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Schlum66
12-07-2005, 05:33 AM
Is this the best and most popular WW2 flight sim out there, or is Aces High or Warbird more popular?

Just wondering, since you need to buy 3 different CD´s to get started with this one, so I guess the recruitment is pretty slow...

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Dunkelgrun
12-07-2005, 05:34 AM
Yes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Just check the number of people who have been here since the original IL-2 was released, and who have never left.

Cheers!

HotelBushranger
12-07-2005, 05:35 AM
Il2 all the way mate, seriously.

Low_Flyer_MkII
12-07-2005, 05:37 AM
What's the alternative? Seriously.

neural_dream
12-07-2005, 05:37 AM
It's by far the best. I don't know how popular comparing to AH and Warbird, probably more. If you have all five CDs (Forgotten battles, Aces expansion, Pacific Fighters) online you can find 400-1200 people any time. If not then few. As a community it is one of the best you'll find in a game.

ploughman
12-07-2005, 05:39 AM
This is the best, don't know about most popular though. You can get started with just one CD Il2- Sturmovik and if you like then invest in the rest and the free downloads, patches, and upgrades that have brought us to where we are today. There's supposed to be another big download coming soon with some tasty planes, further refinements to the flight models and so on.

If you're serious and sufficiently manly to enforce your will on your spouse, you can blow many dollars on peripherals such as pedals, track IR etc to enhance your immersion.

What ever you do, do not buy CFS3. Many of us here did and it's only good for coasters.

XyZspineZyX
12-07-2005, 05:45 AM
Yes, I believe this is the best WW2 flightsim. I bought & played EAW after I bought IL2, bad move, EAW is now gone (got the BOE addon for IL2, good move) There is not a WW2 flight sim out there in the same class or with the same continues support from the sim developers

danjama
12-07-2005, 06:17 AM
Originally posted by Dunkelgrun:
Yes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Just check the number of people who have been here since the original IL-2 was released, and who have never left.

Cheers!

Not just the Oldies! We're gettin new blood all the time! Its great to see so many new people coming in after all this time! Speaks alot for the game IMO.

Dimensionaut_
12-07-2005, 06:43 AM
You don't need to buy three CD's
Only Forgotten Battles or only Pacific Fighters would be enough to have a playable version.
The Ace Expansion Pack needs Forgotten Battles though.

Fact is only that the people playing on-line all use the three of them.

And even with only one of the two you have quite a lot flyable aircraft. With all of them you have over 100!
The game is allready over 4 years old and it's progressed since then. That is why you can buy more CD's. But the first ones are pretty cheap allready...

rnzoli
12-07-2005, 07:46 AM
Originally posted by Schlum66:
I guess the recruitment is pretty slow...

Maybe so, but the churn is even slower. This sim is dangrously addictive because of its historical accuracy, good flight modelling, amazing graphics, and a cheat-free online community.

Many people spend lots of time and/or money throughout the years only to get a few scores once in a while. What is this, if not addiction? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

T_O_A_D
12-07-2005, 07:59 AM
Yes I admit my addiction http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

It started in the fall of 2000 with the original demo.

I flew other flight sims before, and I admit to going back to them time to time, only to try and recuite, old friends from years gone by. How painful it is to play the others, in this manner.

I have officially gave that act up. I have written off, those soals that don't, and won't fly IL2, as casualties of war. I'll not fly in another reenactment battle again. Aslong as the real war is fighting over here. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Armhunter
12-07-2005, 10:30 AM
I have tried also to get my friends from playing Aces and to come over to IL2, but they wont budge. They saw my screenshots and are amazed at the graphics, but wont budge at all.

What do you think is the main cause of them not wanting to move over?

Fear of change?
Maybe IL2 is too hard?
what else?

I have tried Aces high and thought of it more as an Arcade then a sim... A shoot and respon kind of game.. it was very borring to me...

Unknown_Target
12-07-2005, 10:44 AM
It is definately the most popular, and probably the best, but there are several others out there you should try, including the original IL-2 game. There's still a small following on that game on Hyperlobby daily, and it's so small that you're bound to make some friends http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The only other game I'd recommend is Jane's WW2 Fighters. Out of the box it's not particularly realistic, but check out some of the user-made addons: I'm not exagerrating when I say the game looks as good as IL-2 now. I think the website is Jane's WW2 Fighters Net or something like that - you'll have to search around for it though. It's nowhere near as popular as IL-2, but it's still good http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

EDIT: Found it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://www.ww2fighters.org. Check out the screenshots section in the community forum for some good shots http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

mellowmedic
12-07-2005, 11:58 AM
Wow, is it really that long ago? I can still remember my first attempts at taking off in an O.Maddox MkI P-39 something in driving rain.
My old Copy of CFS2 dissappeared from my hard drive not long after.
MM

crazyivan1970
12-07-2005, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by Schlum66:
Is this the best and most popular WW2 flight sim out there, or is Aces High or Warbird more popular?

