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ulil
04-28-2010, 01:00 AM
Hi,

with the upcoming Do 217 i can find little information....
I found this site:http://web.wt.net/~kikuko/Do17depot/Do17index.htm
Will there be advantages compared to the Ju 88 ?

TinyTim
04-28-2010, 03:17 AM
Firstly, the Do-217K we are getting is equipped with a brace of much more powerful engines (a 1800hp class BMW801D - in an otherwise similar -217M version it's equipped with similarly powerful inline DB603). This gives it a considerable performance edge over the Ju-88 - max. speed of about 550kph (comared to 470 for the -88). It also should have a better range. Together with a heavier bombload these three reasons earned it a title of heavy instead of medium bomber by German standards.

Next, the Do-217K-2/3 I believe we are getting (according to the 4.10 thread), should be a specialized anti shipping variant and will have an option to carry the Hs-293 and Fritz-X anti-ship guided missiles and bombs. Forgetting for a moment utter overload in form of 2xSC2000 on Ju-88, Do-217K should have considerably heavier bomb loads compared to the Ju-88 and it should also be able to carry 4 torpedoes, not only 2.

http://www.shrani.si/f/4/gf/4u8DaYWa/do217k-1-lt-f5.jpg

Also, the defensive armament is somewhat stronger compared to the Ju-88 (but still far from US contemporaries). It should have one heavy Mg-131 with large ammosupply in each dorsal and ventral turrets, which will make fragile inline engine equipped spits and mustangs a lot more cautious when approaching. Apart from that it should have 4 more Mg-81, a twin -Z in a nose and a single one in each beam.

ulil
04-28-2010, 04:54 AM
Thank you TinyTim, exactly the Info i was looking for. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
S!

TinyTim
04-28-2010, 05:35 AM
Cheers ulil,

it appears tho I have mixed max. horizontal speed of the -K with the one of the DB603 powered -M version. The -K is somewhat slower, according to various sources on the internet between 510-530kph, which however is still impressive. I'll try to find some reliable figures from historical documents when I find time.

BTW, if language presents no barrier, there are two excellent sites to dig deeper:

http://airwar.ru/bomberww2.html in Russian (scroll down to Germany and Do-217)

http://www.deutscheluftwaffe.d...rames2/Dokumente.htm (http://www.deutscheluftwaffe.de/archiv/Dokumente/web/new%20site/frames2/Dokumente.htm) in German (pick D and then Dornier, loads of historical documents)

DKoor
04-28-2010, 05:50 AM
Yes... while modeling a Do-17 as a child http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif , I remember reading how it was a speedy monster top speed over 500kph, you can't say that about much early mediums... it will be popular plane if it ever becomes officially flyable.

Hawgdog
04-28-2010, 06:05 AM
dkoor, we have been reading the same book that talked about my childhood dream plane the stuka and its awesome power and ability to level landscapes and own the skies........
realities such a mother...

danjama
04-28-2010, 06:38 AM
I'm interested in the different loadouts. I enjoy loadouts that combine a few heavy bombs with many smaller bombs, such as 2 x 500sc and 10 x 50sc.

Any info on the loadouts they will include other than anti-shipping options?

Always a joy to get a new bomber http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

FlatSpinMan
04-28-2010, 07:13 AM
Soooo pleased we're going to have a Dornier in game soon! This has been a plane I've been wanting to shoot down for, oh, so many years now!

stalkervision
04-28-2010, 07:23 AM
Originally posted by FlatSpinMan:
Soooo pleased we're going to have a Dornier in game soon! This has been a plane I've been wanting to shoot down for, oh, so many years now!

better get your spectacle prescription renewed then. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Ba5tard5word
04-28-2010, 10:02 AM
Is this for 4.10? Is it only a Do-217? No Do-17?

Urufu_Shinjiro
04-28-2010, 12:13 PM
Originally posted by Ba5tard5word:
Is this for 4.10? Is it only a Do-217? No Do-17?

Patch 4.10 - Development Updates by Daidalos Team (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/5121031528)

VW-IceFire
04-28-2010, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by Ba5tard5word:
Is this for 4.10? Is it only a Do-217? No Do-17?
Only the Do-217. The Do-17Z was used in the Battle of Britain and thus will be showing up in Storm of War... I think there is an agreement that the Team Daidalos updates won't focus on stuff that SoW is doing initially.

I'm not sure about everyone else but I'd love to fly the Do-217 officially.

WTE_Galway
04-28-2010, 05:09 PM
the 217 was probably as close as the Germans ever got to a useful "heavy" bomber even though it only had two engines.

VW-IceFire
04-28-2010, 06:41 PM
I guess its definitely a "heavier" bomber although it seems a bit more like a B-25 than anything else which by the Allied terms is definitely a medium bomber.

Again this might be totally selfish but I'd love to be able to make use of a faster, tougher, mid range bomber with a decent payload online. Especially if it has torpedo or guided missile options.

DKoor
04-28-2010, 11:21 PM
Originally posted by Hawgdog:
dkoor, we have been reading the same book that talked about my childhood dream plane the stuka and its awesome power and ability to level landscapes and own the skies........
realities such a mother... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

TinyTim
04-29-2010, 03:12 AM
Well, a Do 217 comes in three substantionally different groups of versions.

Firstly, there is the Do 217 E, initial massively produced version. It was equipped with BMW801A and had a "classic" cockpit that reminded of the Do 17. It served mainly as a level bomber and recconaisance aircraft. In some of the subversions it was equipped with dive brakes. Only the last 70 examples built could employ precision guided munition in form of Fritz X bombs.

Next, there was a Do 217 K/M. This is the version that is being modelled for inclusion into the 4.10 upgrade. This model has a completely redesigned, full glass cockpit which reduced the drag. It was also equipped with stronger engines, giving it considerably higher top speed over the E versions. K and M versions are basically identical, they only have different engines (K had BMW801D, M had DB603).
The K-1 was a night bomber, but K-2 and K-3 were dedicated anti-shipping planes. It appears K-3 is what we are getting - besides heavy bombload or 4 torpedoes it could carry two Fritz X or Hs 293 guided bombs/missiles.

The third group of versions were the Do 217 J/N nightfighters - they used the "old" stepped cockpit and in later versions they were heavily armed - 8 Mg 151/20s in total, 4 firing forward and 4 aimed upwards as a Schraege Musik.

mortoma
05-03-2010, 10:15 AM
I hope it lands better than the JU-88 does. Both the A-20 and the Mitchell are easy and sweet to land compared to the Ju-88. But of course I realize it's possible the JU-88 was harder to land in real life. All I know is the two American mediums are a total joy to put on the ground. I can nail the middle of the runway every time and land so smoothly that I can't tell when the wheels touch, except by the sound. The JU-88 is tough to land and not look like a total noobie or something. It will be interesting to see how a Do will compare.

AndyJWest
05-03-2010, 10:57 AM
Originally posted by mortoma:
I hope it lands better than the JU-88 does. Both the A-20 and the Mitchell are easy and sweet to land compared to the Ju-88. But of course I realize it's possible the JU-88 was harder to land in real life. All I know is the two American mediums are a total joy to put on the ground. I can nail the middle of the runway every time and land so smoothly that I can't tell when the wheels touch, except by the sound. The JU-88 is tough to land and not look like a total noobie or something. It will be interesting to see how a Do will compare.

According to the TD announcement, the Do 217 will be AI only in 4.10, though I wouldn't be surprised to see it flyable later. No doubt the modders will come up with something meanwhile.

danjama
05-03-2010, 11:15 AM
Originally posted by mortoma:
I hope it lands better than the JU-88 does. Both the A-20 and the Mitchell are easy and sweet to land compared to the Ju-88. But of course I realize it's possible the JU-88 was harder to land in real life. All I know is the two American mediums are a total joy to put on the ground. I can nail the middle of the runway every time and land so smoothly that I can't tell when the wheels touch, except by the sound. The JU-88 is tough to land and not look like a total noobie or something. It will be interesting to see how a Do will compare.

You do realise the vital difference between those two aircraft and the Ju88/217, don't you?

The Ju88 is a tail dragger, those are tricycle gears.