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sparty7200
03-24-2006, 03:46 AM

ElAurens
03-24-2006, 05:37 AM
I am for any additions to the early plane sets.

I am rather bored with all the late uber planes.

JG52Uther
03-24-2006, 05:50 AM
Well I voted yes of course, but I thought the Fokker was done anyway? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

russ.nl
03-24-2006, 06:40 AM
I can't wait to have that plane, I also want the CW-21b. I know it's been moddeled.

Skyraider3D
03-24-2006, 06:42 AM
Originally posted by russ.nl:
I can't wait to have that plane, I also want the CW-21b. I know it's been moddeled. Amen!

sparty7200
03-24-2006, 06:47 AM
Originally posted by JG52Uther:
Well I voted yes of course, but I thought the Fokker was done anyway? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

I believe it has been modeled and finished but there seems to be a doubt as to it's inclusion in-game .. http://www.simhq.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_top...t=001108;p=11#000358 (http://www.simhq.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=144;t=001108;p=11#0 00358) that is why i have asked for an opinion and vote to see wether it is an issue of desireability by the community..eg ( The PE2 addon for western market vote)..who knows? it may tip the balance in favour of it getting in.

sparty

aukieboy
03-24-2006, 06:51 AM
This plane was used during the first stages in the winterwar by the Fins (I guess I'm right) which means we can finally create a campaign covering this battle... sofar we have no real proper planes for this purpose, at least not for the first month of the battle... so:
Yes we sure wanna have this one!

Aero_Shodanjo
03-24-2006, 07:23 AM
CW-21b for me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

And Martin Bomber http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

HotelBushranger
03-24-2006, 07:40 AM
NOW!!!!

It can be used in Dutch campaigns, and Winter War AND Continuation War for the Finns. Hows 'at!

DuxCorvan
03-24-2006, 10:37 AM
If Ian, who works close to the dev. guys, does not see it "even in the distant horizon", we won't see it, either.

And our opinion or wishes won't change that.

You should have put this title to the thread:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/DavesWorld56/HalloweenGifs/AbandonAllHope.jpg

Sharpe26
03-24-2006, 12:29 PM
Let's see if I can't add some more votes to this.

Viikate_
03-24-2006, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
If Ian, who works close to the dev. guys, does not see it "even in the distant horizon", we won't see it, either.

And our opinion or wishes won't change that.

You should have put this title to the thread:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/DavesWorld56/HalloweenGifs/AbandonAllHope.jpg

I just talked with Oleg about this. He said that Ian doesn't know anything about the situation. It's just Ian's guess or opinion. Fokkers will be included if 1C team have time. Models are pretty much bug free and doesn't require extra work. SaQsoN checked them.

I can't give up now... I spent way over 1000h modeling and over 100‚"ö¨ for books. External was done in late 2004 so I think that there WAS time to make it as AI. Pit was done even before Tempest pit, but of course the popular planes gets done first.

Woutii
03-24-2006, 04:03 PM
hehe I would like to see the Fokker DXXI as soon as possible.. our squadron 1.JaVA is also waiting for it a very long time hehe...

So I would like to see it and btw u can make alot of new campaigns with the Fokker!

VW-IceFire
03-24-2006, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by Viikate_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
If Ian, who works close to the dev. guys, does not see it "even in the distant horizon", we won't see it, either.

And our opinion or wishes won't change that.

You should have put this title to the thread:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/DavesWorld56/HalloweenGifs/AbandonAllHope.jpg

I just talked with Oleg about this. He said that Ian doesn't know anything about the situation. It's just Ian's guess or opinion. Fokkers will be included if 1C team have time. Models are pretty much bug free and doesn't require extra work. SaQsoN checked them.

I can't give up now... I spent way over 1000h modeling and over 100‚"ö¨ for books. External was done in late 2004 so I think that there WAS time to make it as AI. Pit was done even before Tempest pit, but of course the popular planes gets done first. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thanks for the update on the aircraft!

Remember that the Tempest has been "on the books" so to speak since before AEP was released. Maybe even since before FB was released (I can't remember). So I think the team was maybe anxious to finally fulfill that aircrafts inclusion. Not to discredit or downplay the Fokker XXI either...I'm interested in seeing what happens with this plane. As I stated in the other thread..I'd be interested in producing a campaign for it should the possibility to do so arise.

Tooz_69GIAP
03-24-2006, 08:03 PM
I want the Fokker!!!

ImpStarDuece
03-24-2006, 08:10 PM
It will come when it comes.

If the model and cockpit are done, nothing we do here is really going to speed or slow down its implementation.

Honestly, I think we are like spoiled childern waiting for Christmas. As soon as we open our presents, we play with them for a while, get bored and start demanding new stuff for our upcoming birthday.

Platypus_1.JaVA
03-25-2006, 12:50 AM
IIRC The Fokker D.XXI is allready in the pipeline for release. However, we all know Maddox games. Yes? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

HotelBushranger
03-25-2006, 01:56 AM
Man, you know you've got issues when you start dreaming about Il2 planes in your dreams http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

F19_Olli72
03-25-2006, 05:36 AM
Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
Man, you know you've got issues when you start dreaming about Il2 planes in your dreams http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

No, thats perfectly normal.

Sturm_Williger
03-25-2006, 05:43 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

Quite normal, I agree ( 'course I'm dreaming about Ki-27, but Fokker will also be awesome to have )

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

HotelBushranger
03-25-2006, 06:41 AM
Haha I had a dream last night. I was flying a B-24 on externals when I saw a Fokker and another plane on dispersal, I dropped some bombs on it but they didn't do nothin. I remember thinki 'Theres somethin wrong with the DM on that one' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

F19_Orheim
03-25-2006, 07:42 AM
Originally posted by Viikate_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
If Ian, who works close to the dev. guys, does not see it "even in the distant horizon", we won't see it, either.

And our opinion or wishes won't change that.

You should have put this title to the thread:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/DavesWorld56/HalloweenGifs/AbandonAllHope.jpg

I just talked with Oleg about this. He said that Ian doesn't know anything about the situation. It's just Ian's guess or opinion. Fokkers will be included if 1C team have time. Models are pretty much bug free and doesn't require extra work. SaQsoN checked them.

I can't give up now... I spent way over 1000h modeling and over 100‚"ö¨ for books. External was done in late 2004 so I think that there WAS time to make it as AI. Pit was done even before Tempest pit, but of course the popular planes gets done first. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

the game, the plane and YOU mate deserves it.... I won't stop hoping either. This is actually the nr 1 missed plane in my book...

F19_Orheim
03-25-2006, 07:44 AM
Originally posted by F19_Olli72:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
Man, you know you've got issues when you start dreaming about Il2 planes in your dreams http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

No, thats perfectly normal. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thank you Doc, now I now I am normal;D

HotelBushranger
03-25-2006, 09:43 AM
I'm sure half the community can breathe easy now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

GerritJ9
03-25-2006, 10:21 AM
Definitely on my "Top Five Desirables" list!!!!!!!!!!
Together with CW-21B, Ki.27, Ki.21 and B-339D (or Glenn Martin 139/166).

HotelBushranger
03-25-2006, 10:25 AM
Fokker and SM 79 are my top 2!

VW-IceFire
03-25-2006, 10:27 AM
Out of curiosity...do we have pictures of what the finished cockpit looks like?

HotelBushranger
03-25-2006, 10:46 AM
Ask Viikate http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

That reminds me: I was googling Fokker stuff when I found a mod for OpF or Bf 1942 or some such, with a Fokker D-XX1. Imagine my surprise and mirth when it was done by none other than our Viikate http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Ugly_Kid
03-25-2006, 11:22 AM
It would be indeed a very nice add-on, one pretty meaningfull one - maybe there would be online winter war one day or something cute. One can only hope, miss MS.406 and Hawk-75 too.

Unfortunate part is probably that FK 4x7.62 mm will never down 5 SB-2 like Jorma Sarvanto did within 5 minutes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif - I doubt it will do even one in...I still love these **** planes, nevertheless - DF server no beer of mine...

Skyraider3D
03-25-2006, 11:51 AM
Originally posted by Viikate_:I spent way over 1000h modeling and over 100‚"ö¨ for books. External was done in late 2004 so I think that there WAS time to make it as AI. Pit was done even before Tempest pit, but of course the popular planes gets done first.
I've been asked numerous time to model planes for IL-2/PF and this is precisely the reason I haven't. Well this and the fact I simply don't have the time! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Viikate_
03-26-2006, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Remember that the Tempest has been "on the books" so to speak since before AEP was released. Maybe even since before FB was released (I can't remember).

Fokker was listed as possible AI plane for FB. Can't remember who was doing it back then.
http://int.games.1c.ru/il2_forgotten_battles/
No Tempest mentioned. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

VW-IceFire
03-26-2006, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by Viikate_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Remember that the Tempest has been "on the books" so to speak since before AEP was released. Maybe even since before FB was released (I can't remember).

Fokker was listed as possible AI plane for FB. Can't remember who was doing it back then.
http://int.games.1c.ru/il2_forgotten_battles/
No Tempest mentioned. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The development updates appeared with a Tempest around that time. Probably not enough to be listed there...

Its interesting nonetheless. Like I said...I don't want to be negative about this either. I waited a long time for the Tempest...I'm pleased to see it here now...and I empathize heavily with anyone else in their aircraft interests as well. The Fokker is interesting to me...enough so that I think I'd be interested in doing a campaign with it after my current plans are completed.

LeOs.K_Walstein
03-26-2006, 04:23 PM
I voted "ASAP".

Wallstein

Viikate_
03-27-2006, 03:16 AM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
The Fokker is interesting to me...enough so that I think I'd be interested in doing a campaign with it after my current plans are completed.

That's good to hear because I suck with FMB. If we get the plane, I can provide you with "few" historical skins. About 70 skins should be enough, right? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

HotelBushranger
03-27-2006, 06:00 AM
And I have a few profiles to give http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

HotelBushranger
03-27-2006, 06:14 AM
Also, has ammunition been sorted out? What sort of tracer round? As I said ages ago, I think the best suiting would be the Russian green tracers. Gladiator red ones wouldn't do justice to it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

Viikate_
03-27-2006, 10:00 AM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Out of curiosity...do we have pictures of what the finished cockpit looks like?

Here's few renders:

http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/~viikate/DXXI_pit_panel.jpg (http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/%7Eviikate/DXXI_pit_panel.jpg)
http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/~viikate/DXXI_pit_front_down.jpg (http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/%7Eviikate/DXXI_pit_front_down.jpg)
http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/~viikate/DXXI_pit_front.jpg (http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/%7Eviikate/DXXI_pit_front.jpg)
http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/~viikate/DXXI_pit_left.jpg (http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/%7Eviikate/DXXI_pit_left.jpg)
http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/~viikate/DXXI_pit_right.jpg (http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/%7Eviikate/DXXI_pit_right.jpg)
http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/~viikate/DXXI_pit_rear.jpg (http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/%7Eviikate/DXXI_pit_rear.jpg)
http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/~viikate/DXXI_pit_raised_seat_damage.jpg (http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/%7Eviikate/DXXI_pit_raised_seat_damage.jpg)
http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/~viikate/DXXI_pit_rear_up.jpg (http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/%7Eviikate/DXXI_pit_rear_up.jpg)
http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/~viikate/DXXI_pit_panel_center.jpg (http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/%7Eviikate/DXXI_pit_panel_center.jpg)
http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/~viikate/DXXI_pit_panel_left.jpg (http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/%7Eviikate/DXXI_pit_panel_left.jpg)
http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/~viikate/DXXI_pit_panel_right.jpg (http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/%7Eviikate/DXXI_pit_panel_right.jpg)

That pretty much covers it all...

Viikate_
03-27-2006, 10:09 AM
oh cr@p... camera was at the wrong place in every render. That's why they look so wierd.

HotelBushranger
03-28-2006, 06:20 AM
They look beautiful http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif <sniff>

By looking at one of the pics, does this mean we're able to raise the seat?

Also, does the Revi gunsight make an appearance? As they were Wasp Fokkers (which I think we're getting flyable - Finn4_Late?), they really should be in there http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Top hole job nonetheless http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

russ.nl
03-28-2006, 06:48 AM
OMG that pit is beautiful http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif I had seen some pics but not this many before. The detail is unbeleveble.
There is only a finnish pit right?

Viikate_
03-29-2006, 01:35 AM
Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
By looking at one of the pics, does this mean we're able to raise the seat?

Also, does the Revi gunsight make an appearance? As they were Wasp Fokkers (which I think we're getting flyable - Finn4_Late?), they really should be in there http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif


Raised seat camera position is modelled, but i think this won't be implemented because it's somehow bind to the opened canopy thingy...

No Revi, no flyable Wasp Fokker... we're lucky if we get any Fokker, even AI. It's been a hard road for this cr@ppy little plane...

Some crazy guy really wanted to keep this model out of the game, even making death threads to Luther and/or Oleg. Just insane... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Serval posted about this crazy situation about year ago at another forum. I hope this is not the reason why Fokker is not even AI now.

HotelBushranger
03-29-2006, 03:03 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

No way! Already had a **** day, now this!!! NO WASP?!?!?! What the hell!!!

Whoever's responsible for this must pay http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

F19_Olli72
03-29-2006, 03:57 AM
Originally posted by Viikate_:
Some crazy guy really wanted to keep this model out of the game, even making death threads to Luther and/or Oleg. Just insane... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Serval posted about this crazy situation about year ago at another forum. I hope this is not the reason why Fokker is not even AI now.
Say what? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

HotelBushranger
03-29-2006, 06:16 AM
This is getting pretty serious, I think Oleg should really clear this up once and for all.

Tooz_69GIAP
03-29-2006, 06:36 AM
Someone was giving death threats to stop this model being included??? That's just a wee bit on the mental side, methinks!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

Viikate_
03-29-2006, 06:48 AM
Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
Someone was giving death threats to stop this model being included??? That's just a wee bit on the mental side, methinks!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

I can't remember how this story went... Maybe the guy was some ex-modeller. I think it was the same guy who gave Serval hard time. Propably just a kid or very immature person. I bet Oleg/Luther didn't take his threats too seriously.

HotelBushranger
03-29-2006, 07:29 AM
I damn well hope not http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

MarcusaQ
03-29-2006, 02:46 PM
A flyable Fokker would definitely bring life to Winter war maps as it was a legendary plane in that conflict. Now the blue planeset is restricted to Gladiator and Fiat G50. I really hope that it will be included in future patches.

The pictures looked absolutely great, Viikate!

VW-IceFire
03-29-2006, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by Viikate_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Out of curiosity...do we have pictures of what the finished cockpit looks like?

Here's few renders:

http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/~viikate/DXXI_pit_panel.jpg (http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/%7Eviikate/DXXI_pit_panel.jpg)
http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/~viikate/DXXI_pit_front_down.jpg (http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/%7Eviikate/DXXI_pit_front_down.jpg)
http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/~viikate/DXXI_pit_front.jpg (http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/%7Eviikate/DXXI_pit_front.jpg)
http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/~viikate/DXXI_pit_left.jpg (http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/%7Eviikate/DXXI_pit_left.jpg)
http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/~viikate/DXXI_pit_right.jpg (http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/%7Eviikate/DXXI_pit_right.jpg)
http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/~viikate/DXXI_pit_rear.jpg (http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/%7Eviikate/DXXI_pit_rear.jpg)
http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/~viikate/DXXI_pit_raised_seat_damage.jpg (http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/%7Eviikate/DXXI_pit_raised_seat_damage.jpg)
http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/~viikate/DXXI_pit_rear_up.jpg (http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/%7Eviikate/DXXI_pit_rear_up.jpg)
http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/~viikate/DXXI_pit_panel_center.jpg (http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/%7Eviikate/DXXI_pit_panel_center.jpg)
http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/~viikate/DXXI_pit_panel_left.jpg (http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/%7Eviikate/DXXI_pit_panel_left.jpg)
http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/~viikate/DXXI_pit_panel_right.jpg (http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/%7Eviikate/DXXI_pit_panel_right.jpg)

That pretty much covers it all... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thanks for posting those pictures. The cockpit looks very well done indeed. I was going to ask if its was going to be the revi or the telescopic sight but that answers that. So its not the Wasp version but the original engine version? If I'm not mistaken, the Wasp version was actually slower in top speeds?

