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Daiichidoku
09-09-2004, 11:17 AM
WHen I'm in a df server, and faced with a few different types of enemy, or actually there is a type or types in an offence position against me, I pick which one is the most threatening and use that as my focus for evasion and counter-attack...depending on all sorts of criteria, of course, but I find myself dismissing the P51 more often than not...

Just curious as to others opinions in this regard...

I worry when I see a Ki84C Spitfire 109K or late G on my @ss...but I never, ever sweat a P51

Daiichidoku
09-09-2004, 11:17 AM
WHen I'm in a df server, and faced with a few different types of enemy, or actually there is a type or types in an offence position against me, I pick which one is the most threatening and use that as my focus for evasion and counter-attack...depending on all sorts of criteria, of course, but I find myself dismissing the P51 more often than not...

Just curious as to others opinions in this regard...

I worry when I see a Ki84C Spitfire 109K or late G on my @ss...but I never, ever sweat a P51

El Turo
09-09-2004, 11:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Which fighter worries you the least in FB?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The one with the least energy.



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Covino
09-09-2004, 11:24 AM
I think the 190 gives me the least trouble (not including biplanes and other rare online planes). I mean, what's he gonna do? Out-roll me? Pfft!

El Turo
09-09-2004, 11:27 AM
The only consistent problem I have with fw190's online is the flop-warp-roll thing they seem to do so well. Dang near impossible to line up a solid firing opportunity and you almost have to just spray and pray that you hit something vital. It is as though the rate of roll is too fast for the game to keep up with and report accurately/smoothly, even if both parties are on DSL/Cable with a low ping.

Very annoying.

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robban75
09-09-2004, 11:28 AM
I hate to say it, but going up against another Fw 190 is not really scary! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

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crazyivan1970
09-09-2004, 11:30 AM
Don`t care much about planes... but sure do about those who`s behind the "wheel"

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Fritzofn
09-09-2004, 11:31 AM
if im in a Zero or KI, my leats problems is LA or Spitfire or Mustang.

If i'm in a P38, my leats problems i s KI or 109,

i hate anoying pilot's, like a spitfire jugger, hanging on my 6, wasting like...all amount of ammo, and only to get a lucky Pilot kill on KI


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Hawk_9th
09-09-2004, 11:35 AM
The one in my gunsite on fire. Ok really that is a tuff question to anwser but just taking a stab at it the bf 110 in the early years and any jet or rocket planes in late years. I say that because it takes a skilled pilot to down you with one of those birds if you know their there.

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JorBR
09-09-2004, 12:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Don`t care much about planes... but sure do about those who`s behind the "wheel"

V!
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RedDeth
09-09-2004, 12:09 PM
this should be a no brainer for everyone. discounting the early year planes the ZERO both models are too slow to be any threat at all in most any plane.

just stay fast and they are helpless to attack.

P-51 is a dangerous plane unless its someone who is less skilled flying it or who doesnt normally fly it.

zero is least threatening.

second is probably yaks because they are not exceedingly fast and cant dive horribly well. and up high they are no good.

third least worrisome should be the dora as they HAVE to stay fast and dont normally manuever like most planes. the jug is actually a much more dangerous b an z plane than dora cuz it rarely misses with all those 50s.

most dangerous all around planes? Spit 9. great low great high great turn great guns. most dangerous plane.

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2004, 12:50 PM
*Magic* guns, you should say. Spits with cannon are the closest things to heat-seeking missiles I've yet seen.

Instant, automatic oil hits and canopy holes almost EVERY TIME.

Intruder_GP
09-09-2004, 01:06 PM
As Ivan said its not the plane that concerns me its the Pilot who is in it at that point of time

F19_Ob
09-09-2004, 01:12 PM
Depends much on what plane I'm sitting in.

I often sit in il-2's or bf110's and most planes seem pretty daunting when u are in one of those, but I talk myself into that I can do anything they do better, and that seems to work 10% of the time. 90% of the time I see them gaining on me, but I still try to prove me wrong, and drop some bomblets over their heads.(worked twice today).

Still.....most of the time I dive and scream like a little schoolgirl, wich works too.
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LStarosta
09-09-2004, 01:45 PM
It's a bad choice to judge someone based on the plane they're flying...

Judge them more on their energy level and you'll find yourself killing more, and chute-hanging less.

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Resident_Jock
09-09-2004, 02:07 PM
I don't really have a problem fighting anything unless it's a Ta-152 or when the entire luftwaffe tries to have a go at me. Often I'll be running for home with 3 109s and 5 190's on my six, blasting futilely at my Jug :P

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Red_Russian13
09-09-2004, 02:13 PM
I'd hate to tell you guys this, but if I were you, I'd be worried LESS about any fighter you see with the name "Red Russian" above it. Doesn't matter which type...

That just goes to the notion that nearly any fighter can be deadly (or the exact opposite) with the right pilot at the stick.

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Bearcat99
09-09-2004, 02:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hawk_9th:
The one in my gunsite on fire.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That quote just about sums it up for me. I can take down any plane in FB in a P-47 when offline so that proves to me it can be done. I dont sweat planes... its pilots I worry about.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif I dont count anyone out till they are out.

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Maj_Death
09-09-2004, 02:21 PM
Any plane below 4000m at initial contact unless it is a bipe or a bomber, in which case they probebly have a trick up their sleeve.

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VW-IceFire
09-09-2004, 03:13 PM
Depends on context.

I fear the La-7 the most and I worry the least about bi-planes...but thats considering I'm flying a 1942-45 aircraft.

Any of the bi-planes you can pretty much ignore (except on takeoff) and stay high or fast to beat them.

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Chuck_Older
09-09-2004, 03:35 PM
"Which fighter worries you the least in FB?"

easy. My AI wingman

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Maple_Tiger
09-09-2004, 03:51 PM
The Gladiator worries me the least of all fighter planes.

Any late war fighter plane, flown the way it should, scares the crapp out of me.

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09-09-2004, 04:43 PM
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p1ngu666
09-09-2004, 04:56 PM
109/p38
2 planes u need tobe expertan todo well
ofcourse if there good pilots, your in for a tough time
hm a b1/he162 also are lacking firepower, very fast, but hard to use

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LEXX_Luthor
09-09-2004, 07:36 PM
Daiichidoku:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>WHen I'm in a df server,...I find myself dismissing the P~51 more often than not...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
On 1000km wide dogfight map, dismiss all FB fighters except P~51, and....

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ImpStarDuece
09-10-2004, 12:15 AM
The one thats in my gunsites.

The one that worries me most is the one in my mirror.

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TheGozr
09-10-2004, 12:30 AM
I would say any US or Britts planes .

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WUAF_Badsight
09-10-2004, 01:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheGozr:
I would say any US or Britts planes .

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i would say . . . . . . yea right !

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WUAF_Badsight
09-10-2004, 01:45 AM
which fighter worries me the least ?

depends of the years mix doesnt it ?

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TheGozr
09-10-2004, 01:51 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Nope even the years doesn't matter I still say Britts and US planes... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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tfu_iain1
09-10-2004, 02:19 AM
I'd say any plane flown by a pilot who won't quit even if it kills him, you know the type

thats the most irritating type of pilot certainly, he's in an LA or a spit or a KI and he doesnt quit, even if by taking me down he's unlikely to make it back to base (bleeds all his energy, and mine, chasing me across the map back to my base. specially on servers that count the number of planes/pilots on both sides)

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WOLFMondo
09-10-2004, 02:35 AM
Zero's. They worry me the least. Yes, if the pilot is good then your in for a hardfight but generally everything else is faster than them.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
109/p38
2 planes u need tobe expertan todo well
ofcourse if there good pilots, your in for a tough time
hm a b1/he162 also are lacking firepower, very fast, but hard to use
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The P38 does and doesn't scare me. If I see one trying to bounce or follow me and I roll and dive and they follow im not worried, they usually hit the floor very fast or try to airbrake out of it, its when the don't dive and just wait to see what I do I worry. Its really down to the person in the plane.

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weasel75
09-10-2004, 05:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
easy. My AI wingman<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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NorrisMcWhirter
09-10-2004, 06:48 AM
Hi,

A 190 or P47 with someone who doesn't know what they're doing. i.e. low with no energy.

It's only a matter of time before you get it.

P38s don't worry me too much, either, but I suppose I've yet to find one flown well.

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09-10-2004, 06:57 AM
P.11, biplanes and all the low and slow **** aircraft http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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09-10-2004, 07:06 AM
I'd have to agree with earlier posts. I try not to take any plane lightly, but It's the pilot I'm more concerned with.


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The_Gnat
09-10-2004, 07:21 AM
Anyone in any plane that is a worse pilot than I. But that scenario rarely happens. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif When it comes to dogfighting, it seems I`m a big taker, and not a giver. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif

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mynameisroland
09-10-2004, 09:58 AM
Relating to the comments made about the FW190

I play on a server where there are no icons turned on and there are realistic plane sets on so you will have a yak 3 vs 190 A8 or a SPit IX vs an 190 A6 on these servers the 190 is unbeatable if flown correctly.

With a flight of two or more Fw190's covering each other flying energy tactics other planes dont pose much of a threat. The 190 can out run most other planes and its armament in the A series is second to none. I used to be a BF 109 addict but since flying on more realistic settings where you are not in a massive furball all of the time i find that when diving on to a plane or flying over 450- 500k the controls are too stiff to maneuver quickly. The FW190's controls at these speeds really comes alive and few if any planes can emulated its high speed control.

Least threatening planes I encounter are Mustangs and P38 Lightnings ( oh Thunderbolts as well)

There weapons are very effective but they tend to be misflown and they do not have great turning abilities or acceleration. They really need to be flown with E but often they are found down low and slow turning circles.

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09-10-2004, 10:03 AM
The least dangerous plane to the 190 is anything slow, the slower, the less dangerous.

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Von_Rat
09-10-2004, 11:34 AM
of the better planes in the game spit9 is least dangerous to me,, i usually run if at a disadvantage. unless im low and slow spit9s wont catch me.,,,,, usually, lol.

DangerForward
09-10-2004, 03:04 PM
I'd say the P39 worries me the least. It's pretty easy to break off contact with as it's not that fast. From personal experience the big gun on it is really hard to deflection shoot with too.(atleast I've never mastered it)

What drives me crazy...P40 field mod! arrghhh!

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LeadSpitter_
09-10-2004, 11:44 PM
I would have to say the spit mustang p40 and p38 when i fly german in the 109 models with the exception of the 109E. With the 109e then even the hurricane is scarey i153 i16 and especially the the 41 spits are scarey

When flying russian nothing at all worries me except ai gunners and some of the better g2 pilots who do the trottle back mid air stop almost. then super accelaration we all know it and do it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

p11 in some of the greatergreen maps vs the i153 they can shoot you for minutes and your fine.

The zeke is a great plane and very effective. The most stable gun platform for some reason in game.

when i fly a 190 everything worries me unless I have a huge alt advantage and Im able to keep my speed up.

so id have to say the p11 109e and p38 for the least worry.

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p1ngu666
09-11-2004, 02:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by faustnik:
The least dangerous plane to the 190 is anything slow, the slower, the less dangerous.

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wait till a i153 driver bangs his biplane round in a blink of a eye and shoots u in the engine/face http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Zjoek
09-11-2004, 03:20 AM
Well, I think "The pilot!" is a wrong answer, in my opinion. See, if a cloud of enemies is flying towards you (or vice versa), you don't know which pilot is the best, so I assume they all know what they're doing. Then it comes down to which plane is best http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Least? Erm.. every plane at least 1000m below me.
Most? Every plane at co-alt or higher. Especially russian ones.
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Franzen
09-11-2004, 06:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JorBR:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Don`t care much about planes... but sure do about those who`s behind the "wheel"

V!
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Very safe way of thinking.

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Franzen
09-11-2004, 06:14 AM
I'd have to say, more often the Spitfire worries me the least. I fly 190 G2 and 190A4 online and love to shoot down the Spitfires. I don't blame the a/c totally cause if I have to fly allied I always take an early Spit and have a lot of success. I figure the pilots that are choosing to fly the Spits are usually not that good.

The plane that worries me the most is the Yak. I can kill them but I think they are the hardest. They turn well and can take a lot of hits and are quite often the choice of the better pilots.

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Heavy_Weather
09-11-2004, 07:22 AM
the TB-3. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

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AlexDavies
09-11-2004, 07:33 AM
it does say 'fighter'

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