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Airmail109
08-31-2007, 07:05 AM
I dont reckon they have anyway of verrifying what I tell them, and tbh this question kind of hacks me off. Why do they want to know that?

Im tempted to put "Jedi Knight" or "Minister for Magic" or something stupid to humor them.

neural_dream
08-31-2007, 07:08 AM
It's illegal under the protection of personal information or whatever it is called. I know it is in the UK anyway, and I think that's where you're studying.
If you very reasonably don't want to tell them anything about people who are not your guardians any more, you can leave this blank.

DuxCorvan
08-31-2007, 07:16 AM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
I dont reckon they have anyway of verrifying what I tell them, and tbh this question kind of hacks me off. Why do they want to know that?

If it's not a public university they want to know your parents' economic power and job stability, should they charge them for your attendance.


Im tempted to put "Jedi Knight" or "Minister for Magic" or something stupid to humor them.

University officers are not likely to be 'humored' with that. They will think you are childish, or that your parents are poor as rats and you try to conceal it. They may deny you to sign for them this year.

As for legality, well, it depends on the laws in your country.

MEGILE
08-31-2007, 07:24 AM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
I dont reckon they have anyway of verrifying what I tell them, and tbh this question kind of hacks me off. Why do they want to know that?

If it's not a public university they want to know your parents' economic power and job stability, should they charge them for your attendance.


</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is probably more the business of the Student Loan Company, not the University.

Tell them your Father is the President of Uzbekistan, and your Mother is a UBI Moderator.

What Uni you going to Aimail? I just put an application today through clearing to go back to uni, because the real world doesn't appeal to me yet. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

PBNA-Boosher
08-31-2007, 08:00 AM
Stop being so childish. Ask your parents if they mind you putting their occupations into the system. If they don't mind, go ahead. If they do, then don't.

The school is just trying to get a better sense of you. This way they can attempt to appeal to you. Your advisor might get a better sense of where you come from and how you got to where you are now. Their job is to help you and this is one way they can do that.

Hopefully, if you like the job that they did and appreciate the education, you may decide to contribute a few bucks to the uni every year or 5 years, etc... to help them do the same for future students.

University programs are generally designed to assist the students. Take advantage of it.

Airmail109
08-31-2007, 08:04 AM
Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
I dont reckon they have anyway of verrifying what I tell them, and tbh this question kind of hacks me off. Why do they want to know that?

If it's not a public university they want to know your parents' economic power and job stability, should they charge them for your attendance.


</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is probably more the business of the Student Loan Company, not the University.

Tell them your Father is the President of Uzbekistan, and your Mother is a UBI Moderator.

What Uni you going to Aimail? I just put an application today through clearing to go back to uni, because the real world doesn't appeal to me yet. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oxford Brookes, tis a good uni http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

You doing a masters megile? The real world does suck!

And dux, thx for the advice! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif I wasnt really being serious! My parents arnt paying a single penny, its all funded by me and student loans.

Oh and Boosher, this is a very recent development. They never used to ask. A lot of people have been outraged by Universities asking about your parents backgrounds, including many figures of substantial authority within the education system itself! Its been all over the media.

Im contributing wads of cash to the uni, so much that Ill be massively in debt when I come out. Like most students in the UK.

PBNA-Boosher
08-31-2007, 08:12 AM
Ah, here in the US it's pretty commonplace, as far as I can tell.

leitmotiv
08-31-2007, 08:23 AM
Say their occupations are classified.

K_Freddie
08-31-2007, 08:27 AM
It's their filtering process. The uni is really a 'company' and they want the best investment for their bucks.
If you're a promising student with potential, you're halfway there. By finding more about your family (make sure you hide the 'skeletons' well) they can make a further assessment of you.

If you are 'right up top' you become a living/walking advertisment that they can boast about and you get 'free' education. Having top grade student means Big Bucks for Uni's. They want the best.

As an example.
My eldest kid got a scholarship for his whole high school (ages 14-18) career in one of the most expensive schools here. I told him exactly what I've said here (and more) and that we'd never be able to afford those fees. Mom and I have 'groomed' him well for this, as is his younger brother. I (and Mom) never had these opportunities and we know it's value.

We volunteered all info they required http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Airmail109
08-31-2007, 08:46 AM
I still dont see why they need your parents details seeing as I have plenty of proven potential and am paying it off my own back.

Yeah it is a form of filtering, but I dont like it.

Pirschjaeger
08-31-2007, 08:50 AM
In Germany, when I was doing some registration documents, they asked my religion. Needless to say, having grown up in Canada, I was quite annoyed being asked but I think they were even more annoyed when I said "Heiden". (Pagan or heathen) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fudge'em

jimDG
08-31-2007, 09:10 AM
You are more likely to have a university degree if your parents have uni degrees. To some this means that the system discriminates against people with poor educational backgrounds, because they will not be as motivated to get a degree.

So, if you say that your parents are truck drivers, you are more likely to get accepted.

Dumb policy, if you ask me, because it's about positive discrimination, rather than doing something about the actual motivation to get a degree.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6458217.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/6454073.stm
http://education.guardian.co.uk/universityaccess/story/0,,2035511,00.html

neural_dream
08-31-2007, 09:31 AM
Imperial College doesn't ask for info on the parents and the same for Berkeley and I believe the same stands for all other unis in the world's top 10. I don't see why small unis would ever use this kind of info for reason other than marketing statistics. You can safely avoid to answer the question. After all you are already accepted there (I guess, since it's September now).
It is not childish protecting your personal information.

lowfighter
08-31-2007, 09:49 AM
It was pretty common in Romania too in the 50-60s http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif
Hard comunist times then , if your father was a priest they wouldn't allow you then to go to university, unless you wanted to go study Philosophy or Political Sciences(for obvious reasons). If your parents or grandparents were rich before the big change, the same situation...

SeaFireLIV
08-31-2007, 09:58 AM
Just tell them you feel uncomfortable divulging such info, it`s none of their business, or ask them to ask your parents, or ask the parents if you can tell them.



What`s the problem? It doesn`t need Einstein.

People are always nosey, sometimes one needs to be able to `say none of your business.`

Blood_Splat
08-31-2007, 10:59 AM
You should say your mom is a stripper and your dad is a professional drinker.

Taylortony
08-31-2007, 01:11 PM
Tell them you were a mirraculous conception that gets round the father side... if they query it ask them do they not believe in God. he was one too.....

or put orphaned........

I used to send all my Junk mail back with Deceased on it..... one company did not play ball though and still sent out even more and more, until I noticed they had to pay the return postage, I then wrapped up a brick attached it to the envelope and returned that..... took 3 bricks before they stopped sending me junk.......http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

falling-bird
08-31-2007, 01:13 PM
Why not ask the University why?

neural_dream
08-31-2007, 01:34 PM
Originally posted by Taylortony:
Tell them you were a mirraculous conception that gets round the father side... if they query it ask them do they not believe in God. he was one too.....

or put orphaned........

I used to send all my Junk mail back with Deceased on it..... one company did not play ball though and still sent out even more and more, until I noticed they had to pay the return postage, I then wrapped up a brick attached it to the envelope and returned that..... took 3 bricks before they stopped sending me junk.......http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

lol for both http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

snafu73
08-31-2007, 01:46 PM
They ask you this to be sure that they've filled their pluralist quota.

WWSensei
08-31-2007, 01:59 PM
Just reply "Dead to me".

Stew278
08-31-2007, 04:00 PM
In the US this is standard practice if you are applying for student loans and under 25 years old. They ask for your parent's occupation, education level, and tax information from last year. They feel that the family should contribute X% towards your college education, so they want to make sure you're parents can't afford to contribute before they'll give you loans.

Some universities, like the one I currently attend, also have special programs/scholarships for students that are the first generation in their family to attend college or if they are "disadvantaged" (translation: anything but white male).

Of course the system of basing things upon both the student and parent's income assumes the student is on speaking terms with their parents. What if the parent's make good money, but refuse to contribute?

As far as for students that aren't requesting student loans, then the parent's occupation should be none of the university's business.

K_Freddie
08-31-2007, 04:09 PM
Depends what you want...

You can be uptight and argue which might be frowned upon, and not accepted, add negative points to your score.
OR
You can learn to 'play the game' and give out only relevant info that will make them happy.
More points in your favour.

If I was you, I'd learn to play the game NOW, and when you have what you want, you can say goodbye. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Another thing - If they were really desperate (and cared) about you parents occupations.. they don't need to ask you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

MEGILE
08-31-2007, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by Aimail101:


Oxford Brookes, tis a good uni http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

You doing a masters megile? The real world does suck!



Good work Aimail.

No I'm not doing a masters, another Bachelors hopefully. My first degree can gather dust in the attic http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

On Monday I have to convince the Course Leader, why they should take me on a Human Nutrition degree despite the fact I don't have a C at A Level Biology (I never took sciences).

I have two things going for me, I'm already an Alumni of the particular Uni, and I am 21.

I don't think I have ever been so nervous in my life, because this is the career for me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif
If they make me take an A level, thats another year between me and the majority of the students http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

leitmotiv
08-31-2007, 05:16 PM
Benefactor of humankind, M. A ruddy saint. I'm appalled!

xTHRUDx
08-31-2007, 05:54 PM
i'd use Spy and Shepard.

Jediteo
08-31-2007, 07:21 PM
I went through the same thing a week ago, I just got in Nottingham Trent. Thankfully, University education is Sweden is 100% free (exept books and stuff), so my goverment pays the whole lot (the tuition fee that is).

Kinda scary leaving Sweden all by myself to live in a country I've never been to. anyone here got some tips about Nottingham?

Skycat_2
08-31-2007, 07:39 PM
Originally posted by Stew278:
In the US this is standard practice if you are applying for student loans and under 25 years old.
Even though I was in my mid-30s when I went back to school full time, I still had to answer these questions on my FAFSA. I think the fact that I already had a bachelor's degree (and my parents have Masters' degrees) eliminated my chances of getting a grant or scholarship. Too bad I never signed up for the GI Bill ...


Originally posted by Stew278:
..."disadvantaged" (translation: anything but white male).
I know what you're getting at but this isn't a fair statement. I have a white male friend who is getting significant financial aid for college partly because he grew up in the inner city and attended public schools.

Plelv44_Mangrov
09-01-2007, 12:53 AM
That's the good thing living here in Finland. Universities are free to anyone so they don't have to act as companies.

Personally I would fill the form as truthfully I could.

Airmail109
09-01-2007, 03:39 AM
Yeah tbh Ill just tell them! Cant be bothered risking it! Ill play the "game".

Megile youll be fine, I never did A level Biology or Chemistry and I managed to blag my way onto this biomed degree http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

I have a good understanding of both however, the uni gathered that.

Jedito well done, Nottingham trent is a nice campus! Im suprsed your government pay the insanely high fees for foreign students though! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Taylortony
09-01-2007, 06:27 AM
Originally posted by Jediteo:
I went through the same thing a week ago, I just got in Nottingham Trent. Thankfully, University education is Sweden is 100% free (exept books and stuff), so my goverment pays the whole lot (the tuition fee that is).

Kinda scary leaving Sweden all by myself to live in a country I've never been to. anyone here got some tips about Nottingham?

Nottingham is ok, bit of crime etc as in every big city..... I live about 15 miles from it... It does have one of the highest ratio's of women to men in the UK http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

SUPERAEREO
09-01-2007, 07:00 AM
Originally posted by jimDG:
You are more likely to have a university degree if your parents have uni degrees. To some this means that the system discriminates against people with poor educational backgrounds, because they will not be as motivated to get a degree.

So, if you say that your parents are truck drivers, you are more likely to get accepted.

Dumb policy, if you ask me, because it's about positive discrimination, rather than doing something about the actual motivation to get a degree.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6458217.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/6454073.stm
http://education.guardian.co.uk/universityaccess/story/0,,2035511,00.html


Totaly agree: it is a dumb policy by this government: the daughter of a friend of mine could be discriminated because her parents are both professionals, even if they were the first and the only children in their respective families to be able to go to university (late in life and while working their butts off at their day jobs).

It sucks.

huggy87
09-01-2007, 07:10 AM
Just to get us Americans up to speed, how does college admissions and pay work in the UK? I (falsely?) assumed that an education was almost entirely funded by the state.

falling-bird
09-01-2007, 07:24 AM
You have nothing to lose by simply asking the university why the question is on the form. You will find that this is far more productive than getting anxious.
You may like or dislike the answer you get, but you will at least know their reason for the question.

You can call them on the telephone, email them, write a letter, or even march up to door and ask personally. Quite probably they have been asked this question many times before. They are there to help not hinder.

Please don't screw it all up because you're frightened to ask a question.

AlGroover
09-01-2007, 07:40 AM
I'm surprised the university would risk its reputation with such a question. Why so? If it can be shown that the kids of certain professions are awarded higher grades then it starts to look like corruption.

MEGILE
09-01-2007, 08:49 AM
I'd suggest Kevlar for Nottingham.

MOH_MADMAN
09-01-2007, 11:21 PM
it is for the purpose of money. A consumer database which they can do with as they wish for whatever commercial gain, and use for thier own gauge on you.
Leave blank if you dont like it, but dont get funny, or you wont be taken seriously.

Jediteo
09-02-2007, 05:11 AM
Originally posted by Aimail101:

Jedito well done, Nottingham trent is a nice campus! Im suprsed your government pay the insanely high fees for foreign students though! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Actually Sweden is in the EU, which means I pay the same amount as the brits. Highest ratio of women to men, sounds like a nice place to me

and Megile, Nice Sig http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

neural_dream
09-02-2007, 05:14 AM
Originally posted by Jediteo:
Actually Sweden is in the EU, which means I pay the same amount as the brits. Highest ratio of women to men, sounds like a nice place to me

You are not leaving Sweden for the girls of Nottingham, right? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Jediteo
09-02-2007, 05:22 AM
of course not, Im going there to study abroad (or two, sry just had to, its a classic)

Taylortony
09-02-2007, 06:04 AM
Originally posted by Jediteo:
of course not, Im going there to study abroad (or two, sry just had to, its a classic)

Sure its not for the cheaper Alcohol?........ I know what the prices are like in your parts of the world, you have to take out a morgage in Denmark to buy a beer.

MEGILE
09-03-2007, 09:19 AM
Chester told me to sod off http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

Liverpool said maybe http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Airmail109
09-03-2007, 09:26 AM
Originally posted by Megile:
Chester told me to sod off http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

Liverpool said maybe http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Come to brookes :P

ploughman
09-03-2007, 12:37 PM
Three pages and I still don't know what your parents do. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Have fun at uni. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Airmail109
09-03-2007, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
Three pages and I still don't know what your parents do. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Have fun at uni. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Musicians http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Yeah I will!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

avimimus
09-03-2007, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
I tell them, and tbh this question kind of hacks me off. Why do they want to know that?


In the old days (1960s +- 20 years), decisions were often made if you had the wrong parental profession, wrong class...

SithSpeeder
09-04-2007, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by falling-bird:
You have nothing to lose by simply asking the university why the question is on the form. You will find that this is far more productive than getting anxious.
You may like or dislike the answer you get, but you will at least know their reason for the question.

You can call them on the telephone, email them, write a letter, or even march up to door and ask personally. Quite probably they have been asked this question many times before. They are there to help not hinder.

Please don't screw it all up because you're frightened to ask a question.
This is the best advice I've seen in this thread.

Assuming is lazy thinking where your mind answers
questions which your mouth should be asking.
--Bill Cottringer, expert assumist

Never answer a question unless you know exactly who is asking, why it is being asked, and what will be done with the information.
- Dogbert, "The Answer depends on the Asker"

* _54th_Speeder *

Breeze147
09-05-2007, 06:00 AM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
I dont reckon they have anyway of verrifying what I tell them, and tbh this question kind of hacks me off. Why do they want to know that?

Im tempted to put "Jedi Knight" or "Minister for Magic" or something stupid to humor them.
Maybe they just want to know how a dork like you made it 18.

Airmail109
09-05-2007, 06:05 AM
Originally posted by Breeze147:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
I dont reckon they have anyway of verrifying what I tell them, and tbh this question kind of hacks me off. Why do they want to know that?

Im tempted to put "Jedi Knight" or "Minister for Magic" or something stupid to humor them.
Maybe they just want to know how a dork like you made it 18. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What rattled your cage jerk off...Girlfriend leave you for a circus midget?, I was just having some fun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

Whilst waiting for BOB, then my posts will resume mainly to aviation ones http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Breeze147
09-05-2007, 06:59 AM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Breeze147:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
I dont reckon they have anyway of verrifying what I tell them, and tbh this question kind of hacks me off. Why do they want to know that?

Im tempted to put "Jedi Knight" or "Minister for Magic" or something stupid to humor them.
Maybe they just want to know how a dork like you made it 18. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What rattled your cage jerk off...Girlfriend leave you for a circus midget?, I was just having some fun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

Whilst waiting for BOB, then my posts will resume mainly to aviation ones http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nothing. I love picking on the helpless.