HotelBushranger
03-30-2006, 02:00 AM
Yep. The cockpit Viikate made (http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif) is for the Mercury engine Fokker, i.e. the first one. The Finns made licensed Wasp engines for use in their Blenhiems, and they stuck em into Fokkers as well, which needed a fuselage redesign. Also, it had self sealing tanks and armour added which reduced the speed from the already underpowered engine.
But it looks just as purdy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

GerritJ9
03-30-2006, 03:23 AM
Both D.XXI and Blenheims used the Mercury and Finland had a licence to produce the Mercury. However, all their Mercury production capacity was required for the Blenheims (also built under licence) so they were forced to switch to another engine for the D.XXI, hence the Wasp version. The Finns achieved some quite interesting re-enginings, not only the Wasp-Fokker, but also the Morko-Morranni which was an MS406 with a Russian Klimov engine. Strange, though, that they never attempted to re-engine the Brewster when spares for the Cyclones ran low. BMW 132Ks could have been obtained from Germany and there was a version with methanol-water injection rated at 1200 hp for take-off which was used on the FW200. A 1200 hp B-239 would have given a new lease of life to an already legendary aeroplane!
Plus, using the 132K for the D.XXI may have required less redesign than the Wasp did.

HotelBushranger
03-30-2006, 05:05 AM
These things happen http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

However, there were trials for re-engining B-239's:
"1/LeLv 24 Brewster BW-371 is serviced at Suulajarni in June 1943. The aircraft boasts a captured Russian 1000hp M-63 engine which was fitted for trial purposes, although this was soon replaced by a trusty Cyclone unit."

From Finnish Aces of World War II, Stenmand and Keskinen.

Viikate_
03-30-2006, 05:07 AM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
If I'm not mistaken, the Wasp version was actually slower in top speeds?

That's correct mate... but I recall that some sources indicated that Wasp Fokkers were slightly faster at sea level than Mercury Fokkers.

Here's some FM data and other pics: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/45410763/m/6761076862/p/3

Hurri-Khan
03-30-2006, 05:40 AM
Originally posted by GerritJ9:
Strange, though, that they never attempted to re-engine the Brewster when spares for the Cyclones ran low. BMW 132Ks could have been obtained from Germany and there was a version with methanol-water injection rated at 1200 hp for take-off which was used on the FW200. A 1200 hp B-239 would have given a new lease of life to an already legendary aeroplane!
Plus, using the 132K for the D.XXI may have required less redesign than the Wasp did.

Sure they tried, FAF installed Shvetsov M-62/63's for few brewsters ( 5 or so flew operational flights ) but they didn't work well with that airframe. I recall the problem was with supercharger and reliability of starter.

They also tried to buy engines from captured dutch brewsters from germans, but the newer model would require longer fuselage and lots of redesigning.

Germans weren't very earger to sell their never stuff (needed them allhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif), and there wouldn't have been any repair capabilities in finland..
If I recall right, germans never even sold technical drawings and manuals for complete overhauling of DB605's, that were used in 109G's.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

>>>-H-K-->

MarcusaQ
03-30-2006, 06:18 AM
A brief comment on the Germans: Hitler's Germany was very unwilling to assist Finland in 1939-40 because of the Germany-USSR Non-Aggression Pact in which Finland belonged to the Soviet sphere of interest. Thus Germany's attitude towards Finland was not dependent on their supply situation, but was purely a political choice.

GerritJ9
03-30-2006, 02:02 PM
The M-62 was a Russian licence-built version of the Cyclone, so this would, I suspect, have been a more or less drop-in installation. However, as correctly pointed out, reliability left a lot to be desired.
Germany did not capture any Dutch Brewsters since these were intended for the Netherlands East Indies and were never shipped to Europe. They did capture ONE Belgian B-339B in Bordeaux, still in its crates, in 1940 plus a few ex-Belgian FAA B-339Bs on Crete in May 1941, but the latter were little more than wrecks. As far as known no attempt was made to pass any of these on to the Finns.
Finally, the State Aircraft Factory in Finland was certainly capable of repair work- the Mercury-to-Wasp modification to the D.XXI, the Morkko-Moranni conversion (not to mention the Humu, plus the design and construction of the Myrsky and Py√¬∂rremyrsky) hardly suggest that "there wouldn't have been any repair capabilities in Finland." On the contrary, it shows a very skilled facility indeed- certainly one capable of fitting more powerful engines to the B-239.

Hurri-Khan
03-30-2006, 04:40 PM
I remembered wrong, only M-63 was used (further development from M-62). "BW-363, -365, -371, -374, -379 and BW-392 were fitted with Soviet Shvetshov M-63 engines and with either Russian AW-1 or Finnish Wegelius propellor. The Soviet engines were very unreliable, partially because there wasn't anykind of manuals available."

Same way the Klimov installation on m√¬∂rk√¬∂-morane was supposed to be an drop-in installation since Klimov M-105P originated from license built Hispano Suiza 12Y.. But the cooling and new armament caused some problems and the nose had to be redesigned.
Finns had already "enough" experience from these two engines since they were already in use within FAF (M-63 in I-153/I-16 and M-100 series in LaGGs, SBs & PE-2/3's)
I was thinking that BMW132 would have needed some technical help from germany, but I forgot that it was also in use! Junkers W 34hi and He-115 had those. I guess the M-63 just was closer match and cheaper http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The VL was one of the most modern aircraft factories in europe during early 30s' but during the wars it was overwhelmed by work; Manufacturing fighters and bombers. Maintaining repairing and modifying FAF fleet. Rebuilding bombers and fighters from war-booty wrecks. Designing new aircraft. Sure, it was very skilled facility, but doing too many things.

Oh, yeah the brewster engines finns tried to acquaire were indeed belgian.. my bad. But it was cancelled in planning stages. Will have to dig the details on that some day.


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HotelBushranger
03-31-2006, 01:39 AM
Can we get this back onto Fokkers please? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

GerritJ9
04-01-2006, 04:28 AM
Then there is the VL-built D.XXI fitted with a retractable undercarriage. In this they were ahead of Fokker, for although Fokker did undertake several design studies of variants with a retractable undercarriage, none were actually built. To be fair to Fokker, all work ceased on D.XXI development after May 1940 while the Finns still had several years to actively work on their D.XXIs. Other designs under consideration were variants with different engines such as the DB600 series and Merlin, different wing designs (at least one of which was actually built and tested).... but these variants would have been so markedly different that they would probably have received a different type designation- D.XXIV perhaps?

Foxtrot-Hotel
04-01-2006, 05:00 AM
The FAF Fokkers had either Vickers(Mercury) 7.7mm, or browning(wasp) 7.7mm MG's, so I guess the tracers of the gladiator would fit well... for the Dutch Fokkers you are right, 7.9mm MG's should have a little! more punch, so the may deserve other tracers...

HotelBushranger
04-01-2006, 07:15 AM
Green dammit! I would boycott red tracer Fokkers! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

Foxtrot-Hotel
04-01-2006, 07:55 AM
me not...I killed planes with every tracer(and I must say the italian guns are the weakest in game)...green tracers would be confusing, because in most battles it would be blue vs red planes, and if both sides have the same tracer color, you would never know who needs help, or is about to wreck some havoc...

HotelBushranger
04-01-2006, 08:02 AM
Ah well http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif IMO, red tracers always looked a lot slower and weaker than the green ones to me.

VW-IceFire
04-01-2006, 08:21 AM
So bearing in mind that the Fokker we're liable to get (if we do) is a Mercury powered variant...would everyone forgive if a Finnish campaign flying this aircraft were done? It wouldn't be completely accurate...but it would be done.

I can't see myself doing a long campaign about it...but maybe longer than Desperate Odds.

LeLv44_Mangrove
04-01-2006, 08:42 AM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
would everyone forgive if a Finnish campaign flying this aircraft were done?

Only if you are thinking 1940 Winter war or 1941 in the Baltic Sea. Finnish Fokkers used Wasp-engine in all other places.

Viikate_
04-01-2006, 08:45 AM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
So bearing in mind that the Fokker we're liable to get (if we do) is a Mercury powered variant...would everyone forgive if a Finnish campaign flying this aircraft were done? It wouldn't be completely accurate...but it would be done.

Why it wouldn't be accurate? Finns had 42 Mercury Fokkers. The two pits modelled represent this Fokker type.

The other pit is basicly same you already saw but with modifications that were done during Interim Peace. So this model is the Continuation War model.

Following campaign would be possible:

LLv24, fighter, Winter War
LLv32, fighter, Cont. War 25.6.41 - 7.10.41
LLv14, recon, Cont. War 1941-42
LLv12, recon, Cont. War 1941-44

Flying Fokkers in -44 would be suicide. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif They were used only in low light conditions.

Foxtrot-Hotel
04-01-2006, 09:07 AM
I'm a big fan of the FAF, and I would love to fly the first 2 possible campigns you mentioned... one reason more for me to hope that we'll get it

VW-IceFire
04-01-2006, 09:21 AM
Well...if it does come and I have finished my current plans for campaigns (Tempest and Hellcat) I will seriously look into this then. I did a 1944 campaign on this front "Red Stars" with the La-5...so now I'd like to go back and do it from the Finnish perspective early on. Use some aircraft I haven't touched for a while.

HotelBushranger
04-01-2006, 11:23 PM
I'd love a Fokker campaign http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Do you have many FAF resources Icefire?

VW-IceFire
04-02-2006, 07:53 AM
Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
I'd love a Fokker campaign http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Do you have many FAF resources Icefire?
Almost none at all. I did some very basic research in terms of what the FAF had in 1944 so I could do my Red Stars campaign. But early war stuff I would need to research.

Foxtrot-Hotel
04-02-2006, 05:18 PM
yo find pretty much about the early years of the FAF too... storries from pilots and battles, shemes for the Fokker skins, places, airfields,...there is lot's of stuff out there...

HotelBushranger
04-03-2006, 04:47 AM
If you're willing, I suggest you buy Finnish Air Forces by Osprey. It's got the FAF from the Winter War all the way through to the armistice in 1944, with about 4-6 pages of profiles for Bulldogs, Brewsters, Fokkers, Morane-Saulniers, Hawk 75s, Fiats, 109's. Containst group organisation and squadron numbers as well, throughout the 2 conflicts. A great (if small) read.

Hurri-Khan
04-03-2006, 07:39 AM
Winterwar is the most recorded war of finns. I think that one of the best sources is on the internet, official finnish defence forces page.

Contains telegrams from each day of the winterwar, like;

"7.30: Soviet aircraft strike at villages on Suursaari.The Russians bomb Helsinki, Lahti, Kirkkonummi, Loviisa, Kotka, Hamina, Kouvola, Antrea, Hiitola, J√¬§√¬§ski, Immola, Tainionkoski and targets in and around Viipuri.

Supported by two destroyers, the Soviet cruiser Kirov attacks Russar√¬∂ Fortress.There is an exchange of artillery fire in the late morning.Both Kirov and one of the destroyers are damaged.

The Finnish covering forces on the Isthmus withdraw to their first delaying position.Finland records its first successes in the air war: Finnish fighters shoot down 13 Soviet aircraft, two over Helsinki."


http://www.mil.fi/perustietoa/talvisota_eng/index.html


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JG53Frankyboy
04-03-2006, 07:44 AM
Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
If you're willing, I suggest you buy Finnish Air Forces by Osprey. It's got the FAF from the Winter War all the way through to the armistice in 1944, with about 4-6 pages of profiles for Bulldogs, Brewsters, Fokkers, Morane-Saulniers, Hawk 75s, Fiats, 109's. Containst group organisation and squadron numbers as well, throughout the 2 conflicts. A great (if small) read.

yes, the finnish one in the osprey series is one of the better in this series.
very good to get a fast overview.

F19_Orheim
04-03-2006, 09:41 AM
Originally posted by Hurri-Khan:
Winterwar is the most recorded war of finns. I think that one of the best sources is on the internet, official finnish defence forces page.

Contains telegrams from each day of the winterwar, like;

"7.30: Soviet aircraft strike at villages on Suursaari.The Russians bomb Helsinki, Lahti, Kirkkonummi, Loviisa, Kotka, Hamina, Kouvola, Antrea, Hiitola, J√¬§√¬§ski, Immola, Tainionkoski and targets in and around Viipuri.

Supported by two destroyers, the Soviet cruiser Kirov attacks Russar√¬∂ Fortress.There is an exchange of artillery fire in the late morning.Both Kirov and one of the destroyers are damaged.

The Finnish covering forces on the Isthmus withdraw to their first delaying position.Finland records its first successes in the air war: Finnish fighters shoot down 13 Soviet aircraft, two over Helsinki."


http://www.mil.fi/perustietoa/talvisota_eng/index.html


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That's a great site Hurri...

HotelBushranger , don't forget Gladiatorshttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Viikate_
04-03-2006, 10:41 AM
Historical and accurate static Winter War campaign with Fokkers would be fun. Russian side already has:
I-16
I-153
SB-2
DB-3
Only I-152 and R-5 are missing.

Finnish side has already two flyables and if we get the Letov, that could be used as Fokker C.V

Campaign could start with mobilization disguised as training (autum -39) and final climax would be the massive battle at Gulf of Vyborg (Viipuri). Soviets started full invasion over the frozen gulf and Finns threw every available plane to stop them. Planes bombed and strafed Soviet troops for seven days!

References is not a problem, but historical skins are missing. I have seen only one Fiat, one Morane and one Gladiator Winter War skins.

-Viikate

HotelBushranger
04-04-2006, 04:13 AM
Yyyes Orheim mate, Gladiators too!

F19 and LeLV 26 used Gladiators.

Viikate, I assume you're Finnish? Maybe you could go to a nearby museum and talk to the chaps there to see if they have any extra sorta resources. Other than that, I'd say your best bet is to get FAF Aces of WW2. It has 10 pages of profiles on every fighter, mostly B-239s and 109s.

Viikate, that sounds like a great campaign! Although I doubt it be easy to recreate strafing the troops over the ice though, and 1.9mm won't do much to Russian tanks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

In A Frozen Hell, it talks about the coastal guns boring giant holes into the ice with the sheer size of their shells, and entire tanks would just roll in and sink. Poor blokes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Also, what's this Letov? And I think we need a Fokker C.X substitute more than a C.V subsitute.

JG53Frankyboy
04-04-2006, 04:24 AM
Letov S.328

made by Jutocsa and team

HotelBushranger
04-04-2006, 04:30 AM
Letov S.328

Have you got a picture?

JG53Frankyboy
04-04-2006, 04:35 AM
http://www.virtualfighters.net/FB.htm

for more info just google

HotelBushranger
04-04-2006, 05:04 AM
Yeah, googled it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Had no idea it was gonna be in Il2 though.

LeLv44_Mangrove
04-04-2006, 05:12 AM
Originally posted by Viikate_:
I have seen only one Fiat, one Morane and one Gladiator Winter War skins.


Terve!

Tchaikalta l√¬∂ytyy talvisota-Fiatteja parisen kappaletta. H√¬§n on my√¬∂skin tehnyt pari Moranea jatkosotaan, ehk√¬§ voisi pyyt√¬§√¬§ kampanjaa varten talvisotaversiot?

France Simulation (http://www.france-simulation.com/download.php?op=mydown&did=611)

chris455
04-05-2006, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
I am for any additions to the early plane sets.

I am rather bored with all the late uber planes.

My sentiments exactly.

HotelBushranger
04-06-2006, 03:46 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

darkhorizon11
04-07-2006, 03:42 PM
To get back to the original topic I lend my support for this aircraft because of its historically accurate usage in many different theaters, not just one narrow area. Along with it go the A-20C, CW-21, Ki-27, and the SM.79!

HotelBushranger
04-07-2006, 10:39 PM
Woo for the SM 79! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

HotelBushranger
04-08-2006, 10:27 PM
http://www.saunalahti.fi/fta/fr-fin-1.htm

Just a nice bump http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

HotelBushranger
04-09-2006, 08:31 AM
Would pay hundreds for a cockpit of one of these

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/363/fr160dxxi9pc.jpg

Hurri-Khan
04-10-2006, 07:56 AM
I'd like one too but there's just two little problems.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

1) Time; none left.. nada zip zero. Deadline reached. We're VERY VERY lucky to get even the mercury powered version flyable. I think even it was supplied to 1C after the deadline http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Although Viikate is very fast modeller ( the pit was done in two weeks! ) It would require too much effort from 1C who are concentrating on BoB..

2) Reference; very scarce, I know 'cause I did those textures for D.XXI. We spend year or so searching.. (of course not daily or even weekly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ) Viikate, Serval and me. Maybe five or so photos of the 4th series pit exist, all showing the instrument panel.. no references from sides (or details).
Most of the gauges are same that in 3rd series, but there are also lots of differences.. With some quesswork one might do quite accurate pit, using gauges that VL used in it's other products.

But let's hope it will come for BoB engine.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

PS. that zero has cockpit already.. can I have my hundred ?? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


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Viikate_
04-10-2006, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by Hurri-Khan:
the pit was done in two weeks!

Two weeks! Be sure... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Well not quite in two weeks. It took six weeks and lots of coffee http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Hurri-Khan
04-10-2006, 09:15 PM
But that was for two pits + damages, right ?? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Yes, there was some extreme dosages of coffee and working hours involved from my part also..

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HotelBushranger
04-11-2006, 02:41 AM
Aye, very sad to hear. However, on behalf on the community I would truly like to say my, and our, thanks for all the time and hard work you guys put into it. I guess I'll never be able to do Continuation War (http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif) , but at least the Winter War is represented.

Thank you and salute!

HotelBushranger
04-14-2006, 05:36 AM
Just a quick bump http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

HotelBushranger
04-18-2006, 12:06 AM
Any thoughts Oleg?

HotelBushranger
04-24-2006, 05:35 AM
Sweet jesus, its almost at the bottom of the page.

Bump maestro bump!
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/9418/fokkerdxxiphoto16yf.jpg
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/6005/fokkerdxxime109dogfv00601264gf.jpg

LeLv44_Mangrove
04-25-2006, 10:47 AM
Finnish pilots almost always made an official report after missions. This one is from Finnish War Archive.

1. Planes and crews: FR-116 Lieutenant Louhija and FR-98 Sergeant Kivek√¬§s.

2. Mission: To recon roads between Bardovskaja - Vonj√¬§rvi - Petsenitsi - Bolato - Lotinapelto - Bardovskaja.

3. Execution (How the mission should be done): 26.3.1944 6.30-7.30 AM, altitude 1500 - 2500 meters.

4. Observations: Four trucks travelling from Petsenitsi to Vonj√¬§rvi. Men were sighted in a village one kilometer from Varbinitsi (circa 60 men) and five horse carts. There were unsual high number of marks around the houses.

Five horse carts from Palj√¬§rvi travelling northeast. No signs of traffic were observed in other roads.

5. Enemy aircrafts: No
6. Enemy anti-aircraft: No
7. Weather: Haze, 0/10

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/9134/untitled1copy4fg.jpg

HotelBushranger
04-25-2006, 11:16 AM
Wow! There are other people around here! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif I've just been talkin to myself http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Irish_Rogues
04-25-2006, 11:16 AM
HotelBushranger love that picture. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

HotelBushranger
04-25-2006, 11:25 AM
http://www.luijken.com/

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

F19_Orheim
04-27-2006, 01:50 AM
Don't worry HBR, we are with ya!

HotelBushranger
04-27-2006, 04:26 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif Exxccellent....

wiekiewiekie
04-27-2006, 02:48 PM
Just to make late war fliers a bit more enthusiastic for the D.XXI, did this one this morning just for fun:
http://kiwi123.military-meshes.com/images/inprogress/DXXIZ3.jpg
http://kiwi123.military-meshes.com/images/inprogress/DXXIZ4.jpg
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Irish_Rogues
04-27-2006, 03:03 PM
Look Ma no wheels! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Very cool, though.

wiekiewiekie
04-27-2006, 03:09 PM
Well, you might as well make retractable wheels if you do an advanced version, right ?

But if you like wheels, there you go http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

http://kiwi123.military-meshes.com/images/inprogress/DXXIZ2.jpg

And for another beauty, the fokker G.I, this time a fictional version, one with merlins, the other with the db601
http://kiwi123.military-meshes.com/images/inprogress/DB601G1.jpg

http://kiwi123.military-meshes.com/images/inprogress/merlinG1.jpg

russ.nl
04-27-2006, 03:46 PM
Wow wiekie, bedankt dat je ze ff wou showen http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
Thank god that someone with your talents is interested in ww2 aircraft.

HotelBushranger
04-28-2006, 01:00 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif The combined power of 8 machine guns! Noone will stop us now! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Did you make those, or are you Luijken in disguise? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Skyraider3D
04-28-2006, 01:35 AM
That Merlin G.I makes me wish I could time travel and show it to the Fokker team. "Look, make this!" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
I's so beautiful http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Irish_Rogues
04-28-2006, 06:08 AM
Awesome work, very cool indeed. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

wiekiewiekie
04-28-2006, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
Did you make those, or are you Luijken in disguise? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Yes I made those, I'm Wiek Luijken, the guy who did the renders shown in this thread elsewhere (from www.luijken.com) (http://www.luijken.com)) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

HotelBushranger
04-28-2006, 07:56 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Beautiful! I love your site mate, your work is fantastic! As you can see, I've *cough* redirected some of your pics onto this thread http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

I think you should represent the DXXI community and bust Oleg's balls for this to get ingame! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

wiekiewiekie
04-28-2006, 11:27 PM
Thanks for the compliments HotelBushranger !

Well, not much use in me representing the community. He doesn't seem to care about anything to do with aviation art or animation (which is what I care about). So that doesn't give me more leverage than you I'm afraid.

I would love to do some cover artwork for IL2 addons or such stuff (or even BOB, got a spitfire and 109 ready, working on a he111 now !) But I guess that'll happen when hell freezes over. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

HotelBushranger
04-29-2006, 03:37 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif I'll make sure it happens mate! I'll pull strings, scratch backs, fiddle with knobs, and get Blackadder off scot free! Erm... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

HotelBushranger
05-03-2006, 02:50 AM
Have you done any more stuff Luji? (Your new nickname http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

Do you have a fulltime job at the mo? Because on your website, it's listed all the stuff you've done over the news, but I was merely wondering if you've got work at the moment. If not, bloody shambles, your work is brilliant! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

turbografx16
05-03-2006, 07:57 AM
I dont think we'll be seeing this which is really too bad... I just read about the next two updates/expansions which are apparently the last and I didnt see anything mentioning the Fokker. Thats really too bad seeing how much work has gone into it from Viikate_ and how near completion it looked.

HotelBushranger
05-03-2006, 08:24 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Skyraider3D
05-03-2006, 09:07 AM
That sucks really hard http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

GoToAway
05-03-2006, 10:30 AM
Originally posted by turbografx16:
I dont think we'll be seeing this which is really too bad... I just read about the next two updates/expansions which are apparently the last and I didnt see anything mentioning the Fokker. Thats really too bad seeing how much work has gone into it from Viikate_ and how near completion it looked. It has already been said that there will be at least one more patch after the 1946 addon.

Tooz_69GIAP
05-03-2006, 05:33 PM
Yes, there is still hope! Until Oleg, or someone from 1C:MG actually says "no, you ain't getting it" I shan't give up!!

There are the two add-ons still to come, the Manchuria and VVS-46 add-ons, and at least one patch to add in the Burma, Slovakia, Norway, and possibly Italian maps, along with whatever else is included with that.

I dunno when the patch will come, but I seem to remember someone saying it would come after the Manchuria add-on, and before the VVS-46 add-on?? We can only wait and see.

HotelBushranger
05-04-2006, 04:42 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif I want it now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Irish_Rogues
05-04-2006, 06:31 AM
Some hope is better than none. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

wiekiewiekie
05-04-2006, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
Have you done any more stuff Luji? (Your new nickname http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

I was merely wondering if you've got work at the moment. If not, bloody shambles, your work is brilliant! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Did you mean me ?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

HotelBushranger
05-05-2006, 03:07 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Yeah mate. Sorry if I call you Luijken or Luji or something, I'm used to your website name not your Ubi one. But I can always call you Wiekie if it tickles your pickle http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

wiekiewiekie
05-05-2006, 05:26 PM
Heh, fair enough, Luji works, as long as I know it's me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Wiek is my first name, Luijken my last. To answer you questions then, I am working on a spitfire at the moment (Mk.I, Mk.II, Mk.V clipped and regular, Mk.V trop, Mk.VIII, Mk.IX clipped and regular) and also a he111

http://kiwi123.military-meshes.com/images/inprogress/clay0004.jpg
http://kiwi123.military-meshes.com/images/inprogress/clay0002.jpg

As you might have seen on my website (I updated some stills as well)

http://kiwi123.military-meshes.com/images/stills/onlyjustmadeit.jpg
http://kiwi123.military-meshes.com/images/stills/the%20beach.jpg

And yeah, I also work during the day http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

HotelBushranger
05-05-2006, 11:12 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif That's flippin amazing man!

I've got all the Fokker ones http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

F19_Orheim
05-05-2006, 11:53 PM
Very nice 3d work there mate!!!

HotelBushranger
05-06-2006, 08:29 AM
Luji, can we see a Support The Fokker banner in your sig? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Ugly_Kid
05-06-2006, 12:26 PM
After getting a bit worked out with all of this g@y 46 stuff, I have to give my support here. If there needs to be add-ons and if the dev. team puts work on such - then for pete's sake please put it on something that is of some use and helps to simulate historical scenarios.

I don't believe a minute that we will come anywhere near an accurate simulation of a flight model and handling of any of these imaginary birds of which no flight data exists. This statement is simply proven by the fact how performance of the ones that are "known" has gone all over the board during versions and patches. So what is the point? 3D-look-a-like that's what? kewl?

