of not posting is a lttle ironic.
I also enjoy IL2 Sturmovik and since I don't play online I'm not caught up in any competition so the pro's and con's over various flight models have never bothered me nor have nationalistic outburts by some of the members. I have never fought for my life or my country, I pay taxes so that people without the same advantages as I have been gifted with can, I have a great deal of respect for anyone who serves their nation and their countrymen. I am a major nerd though, but I don't see that as a negative thing, the 21st century is the nerds time.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Beuf_Ninja
11-02-2006, 08:40 AM
Originally posted by madsarmy:
Your all a bunch of http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/tommybomb/jerk.gif

Twice daily http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif. One time I got up to eight but I hit the wall and had an out of body experience where I got to meet Buddha and play ping pong with Vishnu.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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F6_Ace
11-02-2006, 09:38 AM
No one wants a censored forum.

They want one where double standards don't exist.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Jaws2002
11-02-2006, 09:40 AM
This is a game forum maintained by the company that Sold the game.It is OFFICIAL for this game and they pay for the bandwidth. So they have the right to moderate it the way they want. This forum is not my country so i don't have no special rights here. I bought the game and they offer me a place where to ask questions and discuss stuff related to the game, to WW2 or many other things. But, I have no right to go around and harass other forum users and trash all their discussions. They are customers like me. I have to respect them.
The problem is that are no more then four-five of this guys that are completely out of line. They never came with a constructive post. Was always ridicule , trolling, nationalistic ****, that we all could do better without.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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11-02-2006, 09:41 AM
Correctamundo<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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LEBillfish
11-02-2006, 10:06 AM
as the race to see who can be the one to kill the thread has begun......*shakes head so bored with the cycle here at times*<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Monty_Thrud
11-02-2006, 10:52 AM
maybe some of you should get out and play some contact sports?



I do, i do...however i tend to finish early, does this mean i'm good.

...this is good , we can all get rid of our anxst and then have a jolly good ol' group hug...

i'm going to join in...U BUNCH O' "!@&ers Y'ALL GET ON MY +_*% and I'M GONNER FLIP YA FLIPPIN' SISTER AN ALL... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

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AKA_TAGERT
11-02-2006, 11:03 AM
At this moment.. I would just like to point out that this is my first post in this threa, and therefore I had nothing to do with the direction it has gone up to this point.. good or bad! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Philipscdrw
11-02-2006, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by Breeze147:
That's exactly right, wise guy. You have the freedom to click that mouse and go wherever you want. Don't censor me, I won't stand for it. I actually fought for my country and my flag and you or no one else will take my freedoms away from me. If you want to have purely technical discussions, that's fine, I learn a lot from those, too. However, if I want to smile and banter, then I have that freedom as well. If your stuck up teutonic *** can't deal with that, you have a roller and two buttons on your mouse so you don't have to look at it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif
Uh, you don't have the right to free speech on a privately-owned, European-based, corporate-run internet forum...

To be honest, there are a small group of people who are always coming out with, to my eyes, posts that are madly ill-informed at best and downright malicious at worst ("The reason we don't have a {plane-type} is because Oleg is biased against {nation}" et. al) and in my opinion, this forum would be a better place without posts from that certain group of individuals...<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Thanatos833
11-02-2006, 06:11 PM
quote:
Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Wear helmet too Smile
We had offtopic forum twice, and both times it became a complete failure.



I think back to the heady days when I first came around here.. it blew me away... I didnt even know that these things existed... but it would never work here... We get slightly OT discussins or discussions about historical facts that have to be locked because of thin skinned folks... or trolls... can you imagine if it was way OT. That's quite odd, almost every forum I have gone, and I've been to quite a few, have an off-topic forum of some sort. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

heywooood
11-02-2006, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
At this moment.. I would just like to point out that this is my first post in this threa, and therefore I had nothing to do with the direction it has gone up to this point.. good or bad! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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AKA_TAGERT
11-02-2006, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by heywooood:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
At this moment.. I would just like to point out that this is my first post in this threa, and therefore I had nothing to do with the direction it has gone up to this point.. good or bad! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

errrm...yeah - me neither. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>SAVVY<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Bearcat99
11-02-2006, 09:32 PM
While it is true that we all are free to not participate in any post in this forum, if you DO choose to participate in ANY post here you must adhere to certain guidelines. There is no free speech on this forum. It is privately owned and privately moderated by voulunteers who try thier best to juggle that fine line between keeping things lively and interesting and still maintaining civility. So everyone keep it civil or take a vacation. This will be the only warning.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Monty_Thrud
11-02-2006, 11:50 PM
I do find it quite disturbing that, it's fine to denigrate Britain, Germany etc, but when its Americas turn, NO WAY!, LOCK, i thought USA were all for free speech? (and no i'm not anti American, far from it)...just curious is all.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Old_Canuck
11-03-2006, 12:16 AM
Anyone else miss the troll wars of years gone by? None of our present day trolls measure up to the standards below. The quality of trollmanship has diminished drastically in the last couple of years IMAO. No need to mention names but I keep getting nostaligic flashbacks of monobrows and red blazers. There's a good enough balance in the forum these days though. Wannabee trolls pop up and get smacked back down into their holes a lot faster but it's still fun to watch. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

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Feathered_IV
11-03-2006, 05:04 AM
Notice how everyone in this thread is a regular and has been for years? Every day on the forum is like Christmas dinner with the whole, disfunctional, extended family. Bless you all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Bearcat99
11-03-2006, 05:15 AM
Originally posted by Monty_Thrud:
I do find it quite disturbing that, it's fine to denigrate Britain, Germany etc, but when its Americas turn, NO WAY!, LOCK, i thought USA were all for free speech? (and no i'm not anti American, far from it)...just curious is all.

You have got to be kidding.

What forum are you on? No one denigrates Britain.. or Germany for that matter. Show me one thread where either was "denigrated" that didnt get the same treatment. Do you think that any criticism of a nation counts as denigration.... or a statement of HISTORICAL FACT AS IT PRETAINS TO WWII OR THE EVENTS LEADING UP TO IT COUNTS AS DENIGRATION? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

How often do you hear... "You Germans xxxxx" or "You Brits xxxxx". Now ask yourself how many times right here in this forum you hear "You Yanks xxx" whether it's about planes, cars, movies or widgets. Everytime a hollywood war movie comes out some people around here seem to think that means let's talk about how the Americans think they do everything better, one every war by themselves and want to rule the world, and this is at the mere mention of the movie coming. The spasmodic cries of "Yanks rewriting history from a lot of folks here.. YOU included are legendary. Can you say Billy Fiske? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

Perhaps threads denigrating the U.S. get locked so fast because they pop up so often, usually from someone from Britain... Why do you think so many Americans on these forums are so sensitive to the issue? It didn't just happen that way by itself. Just about any thread praising anything American or even talking about it's virtues or it's deficiencies in this sim ALWAYS turns into a version of "You Americans think youir Mustang,Thyunderbolt/B-17 etc etc etc.... as all that..... but our XXXXX did this that and the other better.." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif PUUUHHLEASE.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I see between you and Breeze and a few others in here this thread will soon be locked. I dont want to have some jerk tell me about posting and locking so I won't do that... I'll let you or some others respond... before I lock this thing....


Originally posted by Old_Canuck:
Anyone else miss the troll wars of years gone by? None of our present day trolls measure up to the standards below. The quality of trollmanship has diminished drastically in the last couple of years IMAO. No need to mention names but I keep getting nostaligic flashbacks of monobrows and red blazers. There's a good enough balance in the forum these days though. Wannabee trolls pop up and get smacked back down into their holes a lot faster but it's still fun to watch. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

You got that right.. a bunch of rank amatures.... besides... this is NOT a kindler.. gentler forum... the art of trollmanship cannot be properly cultivated n this soil. Now get back in line mister.. OR ELSE. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Low_Flyer_MkVb
11-03-2006, 05:42 AM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Notice how everyone in this thread is a regular and has been for years? Every day on the forum is like Christmas dinner with the whole, disfunctional, extended family. Bless you all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