Just wondering, since you need to buy 3 different CD´s to get started with this one, so I guess the recruitment is pretty slow...

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I didn`t know that Warbirds or Aces High were flight sims http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Lucius_Esox
12-07-2005, 12:15 PM
Simply the best,,, and yes I am addicted http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


My enjoyment of this sim is probably unheathy!!

polak5
12-07-2005, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by Dunkelgrun:

Just check the number of people who have been here since the original IL-2 was released, and who have never left.

Cheers!

I have been playing since lat 2003 but didint sign up for the forums until this year http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

This is the best ur gona find btw, get it and u wont regret it

Stigler_9_JG52
12-07-2005, 12:56 PM
Most popular? Undoubtedly.

Best? That one's pretty dicey...depends on how you define superiority over any others. If you measure primarily by graphics, yes, IL-2 is the best.

Measuring by flight modeling accuracy, or game design/structure, or community...I'd think there would be rivals to the throne.

VF-51-Dart
12-07-2005, 01:27 PM
Coming from many years of simming in AW and WBs I can honestly say this is the best ever IMO, hands down. When our squad moved here at the begining of this sim from WBs we never looked back. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Bearcat99
12-07-2005, 06:40 PM
Originally posted by Schlum66:
Is this the best and most popular WW2 flight sim out there, or is Aces High or Warbird more popular?
Just wondering, since you need to buy 3 different CD´s to get started with this one, so I guess the recruitment is pretty slow...

I dont know about most popular because I havent given the others enough time to see just how many are there flying them but as far as the best? ABSOLUTELY!! Hands down. As for recruitment being slow? Well I dont know.... there are more and more people coming here every day. As newer PCs come out with more power and yesterday's blazing gaming rig becomes todays average rig.. more and more simmers are going to discover that they can run this thing.. and run it well.. and that it is an AWESOME product. Keep in mind that this engine is what..? 6 years old if you take the pre release time into consideration... at least. It is STILL a viable engine and there is none better AFAIC... We get new people in here everyday.
The major obstacle to new blood in this sim is either people have sub par rigs and they cant run it like it needs to be run, or they have some preconcieved notion based on hearsay or whatever... and havent given the sim a shot. I would dare to say that any real simmer with a capable PC who installs this sim and runs it successfully gets hooked. The sim sells itself. It is only the people who have been burned by other sims (or PC games in general) or are so hooked on the comraderie that they have in thier current sim of choice that they just cant see leaving and dont give it a shot.. who are still on the fence.


Originally posted by Serval_1JaVA:
You don't need to buy three CD's
Only Forgotten Battles or only Pacific Fighters would be enough to have a playable version.
The Ace Expansion Pack needs Forgotten Battles though.

Fact is only that the people playing on-line all use the three of them.

And even with only one of the two you have quite a lot flyable aircraft. With all of them you have over 100!
The game is allready over 4 years old and it's progressed since then. That is why you can buy more CD's. But the first ones are pretty cheap allready...

Not so!!! I know a lot of people who mainly fly offline and have all 3 releases.... it isnt just for online purposes that all 3 are a must.. it is because the sim is WORTH EVERY PENNY and anyone with even the slightest itch for simming, a halfway decent computer, a little patience and an open mind will see that whether they fly offline or online. I would be curious to go to Warbirds, Fighter Ace, Aces High and CFS and find out how many of the flyers there gave this series 2 weeks. I bet you would find very few who did. Especially the pay to fly guys..... LMAO... They PAY MONEY to fly in Warbirds,FA or Aces High.. when they could be flying in HL for FREE!!! LMAO!!!! They cant be that stuipid so it is just a matter of them not knowing... for whatever reason. Believe it or not htere are STILL people who see this sim and think Russian sim.... or read some review somewhere and because the writer failed to read the readme or give the sim time....and panned it... they say "Oh no.. not for me!!" Then there of course are some who just want something else.. they want to be able to make thier own planes and such or drive tanks and ships etc... and thats cool.... Me?? I like the virtual flying so I am here.
The ones who gave it two weeks are still here. The thing that attracts most of us to it also drives some away... they try to take off or yank and bank and they find that they have to actually DO something... and they immediately say the fault is with the sim. Not so. If I thought like that I would have given up in that first week. If a person can make it through the first two weeks of flying this sim for at least an hour a day with frames in the 20s-30s or better and settings on excellent... they are hooked. HOOOKED BABY!!! Next thing you know they are thinking to themselves... "OoooOooOO I think I want a throttle.... a Track IR.... some pedals.... more RAM..... a better video card..OoOOooOOOOOo I want mOOOOOOORE!!" LMAO.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif and then it begins..... in a year they will be here waiting with baited breath for BoB..... gauranteed.

