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XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 10:52 PM
dozens of "Experten" on UBI com fought ferociously over the correct naming of the 109 - Now I wanted to know and looked it up - in the "Grosser Brockhaus" something like the Enciclopedia Britannica .

OK to whom it may concern - here it is (I shortened it a little bit):

Willy Messerschmitt was born in 1898 and established in 1923 (at the age of 25 !!!) the Messerschmitt-Flugzeugbau-Gesellschaft, which was merged in 1927 with the Bayerische Flugzeugwerke AG and renamed in 1938 in Messerschmitt AG.

He constructed in 1934 the BF108 Taifun (Typhoon) and the BF109 Fighter

This was built as Me109 until the end of the war.

So - all planes constructed and built before 1934 are called BF109 (eg those in service of the legion Condor in `36) and all constructed and built after 1934 are called Me109, which means

Bf 109 A0 to E

but Me109 F to K

funny eh? In fact in many official german letters of the ministry of the Luftwaffe they also do mix the names Bf and Me up - so it doesn`t matter that much


Just for Info, the company was called Messerschmidt B├┬Âlkow Blohm (MBB) since 1969 and is since 1988 Part of Daimler (Chrysler) just like Dornier, Fokker, MTU, AEG and Junkers (Focke Wulf doesn`t exist any more) Those are today the German Branch of EADS (Tornado, UHU, Eurofighter etc..)

Willy Messerschmit died in 1978

Henrich Focke (+1979) was Professor in a University after the War and Kurt Tank
(+1983) built Supersonicfighters in Argentina (47-55) and India (56-67)


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XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 10:52 PM
dozens of "Experten" on UBI com fought ferociously over the correct naming of the 109 - Now I wanted to know and looked it up - in the "Grosser Brockhaus" something like the Enciclopedia Britannica .

OK to whom it may concern - here it is (I shortened it a little bit):

Willy Messerschmitt was born in 1898 and established in 1923 (at the age of 25 !!!) the Messerschmitt-Flugzeugbau-Gesellschaft, which was merged in 1927 with the Bayerische Flugzeugwerke AG and renamed in 1938 in Messerschmitt AG.

He constructed in 1934 the BF108 Taifun (Typhoon) and the BF109 Fighter

This was built as Me109 until the end of the war.

So - all planes constructed and built before 1934 are called BF109 (eg those in service of the legion Condor in `36) and all constructed and built after 1934 are called Me109, which means

Bf 109 A0 to E

but Me109 F to K

funny eh? In fact in many official german letters of the ministry of the Luftwaffe they also do mix the names Bf and Me up - so it doesn`t matter that much


Just for Info, the company was called Messerschmidt B├┬Âlkow Blohm (MBB) since 1969 and is since 1988 Part of Daimler (Chrysler) just like Dornier, Fokker, MTU, AEG and Junkers (Focke Wulf doesn`t exist any more) Those are today the German Branch of EADS (Tornado, UHU, Eurofighter etc..)

Willy Messerschmit died in 1978

Henrich Focke (+1979) was Professor in a University after the War and Kurt Tank
(+1983) built Supersonicfighters in Argentina (47-55) and India (56-67)


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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 12:11 AM
the 109 was always Bf109. the use of 'Me' was and is incorrect. :P


"While the evolution of the Bf 109 was in progress, there was also a significant change at BFW. The fighter had given Willy Messerschmidt international recognition, and so the RLM suggested that BFW could improve its international recognition by changing its name to Messerschmidt AG.
Aircraft already in production by BFW would retain the "Bf" designation for the rest of their careers, but all new aircraft from the company would have the "Me" designation"

http://www.skalman.nu/third-reich/equipment-air-messerschmitt-109.htm

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 12:45 AM
Actually, you are both wrong...

We've had this discussion NUMEROUS times on this board.

The name is in fact interchangeable. There is hard evidence that the Germans used BOTH terms, and constantly interchanged this in their own documentation. It did begin AFTER Willy got on board, but BOTH terms were used and BOTH terms are correct.

Check out this link and go to the "Articles" Section, and the Me/Bf explanation.

http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/index800.htm

http://ca.geocities.com/mikiebactor/myme.jpg

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 05:47 PM
Hiya ptefuller,

Just a question, your opinion please.....

Do all such things have to be either ABSOLUTELY correct or ABSOLUTELY incorrect - or, to put it another way, do you think it is possible to have DIFFERENT DEGREES of correctness?

Best regards,
panther3485

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 06:23 PM
Absolutely and in case you didnt know

The famous car manufacturer BMW's badge is meant to symbolize the propeller of an airplane because the main job of the BMW factory was manufacturing aeroplane engines (as well as motorbikes).

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Message Edited on 08/18/0305:24PM by Taylortony