What is can be simulated well and is done by volunteers is historical encounters in different online events - wars and coops. So please, put the energy there it helps really to actually simulate something.

Bring that Fokker and other early birds and maps to match. If I have to pay for an add-on to stay compatible on online, then at least let me pay for something that I feel I get something for my money. (Thanks for the Pe-2 BTW)

Ugly_Kid
05-06-2006, 12:38 PM
And while being at it bring Hawk-75 and Morane Saulnier too.

wiekiewiekie
05-06-2006, 01:23 PM
Call me stupid, but I really can't find where to edit my sig on this forum.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

Tooz_69GIAP
05-06-2006, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by wiekiewiekie:
Call me stupid, but I really can't find where to edit my sig on this forum.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

Click the "Go" link in the top left of the page, then go to "my space" then "my profile". You will be taken to a page with a link at the top right of the page saying "view/edit profile" or something. Click this, then scroll down the page to the "signature" field.

Enter in the box there the following text:

(img)http://www.f19vs.se/fokker_now.jpg(/img)

But replace the parentheses with square brackets to make it work. Then hit the submit button at the bottom of the page, and the next time you post, the image will be in your signature.

HotelBushranger
05-06-2006, 11:10 PM
It's great to see all this support, thanks a lot guys http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

wiekiewiekie
05-07-2006, 01:41 AM
Thanks Tooz !

Heliopause
05-07-2006, 02:55 AM
The Fokker is felt as a great mis on the winter war front for years now....it also comes in handy for a Dutch scenario. So let's get this bird!!!
Great pics luijken!! (heb je ook een T.5 in de aanbieding?)

HotelBushranger
05-07-2006, 04:04 AM
Likewise, I have developed a strong interest in the Dutch Air Forces Fokker combat, IIRC 3 and 4 JaVa. A campaign against 109s would be challenging but great!

wiekiewiekie
05-07-2006, 04:36 AM
Hi Heliopause, please call me Wiek, as Luijken is my last name. Glad you like the images !

As for the T.5, nope, don't have that one yet, will build it one day.

HotelBushranger
05-07-2006, 05:56 AM
That would be great http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

DIRTY-MAC
05-07-2006, 06:59 AM
incredibble work wiekiewiekie! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

are u Dutch by the way?

wiekiewiekie
05-07-2006, 07:25 AM
Originally posted by DIRTY-MAC:
incredibble work wiekiewiekie! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

are u Dutch by the way?

Thanks Dirty-Mac !

Yes, I am Dutch, although not living in the Netherlands any more.

Hurri-Khan
05-07-2006, 02:27 PM
Almost 6400 views.. there might actually be interest in D.XXI (hint 1C!) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Here's few photos from wasp fokker's pit.
Main known differences are that v√¬§is√¬§l√¬§ reflector sight and british- style stick.

http://i73.imagethrust.com/t/453095/wasp.jpg (http://i73.imagethrust.com/images/1TRZ/view-image/wasp.html)

http://i73.imagethrust.com/t/453096/wasp2.jpg (http://i73.imagethrust.com/images/1TS0/view-image/wasp-2.html)

http://i73.imagethrust.com/t/453097/kuva145.jpg (http://i73.imagethrust.com/images/1TS1/view-image/kuva-145.html)


Without having any references I think there is radiator control lever on lower right corner. On lower left corner seems to be backup gun firing/loading mechanism.

Absence of that fuse panel from mercury variant gives me a thought that wasp actually had a generator (maybe it was standard accessory of twin wasp jr. ??). Mercury variant had only battery for it's few electrical devices. It is also often mentioned that electrical systems were totally redrawn for 4th series..


>>>-H-K--->

HotelBushranger
05-08-2006, 03:05 AM
Beaut, I haven't seen Wasp pit shots this good, large and informative.

I suppose there's no chance of getting a Wasp pit in? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I must say I am a bigger fan of that than the Mercury, if only just.

Hurri-Khan
05-08-2006, 08:00 AM
No.. unless for some reason 1C or those add-on makers (was it RGR studios?) would want one to be made.

But then again there are no references from pit sides (behind seat is no problem, mainly just radios and greenhouse there). Of course some "artistic creativity" could be used there, but would it be accurate enough ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Had some debate with Viikate last night.. he has those new fokker books and confirmed that wasp had no generator. Also it is mentioned in text (never seen a pic of it) that wasp had backup trigger in throttle lever so those lower left corner thingies would be loading switches for the 4 wing guns.


>>>-H-K--->

triad773
05-08-2006, 08:10 AM
Originally posted by Aero_Shodanjo:
CW-21b for me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

And Martin Bomber http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Ah yes- the B-26 Marauder! A fine airplane indeed: I really think it would be most interesting to see what FM they'd give that aircraft given its reputation for finikiness; known for a time as a Widow Maker.

But yes, the Fokker: if we have the Do 339, that didn't see any extensive action, why not the aircraft that saw lots of action early on?

Is the Fokker as sexy as the later Uber planes? No- not unless you love history and examining what you can, first hand, for greater insight and appreciation OF history http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif of which I am.

Cheers

HotelBushranger
05-08-2006, 08:25 AM
I think mate he's talking about this Martin bomber:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_B-10
http://www.khs.at/dayton/Martin%20B-10%20.jpg

triad773
05-08-2006, 08:39 AM
Ah yes- the Baltimore bomber. I remember this one. I don't remember seeing this plane in much action early on or otherwise. I would think the B-26 a much more interesting proposition with its Laminar Flow wings, still in early development. I would think if they did an early version of the Marauder tho it would be a real challenge to fly. As they used to say down in Pensacola back then: "one a day in Tampa Bay" (I think it was that) as evidence of its unpredictable nature to the uninitiated.

Oh well- another plane for my wish list. Hope they have a few more patches to make us happy until BoB.

Cheers

Triad

Skyraider3D
05-08-2006, 09:15 AM
Originally posted by triad773:
Ah yes- the Baltimore bomber. I remember this one. Nooooo... that's not the Baltimore - that's a B-10 and the bomber Aero_Shodanjo is talking about is the Martin 139 (and 166), which basically was the export version of the B-10. It was used in the Dutch East Indies alongside the Buffalow and CW-21b.

triad773
05-08-2006, 09:24 AM
Oh- well maybe it was called the Boston. Memory second thing to go- can't remember what the first was. I do remember the Martin bomber used with the Buffalo tho for sure. That would make for some nice East Indies missions certainly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Archer_F4U
05-08-2006, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by Ugly_Kid:
If there needs to be add-ons and if the dev. team puts work on such - then for pete's sake please put it on something that is of some use and helps to simulate historical scenarios.

What is can be simulated well and is done by volunteers is historical encounters in different online events - wars and coops. So please, put the energy there it helps really to actually simulate something.

Bring that Fokker and other early birds and maps to match. If I have to pay for an add-on to stay compatible on online, then at least let me pay for something that I feel I get something for my money. (Thanks for the Pe-2 BTW)
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif Exactly my feelings - we are missing many important types and variants which would make historical missions much more interesting.

Edit: Triad, the Boston was the A-20 (which was also the Havoc)

anasteksi
05-08-2006, 11:24 AM
Originally posted by triad773:
Oh- well maybe it was called the Boston. Memory second thing to go- can't remember what the first was. I do remember the Martin bomber used with the Buffalo tho for sure. That would make for some nice East Indies missions certainly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Boston was british version on A-20 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

F19_Orheim
05-08-2006, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by Ugly_Kid:
And while being at it bring Hawk-75 and Morane Saulnier too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

GerritJ9
05-08-2006, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by Aero_Shodanjo:
CW-21b for me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

And Martin Bomber http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

The DB-3M makes a reasonable substitute for the Glenn Martin B-10, and Aero_Shodanjo has made a Dutch skinpack for it. So, East Indies missions are certainly a possibility! Only thing limiting this is map limitations at present http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

HotelBushranger
05-09-2006, 05:07 AM
I just dled that skin pack, it really is very convincing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Roast
05-09-2006, 05:58 AM
Originally posted by Aero_Shodanjo:
CW-21b for me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

And Martin Bomber http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

Good to see so many agree on the need for the beloved Fokker D.XXI in FB http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif


http://www.f19vs.se/fokker_now.jpg
http://www.luijken.com/images/DXXIbanner.jpg

HotelBushranger
05-09-2006, 06:09 AM
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3158/fokkerdxximodel3ds.jpg

It's beautiful man! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

Btw mate, put before and after the 2 links to get em working http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

wiekiewiekie
05-10-2006, 04:04 PM
Shame we aren't getting any respons from the dev team. I thought this was Oleg's ready room ?

ElAurens
05-10-2006, 04:12 PM
Oleg and Luthier are at the E3 show in Los Angeles, so any reply this week is out of the question.

HotelBushranger
05-10-2006, 10:32 PM
Let's hope they're living it up in LA http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

wiekiewiekie
05-13-2006, 11:31 AM
I guess they are back now...any word on the D.XXI ?

marc_hawkins
05-13-2006, 12:08 PM
I guess they are back now...any word on the D.XXI ?

Might want to give them some time to unpack their suitcases first! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

HotelBushranger
05-13-2006, 09:09 PM
Never! There should have been a Fokker representative at the airport to ask the first question http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

HotelBushranger
05-15-2006, 05:06 AM
Just a quick tactical bump... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

I think Oleg should give some word on the progress of this, now it's just getting downright rude after so long http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/HotelBushranger/FokkerD-21Finish.jpg

jagdmailer
05-16-2006, 09:53 AM
Hopefully, the Fokker 21 (and all of its modelled variants), will be a happy suprise in the free patch after the Manchuria add-on. (along with the CW-21 & few others)

Jagd

HotelBushranger
05-17-2006, 05:17 AM
Well I still think thats jolly stupid, the darned thing is more complete than pretty much everything else in the works!

depalmer
05-17-2006, 10:24 PM
Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ugly_Kid:
And while being at it bring Hawk-75 and Morane Saulnier too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agree 100% forgotten Battles in my mind will never be complete till the "Forgotten" Finnish front is complete. Even so I will buy the 1946 add-on only to support Oleg. Not sure if I want the P-36 or the DXXI more.

HotelBushranger
05-18-2006, 03:25 AM
Same, Hawk 75 is a great plane to have. But Fokker just heads in front unfortunately http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

ElAurens
05-18-2006, 07:53 AM
I would like to see both the Fokker and Curtiss machines of course, but do remember that the Hawk 75 fought in Europe, the Pacific, the CBI, and North Africa. A very widely deployed aircraft. Either way we win of course, because cr@p planes rule!

I often wonder, what would have happened if Curtiss had chosen to continue development of the P36 with radial engines? By Late 1942 they could have had an aircraft with the performance of the F8F.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

HotelBushranger
05-18-2006, 08:00 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Eek!

Platypus_1.JaVA
05-25-2006, 01:29 AM
The hawk 75/P-36 is intresting for the Dutch also!

http://www.airwar.ru/transfer/grishan///camms/ar/78/pics/144_2.jpg

leitmotiv
05-25-2006, 02:41 AM
My life will be ashes until Oleg sees fit to do the good, just, honest, and virtuous thing and give us our D.XXI; meanwhile, I am forced to ***** myself with unworthy mounts from pure desperation. Sigh. A P-36/Hawk 75 would also be a consolation in this vale of tears. Groan.

HotelBushranger
05-25-2006, 03:21 AM
Amen to that, I've put sweat, tears and blood http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif into this.

Well not really, but I bet Viikate and Hurri-Khan have, IIRC Viikate spend over a 100 dollars on books for references, so we damn well better get this just so all that money didn't go to waste!

Viikate and Hurri-Khan salute! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Ugly_Kid
05-25-2006, 04:14 AM
Would be nice to have it in BoB too but somehow I'd prefer to have it in FB so that supported by the maps and Eastern Front it could be used in historical environment. Not to say that if BoB ever features Netherlands area that it would be less meaningfull but I see that in far future.

I surely hope that BoB will move on more towards battle of france and Benelux since that has not really been covered by any simulator yet.

F19_tintin
05-27-2006, 11:17 AM
any respons from the dev team?
ok, i try this
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/9341/20040830pussinboots5hr.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Fokker please! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

HotelBushranger
05-29-2006, 04:08 AM
Seriously, we need some answers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

GerritJ9
06-06-2006, 07:43 AM
The Hooftman booklet on the D.XXI contains lots of photos of the Dutch and Finnish D.XXIs, plus a four-page chapter on the Danish D.XXIs including a four-view drawing of the camouflage pattern: upper surfaces, lower surfaces and port and starboard fuselage side views. Also some cockpit shots (of the Dutch version), a cutaway drawing and several other drawings including projects with Rolls-Royce Merlin and other engines.

There are also two pages devoted to the Spanish D.XXIs. The Republican government was interested in the C.X, G.1 and the D.XXI and obtained a licence for manufacturing 25 fuselages and 50 wings for the D.XXI, to be built by a factory in El Carmoli, San Vicente del Raspeig (Ribasa, Alicante). Only one was completed; it was tested by a certain Palacios in the presence of General Herrera. Engine was a Russian M-25 as was also fitted to the I-15 and I-16. Armament consisted of Russian 7.62mm guns instead of the Brownings. The aeroplane was camouflaged with green and brown upper surfaces and light grey lower surfaces; the rudder was red-yellow-blue, a red band was painted on the rear fuselage plus red bands on the wing tips. The serial number was CF-6, painted in black on the fuselage sides with the 6 repeated on the fin on both sides.
The factory was overrun by Nationalist forces before any other D.XXIs were completed and no photos are known to exist of the only flyable Spanish D.XXI, nor is there any record of possible operational flights or its eventual fate- perhaps our Spanish forum members can enlighten us?

HotelBushranger
06-06-2006, 08:02 AM
I'm really after the 2 Fokker books by Stenman and Keskinen. I think the only way to get them in Australia is through something like amazon.com http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif There's another book, but in French which I'd like, looks VERY detailed.

Nice info on the SCW Fokkers Gerrit http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

GerritJ9
06-06-2006, 09:51 AM
In addition to the D.XXI licence, the Republicans also obtained a licence to build the C.X, and built one example with a Russian M25 engine- in a church in Santa Faz near Alicante, of all places! This aeroplane received the serial number LF-5, and was apparently captured by the Nationalists, serving with the serial number R-7 until well after WW2.
Finally, the Republicans tried to obtain G.1-Bs from Fokker, but the Dutch Government forbade the export of these aeroplanes. They were built, officially for Finland, but as far as known Finland never ordered G.1s from Fokker, nor acquired a manufacturing licence. They ended up being seized by the Dutch air force and some saw action in May 1940. The survivors were later used by the Luftwaffe as advanced Zerst√¬∂rer trainers.

Hurri-Khan
06-06-2006, 08:11 PM
As far as I remember FAF didn't order G.1 because of it's high cost over single-engined fighters. It was test-flown by finns in 1937 though. But then again at the edge of winterwar almost any fight-capable airplane would have been an addition, so order might have been placed.

http://www.k-silmailumuseo.fi/?action=arkisto&RYHMA=20&ID=

Who knows, there might even be complete testflight data of G.1 in finnish war archieves..

But what FAF did order was Fokker T.VIII-W.
http://www.kotfsc.com/aviation/tviiiw.htm
Those were to replace old Blackburn/VL R.29 Ripon IIF's (maiden flight in 1926, used by finns during whole ww2 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif). But didn't receive single one before Holland fell.

The only remaining ripon in the world:
http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/photoreports/ripon/

If I recall right Finland demanded some compensation for lost T.VIII-W's from Germany.. Can't remember if some was received, might have been aircraft engines or something.


>>>-H-K--->

GerritJ9
06-07-2006, 03:45 PM
According to Hooftman's G.1 booklet, at least two Finnish pilots tested the G.1: G.E. Magnusson flew the type on Sept. 22nd 1937; the aeroplane had previously been demonstrated to a Finnish delegation on June 22nd. The second Finnish test pilot was Capt. O. Ehrnrooth, who flew a Dutch Air Force G.1-A (301) in February 1939 for a total of 3 hrs. 55 min. The Finns were highly enthusiastic about the G.1, but never placed an order or acquired a manufacturing licence for the type, unlike the D.XXI.
The "official" Finnish order for 25 G.1 was in all probability a smokescreen to camouflage the real destination for the 25 G.1-Bs that Fokker was building- Republican Spain, since the Dutch government had prohibited the export of aeroplanes to Spain. They were to be shipped to Estonia and would undoubtedly have been immediately transshipped to Spain. However, the collapse of the Republicans in early 1939 made this impossible. Eventually the G.1-Bs were seized by the Dutch Air Force, but only some of them saw combat in May 1940.

Hurri-Khan
06-07-2006, 05:02 PM
There was definately some plans for G.1's purchase prior to winterwar, if cpt. Ehrnrooth flew the flights in 1939!


>>>-H-K--->

HotelBushranger
06-08-2006, 05:31 AM
Imagine that...a Finnish G.1...what a campaign... <ponders> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

HotelBushranger
06-08-2006, 05:49 AM
Here was the book I was talking about:

http://modelingmadness.com/others/books/poid21.htm

JG53Frankyboy
06-08-2006, 06:18 AM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
I would like to see both the Fokker and Curtiss machines of course, but do remember that the Hawk 75 fought in Europe, the Pacific, the CBI, and North Africa. A very widely deployed aircraft. Either way we win of course, because cr@p planes rule!

I often wonder, what would have happened if Curtiss had chosen to continue development of the P36 with radial engines? By Late 1942 they could have had an aircraft with the performance of the F8F.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

P-60 series ??
but not realy F8F performance http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

HotelBushranger
06-13-2006, 08:40 AM
http://aircraftwalkaround.hobbyvista.com/fokkerxxi/fokker_dxxi_18.jpg

Armour (http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif) of the Fokker. Tip - don't get hit http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

JamesBlonde888
06-14-2006, 07:41 PM
Another Crazy antique to burn. Yes please. Variety is the spice of life.

HotelBushranger
06-15-2006, 12:14 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif We'll see whos burning mate http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/7091/fokkerdxxime109dogfv00601267er.jpg

Credits to our mate Wiek Luijken http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

MaxMhz
06-15-2006, 07:49 AM
I don't care about the DXXI - the g1a - now there's a plane http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

HotelBushranger
06-15-2006, 08:37 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif True, I love it too

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/9777/g1greysky01260bi.jpg

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

wiekiewiekie
06-15-2006, 01:36 PM
Yeah, the G.I would kick serious *** ! Best twin engine plane around for the time.

So, Oleg, still no reply ? Why ?

Surely enough time has gone by since E3 to unpack the suitcase and read the forums... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

HotelBushranger
06-15-2006, 11:59 PM
Ya woulda thought hey. But Oleg's a very secretive, secluded man. He reaches out to us through use of his henchman, the admins http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Hurri-Khan
06-22-2006, 06:25 AM
I don't care about the G.1 - the D.XXI - now there's a plane! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Bump, and a teaser piccie for G.1 heretics http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://i73.imagethrust.com/i/489149/cockpit2.jpg


>>>-H-K--->

GerritJ9
06-22-2006, 09:55 AM
H-K, the only reason you don't care about the G.1 is that Finland never used it. If it had served with the Finnish Air Force, your banner would read "Fokker G.1 NOW! Lobbyist for the immediate inclusion of the Fokker G.1 in IL2FBPF" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hurri-Khan
06-22-2006, 10:18 AM
True, the Finnish front is priority to me (including soviet and german a/c that flew there). The D.XXI is ready and has correct map for it's usage in-game, G.1 wouldn't make much sense at this point http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif But of course I'd rather see the G.1 than that '46 stuff..


Who really can resist this 8-tooth smile ?? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fww2/fokg1/fokg1-5.jpg


http://www.strijdbewijs.nl/top/G12.jpg


>>>-H-K--->

HotelBushranger
06-23-2006, 02:48 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Where do you keep getting these high quality photos from Hurri? They're awesome!

Mmmm...I love the G1 control column...very nice http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I'd love both, but DXXI takes priority http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Such a shame though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Who could say no to this?
http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/3719/fokkerg17eg.jpg
http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/2369/fokkerdxxi016ex.jpg

GerritJ9
06-23-2006, 04:30 AM
That G.1 cockpit photo can be found in several publications, such as Hooftman's G.1 booklet, which contains cutaway drawings, design sketches and lots of photos. Unfortunately, like Hooftman's D.XXI booklet, it is no longer available since it was published in the late 1970s and was not reprinted as far as I know.

HotelBushranger
06-23-2006, 09:26 AM
Bugger http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

GerritJ9
06-23-2006, 04:40 PM
I could scan the booklets for you, HBR, but since they are in Dutch only there's not much point, unless you happen to be fluent in Dutch! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

HotelBushranger
06-23-2006, 09:43 PM
Well you never know mate http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif As a matter of fact, I've actually become rather interested in learning Dutch. It started with researching the Fokker, then came across a site about the 5 days of war, and just sorta sprung from there. So go for it mate, if I learn Dutch in 10 years time I can come back to them http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

WhiteSnake_76
06-24-2006, 08:08 PM
I think the Fokker 21 would be nice to have but really want the Fokker G1!

Oh and a Map of the Netherlands to go with it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

HotelBushranger
06-25-2006, 02:05 AM
Same, but nobody made a G1 so there's no hope http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Hurri-Khan
06-25-2006, 10:16 AM
Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Where do you keep getting these high quality photos from Hurri?


Material collected for D.XXI models. The Fokker company, like other aircraft manufacturers used few same instruments in it's various designs..

Here's one from danish D.XXI:
http://i73.imagethrust.com/i/497144/tanskalainenetu.jpg


>>>-H-K--->

Skyraider3D
06-26-2006, 01:34 AM
Originally posted by GerritJ9:
I could scan the booklets for you, HBR, but since they are in Dutch only there's not much point, unless you happen to be fluent in Dutch! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I happen to be fluent in Dutch http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Seriously though, if you could please scan those booklets that would be absolutely fantastic! I am looking for them for many many years and they're totally impossible to find! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif You'd do some people a massive favour! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

GerritJ9
06-26-2006, 03:16 AM
Anybody else interested in scans of these two booklets? HBR? Viikate? Hurri-Khan?????????

Hurri-Khan
06-26-2006, 03:25 AM
Of course I'm interested! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I can pass them over to Viikate, when he comes around.. I'm sure he is also eager to see those.

Luckily we are living in the internet era, so there are several online dutch to english dictionaries awailable http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://lookwayup.com/free/DutchEnglishDictionary.htm


>>>-H-K--->

HotelBushranger
06-26-2006, 03:34 AM
Course I am mate, go for gold! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Edit: Speaking of, somehow I came across a website that had insults in other languages. Yes that was not nice, but some of the jokes themselves were killer.

And I'm not sure the translator will be able to handle a whole book mate http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

GerritJ9
06-26-2006, 08:41 AM
OK, gentlemen, PM me with your E-mail addies and I'll start scanning. Bear in mind that the D.XXI booklet contains 265 photos and the G.1 booklet 160 (not to mention text and drawings), so it will take some time before I've scanned both of themhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hurri-Khan
06-26-2006, 01:29 PM
Holy handbook batman! I wonder how their actual books are, if the booklets are that big.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif


>>>-H-K--->

HotelBushranger
06-30-2006, 03:21 AM
Have you sent it through mate? Maybe you forgot http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

GerritJ9
07-01-2006, 11:22 AM
Sorry for the delay, gentlemen. I just switched to a cable connection, but it doesn't work so I have to sort that out first. Am using somebody else's computer and connection to send this.
Anyway, HBR, I thought you were going to spend all weekend flying that mission I sent you, so what's the rush?http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

HotelBushranger
07-01-2006, 09:25 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Oops, forgot about that mate! I've had a busy weekend, and bout to go out as well for 5 hours, so no playing planes till I come back http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Dimensionaut_
07-08-2006, 09:34 AM
Originally posted by Hurri-Khan:
Of course I'm interested! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I can pass them over to Viikate, when he comes around.. I'm sure he is also eager to see those.

Luckily we are living in the internet era, so there are several online dutch to english dictionaries awailable http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://lookwayup.com/free/DutchEnglishDictionary.htm


>>>-H-K--->

I can tell you Viikate will love the G.1 booklet as much as the D.XXI one.
He was quite enthausiastic about the G.1 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Dimensionaut_
07-08-2006, 10:08 AM
And a gadget for everyone who likes the D.XXI:

http://www.1java.org/dxxi/

One ZIP-file contains photographs of the cockpit of the replica.
Note that the cockpit is not fully accurate. The instruments should have Dutch texts on them. And some are not the same type as actually used in the D.XXI.
Also the chair is Finnish and not Dutch. But I guess you all know by now that the Dutch replica has some Finnish looks here and there http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The other contains photographs of a recovered Dutch D.XXI wreck.

Sorry for the nasty copyright notices, but the fellow Viikate allready told about (yes, an old modeller), started some copyright issues before, what was one of the final drops to get AAW 1 closed back then.
Anyone who needs photo's without this notice can contact me.

HotelBushranger
07-10-2006, 11:24 PM
Thanks for that mate http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Downloading now.

HotelBushranger
07-11-2006, 07:49 AM
These pics are amazing mate! Thanks a lot guys, both Gerrit and Java http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif