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Breeze147
01-13-2006, 07:25 AM
Besides their ***es, I mean. They couldn't have sat on bare metal in a bouncing, cold aircraft for hours on end. What did they use for padding?

jimDG
01-13-2006, 07:34 AM
Originally posted by Breeze147:
Besides their ***es, I mean. They couldn't have sat on bare metal in a bouncing, cold aircraft for hours on end. What did they use for padding?

they sat on their parachutes, man! (parachutes were in a bag attached to their ***es)

AustinPowers_
01-13-2006, 07:40 AM
Their hands.

Deadmeat313
01-13-2006, 08:10 AM
The IL-2 tailgunner sat on a strap suspended between the sides of the fuselage on the early twin-crew versions of the plane.

T.

womenfly
01-13-2006, 09:41 AM
Flak vest!!!!

My son did in IRAQ. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Chuck_Older
01-13-2006, 09:51 AM
Originally posted by jimDG:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Breeze147:
Besides their ***es, I mean. They couldn't have sat on bare metal in a bouncing, cold aircraft for hours on end. What did they use for padding?

they sat on their parachutes, man! (parachutes were in a bag attached to their ***es) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's why the seats look hollow http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif - "bucket" seats

major_setback
01-13-2006, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by jimDG:


...they sat on their parachutes...


http://i17.ebayimg.com/01/i/05/7c/35/25_1_b.JPG

Breeze147
01-13-2006, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by womenfly:
Flak vest!!!!

My son did in IRAQ. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

As did I in Vietnam. I didn't think they had flak vests in WWII. I can't imagine sitting on the parachute, either, but I guess that is the obvious answer.

PBNA-Boosher
01-13-2006, 11:29 AM
They did have flak vests in WW2. They were issued to bomber crewmen, who, instead of putting them on, stood on them or wrapped themselves in the stuff. They were more like flak blankets than vests.

And yes, the bucket seat was not what pilots sat in. Pilots used seat-parachutes, not back parachutes. It was pretty comfortable, for the time at least, also, the flight suits were quite bulky, and that bulk offered a bit of extra padding.

danjama
01-13-2006, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by Breeze147:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by womenfly:
Flak vest!!!!

My son did in IRAQ. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

As did I in Vietnam. I didn't think they had flak vests in WWII. I can't imagine sitting on the parachute, either, but I guess that is the obvious answer. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

See "Memphis Belle" the film...

jimDG
01-13-2006, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
They did have flak vests in WW2. They were issued to bomber crewmen, who, instead of putting them on, stood on them or wrapped themselves in the stuff. They were more like flak blankets than vests.

And yes, the bucket seat was not what pilots sat in. Pilots used seat-parachutes, not back parachutes. It was pretty comfortable, for the time at least, also, the flight suits were quite bulky, and that bulk offered a bit of extra padding.

besides, seat chutes dont get in the way when bailing out trough a small opening.
BTW p51 pilots were experts in packing parachutes - pack it wrong, they say, and you'll be sitting on a fold for 8 hours..

slo123
01-13-2006, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by danjama:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Breeze147:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by womenfly:
Flak vest!!!!

My son did in IRAQ. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

As did I in Vietnam. I didn't think they had flak vests in WWII. I can't imagine sitting on the parachute, either, but I guess that is the obvious answer. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

See "Memphis Belle" the film... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
hey i seen that movie it bout a b-17 right?

danjama
01-13-2006, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by slo123:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danjama:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Breeze147:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by womenfly:
Flak vest!!!!

My son did in IRAQ. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

As did I in Vietnam. I didn't think they had flak vests in WWII. I can't imagine sitting on the parachute, either, but I guess that is the obvious answer. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

See "Memphis Belle" the film... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
hey i seen that movie it bout a b-17 right? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol yeah its a classic, what i was gettin at is that they wear their flak jackets in it...

Low_Flyer_MkII
01-13-2006, 02:31 PM
The original flack vests worn by the U.S. 8th Air Force were supplied by the Wilkinson Sword company of London. There are accounts of how quaint the Americans found it to be supplied by armourers who had been in the business for 300 years.

Source: The Mighty Eighth by Roger A. Freeman.

LStarosta
01-13-2006, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by Deadmeat313:
The IL-2 tailgunner sat on a strap suspended between the sides of the fuselage on the early twin-crew versions of the plane.

T.

Good thing that strap was side to side and not front to back... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

jimDG
01-13-2006, 02:44 PM
Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkII:
The original flack vests worn by the U.S. 8th Air Force were supplied by the Wilkinson Sword company of London. There are accounts of how quaint the Americans found it to be supplied by armourers who had been in the business for 300 years.

Source: The Mighty Eighth by Roger A. Freeman.

OT:
The oldest company in the world is 1420 years old (it's a japaneese construction company) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Of the more famous ones the oldest is Beretta - its 480 years old. So, nowadays, American servicemen are being supplied by an even older armament company http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.familybusinessmagazine.com/oldworld.html

Low_Flyer_MkII
01-13-2006, 02:51 PM
Thanks - interesting. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Woof603
01-13-2006, 03:09 PM
In the F86 we sat on a one man rubber raft and wore a back parachute. Carried a small knife in a leg sheath to puncture the raft if it inflated in flight.

jarink
01-13-2006, 04:39 PM
Heavy bomber crews often did not wear their parachutes attached to the harness. They wore only the harness because of the need for several of the crew to move around in the cramped spaces. When they had to bail out, the would grab their chutes from stowage and clip it on via quick-attach fasteners.

Example (http://www.303rdbg.com/uc-011.html)

In B-17s, the pilots usually wore the normal seat-pack chute and sat in a normal seat. The radioman, bombardier and navigator had small folding seats. The tail gunner sat on a pad on the floor. The ball gunner had almost a OB/Gyn stirrup arrangement in his turret. The rest of the crew (Engineer, waist gunners, and any supernumaries) were not provided with seating.

MB_Avro_UK
01-13-2006, 05:03 PM
Hi all,

Many years ago I met a pilot who flew R.A.F. Halifax bombers.He stated that the ground crew obtained a piece of armour for him to sit on and protect his fundamentals.

The Halifax bomber and other R.A.F. bombers were blessed with almost no armour. Additionally, the Halifax,Lancaster and Wellington only had one pilot.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.