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Beuf_Ninja
11-03-2006, 05:44 AM
O.k it has officially got nasty now, the original thread topic has been completely lost! We're into the well trodden, blood soaked, ground of international relations now; the only place left to go is foriegn policy.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Monty_Thrud
11-03-2006, 05:48 AM
YOU included are legendary

Sorry BC if you think that, where have i ever knocked your country??...unless it's in jest...which is where i feel half the problems are coming from, different sense of humour, even between U.S. and U.K. never mind everyone else who visits these forums whose first language is'nt English.

Hopefully when BOB comes along there will be seperate forums for all Axis, Allied, USA, Commonwealth, then we can all stop winding each other up, taking the hump and responding in a nasty way, just because we've had a bad day at work http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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F6_Ace
11-03-2006, 06:05 AM
Let's face it, BC, if they were 'historical facts' as you put it, there would be no need for discussion because they wouldn't be open to debate. So, obviously, they are someone's versions of historical fact, either because they truthfully believe them...or because of a wind up...which is another matter entirely.

At least we know 'which side' BC is on now; that's one mod's actions (or inaction) explained.

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Enthor1
11-03-2006, 06:39 AM
Well, looks like the cage cleaners are in no danger of unemployment.

mynameisroland
11-03-2006, 06:46 AM
Originally posted by Jaws2002:
I bought the game and they offer me a place where to ask questions and discuss stuff related to the game, to WW2 or many other things. But, I have no right to go around and harass other forum users and trash all their discussions. They are customers like me. I have to respect them.
The problem is that are no more then four-five of this guys that are completely out of line. They never came with a constructive post. Was always ridicule , trolling, nationalistic ****, that we all could do better without.


Believe it or not this is what I am asking for.

But as has been pointed out - we are expected to suffer fools gladly in our midst. Cant even have a poll thread without being branded Teutonic which to me is offensive becuase we all know the adjective he wanted to use 'N**i' would have resulted in slapped wrists.

If troll wants to derail this thread or any thread thats fine. Thats what they do to every thread you enter, after all thats why they come here. When was the last time any of the usual suspects added anything helpful to a new poster or added any constructive input to any thread>?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Breeze147
11-03-2006, 08:02 AM
Wait a second. Am I being accused of being a troll? Well, isn't that a kick in my ***!! I have tried nothing more than to be as sincere as I can be. Does my somewhat "off the wall" (or what I would term "lively) debating tactics really offend people THAT MUCH?

Well, another opinon squashed. Dammitt, I'm going to go and fly my P-47 and kill some Na.., ah, I mean Teut..., ah, I mean Ger..., ah I mean Members Of The Opposing Axis Forces, bearing in mind that the P-47 never actually outperformed any of the ah, Opposing Axis Forces aircraft and that my .50 cal.'s are Overrated (can't say uber because that is German and I don't want to offend their supporters).

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mynameisroland
11-03-2006, 08:41 AM
Originally posted by Breeze147:
Ridiculous, isn't it?

I agree, it is ridiculous how you can half read a thread and then come on all self righteous about censorship while contradicting yourself in the same post.

Re read the initial thread and see that it requests stricter treatment of known A**hats not everyone.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Philipscdrw
11-03-2006, 08:42 AM
Originally posted by Breeze147:
Wait a second. Am I being accused of being a troll? Well, isn't that a kick in my ***!! I have tried nothing more than to be as sincere as I can be. Does my somewhat "off the wall" (or what I would term "lively) debating tactics really offend people THAT MUCH?

Well, another opinon squashed. Dammitt, I'm going to go and fly my P-47 and kill some Na.., ah, I mean Teut..., ah, I mean Ger..., ah I mean Members Of The Opposing Axis Forces, bearing in mind that the P-47 never actually outperformed any of the ah, Opposing Axis Forces aircraft and that my .50 cal.'s are Overrated (can't say uber because that is German and I don't want to offend their supporters).

Ridiculous, isn't it?

Calm down dear, it's a commercial! (Oh wait, you're not British, you won't know that advert... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

Fight the simulated forces of Nazism if you like, but don't insult the real people on this forum! It's unpleasant to go around saying things like 'if your stuck-up Teutonic *** can't deal with that...'

Anyway, I think the original post was about censoring a half-dozen known and established trolls in order to excise some of the noxious jingoism from these forums - a completely different idea to censoring everyone and you in particular, which is what you were originally objecting to!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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leitmotiv
11-03-2006, 08:54 AM
All German, English, American, Soviet, Japanese, and Rumanian aircraft are garbage. What'a a troll? Herf herf. I am sick of the despicable economic imperialism of the Channel Islands, and I dare a mod to ban me for stating the truth! Grrr grrr. Coca-Cola imperialism is bringing the world to its knees. I'm sick of it. I am fed up with postings which lack high seriousness! I can't take this anymore---aggggghhhhhhhhhhh.

BiscuitKnight
11-03-2006, 09:00 AM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Notice how everyone in this thread is a regular and has been for years? Every day on the forum is like Christmas dinner with the whole, disfunctional, extended family. Bless you all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Da_Godfatha
11-03-2006, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by Philipscdrw:[/QUOTE]
Uh, you don't have the right to free speech on a privately-owned, European-based, corporate-run internet forum.....[/QUOTE]

Wrong, and Double Wrong ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

EVERY person on this planet has the RIGHT of FREE SPEECH..... no matter where they live. That is a Human Right no Goverment or Mod can take away. Please read the United Nations Charter. There are certain Human Rights that every Man, Woman, Child, of EVERY Race or Religion have. And no European Company can take that away.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Beuf_Ninja
11-03-2006, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by Da_Godfatha:

Wrong, and Double Wrong ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

EVERY person on this planet has the RIGHT of FREE SPEECH..... no matter where they live. That is a Human Right no Goverment or Mod can take away. Please read the United Nations Charter. There are certain Human Rights that every Man, Woman, Child, of EVERY Race or Religion have. And no European Company can take that away.


Originally posted by BearCat(Forum Mod)

While it is true that we all are free to not participate in any post in this forum, if you DO choose to participate in ANY post here you must adhere to certain guidelines. There is no free speech on this forum.

You see this is Ubisofts house and they decide what's Free.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Da_Godfatha
11-03-2006, 12:26 PM
Originally posted by Beuf_Ninja:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Da_Godfatha:

Wrong, and Double Wrong ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

EVERY person on this planet has the RIGHT of FREE SPEECH..... no matter where they live. That is a Human Right no Goverment or Mod can take away. Please read the United Nations Charter. There are certain Human Rights that every Man, Woman, Child, of EVERY Race or Religion have. And no European Company can take that away.


Originally posted by BearCat(Forum Mod)

While it is true that we all are free to not participate in any post in this forum, if you DO choose to participate in ANY post here you must adhere to certain guidelines. There is no free speech on this forum.

You see this is Ubisofts house and they decide what's Free. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Right, I get the feeling this is a Wal-Markt forum........ or Scientology....... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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leitmotiv
11-03-2006, 12:30 PM
The UN Charter is not legally binding. Ubi forums are private property, and they are a voluntary organization which members join subject to Ubi's restrictions. Ubi has the law on its side (dem bums). Looked at in another way, would you like some governmental agency to tell you can't say and think what you want in your own house, and chuck into the street any annoying person who persists in saying things which annoy you? I'd rather have laws protect my property rights than otherwise (dem Ubi bums is still dem bums).

BiscuitKnight
11-03-2006, 01:01 PM
Moreover the UN charter is violated by the UN itself, so it can just go get...

Also, Australia has no freedom of expression laws, just for some trivia.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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F6_Ace
11-03-2006, 02:25 PM
You might think that it's a human right to take a dump anywhere. After all, that's what animals think is ok (and we are animals).

But, if someone took a dump on your car roof (or strolled into your bedroom and did a giant log), godfatha, you may well have something to say about the right not extending to your property.

I think that's a fair analogy. While I don't agree with some of the, ahem, moderation that goes on, I can't say that UBI do not have the right to protect their property.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Swivet
11-03-2006, 02:38 PM
Vote "Yes" in 06 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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leitmotiv
11-03-2006, 02:48 PM
Of course, Bakunin would say trash property rights.

steve_v
11-03-2006, 03:49 PM
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mynameisroland check your PM

steve_v
11-03-2006, 05:46 PM
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Please make your comments on topic.

crazyivan1970
11-03-2006, 06:47 PM
Originally posted by Beuf_Ninja:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Da_Godfatha:

Wrong, and Double Wrong ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

EVERY person on this planet has the RIGHT of FREE SPEECH..... no matter where they live. That is a Human Right no Goverment or Mod can take away. Please read the United Nations Charter. There are certain Human Rights that every Man, Woman, Child, of EVERY Race or Religion have. And no European Company can take that away.


Originally posted by BearCat(Forum Mod)

While it is true that we all are free to not participate in any post in this forum, if you DO choose to participate in ANY post here you must adhere to certain guidelines. There is no free speech on this forum.

You see this is Ubisofts house and they decide what's Free. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Interesting.... as much as we talk about freedom of speech... quiet a few people dont really know what it is... for them it`s bashing other countries, people, name calling...etc. Freedom of speech is something else. Needless to say, that for some reason, some people ignore most of the ground rules on this forum. No politics, religion, etc etc. Are those violation of freedom of speech too? I think some people need to remember where they are and what is this forum and community is all about.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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leitmotiv
11-03-2006, 06:54 PM
You are truly a good man, crazyivan.

mynameisroland
11-03-2006, 07:00 PM
Thanks for re opening

Again Id like to reitterate I dont want people not to post or to limit what they post, however I think most people here would like it to be easier to have a discussion without it being ruined by those special few

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steve5539
11-03-2006, 07:45 PM
No change to the forum needed in my opinion.

Change was made a few years ago when the old pilots lounge was closed down and a lot of good characters, who might have been a little controversial to some, were lost forever and this place has never been the same since.

If you don't like what a person has to say just ignore it. But if you are gonna make a reply and challenge a persons comments then be prepared for a bit of backlash.

If you feel you can't hold your own then don't give an opinion and keep well out of it.

I for one enjoy some of the flamewars that go on but never get involved unless it is a subject i know what i am talking about.

As you can see from my post count,there's not a lot i do know about http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Beuf_Ninja
11-03-2006, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Beuf_Ninja:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Da_Godfatha:

Wrong, and Double Wrong ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

EVERY person on this planet has the RIGHT of FREE SPEECH..... no matter where they live. That is a Human Right no Goverment or Mod can take away. Please read the United Nations Charter. There are certain Human Rights that every Man, Woman, Child, of EVERY Race or Religion have. And no European Company can take that away.


Originally posted by BearCat(Forum Mod)

While it is true that we all are free to not participate in any post in this forum, if you DO choose to participate in ANY post here you must adhere to certain guidelines. There is no free speech on this forum.

You see this is Ubisofts house and they decide what's Free. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Interesting.... as much as we talk about freedom of speech... quiet a few people dont really know what it is... for them it`s bashing other countries, people, name calling...etc. Freedom of speech is something else. Needless to say, that for some reason, some people ignore most of the ground rules on this forum. No politics, religion, etc etc. Are those violation of freedom of speech too? I think some people need to remember where they are and what is this forum and community is all about. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think you got the wrong idea of what I was trying to convey, I fully support Ubisoft (and their appointed officials) right to make the rules in their own house.
Like F6_Ace put it, if you came into my house and curled down a biscuit you'd get banned for much longer than a week http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
This forum reflects on Ubisoft and therefore they have the right to decide what's acceptable use of this free service. My opinion is that the Mods do a fine job of "walking the wire" keeping this place fun and free of fecal matter. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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heywooood
11-03-2006, 10:06 PM
see what happens when 'two weeks' goes by?