Stoyanov
12-08-2005, 03:50 AM
I moved to Il-2 from WB too, but I miss some of the gameplay that WB had, scenarios, 100 people on 1 server, big bomber raids and so on, but in every other aspect Il-2 is the best WWII flight sim ever /graphics, Fm, DM and so on/.

Bearcat99
12-08-2005, 10:23 AM
Originally posted by Stoyanov:
I moved to Il-2 from WB too, but I miss some of the gameplay that WB had, scenarios, 100 people on 1 server, big bomber raids and so on, but in every other aspect Il-2 is the best WWII flight sim ever /graphics, Fm, DM and so on.

That is the bottom line.... all those bells and whistles dont mean jackif the sim itself is not up to par.

Skycat_2
12-08-2005, 01:40 PM
I don't know if this means anything, but:

1. Go to SimHQ (http://www.simhq.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi) and look at the forums ... there are no Aces High or Warbirds discussion areas. Next, browse through the discussions; among the WWII air combat sims, the IL-2 series still has more posts each day than the other sims combined.

2. Go to Hyperlobby (http://hyperfighter.sk/), the multiplayer area that serves a variety of air combat sims. Glance at who is playing what. At the moment I'm typing this, there are 843 people playing Forgotten Battles (as combined trilogy?), 8 playing Pacific Fighters and 8 playing IL-2 Sturmovik. "Lock On" is the only other significant sim with 52 players; all other air sims (including European Air War, Wings Over Vietnam, F/A-18, Jane's WWII Fighters, and the CFS series) have a grand total of 4 players.

3. WarBirds costs you $14 a month in subscription fees. Aces High (http://www.hitechcreations.com/frindex.html) is $15 a month. That's $56 to $60 to play for four months. In comparison, FB Gold Pack was available for $30, and PF is $20 in most places. UbiSoft doesn't charge to use its server and Hyperlobby is free also. The upcoming Platinum Pack that will have the whole series on one DVD may make FB/AEP/PF even more affordable than buying it on separate CD-ROMs.

4. As far as I know, WarBirds and Aces High don't have offline campaigns.

(Edit: I may have to download some of these games to see what 'free' gets me. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

Skycat_2
12-08-2005, 02:49 PM
The Warbirds system costs $13 just to download the games. I'll pass on that ...

I just installed Aces High II because it is free. Now I know it's not meant to be played in Single Player mode, but at least I got a taste of the action. I don't like what I tried. It feels like a mod for "Fighter Squadron: Screamin' Demons Over Europe." That's just my opinion though.

Old_Canuck
12-08-2005, 11:05 PM
It's the best - "37 fanboys" can't be wrong.

Markku38
12-09-2005, 12:45 AM
As Bearcat says: "Give 2 weeks and you hooked!!!"

I remember when plays CFS3 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif and think about to buy IL-2.. and then I did.

Then buy FB etc. etc. and here I am, waiting BoB and building new rig http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

After bought FB it started... new processor, graphic gard, monitor, sound card, pedals, joystick, throttle... and again it started http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

And I'm offliner http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif but some day come to online.. maybe http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

fighter_966
12-09-2005, 01:24 AM
THE BEST!!

Stoyanov
12-09-2005, 06:24 AM
When i said that i moved from WB to Il-2 it was 3 years ago and I was playing the good old WB 2,and u didnt have to pay for it because it was free here :

http://www.wbfree.net

Don't talk about something that u dont know. Check this site and the forum and Im sure that some of you will be very surprised how many people are still flying this game from 1995 with her outdated graphics. Il-2 still cant provide such a gameplay, there are a few bombers here (check this http://www.wbfree.net/rps/), and I donk know what rig u need to host 100 player server in Il-2http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Bearcat99
12-09-2005, 06:34 AM
Originally posted by Stoyanov:

Il-2 still cant provide such a gameplay, there are a few bombers here (check this http://www.wbfree.net/rps/), and I donk know what rig u need to host 100 player server in Il-2http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Probably a CRAY.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

VF-51-Dart
12-09-2005, 08:39 AM
Oh please. Give me a break. Granted 2.7 was the best of WBs, but that is sooooo out dated. And who cares if there are 100 players on a server in that version?! It still can't render more than 32 planes at any one time! Nope, still none better than this sim IMO.


Originally posted by Stoyanov:
When i said that i moved from WB to Il-2 it was 3 years ago and I was playing the good old WB 2,and u didnt have to pay for it because it was free here :

http://www.wbfree.net

Don't talk about something that u dont know. Check this site and the forum and Im sure that some of you will be very surprised how many people are still flying this game from 1995 with her outdated graphics. Il-2 still cant provide such a gameplay, there are a few bombers here (check this http://www.wbfree.net/rps/), and I donk know what rig u need to host 100 player server in Il-2http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif