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money_money
10-17-2005, 10:21 AM
I have noticed that this part of the compass points to the next waypoint, Is this corect? Did the real aircraft have this and how did it work in real life? Is this active on the full real servers, to get you to the targets and back?

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Kuna15
10-17-2005, 10:28 AM
If icons are enabled (on map), you will see your aircraft and waypoints.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b34/money_money/grab.jpg

I don't think that compass is pointing on waypoints, it should point in the direction that you are heading.
Check the speedbar (left red letters) and comicbar (pit off).

money_money
10-17-2005, 10:29 AM
I cant seem to get the image to show. the little aircraft on the compass.

Kuna15
10-17-2005, 10:32 AM
Just type image location

image location in your case is http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b34/money_money/grab.jpg

money_money
10-17-2005, 10:36 AM
if there is no map icons on, on the full real servers do the people who make the maps still put waypoints on the map that this thing will pick up even if you cant see them. Thats all if that is what this thing on the compass is doing.

ps, why does the image come up in your post but not mine?

fixed

Kuna15
10-17-2005, 10:38 AM
Apparently it is pointed in the waypoint direction, you are right. I have done a quick test and yes little aircraft in compass is pointed in intended waypoint route at all times.

However, I may be wrong because I tested for about one minute (FMB lot of waypoints). http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Kuna15
10-17-2005, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by money_money:
if there is no map icons on, on the full real servers do the people who make the maps still put waypoints on the map that this thing will pick up even if you cant see them. Thats all if that is what this thing on the compass is doing.

ps, why does the image come up in your post but not mine?

Yes, apparently you are right. And that is one more little bug or exploit/cheat whatever we may call it. In full real COOPs Bf-109 players (and others) will benefit from this because they can follow route quite precisely. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Of course that wasn't the case in real life, compass can not possibly know where we want to go. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

About your question, just look at my example above; you just type

[+++++++++IMG]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b34/money_money/grab.jpg[/IMG]

and delete the plus signs in front of the adress, I must type them otherwise you will see only image. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

You should report that in 401 bug thread over at Oleg's Ready Room.

tomtheyak
10-17-2005, 10:51 AM
Hi Kuna -

It's less a cheat than a removal of workload for the average pilot...

ASFAIK most aircraft of the time had some sort of movable marker that a pilot could set near/on the compass or DI to give quick reference as to where he should be going - some were even radio activated so a beacon or similar could be used to guide an a/c on to target/home; but still very rudimentry ntaurally - considering most of us don't keep a nav computer and atmospheric conditions charts at home, I'm willing to let this one slide http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Hoarmurath
10-17-2005, 10:58 AM
Originally posted by Kuna15:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by money_money:
if there is no map icons on, on the full real servers do the people who make the maps still put waypoints on the map that this thing will pick up even if you cant see them. Thats all if that is what this thing on the compass is doing.

ps, why does the image come up in your post but not mine?

Yes, apparently you are right. And that is one more little bug or exploit/cheat whatever we may call it. In full real COOPs Bf-109 players (and others) will benefit from this because they can follow route quite precisely. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Of course that wasn't the case in real life, compass can not possibly know where we want to go. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

About your question, just look at my example above; you just type

[+++++++++IMG]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b34/money_money/grab.jpg[/IMG]

and delete the plus signs in front of the adress, I must type them otherwise you will see only image. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

You should report that in 401 bug thread over at Oleg's Ready Room. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think you should also consider reporting 109 for having an altimeter, a speed indicator, a tachymeter...

This is the **** goniometer, it is intended to show you where is your next waypoint!!!! And almost all planes have one!!!

And yes, it always work, even in full real, for all planes.

Kuna15
10-17-2005, 11:23 AM
OK I didn't know that, thanks for clearing that up http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.
BTW nice attitude you have there Hoarmurath. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

LEBillfish
10-17-2005, 11:36 AM
Look at the various gauge types in the manual....I actually know of few that don't have this feature (though possibly none/few of the Japanese...can't recall)......I "believe" it is radio guided...Start slipping from side to side in the beam and it will show you the side with the stronger signal (which side to slip back towards).....

Very useful when in a coop type of mission where no waypoints are shown on the map.

Covino
10-17-2005, 11:46 AM
yes, most planes (russian type looks very different) have that insrument (i believe it is a radio compass) to aid them in their navigation). if a plane didn't have them in real life and and don't have them in the game, then that's just a realistic disadvantage you have to live with.

Freelancer-1
10-17-2005, 12:08 PM
Now that IS a handy bit of info. It really is worth dredging through all the cr@p here sometimes.

Mad_Moses
10-17-2005, 12:17 PM
It's a remote reading compass; "radio compass", lots of planes had them in WWII and it's not a bug or a cheat. I'm not sure if the Japanese planes have them but most German, U.S., and later model Russian planes (separate gauge) have them.

I don't know all the exact technical specs but I think its just radio beam is projected and the remote reader compass helps to hold you on course with that beam.

It is very useful in co-ops, but probably not so realistic in how it works with multiple way points.

Regards,
MM

Dunkelgrun
10-17-2005, 12:28 PM
It's fine until you miss a waypoint; then it will always point to the one that you missed.

Not a cheat at all though. Take a look at some cockpit pics.

Cheers!

GreyFox5
10-17-2005, 12:33 PM
Its a real instrument! Radio compass for guidance. Not sure how the real life LW used it but I imagine they needed radio becons for this device to work. Nice for Coops with Cockpit on and map icons on. as you pass over waypoint the compass will move and then point toward the next waypoint.

Bearcat99
10-17-2005, 01:11 PM
It was called a repeater compass..... Most of the planes have some versionh of it... in the Hawks,Cats,Ponies Jugs and Cobras it is a needle bracketed by two lines.

Low_Flyer_MkII
10-17-2005, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by Freelancer-1:
Now that IS a handy bit of info. It really is worth dredging through all the cr@p here sometimes.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

effte
10-17-2005, 02:21 PM
Sheesh... the amount of ignorance is at times staggering.

Repeater compasses were appearing at this time, yes. They show which direction you are flying, as compared to magnetic north. That is it. They do exactly the same thing as a whiskey compass (the kind you€ll have in your hand when out in the mountains, if you are smart), just better. Nothing more, nothing less. Yes, these will show up in cockpit pictures.

Some aircraft were equipped with radio navigation aids during WWII. This was very rudimental equipment compared to even the ADF equipment in aircraft today. Arrows pointing to arbitrary waypoints? Hardly! You'd have a rotating DF antenna which you could rotate manually while listening to a signal, or - with a high geee-whiz factor - look at an indicator to find the approximate direction to a transmitter. There were also A-N type beacons. If you were on one of four fixed radials (directions from the beacon) you'd hear a constant tone. If you were off to one side, you€d hear a morse code character €˜A€ transmitted, on the other side you€d hear an €˜N€.

Other experiments involved guidance beams to lead bombers on target. Bombers would fly down a beam, about as refined as described above. Another beam would cross the guidance beam slightly before target, telling them that the drop was imminent. A third and final beam would mark the drop. This made it possible to bomb with immaculate precision and hit a medium-sized city almost every time... until the British figured out how to jam it and had the Germans, who were the cunning minds behind this technology, bomb fields which, while pretty, were generally considered less wanted than the aforementioned cities.

To add insult to injury, radio navigation equipment was for long-range flying and bombers primarily. Fighters would be the last to see any of it.

To make things clear:
The primary means of finding your waypoints in the overwhelming majority of the crates featured in Il-2 was pilotage (IFR, or <I>I Follow Railroads</I&gthttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif, a map, a compass and a stopwatch. No magic waypointfinding equipment. The waypoints were coordinates in a map. No radio beacons, no magic.

major_setback
10-17-2005, 02:38 PM
Effte:

That confirms this:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/compass.jpg

PFS_BlackBird
10-17-2005, 02:57 PM
I once followed the radio guidance in my B25 and it brought me all the way down to the SW corner of the map. This was in an online dogfight mission.

Would be fun if mission builders (online dogfight missions) could adjust the location of this beacon and guide the bombers directly to the target.


BB

effte
10-17-2005, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by major_setback:
That confirms this:


Yup. Hmm, those white markings barely visible on the secondary ring do make me curious though.

Wasn't there a LW compass with turn rate indicatin built into it at one time or another? I seem to recall reading something to that effect... but I'm no expert on the subject.

I also see that you may be a neighbour, Tiscali indeed. The sunny-enough-for-getting-a-lot-of-bike-miles-in-this -weekend aviation capitol of the country here! With that information, you might be able to deduct why I find your google bar slightly funny at this late time of the evening. A hint: Have a look at my nick. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

major_setback
10-17-2005, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by effte:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by major_setback:
That confirms this:


Yup. Hmm, those white markings barely visible on the secondary ring do make me curious though.

Wasn't there a LW compass with turn rate indicatin built into it at one time or another? I seem to recall reading something to that effect... but I'm no expert on the subject.

I also see that you may be a neighbour, Tiscali indeed. The sunny-enough-for-getting-a-lot-of-bike-miles-in-this -weekend aviation capitol of the country here! With that information, you might be able to deduct why I find your google bar slightly funny at this late time of the evening. A hint: Have a look at my nick. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm an Englishman in Lund. Where's the aviation capital?

FT?

p-11.cAce
10-17-2005, 08:08 PM
On the Japanese a/c the repeater portion of the compass is the upper "ring" and the lower "ring" is the mag compass - match the numbers so top and bottom match and you are on course (at least in the D3A which is my cr@p plane of choice now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif) For lots of fun I set up a training mission from Bansai out to some carriers in rain and low ceilings - immediatly after t/o I drop my view to instruments and fly all the waypoints on the gauges by speed and stopwatch and try to break out lined up on the carrier w/o checking the map http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Its a sickness...I know.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

wayno7777
10-17-2005, 08:30 PM
Hurricanes had two compasses. The gyro compass directly in front of him and a P-8 magnetic compass in the bracket just below the instrument panel.(just below the gyro compass in fact) They would set the gyro to the P-8. Then they would set the lubber line to the course they wanted to fly. They would have to check the gyro every ten minutes or so cause it would drift.
I would think the system was similar in Luftwaffe planes.