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Monson74
04-04-2005, 01:24 PM
Fellas,

During the last couple of days I've done a little testing of the game on my system to see if I could speed things up a bit - hours spend trying different drivers & setups & all that you know - but this is besides the point: The point is that I always used the same test in the QMB: Smolensk map, Good weather, attacking armor, AAA & 1 P40b. I did get a small boost in frames but I also fell in love with this little bird. In fact I think it's one of the most interesting fighter planes of WWII. I've never really been that much into allied planes & I'm a zoomboomer by heart so it has always been either 109s or 190s - but maybe this is really not a big jump going from German fighters vs Allied ones to a P40 vs Japanese Oscars & Zekes. The tactics are the same: Keep up the speed, climb & never try to turn with the enemy. What really amazes me is how many theaters the plane served in & how underrated it was & still is. The P40 played a big role on every front except maybe the Channel fighting & was used by several nations for combat air patrol, bomber interception & ground attack. It's an underdog - it doesn't do anything a lot better than other designs but it's an all-round fighter plane that can take a beating & still make it home - & it's pretty http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

VW-IceFire
04-04-2005, 02:08 PM
I keep reading about how "bad" the P-40 was ...but several books have placed it in its proper place. It was the best thing that was available at the time and it was available in large quantities. While the P-47 and P-38 were still getting the bugs worked out, the P-40 was on the frontlines in virtually every theater of war.

Its a little gem to the people who discover it. Great little plane.

[Gypsy]
04-04-2005, 02:09 PM
Agree with all of the above....

Chuck_Older
04-04-2005, 02:20 PM
I like it OK I guess http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/coval.jpg

I have been thinking of doing an Attu and Kiska campaign, short, maybe 15-20 missions

Also, a slightly 'what-if' scenario of what would have happened if France held on a bit longer and had gotten their H81s has been interesting me lately. Played with it a bit last night. Fighting 109Es and Fs with the Hawk was fun

Tallyho1961
04-04-2005, 02:21 PM
I'm with you. I've gotten very fond of the P-40 and lately - thanks to Chuck Older's outstanding 'When Tigers Could Fly' campaign - the Hawk 81 A-2, an early P-40 version I had previously ignored.

Why the P-40? To me the Warhawk has long been the quintessential WWII a/c. I could have identified a 'Warhawk' long before any of the others. No doubt the shark mouth paintjobs have something to do with it, that sort of thing is impressive when you're a young kid.

The thing I like about the Hawk in this sim (which is equivalent to either a B or C model Warhawk, depending on which Web site or book I look at) is the extra cockpit animation - retractable hood and animated cooling shutter lever - that are not present on the later variants that came with FB and AEP. This sort of thing really increases my sense of immersion.

Anyway, I know the whole story about the P-40 not being up to par with other fighters, etc. etc., and maybe that's true, but man it's fun to fly. Easy on the eyes, too.

I also find it has the most logical instrument panel - which is one way in which the E and M variants beat the Hawk which has much harder-to-read instruments than its later brethren.

If I had one wish for the upcoming add-on it would be that the Hawk cockpit animation be added to the E and M model Warhawks. I know it's not going to happen, but that would really make my day. OK two wishes: the E and M version landing gear and flap indicator doesn't light up and I wish it would http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

PS - I just saw that Chuck is thinking about an Aleutian campaign - I vote YES to that.

civildog
04-04-2005, 02:28 PM
The early P-40's are the only reason I bought Pacific Fighters. Other than having been forced to in order to continue to play online.

I only wish that the reflector gunsights in the early versions was omitted.

Monson74
04-04-2005, 02:43 PM
Btw - Hawk vs Oscar can be quite a thrilling fight http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

han freak solo
04-04-2005, 03:33 PM
I love it. Ranks right up there with the I-16 in my favorites list. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Yeah the Ki-43s can be a thrilling opponent, just be careful of those d@mn armor skinned biplanes!! B@stards they are!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

"There goes Mr. Solo about those biplanes again! Freak!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Blackdog5555
04-04-2005, 04:21 PM
Need the the dihedral fixed..looks funny.

Chuck_Older
04-04-2005, 04:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Blackdog5555:
Need the the dihedral fixed..looks funny. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The H81A-2, P-40B and P-40C do not suffer from this planform error http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

pourshot
04-04-2005, 04:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Blackdog5555:
Need the the dihedral fixed..looks funny. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Think thats only a problem on the first p40's we got, it should have just a little.

And yes p40 rules

Jagdklinger
04-04-2005, 06:15 PM
Must admit it has a certain 'cool factor'.
Wasn't it the plane that downed half the IJN air arm in 'Pearl Harbour'? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif It doesn't fo the same thing for me in-game = has the 'glass jaw' of the 109, and a few measly 50-cals (I need the instant gratification of cannon). http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

PBNA-Boosher
04-04-2005, 06:46 PM
P-40 ROXORS!

I've said it from the start. It's one of my favs in the game.

FlatSpinMan
04-04-2005, 07:24 PM
Absolutely. Plus I have a nice NZ skin for it so that makes like this one even more.

And han freak solo - you are not alone!
BTW, Chuck, still playing WTCF and enjoying iy. Thanks again.

mortoma
04-04-2005, 09:51 PM
I wish somebody would take the wings on the early ones and put them on the E and M models.

I really don't understand how the "V" wings on the E and M versions got past Oleg's scrutiny.
Supposedly he has to have all planes perfectly modeled but boy, he sure let the E and M wings slip by!!!

Jagdklinger
04-05-2005, 12:42 AM
Interesting how the blues are leaving this thread in peace. I guess they don't feel 'threatened' by the P40...? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

dazza9806482
04-05-2005, 12:53 AM
Unfortunately I am having a bit of an IL2 hiatus. Most annoying patch isnt out because I am now need to start revising for my Law exams.

Anyhoo, last thing i was enjoying was chucks campaign, and I have to say I love the Hawk. Once u have actually got the thing in the air its a dream to fly, the roll rate is STAGGERING. I mean seriously this thing must roll faster than a FW. The matchup against equivalent Japanese planes is really tactically interesting, the Hawk is faster and can roll faster, again bit like a FW (generally)

made me check out the rest of the P40s and I like them all, in fact its actually possible to land the later models!

all a great change from the first time i attempted to use a Hawk online, couldnt even taxi the **** thing and gaveup in disgust...

Charos
04-05-2005, 12:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jagdklinger:
Interesting how the blues are leaving this thread in peace. I guess they don't feel 'threatened' by the P40...? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Only because we agree with you -- we love the P40 as well - maybe even more than you guys.

Monson74
04-05-2005, 02:45 AM
I think I need to correct myself: I said that you should avoid turning with the enemy - this is not the whole truth - you can out-turn a Zeke at high speeds. I haven't tested against Oscars yet - which btw are fun to fly too. I was actually thinking about doing an online map with Hawks vs Oscars - this would be a sort of 'Battle of Rangoon"-situation but I'm not quite sure which version of the Ki-43 I should include. There seems to be some confusion on the most common armament of this fighter - depending on the website it's either the b or c model. Could anyone clarify this for me please & would anyone be interested in playing such a setup? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

WOLFMondo
04-05-2005, 03:38 AM
I don't think the P40 is a good or bad plane, its definatly a fun plane to fly.

JG53Frankyboy
04-05-2005, 04:11 AM
i like the P-40 a lot !
reading the different Osprey Volumes about this plane are sometimes opening the eyes.
it was just funny to see 5 versions of a plane comming with PF release that actually can be used historicaly on one map for one day http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

fortunatly the ealry P-40s was extensivly used at the eastern front and the desert-that is not available for PF standalone users .

i would have only one wish in the ealry P-40. that i could fire the .50cal and .30cal seperatly. but i dont know if that would be correct.

Stonerox
04-05-2005, 04:15 AM
I think the P-40 (any model) is a classy gal.
This is the plane I find myself doing missions for, it's just plain fun to fly - on any mission, and in any theatre

It's a love affair http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

fherathras
04-05-2005, 01:30 PM
i like the "field-mod" type best.


because thats the only plane with truly unsycronized .50`s http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



AND! it has rockets

Copperhead310th
04-05-2005, 08:52 PM
Amazing what you can do with a P-40 ain't it. lol

http://invisionfree.com/forums/310th_VFBG/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=828530

Sabla
04-05-2005, 09:41 PM
P-40's are just plane(pun intended)cool cuz my ole' man worked on them as a Crew Chief... (and still alive at 87!!)
He also worked on P-51b's, P47D's, B-25c's and an occasional P-38 or the many C-47's or C-46's that flew "The Hump" in the CBI theater.
I have his originalmaintenance manual for a B-25c (It is kind of fun reading stuff that is marked as "Secret Documentation")
The pic below is a sample of a few of the very same P-47's in his fighter group, though a different squadron, they were side-by-side during the entire war.

Copperhead310th
04-05-2005, 10:26 PM
My grandfather (now 85 or 86) was in the CBI
as the flight enginer on a B-24C-109 tanker hauling fuel over the "Hump" for the b-29's.
quite a few camels on the libby he was a crew member of. He said that he had the chance to work on a lot of those same planes. and then worked on F-86's in Osan, Korea after WWII.

RAAF_Edin
04-06-2005, 03:15 AM
Do I love the P-40??? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif


Most certainly!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

HotelBushranger
04-06-2005, 03:42 AM
P-40 IS ALL TIME FAVOURITE http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

This bird has such a history to it, it served with high distinction in the Pacific, in North Africa, in the Med, in Europe, in Russia, the list goes on. It's a true workhorse, and for once I gotta thank the Yanks on such a fine plane. Its a beauty to fly, both beginner easy and complicated for the P-40 aces (me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif lol), is easy to get out of stalls, has good armament, bl00dy sturdy; got into a dogfight with 6 Zeros, made it home in one peice! and had the gratification of seeing all the Zeros either kill themselves or get downed by friendly AAA http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
It could move when you wanted it to, and could get the job down; Grp Capt Clive Caldwell shot down Luftwaffe ace Hans-Arnold Stahlschmidt, downing him in flames. He had pulled the Kittyhawks in a vertical position, and fired just one burst http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It was used in many roles, including fighter and ground attack, was even used as dive bombers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Could carry a substantial payload, and

above all else

is soooo pretty

How can you say no to this baby?
http://img175.exs.cx/img175/5000/how1qp.jpg

DeerHunterUK
04-06-2005, 05:06 AM
A little P-40 fact for you Hawk fans...
35 RAF & Commonwealth pilots scored 5 or more kills in P-40s. Not too shabby for an aircraft considered behind the times by many.

HotelBushranger
04-06-2005, 07:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>A little P-40 fact for you Hawk fans...
35 RAF & Commonwealth pilots scored 5 or more kills in P-40s. Not too shabby for an aircraft considered behind the times by many. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, the RAAF's greatest ace, Clive Caldwell scored most of his kills on P-40's, on both C's and E's. When he moved to Spits in 44, he only got 8 kills in total with it, IIRC.

KGr.HH-Sunburst
04-06-2005, 07:49 AM
nice to see a few more P40 fans besides me..
its all i fly in GG on early war maps

although its inferior to all LW planes in the same year and it doesnt climb nor has the speed
it sure has roll and dive..and **** i do love it so http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif
one of the few planes with a real character
and by far the best looking early warbird http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Copperhead310th
04-06-2005, 07:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KGr.HH-Sunburst:
nice to see a few more P40 fans besides me..
its all i fly in GG on early war maps

although its inferior to all LW planes in the same year and it doesnt climb nor has the speed
it sure has roll and dive..and **** i do love it so http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif
one of the few planes with a real character
and by far the best looking early warbird http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not trying to be a troll here....

but i'm going to argue that point Sunburst.
Just ask JV44 what a few good p-40's can do in the right hands. we faught them to a stand still in p-40s in our 3 round scrim with them. the P-40 is an even match to all LW Aircraft of the same year. and in some ways it is supierior. While i'll gladly give the edge in fire power to the LW planes in '41 & 42....the over all perfomance is too well matched to call the P-40 inferior. Surely in all honesty your playing favorights there. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
The p-40 series is for the most part (IMO) the most accuratly depicted USAAF aircraft in the sim. and it took MANY patches to get it right.

but in all fairness the 109F-4 is a tough bird to tangle with in the 40. in 1 on 1 combat it's difficult to beat the F4 for the warhawk pilot.
But not impossible as you would sugest. Further more in Squad combat....the p-40 has the absolute edge. Typical of most US designs it can do all things well. T&B is no problem if you mind your E and keep the speed up, B&Z from 2ooo meters is not a problem and the p-40 excells in the roll, and for ground attack you have a fairly bomb load avalible for that early stage of the war.
the P-40 is very well rounded. and not in the least bit Inferior to anything the Luftwaffels have in the same year.

Vipez-
04-07-2005, 05:00 AM
p40 is probably my favourite allied rair..

AS for P40, it will get harder for Warhwawks after 4.0, when german 20mm will do MUCH more damage http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif F-4 will become deadly opponent for the warhawk...

Monson74
04-07-2005, 05:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vipez-:
p40 is probably my favourite allied rair..

AS for P40, it will get harder for Warhwawks after 4.0, when german 20mm will do MUCH more damage http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif F-4 will become deadly opponent for the warhawk... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I guess I'll just have to try keeping the F4 in front of me then http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

JG53Frankyboy
04-07-2005, 05:09 AM
the early P-40s have already a very strange DM , shoot with an Oscar from deadsix at it , mostly the engine stoppes running http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

BSS_Goat
04-07-2005, 06:09 AM
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KGr.HH-Sunburst
04-07-2005, 07:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KGr.HH-Sunburst:
nice to see a few more P40 fans besides me..
its all i fly in GG on early war maps

although its inferior to all LW planes in the same year and it doesnt climb nor has the speed
it sure has roll and dive..and **** i do love it so http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif
one of the few planes with a real character
and by far the best looking early warbird http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not trying to be a troll here....

but i'm going to argue that point Sunburst.
Just ask JV44 what a few good p-40's can do in the right hands. we faught them to a stand still in p-40s in our 3 round scrim with them. the P-40 is an even match to all LW Aircraft of the same year. and in some ways it is supierior. While i'll gladly give the edge in fire power to the LW planes in '41 & 42....the over all perfomance is too well matched to call the P-40 inferior. Surely in all honesty your playing favorights there. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
The p-40 series is for the most part (IMO) the most accuratly depicted USAAF aircraft in the sim. and it took MANY patches to get it right.

but in all fairness the 109F-4 is a tough bird to tangle with in the 40. in 1 on 1 combat it's difficult to beat the F4 for the warhawk pilot.
But not impossible as you would sugest. Further more in Squad combat....the p-40 has the absolute edge. Typical of most US designs it can do all things well. T&B is no problem if you mind your E and keep the speed up, B&Z from 2ooo meters is not a problem and the p-40 excells in the roll, and for ground attack you have a fairly bomb load avalible for that early stage of the war.
the P-40 is very well rounded. and not in the least bit Inferior to anything the Luftwaffels have in the same year. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

sorry copper but i think you missed my point
what im saying is that 1vs1 on equal terms both with the same skilled pilots the P40 has little chance vs F4/G2, not to mention the 190 which is by far superior in speed, dive, roll and climb
the P40E/M doesnt hold its E quite aswell and cannot match the 109s disco stall moves in a close in DF, the only thing where the P40 has an edge is in high speed roll and 6 .50cals

but i agree on the point that the P40 is very dangerous in the right hands and a very good team plane

im saying all of this because i fly the P40 all the time, and i im pretty good in it