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EddieNYC
12-30-2004, 09:49 PM
Will my old Sidewinder 2 be ok for this or should I get something more complex. I'm getting this game this weekend, and may do the special with a free lock-on.

EddieNYC
12-30-2004, 09:49 PM
Will my old Sidewinder 2 be ok for this or should I get something more complex. I'm getting this game this weekend, and may do the special with a free lock-on.

-HH- Beebop
12-30-2004, 10:23 PM
If you're happy with that stick and it's in good condition it should be fine.

If you're looking to upgarde, consider a HOTAS set up. Value for money I would choose the:
http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/images/product/pcp/x45.jpg
X-45

For a bit more money consider:
http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/images/product/pcp/x52.jpg
X-52 (it has a twist handle rudder)
Saitek: http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/prod/joysticks.htm

For a lot more money many swear by:
http://hirevsims.com/homepage/1products/1fltcntls/02f15/dsktop/f15dtstkthr.jpg
CH Products: http://www.chproducts.com/

You can use the X-45 throttle quadrant with your stick. Check any of Bearcat 99's post for more info on setting this up.

Hope this helps.

(and BTW, welcome to the forums)

TX-Zen
12-31-2004, 01:55 AM
I have the CH Fighterstick USB. While pricey, I can say without hesitation that it is the best stick I have ever owned by far. I can't say enough good things about it and it has definately made my game more enjoyable.

(Thanks again to sparx for finally convincing me to buy one)

TheGozr
12-31-2004, 03:57 AM
$$ zen? looking into that..

norad_razor
12-31-2004, 04:46 AM
MS Force Feedback 2 if you can find a good one. I scored one from the UK still very good condition and CHEAP, and a mate scored one from the USA again VERY CHEAP and in mint contion.

When I say cheap under $50USD.

TX-Zen
12-31-2004, 05:15 AM
http://hardware.gamespot.com/CH-Fighterstick-11841-O-28-32

Shop around though, I think I paid 95.00 USD for mine but can't remember where I ordered it from.

Holycannoli
12-31-2004, 07:05 AM
I just ordered a CH fighterstick, pro throttle and pro pedals for $297 from www.provantage.com (http://www.provantage.com)

That's including shipping. And that's one helluva deal. It was a tossup between thsee and a Cougar with pro pedals and I decided on CH.

But %297 is an awesome deal when you can get them directly from CH for $450.

Heavy_Weather
12-31-2004, 07:09 AM
definately a HOTAS setup. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
12-31-2004, 07:12 AM
Your stick will do...but a HOTAS will do better.

Chivas
12-31-2004, 10:45 AM
Your old sidewinder 2 is an excellent stick for IL-2. I would recommend getting a seperate throttle to work with your sidewinder.
When your sidewinder bites the dust a new Hotas system would be in order.

Cougar...has a great throttle but poor stick..IMHO
Saitek X52 is a good all round choice

Not sure about the CH products...never owned them, but some good feedback from those that have.

jeroen-79
12-31-2004, 11:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chivas:
Cougar...has a great throttle but poor stick..IMHO <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It is the gimbals and the springs.
The gimbals develope some play near the center which means that you can wobble the stick around a bit without the axis doing something.
The springs are strong and the way they are installed results in a "bump" when you pass through the center.
For extra $$ you can get 3rd party replacement gimbals that cure these problems.

RevvinUK
12-31-2004, 12:40 PM
My reply is he same as your other topic in the PF forums, I have the CH Fighterstick, Pro Throttle, Throttle Quadrant, Flight Sim Yoke and Pro Pedals and enjoy using them in Il-2/PF. I've owned Saitek gear and Thrustmaster (including the Cougar) but it's CH that has worked best for me consistantly over the years.

My previous CH rig was a gameport CH Force FX and Pro Throttle which still work today just as well as the day I bought them. I went USB for the ease of connection and the greatly improved programmability through the CH Control Manager software. The software allows you to use CH devices as plain DirectX devices which you can map in your chosen sim or better still map keys or macro's to buttons in programmed mode and if you really want to take it a step further there is a rather powerful scripting language which allows such things as automated trim functions, fail safe ejection sequences or the ability to turn on the guncam and turn if off after a preset period. Those are just a few examples off the top of my head.

Although I have all the kit I prefer to use the Fighterstick, Throttle Quadrant and Pro Pedals for prop sims like IL-2/PF. I have a profile for Pacific Fighters that has keys mapped to the levers so although some of the levers are set to work as direct joystick axis for controls such as throttle and prop prop pitch some operate the landing gear, arrestor hook or flaps so all I need do is look down at the Throttle Quadrant and I have a visual reference as to the state of these controls. Of course having a set of levers also feels a little more like a WWII warbird.

That's not to say the Pro Throttle is any less useful, it has a handy microstick which can be either used as a mouse to pan your view or it has a nice long 'throw' so if you decided to buy the stick and throttle for the time being and save for the pedals you could map this ministick as a hand operated rudder control.

Should you decide on CH devices then please do drop by a community site I run for CH users which you can find here (http://www.ch-hangar.com). In the forums you'll find many more IL-2/PF players as well as a choice of pre-made profiles you can download and use or easily tweak to suit your own configuration. Help is always on hand to get the best out of your controllers.

You can pick up CH gear for around $100 a piece which puts it at the higher end of the market but due to their quality and durability you'll still be using these in years to come where as the cheaper options are sometimes a false economy. Try Flightsim Central (http://www.flightsimcentral.com/chprodhan.html), or Provantage (http://www.provantage.com/buy-110CHPU-ch-shopping.htm) they have some pretty good offers.

EddieNYC
12-31-2004, 01:48 PM
Thanks. Very helpful. Which CH do you like more the Fighterstick or the Combatstick. I'm sure both have more than I'd use at this point, but I don't want to 'grow out of something if I'm spending $75 or $100.

RevvinUK
12-31-2004, 03:28 PM
It's all down to taste really, the Fighterstick has two extra 4-way hat switches than the Combatstick but if it's generally WWII sims you play then the Combatstick has more than enough buttons especially when you combine it with something like the Pro Throttle or Throttle Quadrant. It's also worth remembering that with the CH Control Manager software you have a shifted button state on each button and up to three modes (four if you use CMS scripting) for each button so each button can have 8 separate commands per button.

Butonga
12-31-2004, 07:56 PM
I been using an X45 for a while now and like most others, the rudder paddle is starting to let go and it just doesn't feel solid to me in flight or maybe I just suck at flying.

Anyway, I decided to take the big plunge and move on to a CH set up and just ordered this from provantage:


Qty Product Each
1 Pro Pedals USB (CHPP002) 91.49
1 Fighterstick USB (CHPU005) 94.56
1 Pro Throttle USB w/IL-2 Sturmovik Game (CHPU007) 98.60
1 Flight SIM Yoke USB (CHPU001) 94.17
Subtotal: 378.82
Shipping: 24.35
Order Total (US$): 403.17

Bought the yoke cause I like flying turbo prop cargo planes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif . Probably buy the multi-engine throttle box later as well depending on how I like what I already ordered. Sure hope CH is as good as everyone says.

RevvinUK
01-01-2005, 05:11 AM
That's one hell of a plunge but WTG on the new rig if you need any help or advice setting up drop by The CH Hangar (http://www.ch-hangar.com/) and we might be able to help. There are numerous IL-2/PF profiles to help you get started anyway.

EddieNYC
01-01-2005, 02:27 PM
Got the fighterstick. Thanks. More than I need now, but hopefully not later!

EddieNYC
01-01-2005, 04:21 PM
I saw the profiles on the CH Hangar site, but I only saw PF ones for the Fighterstick with throttle and pedals. Are there any for someone just using the stick on a stand alone basis.

Second, obviously I'm new here, do I need to program the stick with the software, or will the game set up a default based on the stick once I plug it in?

Thanks again.

RevvinUK
01-01-2005, 05:03 PM
You can use your stick as a standard DirectX compatible stick and map the joystick buttons and axis in Pacific Fighters, I prefer to program them with the Control Manager software as it's more versatile. Download the latest version here (http://www.chproducts.com/retail/tech_control_manager.html) and then download any of those profiles you mentioned as you can easily delete the devices you don't have in the profile using the Control Manager software.

gbollin
01-01-2005, 05:28 PM
I use the X45 and the Logitech Wingman Force 3d.