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Levon1981
01-11-2005, 11:28 AM
Although the PF has Ki-61-I Ko, Otsu and Hei
it doesn't have the most widely prodeced wersion of Hien - Ki-61-I Tei, known as Ki-61-I Kai C. This plane had a 19 cm long nose, non retracheble tailweel, a pair of synchronized 20 mm Ho-5 cannons in the nose, a pair of 12,7 mm Ho-103 guns in the wings and some other small differences. The production began in January 1944. Thanks to this version of Hien Teruhiko Kobayashi scored the most of his victories.
Some late production Teis got a pair of 30 mm Ho-105 cannons in the wings (the same were in the wings of Ki-84-Ic) and a pair of synchronized 12,7 mm Ho-103 guns in the nose. Thanks to the powerfull 30 mm cannons the plane became a deadly enemy for the allied bombers but the serial production started only in December 1944 and very fiew were dilivered.
This version is known as Ki-61-I Kai D.
Unfortunately I know not much about this version and if somebody could provide me with some photoes or pics or any info I'd be very happy.
Enyway, I'd love to see these two late Hiens in the game, I hope Oleg pu them in the game.

VBF-83_Hawk
01-11-2005, 11:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Teruhiko Kobayashi scored the most of his victories. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Most of his victories were bombers. It is published that his total kills were 14 and most were B-29s. There also seems to be a probable 20 victories but I find were he had 12 kills in which 10 were B-29s.

Nevertheless, he was the CO of 244 Senatai that flew out of Chofu airfield near Tokyo. Thier mission was hameland defence against the B-29s thus the reasons for the big guns.

The last thing we need in this game is another fighter (Ki-84c) with guns designed for shooting B-29s, loose in the dogfight servers obliterationg fighters with one pop.

Can you amagine what it would have been like if those fighters had been able to fight fighters and not worry about the bombers?
OUCH!!!!

geetarman
01-11-2005, 12:01 PM
Agreed - another atomizer designed to shoot down heavies, that probably barely saw service. No thanks.

LEBillfish
01-11-2005, 02:21 PM
LOL......but give us Corsairs with lots and lots of cannons...Mosquito's and Tempests!!

Also be sure to make .50 cal. rounds rip through Ki-61 cockpits which it's well proven their armor could stop one of those rounds....

Oh, and be sure to make ALL Japanese planes burn quicker...

Yep, we hear ya.

I agree, Ki-61 with other armaments would be great, and should be simple to add just like lesser varients of B-25 to suit earlier years.

faustnik
01-11-2005, 02:31 PM
Bueschell states that there were 400 Ki-61c built starting in September '43.

Da_Godfatha
01-11-2005, 02:54 PM
I will be happy when the FM of the Tony is fixed. In 3.02beta it was a good plane to fly, now, it seems it went back to 3.0 specs. My old Ford accelerates faster that that plane!!!!!

AlmightyTallest
01-11-2005, 02:59 PM
I don't see anything wrong with including them in PF. If a modeler would work on the modifications, perhaps even 1C would make some of the small revisions to the plane to make the differenct variants.

Adds more variety to the sim, and if you don't like certain versions of them online you could always exclude them.

Also, why do some people get so uptight about a 20mm armed corsair?? They were in the war too and I'm glad they were included. Just as some subvariants of Japanese planes have every right to be included as well (Ki-84-Ia, Ib, and Ic)

Some of you guys are lucky they didn't include the F4U-4 in any variants for PF, I can imagine the Corsair haters anger then lol http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But the origional poster has a point, and if we go by production numbers then they have a valid point that they should be included as well. Doesn't hurt to ask at any rate.

geetarman
01-11-2005, 04:09 PM
People change colors all the time on this issue. Check the IL-10 post in GD. Some of those guys who want that plane in, IIRC, had real problems with other planes being included (cough .. see F4U-4). Now it's "oh put the IL-10 in for hx. sake or to complete the IL-2 series." A bunch of rubbish.

Should there even be more added planes? If so, what criteria decides which go in? I'm starting to feel that we should leave well enough alone. No matter what you put in, someone will ask for a counter-part (usually split Axis/Allied).

And to the guy that's worried about a cannon-armed Corsair. Give me a break, the cannons on the 84C are much more of a terror. I love OL the guys flying 84C's complaining that 1C's should be banned because of their ammo load.

ElAurens
01-11-2005, 04:25 PM
More planes are a good thing. Especially Ki 61s.
(They have always been a personal favorite of mine.) And Allied flyers really need not worry about the Hien, a Seafire IIIF will totally dominate it at any altitude. Probably not historically accurate, but that's the way it is.

p1ngu666
01-11-2005, 04:29 PM
both should be banned from servers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
fly the 6 50cal version, which is the proper corsair http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

fly a/b of the 84...

anyways a ki61 with bigger guns wouldnt be that uber, its just too slugish

AlmightyTallest
01-11-2005, 04:40 PM
lol, aww c'mon p1ngu666, there is no "proper corsair" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif During the war there were at least 200 lucky F4U-1C pilots that used their 20mm in battle. Same with 297 F4U-4C cannon armed Corsairs before the war ended.

