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GrayWolf3rdXO
02-10-2005, 06:17 AM
Not shure if this been posted but will ther be ships crew in the water and what not?

If not I wish ther was. in Il2 you can shot down the paratropers tat jump from ther plains wich is cool shoting some one out of the sky at 5000 or higher and all they can do is wait till they hit the ground SPLAT! > : ) Any ways it would be cool cause if you could maybe ther would be a way to make the ships hunt ya down more. Any ways be cool! Also if you could capchure um as well and bring um to a Germen DD to get imfo from um or even board a ship you stoped dead in the water to get pappers and maps off um. More cool things I hope will be added later on in game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

KaosxMeach
02-10-2005, 06:21 AM
Some good ideas but not sure about shooting Paratroopers seeing as they tend to land on..well...land and there is the moral and ethical questions raised about shooting defenceless people in the water. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

It would be good to board enemy ships, maybe this could be on an expansion disc released later on?

Jose.MaC
02-10-2005, 06:28 AM
Sorry, no boats, no survivors.

Maybe in SH4. After all, in SH3 people asked for hanging food, and we'll have it! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

U1409
02-10-2005, 06:59 AM
It is neither fun nor cool to shoot defenceless people, m'kay http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.
I would much rather see fish, whales and dolphins than sailors in the water.

Nimrod2005
02-10-2005, 07:30 AM
There was a post on this a while ago by a mod (I think it was UbiRazz) who said that people would not be portrayed because of the moral aspect of it. The same goes for your crew, you won't be seeing them drowning or burning as your sub goes down.

walsh2509
02-10-2005, 08:48 PM
Maybe in SH4. After all, in SH3 people asked for hanging food, and we'll have it


Hanging Food, I;ve seen the pics....

But will it disappear or will we see less of it hanging there the longer were out on patrol..

Or will it be magic food that never disappears http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

BONFLECK
02-10-2005, 11:59 PM
Careful GrayWolf3drXO,
A lot of folks here are hypersensitive about actually having any carnage in the game http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif. As if there's something gentlemen like about hurling torpedoes with 600 pound warheads at ships and sailors from a couple thousand yards away http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif. They'd rather pretend that the enemy ships were remotely piloted drones http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif. It's been said that in the game you're crew members can be shot, wounded or killed if you ended up in a fire fight on the surface with an enemy vessel. Enemy crewmembers would be shooting at you thus wounding or killing your crew. It would only make sense and add realism if you could in turn potentially wound or kill the visible crewmembers on enemy vessels wouldn't it? So sorry if I offend.............

hauitsme
02-11-2005, 12:05 AM
To really see for yourself what people around here think about the 'moral aspect', the best thing to do is read the LIFEBOAT poll thread that's been pushed back to Pg25. Go ahead and vote too!

RedTerex
02-11-2005, 12:26 AM
Its an old nutshell and one that will probably never go away...people dying in SH3 and how it should be portrayed.

Well the Development team unanimously agreed to blanket out all scenarios of a characters detailed death be it crewmen from a stricken ship or your own sub.

I would summise that you will be informed via a text message on screen that such and such has been killed, wounded etc on your sub but no visible representation of this will be visualised.

Likewise no lifeboats from shipping, or parachuting pilots from Sunderlands etc that you shoot will appear.

Its all a bit crazy in many aspects.
Its a war, people die in it.
Ubi has an Agenda, its a moral one, like it or not, people will NOT be depicted dying.
There will be NO survivors depicted visualy
Probably the worlds best ever WWII sub Sim, with outstanding realism in every area except dying.
I play First person shooters, Raven Shield, MOH to name but a few. In these games guess what...I shoot and kill people.
If you dont like war games I suggest and have suggested before that you take up gardening. I nearly suggested to Ubis dev team to do "Silent Gardening" with fully rendered Hoes, spades, wheel barrows and edge trimmers.
But decided against it !

U-551 Kapitan
02-11-2005, 04:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedTerex:
If you dont like war games I suggest and have suggested before that you take up gardening. I nearly suggested to Ubis dev team to do "Silent Gardening" with fully rendered Hoes, spades, wheel barrows and edge trimmers.
But decided against it ! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif heh, lol. The Old Folk's Sport.

bertgang
02-11-2005, 05:56 AM
I don't need a simulation like "silent gardening" as, unlike war at sea, gardening is something I really do.

Bloody details shouldn't be out of context in SHIII, but I think they aren't essential, nor welcome; a touch of realism really unpleasant for most of people.

Poacher886a
02-11-2005, 09:03 AM
People die in wars.

We see it on the news.

Everyone know's the game is about sinking ships,and killing the enemy.

We clearly have no problem with that

Its just some pixels

We do it far more graphicaly in shooter's.

stephenkcha1972
02-11-2005, 09:24 AM
At the end of the day, I do not think it is the moral element at all preventing people and lifeboats. It is simply development time. Think of the extra work that would be entailed in creating floating dead, people swimming and drowning or on fire plus work on lifeboats - all to the high standards of the visuals currently in the game. Now I think you can see the real reason it is being left out. It would be nice to have such an effect, but not essential to the game.

Lanzfeld
02-11-2005, 09:26 AM
I remember reading that we will NOT see the hanging food vanish on the longer missions.

blue_76
02-11-2005, 09:28 AM
there's one drawback to all that food hanging... i'll be eating more http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

GrayWolf3rdXO
02-11-2005, 08:04 PM
Some people could shot um if they wanted or at least try to rescue um besides therd be binafits to capuring the enemy more intell on shiping lans and what have ya so ther would be reason to save um and not to shot um.

As for bruning and killing um Il2 has that in the game and you get to wach um in the enemy view wich is neat! And they blow up after a while. Any ways thers no blood involved so I figured it would not be tohard.

Poacher886a
02-11-2005, 09:57 PM
personaly i wanted to wait until they maned there life boats then surface, and blow the **** out of them with my AA guns.
They are the enemy,
Alls fair in love and war.

BONFLECK
02-11-2005, 11:46 PM
I was dissapointed that Oleg didn't equip pilots with a side arm in the IL2 series. A: it would be nice to be able to take pot shots at the enemy pilots attempting to kill you or destroy your parachute. B: it would be nice to have the option of suicide if shot down behind enemy lines rather than risk capture/torture/prison camp etc.... It wouldn't be as scary if you were captured by the Americans or Brits, but the Russians, Germans, and Japanese internment would be a far more terrifying ordeal!

Messervy
02-12-2005, 06:46 AM
You can allways unbuckle your parachute harnes, or not pull the cord at all! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

stephenkcha1972
02-12-2005, 06:54 AM
Ok, the moral aspect - Ubi doesn't want to depict survivors because I believe the real reason is the restrictions on time to get this effect working to match the quality of the rest of the game. They do have a point though, there is a moral aspect to killing the survivors but in a game, morals don't really count for a lot when you as the player are in reality only having a bit of hand eye coordination practice. However, to make the moral point relevant to the game, shooting survivors should be possible but also have a devastating effect on your crew's moral. That should be enough to put anyone off shooting survivors plus allow us to immerse ourselves in the extra reality of seeing the consequences of our actions - whether that is the effect of us sinking ships or our AA guns on personnel.

stephenkcha1972
02-12-2005, 06:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GrayWolf3rdXO:
Some people could shot um if they wanted or at least try to rescue um besides therd be binafits to capuring the enemy more intell on shiping lans and what have ya so ther would be reason to save um and not to shot um.

As for bruning and killing um Il2 has that in the game and you get to wach um in the enemy view wich is neat! And they blow up after a while. Any ways thers no blood involved so I figured it would not be tohard. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Try speaking English, pal. This is not a forum for mobile phone text messagers so if you want to make yourself understood and increase the chances of having your messages actually read then grow up and start putting together proper sentences. If your native language is not English then I can forgive spelling mistakes but 'text messaging' on a forum is just plain lazy.

How old are you by the way? 14? If you are then I suggest you start brushing up on your language skills. If you aren't, my suggestion still remains the same.

GrayWolf3rdXO
02-12-2005, 11:54 AM
another spelling Cridick. No one else has a problem so far so just chil out and read what ya can or beter yet tell the Cape cod scolls to acualy teach kids.

As for the above ya ther is good and bad points that should affect the sub for shoting enemy sailers lefts adrift.

Like geting hunted by more enemy destroyers for the killings and worse if capchred youd be up for war crims and auto maticly end of game.

Your Hung game over.