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Von_Rat
09-20-2005, 12:44 PM

Von_Rat
09-20-2005, 12:44 PM
should jets that actually flew during ww2, p80, me262, he162, be allowed on at least one map, on non arcade servers

NorrisMcWhirter
09-20-2005, 12:51 PM
You should modify your poll to 'yes..but only if they flew in combat during WW2'

Then I'd vote yes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ta,
Norris

BSS_Goat
09-20-2005, 12:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
You should modify your poll to 'yes..but only if they flew in combat during WW2'

Then I'd vote yes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ta,
Norris </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Or 'Yes... but only if they flew in the numbers they flew in combat during WW2'

CUJO_1970
09-20-2005, 01:02 PM
Hmmm...this thread reminded me that it sure would be nice to have an Ar-234 Blitz.

And I would like to see just one map in the WarClouds rotation that included the Me-262.

I never get to fly it online.

Tvrdi
09-20-2005, 01:08 PM
yes BUT,...

1) jets which saw action (in considerable numbers) should be in any late war server, but only after Olegs implement of test runways with limited plane types (with limited numbers of particular fighter types on disposal)...

2) jets which never saw action should be on separate server...

jimDG
09-20-2005, 01:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Von_Rat:
should jets that actually flew during ww2, p80, me262, he162, be allowed on at least one map, on non arcade servers </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

5) yes, with 500m to 1500m cloud cover, and lots of ground targets.

NorrisMcWhirter
09-20-2005, 01:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_Goat:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
You should modify your poll to 'yes..but only if they flew in combat during WW2'

Then I'd vote yes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ta,
Norris </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Or 'Yes... but only if they flew in the numbers they flew in combat during WW2' </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh goody! Can we put quotas on P38L late then? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ta,
Norris

LEXX_Luthor
09-20-2005, 01:19 PM
I suggest using medium size maps, with the distant airfields on the map edge having jets only, thus forcing the Jet Set to fly long distances to the dogfight.

Possibly a better working idea...make jet-only airfields but place them at the front -- close to the enemy airfields -- thus increasing the chance to vulch them on takeoff in a Hristorically correct manner. The advantage to this idea is the more realistically placed (prop) airfields contain only prop planes, and the prop planes can take off and fly forward to the battle area and fly cover for the more vulnerably placed jet airfields.

I hope this can offer some historically flavoured disadvantages to jets.

Ankanor
09-20-2005, 01:36 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif <span class="ev_code_RED">ACHTUNG MINEN</span> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

The Napalm carriers are on the way, be advised. Bring on the Azbestos. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

BSS_Goat
09-20-2005, 01:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
Oh goody! Can we put quotas on P38L late then? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ta,
Norris </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Sure. Historical numbers and percentages for all!!

p1ngu666
09-20-2005, 01:55 PM
blue fliers fed up of 2 fighters that cant catch the mkIII? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

OMK_Hand
09-20-2005, 02:22 PM
On Servers that rotate through a selection of maps, would there be any harm in including a jets-only map?

Maybe YP-80 and Bl-1 vs. everything else?

Would make a change, and be fun for one map...

F19_Olli72
09-20-2005, 02:25 PM
I cant help to wonder who the guy is that enforces this 'prohibition' of jets on servers? I mean, if you put jets on a server will this guy show up on your doorstep and physically stop you from adding them?
http://www.monodam.com/2002Halloween/images/026%20Lucky%20nerd.jpg

In short, jets are already allowed on servers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

TheGozr
09-20-2005, 02:41 PM
I had made a server before for only late and jets war. but nobody cared, so too bad.

Grey_Mouser67
09-20-2005, 03:03 PM
They are allowed on servers...last time I checked anyways.

Question is, will you get anyone to fight against in that server if you allow them?

Probably if it is one map and there is a limit to the number...stick with Me262 only. I know I've flown on a couple of servers with jets but the red team often leaves if there are too many of them...just not much fun if you are playing the role of self propelled target drone.

I've flown them and the 262 is litterally untouchable if you fly it fast. Not much fun to fight against at all. Now make the server 30 red vs. 5 blue jets and it might get interesting.

Kuna15
09-20-2005, 03:15 PM
I voted "don't care" option.
Nothing that ShVAK can't deal with. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cajun76
09-20-2005, 03:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Von_Rat:
should jets that actually flew during ww2, p80, me262, he162, be allowed on at least one map, on non arcade servers </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Any map with jets that are mainly engaging in A2A combat with fighters will meet your definition of arcade server. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Bearcat99
09-20-2005, 03:25 PM
Id say yes.. if that's what the host wants..... c'mon for cryin out loud. If you don't want jets then dont fly in servers that have them or host your own server and dont put them in.. it's as simple as that. This poll is right up there..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

arcadeace
09-20-2005, 03:46 PM
I haven€t flown online but even if I did I can€t imagine I€d care. Who ever runs a server should do as they please.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TheGozr:
I had made a server before for only late and jets war. but nobody cared, so too bad. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

p1ngu666
09-20-2005, 04:06 PM
whoever gets 262 onto warclouds, will be hero of teh luftwaffles. be sure http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

3.JG51_BigBear
09-20-2005, 04:22 PM
There used to be a great map for Warclouds, or Greatergreen, I can't remember, that had P-80s supplemented by late war red planes and then ME-262s as attack aircraft, He-162s as escorts and 190Ds as airifeld cover. It was actually a heck of a lot of fun and very well balanced as it turned out. I think the thing that really evened things out was that the Me262s had to attack very well defended ships using skip bombing which was really difficult at such high rates of closure and the affinity the jets have for catching on fire.

p1ngu666
09-20-2005, 04:25 PM
262 used tobe great at that actully, due to massive speed alot of flak misses u, much more than normal http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

VW-IceFire
09-20-2005, 04:27 PM
Wait till my SWOTL map graces UK-D http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

WOLFMondo
09-20-2005, 04:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tvrdi:
yes BUT,...

1) jets which saw action (in considerable numbers) should be in any late war server, but only after Olegs implement of test runways with limited plane types (with limited numbers of particular fighter types on disposal)...

2) jets which never saw action should be on separate server... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

LStarosta
09-20-2005, 07:07 PM
Too much lag.

Von_Rat
09-20-2005, 09:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
Too much lag. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

old myth, no longer true, if ever.

Badsight.
09-20-2005, 10:41 PM
it was never true for the 262 , its a running gag between freinds Von_Rat

jet combat is the opposite of what Prop warbird fans like to engage in , you dont include the Me-262 into a DF map because of fun

BaldieJr
09-20-2005, 11:26 PM
Balogna.

Fun is catching one of those flying hairdryers on landing and ruining his big points-run... while flying and I-153.

I cought one loud-mouth in this way and lemme tell ya, it great fun.

Most people don't like challenges. Thats prolly why they fly desks instead of real planes.

Tvrdi
09-21-2005, 01:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tvrdi:
yes BUT,...

1) jets which saw action (in considerable numbers) should be in any late war server, but only after Olegs implement of test runways with limited plane types (with limited numbers of particular fighter types on disposal)...

2) jets which never saw action should be on separate server... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

???

Mondo, you forgot to take your Viagra last night?

Tvrdi
09-21-2005, 01:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tvrdi:
yes BUT,...

1) jets which saw action (in considerable numbers) should be in any late war server, but only after Olegs implement of test runways with limited plane types (with limited numbers of particular fighter types on disposal)...

2) jets which never saw action should be on separate server... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

???

Mondo, you forgot to take your Viagra last night?

Cajun76
09-21-2005, 02:40 AM
Tvrdi, that means he agrees with you. It's also self-depreciating on his part, because he jokingly insults you, while agreeing with the very thing you posted.

Your missing the other half of the joke, it should look more like two guys wearing shirts that say:



I'm with stupid -&gt; &lt;- I'm with stupid

WOLFMondo
09-21-2005, 02:48 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

I guess that joke is running thinhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Yes Tvrdi, I agree with your statement and I hope Oleg puts the test runways in cause I do want to fight and fly jets, just not a whole server full of them.

LeadSpitter_
09-21-2005, 03:48 AM
what mondo said, i wouldnt mind seeing them but if we had 2 types of test runways

one with 2 bornplaces

one with 4 bornplaces

It can be used as well for both sides making the majority of the western front servers p51d p47d vs 109g6 190a8 like the majority which was flown in 44-45

then limit the latewar doras 190d ta152 109k4 g14 me262 p-38 late etc.

Maybe some df missions force people into flying more bombers then over fighters which is rarely seen online.

It would be nice if oleg let us have ai planes in dogfight servers as well, certain maps have v2s which are ai controlled respawn after destroyed i dont see how a group of b17s couldnt be added like that for scripted dogfight servers and many other types of ai to keep online play more interesting for the dogfight scripted deathkick stat servers.

now only if the me262 had correct slow accelaration, poor handling characteristics low and high speed, fires that dont instantly go out 3 times in less then 2 seconds and last smoking for a good 15 minutes then the 3rd fire explodes the wing off, a better climb then dive speed and correct performance highalt with reduced trottle above 6000m performance.

for a 32+ player server that would be more the ok in my book but im sure the moderators of servers would boot people purposely to get the jets.

Badsight.
09-21-2005, 03:54 AM
i fly the 262 every day<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
now only if the me262 had correct slow accelaration </div></BLOCKQUOTE>it does , especially from 200 to 300 = low speed , its relative to how it accelrates at higher speeds = over 350 kmh = not slow speed

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
fires that dont instantly go out 3 times in less then 2 seconds and last smoking for a good 15 minutes then the 3rd fire explodes the wing off, a better climb then dive speed and correct performance highalt with reduced trottle above 6000m performance.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>well i dont know what you mean about reduced throttle for over 6K , but the fires lasting 15 minutes i do

fires work in stages in the 262 , & their is more than one kind , to get a motor to be smoked & for it to last requires it to never have fired in the first place - just for the motor to be smoked which is possible , no motor fire on the 262 will go out & let you fly for another 15 minutes

the third "re-fire" its all over , wing off , bail or die

Tully__
09-21-2005, 04:25 AM
It's entirely up to the server admin. If he wants his server used he'll quickly work out what works and what doesn't with regard to available aircraft.

F19_Ob
09-21-2005, 05:14 AM
The standard problem with the jets is that all the german are better than allied, and usually much better armed aswell. this should be the main reason why they usually are absent.
So the only problem with jets is if one side get only underpowered rides that cant catch the jets and are underarmed.
Balanced planesetting is not a problem particular to jets though. Ultimately the serverkeeper should decide.

WOLFMondo
09-21-2005, 05:22 AM
The only allied Jet available doesn't shouldn't be in any western front map.

I'm happy to fight 262's the way the RAF and USAAF did, in Mustangs, Tempests, P47's and Spitfires.

Read up on 'Rat Catching' to see how the RAF 2nd TAF caught 262's which did low level raids on RAF airfields in France, Holland and Germany in 44/45.

alert_1
09-21-2005, 05:41 AM
IMO, jet should be allowe on late war maps, but only those that really flown combat sorties (that's actually only one in FP planseset, Me262) BUT only unde folowing conditions:
1/ vulching allowed
2/ big map, so jets would actually have to fly some distance
3/ only one base for jets on the map

jimDG
09-21-2005, 11:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by alert_1:
IMO, jet should be allowe on late war maps, but only those that really flown combat sorties (that's actually only one in FP planseset, Me262) BUT only unde folowing conditions:
1/ vulching allowed
2/ big map, so jets would actually have to fly some distance
3/ only one base for jets on the map </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

thats actually quite a cool idea

HellToupee
09-21-2005, 02:52 PM
just have all ground targets at the me262 base so allied guys just have to fly their and vulch it, me262s have a hard time downing fighters and vise versa so it evens out.

Tvrdi
09-21-2005, 03:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

I guess that joke is running thinhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Yes Tvrdi, I agree with your statement and I hope Oleg puts the test runways in cause I do want to fight and fly jets, just not a whole server full of them. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mondo sorry for my misunderstanding... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

btw, Oleg posted here that he asked his main programmer for this after me and Lead asked for that....but no promise from him it would happen....I think it could bring to us another touch of RL in dogs, really...but Im not sure well get this...

alert_1
09-21-2005, 03:20 PM
also airstart for P47&P51 at 8000m would simulate real late war situation http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

NorrisMcWhirter
09-21-2005, 06:02 PM
As would VVS parking their planes in neat rows for easy destruction in early war scenarios.

I doubt either will happen http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ta,
Norris

Hawgdog
09-21-2005, 10:08 PM
good plane set match ups, yes, jets are good. I've been shot down flying uber jets and I've shot down jets in both a p51 and especially the La7

Badsight.
09-21-2005, 11:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Ob:
The standard problem with the jets is that all the german are better than allied </div></BLOCKQUOTE>none have the DF ability that the P-80 has

what it cant out-turn (Go-229) it can out E-fight

even if i dont go online , i at least fly 2 jet missions ive had since AEP , a bomber kill & another intercept superiority scramble each night