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mynameisroland
11-04-2006, 06:33 AM
Originally posted by steve5539:
As you can see from my post count,there's not a lot i do know about http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

This topic included it seems http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Old_Canuck
11-04-2006, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99 .... Now get back in line mister.. OR ELSE. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

....

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Feathered_IV
11-04-2006, 08:40 PM
Originally posted by F6_Ace:
You might think that it's a human right to take a dump anywhere. After all, that's what animals think is ok (and we are animals).

But, if someone took a dump on your car roof (or strolled into your bedroom and did a giant log), godfatha, you may well have something to say about the right not extending to your property.



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heywooood
11-04-2006, 10:01 PM
I'm with Lincoln http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif lol<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Da_Godfatha
11-05-2006, 05:20 AM
@ the Mods, did I do any name calling? No, I know my Freedom of Speech ends when I start to insult somebody. To the poster with the "dumping on the lawn" statement... Was soll das? I never said I had the right to dump on your lawn, car, house ..... insert item here.

This is a private forum ran by Ubi. They still CAN NOT deny me my Freedom of Speech, what they can do is;

1. Ban me
2. Delete my posts
3. Tell me to F*ck-Off and don't buy our Products any more
4. Cancel my account

For those of you who don't believe in the Freedom of Speech, I am sure that North Korea or Iran or Cuba has room for you do go there.

Geeze fellas..... get a grip....this place will always be a Ubi-Zoo. And just when I thought it was getting better... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

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BiscuitKnight
11-05-2006, 05:27 AM
Uh, Da_Godfatha, what they're saying is, Freedom of Expression doesn't exist here. While in many countries you have Freedom of Expresion to do many things, on Ubisoft's forums you are bound by an ethical code that if breached means you are banned from the site. You cannot say "But the UN Charter Garuntees me freedom of expression!" because Freedom of Expression does not mean you can use these forums in a manner not intended by Ubisoft.

Freedom of Expression does mean you can make a site called "Da_Godfatha hates teh boosh!" or anything else and the government cannot stop you. Similarly, in nature of protest, you can burn the flag or write an essay about Bush.

However, even then, you are restricted: slander and defamation (sp?) of character is still not allowed, and you cannot engage in acts of murder, rape, paedophilia or theft, etc, in nature of protest.

Point being, this being a privately owned site, Freedom of Speech does not apply to it.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Da_Godfatha
11-05-2006, 05:32 AM
@BiscuitKnight, I do agree with alot you are saying..... at no time did I insult, call for murder, rape, etc. I am just saying that Freedom of Expression is a right everyone has (within certan bounds). I do see I am on a losing path here. Many posters on this thread have good points....others....wellll?

Nuff said..... Mods please close this topic.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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raaaid
11-05-2006, 05:52 AM
take my case for example i have nowhere to discuss my ideas on physics but here, no freedom

im really surprised to not have got banned here and im very thankfull because of that, mainly because im myself

i dont mind my posts getting locked, in fact most of the times i wish they get locked

i may turn this into ubizoo but moderators maybe because of what the game is about(axis vs allies) appreciate freedom of speech

you cant imagine how helpfull this forum is for me, a place where i can discuss my worries without consequences

ive also noticed that when i post something where people can help me mods let it open, thanks again i see they care for people

on the other hand though i turn this forum into ubizoo i never attack anybody though im usually attacked

in fact im so thankfull to this forum that i decided long ago not to pirate oleg products any more

this is a goddamm nice comunity http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Philipscdrw
11-05-2006, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by Da_Godfatha:
@BiscuitKnight, I do agree with alot you are saying..... at no time did I insult, call for murder, rape, etc. I am just saying that Freedom of Expression is a right everyone has (within certan bounds). I do see I am on a losing path here. Many posters on this thread have good points....others....wellll?

Nuff said..... Mods please close this topic.
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