I say let people have their fun, each to his own and there's a place for everyone to enjoy this sim the way they want to. Who's to say you wouln't be the lucky pilot of a rare variant of aircraft that had better than average firepower for it's type?

JG53Frankyboy
01-11-2005, 05:33 PM
the 3.03 Ki-61 a siting duck ?????
well , if you think so - i have other experiences while VOW2 missions flying.
you know that it got a CSP , so you have to set the propeller setting to 100% manual ?? (just a joke, sure you know http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

a Ki-61-Tei would realy be fantastic. around the half of the whole Ki-61-I production were Teis. BUT , it would need a rework of the Hien 3Dmodell (longer fuselage) , so i doubt it will come. so far i always use the Hei as Tei http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

VW-IceFire
01-11-2005, 05:49 PM
Well, they are giving us a Ki-100a which is a retrofit of a late Ki-61 so I'm sure if they really wanted to they could give us such a Ki-61 without much difficulty. Especially if all they did was drop in the engine...I don't have details on such matters...just thinking out loud.

p1ngu666
01-11-2005, 09:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AlmightyTallest:
lol, aww c'mon p1ngu666, there is no "proper corsair" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif During the war there were at least 200 lucky F4U-1C pilots that used their 20mm in battle. Same with 297 F4U-4C cannon armed Corsairs before the war ended.

I say let people have their fun, each to his own and there's a place for everyone to enjoy this sim the way they want to. Who's to say you wouln't be the lucky pilot of a rare variant of aircraft that had better than average firepower for it's type? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

vs how many with 6 .50cals ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

a classic corsair to me is one with 6 50s, probably the same for alota ppl.

if ki100 tail is same as that ki61, then it shouldnt be too hard to add it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Daiichidoku
01-11-2005, 10:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AlmightyTallest:
lol, aww c'mon p1ngu666, there is no "proper corsair" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif During the war there were at least 200 lucky F4U-1C pilots that used their 20mm in battle. Same with 297 F4U-4C cannon armed Corsairs before the war ended.

I say let people have their fun, each to his own and there's a place for everyone to enjoy this sim the way they want to. Who's to say you wouln't be the lucky pilot of a rare variant of aircraft that had better than average firepower for it's type? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


"Lucky" pilots indeed...IRL, most pilots HATED the cannon corsair, and tried to find .50 cal rides instead

The cannon were prone to jamming, and the 50 cals did a MUCH better job vs JP fighters

Thats why they only made a small first batch...the made the second batch for the percieved large land battle for Japan that was expected to follow...the production quickly ceased along with most other allied projects around VJ day

VBF-83_Hawk
01-11-2005, 10:27 PM
The first batch of Ki-100, from Ki-61-II airframes.....were they the lengthened fu****es?

ElAurens
01-12-2005, 05:08 AM
The KI 61 IIs were lengthened ahead of the cockpit, the installation of the radial engine negated this. It's really hard to see the difference in photos of the aircraft with the original engine installations, the easiset way to spot it is to look for some louvers ahead of the cockpit area on KI 61 IIs.

JG53Frankyboy
01-12-2005, 05:26 AM
http://www.marksindex.com/japaneseaviation/tony/ki_61_profiles_1.gif

http://www.marksindex.com/japaneseaviation/tony/ki_61_profiles_2.gif

Yimmy
01-12-2005, 06:02 AM
"Also be sure to make .50 cal. rounds rip through Ki-61 cockpits which it's well proven their armor could stop one of those rounds...."

To have enough armour to do that, the thing would be too heavy to fly. .50 rounds are awsome when it comes to penetrating.

AlmightyTallest
01-12-2005, 01:06 PM
lol, I know p1ngu666, there were around 1,900 .50 cal armed F4U-4's when the war ended plus many other .50 cal F4U-1's But since Oleg seems to have a tendency to include all subvariants for all sides, why not include the cannon armed ones as well. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Daiichidoku, from what I've read, the MAG 21 unit used F4U-1C's off of Okinawa, and MAG 31 used Cannon armed F4U-4's in the same area. The pilots liked the 20mm planes for their better hitting power both for air and ground strikes. What they describe in Barrett Tillman's "Corsair in WW2 and Korea" book is that some pilots had to get used to the 20mm ballistics, because they were used to the higher rate of fire of 6 .50's. Once they got used to the cannon, they liked them as much as the .50 cal armed planes. Just a matter of choice I guess.

Also, in Korea, Most versions of F4U-4's AU-1's etc. were converted to carry 4 20mm cannon. Seems to me they were the preferred weapon if this was done. The book also describes in detail the Mig-15 kill by a cannon armed F4U-4B.


Aside from that, this sim is all about letting people have fun, and I think everyone should be allowed to fly what they like. If you don't like the plane, then restricting it from your online server is all you have to do. I play offline only and I would like to see more Ki-61 variants, and it seems feasable so if someone will work on that, then great http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif