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Ambaryerno
08-02-2006, 01:57 AM
Couple curious quesitons about waypoints:

First of all, I assume that the headings/altitudes called out on your radio are meant to direct you to the next waypoint, correct? If so, then why is it if I keep track in the briefing of how the waypoints are laid out, on some of the built-in single-player missions the headings given to you don't even FOLLOW them?

Also, is it possible to get the in-flight map to display your waypoints, or was this particular feature decided to be unnecessary?

Chuck_Older
08-02-2006, 02:29 AM
The headings called out on your radio are not just 'for your ears only'. You'll hear info for any friendly flight as well

The minimap will display waypoints. It's a difficulty option

Ambaryerno
08-02-2006, 02:33 AM
Ah, I see. So when you set the difficulty too high it turns off what historical pilots did during the war.

Makes sense to me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Crash_Moses
08-02-2006, 05:18 AM
Some planes have a radio compass and/or PDI (Pilot Direction Indicator) that will indicate the next waypoint also.

Navigation isn't modeled very well in the game but it is possible to find your way around even with full difficulty settings. It would be nice if the map would just show waypoints without any other icons. That would be more like the strip maps and kneeboards real pilots carried. It would also be nice to be able to switch the radio compass from waypoint to waypoint without having to fly over each one in sequence.

Oh well, maybe in BOB.

Haigotron
08-02-2006, 02:23 PM
Some planes have a radio compass and/or PDI (Pilot Direction Indicator) that will indicate the next waypoint also.

Alas, i doubt its historical...

triad773
08-02-2006, 02:27 PM
I have found the called out waypoint directions are not accurate. I've become familiar with instruments in MSFS 2004 and if someone says "heading, 210, altitude, 5000," they are either lieing or it's another flight I cannot see http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Yes navigation leaves alot to be desired, but it's passible to me. I typically follow the map before I listen to any AI.

LEXX_Luthor
08-02-2006, 10:19 PM
Print out the maps.

You can take screenshots of the maps in FMB, print them out (in bizzare tga file format) and load it in some PhotoPaint program and print them out. Some FB websites have printed maps for download, but they are all made for Online play and are porked with crisscross grids and giant alphebet soup labels that kill the map -- I guess its supposed to aid Online communication regarding map navigation, calling out the letters and numbers of the grids. If you play Offline, its best to print out your own maps. Its very immersive and challenging to navigate with a paper map on your desk beside you. Much better than that tiny in-game screen map that is pasted on the canopy and sky.

Crash_Moses
08-03-2006, 10:37 AM
Gotta have the grid and coordinates for immersion...real pilots did. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Want more immersion? Print out all the maps and have 'em laminated. Then you can mark the waypoints from the briefing on 'em with a grease pencil. Just erase when you're done!

Want even more immersion? The in-game map is supposed to represent the knee-boards pilots wore (still wear) in real life. Go out to your local aviation supply store (most small airports have 'em) and get a nice knee-board (with velcro...I hate the elastic ones). Print out your maps to the knee-board size and you can mount 'em to that. Throw in a keyboard map or maybe your joystick settings. Or the IP addresses of your favorite servers. The possibilities are endless!

HitchHikerHSDWG
08-03-2006, 12:34 PM
^I've thought about getting a kneeboard but then my wife will really look at me wierd! I already have a TrackIR hat a budget cockpit and I cant imagine what she'll think when I get rudder pedals!

Well at least I dont wear my flight helmet!

Crash_Moses
08-03-2006, 01:29 PM
You don't? Sacrilege!

But the knee-boards ARE kind of clunky though. I opted for an under desk keyboard tray that I can pull out and push in as needed. Kind of like the navigation table in the SBD. My joystick and throttle are mounted to the side of my chair so I can pull it out and still fly.

cpirrmann
08-05-2006, 09:04 AM
You can also order useful pilot supplies from Sporty's Pilto Shop online. I use a plexiglass chart holder that I can put any map inside and use my grease pencil. I don't pay much attention to the radio directions as it's almost impossible to keep up with your flight with complex engine settings on. I get there eventually.

Crash_Moses
08-05-2006, 09:16 AM
hehehe...now all I need are maps showing elevation for level bombing and I'll be all set... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

NHawk52
08-05-2006, 11:29 AM
Pick up an 8.5 x 11 plexiglass sign holder like the retail stores use for shelf signs and set it on the desk beside the monitor. Print out the area map and place slide it in the holder. Then load the mission in FMB and grab a 3D screenshot of the target area for a "recon photo". Print that out from a graphics program (grey scale is cool) and slide that in the backside of the holder. Grab the grease pencil and you're all set. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Crash_Moses
08-05-2006, 02:57 PM
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y125/Crash_Moses/Ernestspeaks1.jpg

sparx1951
08-14-2006, 09:56 AM
This weekend I got started on "Pilot Career", having owned the game now for about 2 weeks and only getting the CH JS, Pedals, and Throttle to work correctly for about one week.

Anyway I was about to throw in the towel yesterday after attempting to navigate with all the vector commands shouted out over the radio and ending up heading in the wrong direction most of the time.

Well then I started looking for a thread here on this topic and "I feel better now"! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif
I did assume that some of the commands were for a different group of planes, because it made no sense considering the location I was at and where I should be heading. So thanks for this thread!

Question.
I have never flown a real plane. I wanted to ask if there are 8 planes, and I am the fourth plane in the second (group?) should I be getting instructions from #5? Is #1 or #5 my commander? (You can tell I am already addicted to this game! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I am making an effort to learn as much as I can in the Pilot Carrier games, so I don't appear to be a ******* when I attempt to fly online.

TIA
sparx1951

NHawk52
08-14-2006, 12:01 PM
Originally posted by sparx1951:
Question.
I have never flown a real plane. I wanted to ask if there are 8 planes, and I am the fourth plane in the second (group?) should I be getting instructions from #5? Is #1 or #5 my commander?

So you are #8... Then #7 is your Element leader (you're his wingman); #5 is your Flight leader; and #1 is your Squadron leader.

Crash_Moses
08-14-2006, 01:20 PM
Yup. Just stick with your leader (a.k.a. The Guy In Front Of You. TGIFOU for short.) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Not a whole lot of formation flying on-line unless you join a squadron or hang around on the full real servers.

But if you do...this thread may prove helpful. Sure helped me...

Fly in Formation (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/4811000174)

S!

sparx1951
08-14-2006, 02:57 PM
thanks dudes.
I don't want to join a clan or squadron really, not that there is a problem with it, but I cannot be "on schedule" with things like that.

I just want to learn the ropes on IL2, so I can at least appear respectable when I get online.

This game is nothing like flying on MS Combat Flight Sim which I did often years ago.

Thanks again for clarifying.
Jim