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francoisdv9
07-26-2004, 05:21 AM
Hi.

I hope Myst IV will offer a FULL Install Option for those of us with large enough hard drives.

I really dread the idea of having a whining dvd drive spin up and down the whole time while playing Myst IV.

Myst IV can still have copy protection by needing one of the DVD disks in the drive while starting the system, so omitting a full install option should not be needed as a form of copy protection.

Really people, some of us have hard drives bigger than 40gb, some even have 120gb drives. Surely Myst IV should include a full install option. We aren't going back to the 90's, are we?

Anybody have any info on this?

Thanx!

francoisdv9
07-26-2004, 05:21 AM
Hi.

I hope Myst IV will offer a FULL Install Option for those of us with large enough hard drives.

I really dread the idea of having a whining dvd drive spin up and down the whole time while playing Myst IV.

Myst IV can still have copy protection by needing one of the DVD disks in the drive while starting the system, so omitting a full install option should not be needed as a form of copy protection.

Really people, some of us have hard drives bigger than 40gb, some even have 120gb drives. Surely Myst IV should include a full install option. We aren't going back to the 90's, are we?

Anybody have any info on this?

Thanx!

Eat_My_Shortz
07-26-2004, 05:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>We aren't going back to the 90's, are we?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Whaddya talking about? The time of a game doesn't ever affect whether or not it has full install. Games in the early 90s (not Myst, but most other games) required full install.

Anyway, its ur 1st post so WELCOME to the forums!

And I don't mean to be negative. I think a full install would be a good idea! It was in Exile so we have no reason to believe it won't be in Rev. However, the copy protection is still an issue. Even if you require them to have the DVD in the drive, its obviously going to be easier to pirate and crack if you allow a full install.

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francoisdv9
07-26-2004, 05:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> its obviously going to be easier to pirate and crack if you allow a full install <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, if you crack the copy protection, you can usually "simulate" a full install by simply copying all the files from the DVD onto your hard drive. So, offering a FULL install in no way would compromise the copy protection scheme of the game.

In any case, I am a Mac user, running OS X, where game cracks are irrelevent. As far as I know, all cracks are for windows versions of games.

But why must I use a crack to install a game a certain way? I would just like to install a game I bought the way I would like to install it. Not too much to ask..?

After all the obvious hard work that the dev team put into this game, I sincerely hope that they address this issue.

Thanks for welcoming me to this forum.

Eat_My_Shortz
07-26-2004, 06:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>As far as I know, all cracks are for windows versions of games.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Hmm I think thats a little naive!

If you're a Mac user then I'm sorry you didn't get to play Uru! Did you play the other games?
Feel free to post your opinion all over the place (notice that I do it all the time!) - and yes, a very big welcome. Its a great community (which seems to be getting smaller by the day after all the POTS excitement, but hopefully they'll be back for Revelation).

Anyway I'm sure they'll include it - it doesn't *really* make a difference to copy-protection as you say. And it was included in Exile.
And yeah it would eliminate disc switching
(I can't believe it - DVD comes along to eliminate disc-switching for Riven and Exile, and now Revelation is on DVD and we're already back to switching again! Thats progress for you!)

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Grehn
07-26-2004, 10:19 AM
Patrick (from Ubi) stated at Mysterium on Saturday that there will be a full install option and therefore no disc swapping!! This is good, but I still don't like it when I HAVE to have the disc in the drive to play the game.

Grehn

francoisdv9
07-26-2004, 11:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>there will be a full install option<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

EXCELLENT!!! Thanks Ubi!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>but I still don't like it when I HAVE to have the disc in the drive to play the game <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can live with having the disk in the drive to play. I understand that there needs to be some type of copy-protection, and that method seems to be the least inconvenient of them all.

Once again, THANX people!

Eat_My_Shortz
07-26-2004, 05:39 PM
Yah cool. Yeah having to have the disc in the drive is OK, because it only has to be disc 1 - no swapping!

Now lets see I *had* 160GB hard drive. Where's all my space gone...?

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Grehn
07-27-2004, 05:10 PM
Yeah! Say goodbye to that free space on your hard drive!! But really, isn't MYST the reason you BOUGHT a large drive in the first place?? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

-Grehn

Eat_My_Shortz
07-27-2004, 11:05 PM
Hehe nope when I bought this computer Myst III was in the past, Uru was in the future and Revelation wasn't announced - at that time I really didn't care about the Myst series. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

Seriously, I haven't used up 160GB - I've used 80GB and I have 11 GB left - I've gotta get my HDD replaced! (Thankfully still under warranty!)

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StarScrap
07-28-2004, 02:19 PM
Presumably it'll need to be a particular disc. Otherwise you could spread the discs (whoa, weird plural) out amongst a few people. Ooh, you know what would be a cool feature? Allow the first little bit of the game to be played off any of the discs, but not the rest of it. For those friends you want to hook. =P

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Nebodin
07-28-2004, 04:27 PM
Cool. Im all for the full install option too, I positively loathe disc swapping. I don't mind having the disc in the drive though, because when I play a myst game I do very little else with the computer till I have finished, which means I would never have to take the disc out anyway http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Xptql
07-28-2004, 10:41 PM
How many discs are they're gonna be? I'm pretty sure the game is coming out on DVD so I thought there'd only be the one disc anyways. I hate disc swapping! But I don't have the HDD space for a full install anymore. Stupid 40 gig... ::grumbles::

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Nebodin
07-28-2004, 11:35 PM
Hmmmm, this discussion has convinced me to buy a 160gb hd instead of a 120gb one with my new pc. I was thinking to myself, "Bah! I will never need more that 120gb" but I'm pretty sure I would have said that a while ago about my 40gb HD.

Eat_My_Shortz
07-29-2004, 04:02 AM
Nebodin - a very important computer lesson everyone learns eventually - "No matter how large your hard drive, it will not be enough."
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When the guy sold me my PC (the 160gb hdd one) he said jokingly "heheh I challenge you to fill that up!" (obviously he hasn't heard of the law). I just sat without smiling and thought "challenge accepted!"

But thats OK I usually smile http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I'm pretty sure the game is coming out on DVD so I thought there'd only be the one disc anyways.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Heh well it seems they're just PACKING this game full of a LOT of video and graphics that will take up a lot more space per node than ever before.

Sorry to break this to you - 2 DVDs for the game, plus a third bonus disc.

I think its sweet, but I also thought it was sweet that Riven was on 5 CDs (my first experience with disc-swapping). I suppose that leads to another law - "If a program is so cool it takes more than one disc, that is NOT a cool feature!"

If a full install was just copying the discs (obviously its more involved than that), it'd be 9.4GB.

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maztec
07-29-2004, 04:51 AM
EMS, think you are bad with disk space? Around here I have 16 TB and it's full to the brim.

Took about 3 months to fill it.

Bleh.

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matt myat
07-29-2004, 03:05 PM
T.. T.. T.. Terabytes???! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Coronagold
07-29-2004, 06:09 PM
When I visited a friend at Pixar while they were making Toy Story 1, they had an array of 8 mini computers that held a cumulative total of 3 terabytes. 16 terabytes? Whose 'computer' are you using?

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Deg__
07-29-2004, 07:29 PM
During the Mysterium presentation, someone mentioned that if you combined the processing power of the render farm for Myst IV, it would equal the second most powerful computer in Canada. They've got 200 computers rendering M4 24/7!

Awesome stuff. I wonder if they play Snood a lot on the farm... ^.^

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Eat_My_Shortz
07-30-2004, 07:30 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
TB? I didn't think that EXISTED yet!

Whoa what on earth did you do to get 16 TB??!!!? And how IN THE MAKER'S NAME did you fill it up!??!?!
I can't imagine what possible use you could have yet for ~16000GB!

Unless as corona said, you were maybe making 5 feature-length 3D movies simultaneously!

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mszv
07-31-2004, 02:40 PM
Wow, Maztec, I'm impressed!

All the games I've bought recently have a full install option. Some of them rather annoyingly require you to have one CD (usually the first one) in the drive, when you play it, for security reasons. I'm sure Myst Revelation will also have a full install option. Running any game off or a CD just seems so quaintly old fashioned now, to me.

For games I like to keep installed, I use GameDrive Manager to make a "virtual copy" of the first CD, and I load it onto a "virtual drive". I haven't tried my virtual CD software with games that have new copy protection software on them (such as the dreaded Starforce copy protection), so I don't know if it will work with all games.

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Rashekfee
07-31-2004, 11:24 PM
Yaaaaay!

Francois, it's good to know there's another myst user out there! What machine are you running?

Srikandi
08-01-2004, 12:41 AM
Hee hee, that'll teach you to get into a p*ing contest with maztec. He doesn't like losing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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francoisdv9
08-01-2004, 04:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Francois, it's good to know there's another myst user out there! What machine are you running?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi. I recently switched from PC to Mac. Very happy with my decision! I'm running a new eMac with 768Mb RAM. I'm not a big gamer and have Warcraft III at the moment, which runs beautifully at high resolutions. Nice to see that both Warcraft III and Myst IV both are distributed on an hybrid Pc-Mac Disk.

Rashekfee
08-01-2004, 11:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I'm running a new eMac with 768Mb RAM <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Sweet! Our family has never really used pc's . . . ever since my grandfather's generation . . . so i'm biased. We just got a new g4 imac. 768 ram, 1.25 ghz, 64mb video memory. It works good. Hopefully i'll see you around the forums

Eat_My_Shortz
08-02-2004, 07:20 AM
Whats an eMac?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Nice to see that both Warcraft III and Myst IV both are distributed on an hybrid Pc-Mac Disk.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well thats all you need isn't it - Warcraft III, Myst IV and... oh Uru http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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DudeMiester
08-08-2004, 03:49 PM
Glad I have 160GB of harddrive space. btw, my uncle runs a bunch of servers where he works. The have a networked file server that has something like 100TB and can transfer at 10GB/s. He uses these special harddrives that have 76GB each, transfer at 400MB/s and cost about $1500CDN. They've got racks and racks of them all connected with fiber optic cabling.

It's simply insane.

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Rashekfee
08-08-2004, 04:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> The have a networked file server that has something like 100TB and can transfer at 10GB/s. He uses these special harddrives that have 76GB each, transfer at 400MB/s and cost about $1500CDN. They've got racks and racks of them all connected with fiber optic cabling.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Holy ****!!!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Whats an eMac? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

try <pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre"> &lt;a href="http://www.apple.com/emac/&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; </pre>.

Hope that link works, it's my first try putting one in on a forum!

brilers
08-08-2004, 04:31 PM
Rashekfee, you'll need to use this instead of &lt;a&gt;'s on the forum (The <pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">[CODE]</pre> isn't for HTML http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif):<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">here (http://www.apple.com/emac/")</pre>
So it looks like here (http://www.apple.com/emac/)

Or just hit the "URL" button above the message box when you're replying.

Just for future reference http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Nebodin
08-08-2004, 07:22 PM
It looks like a white iMac.

DudeMiester
08-08-2004, 11:12 PM
One quick question about Macs. Is it possible to do radical customization of OSX ala Windows XP with WindowBlinds/DesktopX/etc, as well as a variety of other OS tweaks and such?

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LazerFX
08-17-2004, 04:22 PM
Just trawling back through the posts - I like the idea of having 10 TB attached to my computer... I've only got .44TB at the minute (1x115GB Maxtor, 1x75GB IBM, 1x250GB Maxtor External) but I'm looking to expand since the external maxtor is used for backup (and is full), the 75GB holds my MP3's, ISO's, DVD's, Games etc. so I don't have to disk swap, and the 115GB which is my main drive has only 30GB free http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

*sigh* I was going to get the second TFT... And the Sony digicam... and the Sony laptop... Oh what the heck, I'll get 'em all http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Eat_My_Shortz
08-17-2004, 06:07 PM
Well whats the difference between an eMac and an iMac?

And whats TFT?
Given we were talking about Warcraft earlier, maybe its "The Frozen Throne" (Warcraft III Expansion)...?

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AFGNCAAP
08-17-2004, 08:32 PM
eMacs are not made by Apple and cheaper. I think that is the only difference.

TFT is LCD screen. I just got one and it's wonderful! Waiting for my order of my Radeon 9800, 256MB to come in.

EMS: You seem to be stuck in your Relto on the GoG shard. Every time I log in, you're in the list but not actually there.

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Eat_My_Shortz
08-18-2004, 12:57 AM
Hmm... thats wierd. I'm actually not there I'm here. I tried to login but now I cant even get into UU on the GoG shard!

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