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Kaleun1961
11-29-2007, 01:10 PM
Just saw this article and thought I'd share it here. I have no personal experience with Vista and have heard more bad things than good about it. My own take is that I will get it only when XP is no longer available on any new system I may purchase. Which would most likely be a notebook PC, as I intend to custom build my own desktop systems from now forward.

XP Outperforms Vista (http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=204203975)

U301
11-29-2007, 02:40 PM
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KUrtz

klcarroll
11-29-2007, 02:57 PM
Well, ...To be honest, ....I have yet to hear a positive opinion expressed about Vista! (Except maybe from the people who sell memory! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif)

klcarroll

Messervy
11-29-2007, 04:55 PM
I have Vista on my Laptop.
It does the job,while the other copy intended for my Heavy Duty machine resides on a shelf.

My first expression was:

Nothing else than overly complicated XP with a face lift.
The only thing I realy like is a snippet tool.

VikingGrandad
11-29-2007, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by Messervy:
The only thing I realy like is a snippet tool.

I've not used Vista, but I have an excellent freeware utility called MWSnap for XP that seems to do most of what Vista's snippet tool does:

http://www.mirekw.com/winfreeware/mwsnap.html

Amongst other things, I use MWSnap to take SH3 screenshots.

Messervy
11-29-2007, 05:18 PM
Ahhh...VG...You are a gift from gods and a disgrace to Vista. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Thank You for that link. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Now you have successfully eradicated the only Vista pron I have found.

bunkerratt
11-29-2007, 06:07 PM
i really enjoy having my copy of xp pro on disk http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Kaiser_W
11-30-2007, 12:47 AM
I'm no computer whizz, but I've called Vista, 'broken windows' from the beginning. When most entry level computer are equipped with a memory of 512 and vista requires 1024 seemed like a red flag. Not to mention the compatibility issues.

Mittelwaechter
11-30-2007, 08:06 AM
Mr. Bates at the 2008 Detroit Motor Show:
"In our new car - codename: Stubborn - all six passengers sit beside the driver. This feature rises their self-confidence and will shorten the way to their destinations. The drivers position is in the middle of the new "Soft-Sec-Sofa" (TM) to ensure international compatibility. The futuristic threewheeler passengercabin (FTWPC) design enables you to use existing tires of your present car. Our awarded mobility concept is outstanding: the engine is in a detachable second coach (DSC) running on only two wheels. Imagine to leave it at home when you don't need it! That's what we call environmental protection. And the best of all: our premium DSC (pDSC) is capable to attach the twin FTWPC (codename: DIO) via robust MioDIO 3.2 cables to transport groups of up to 13 passengers (9/3 plus driver!). This makes it ideal for public services..."

andy3536
11-30-2007, 10:36 AM
I use vista and think it's brilliant, i know a number of other people that use it who have had no problems with it and find it very good.

The only people i've herd actually moaning about it are those that have never used it or those that have tried to use it for business use.

As for the performance issue you can't expect to have the added affects of DX10 and expect the same framerate as XP without it. It's just silly what some people expect.

Kaiser I think vista basic will run with 512 RAM, it would also be worth noting that most entry level PC's are now being supplied with 1 gig of RAM.

I have found vista very good, and much more user freindly.

Mittelwaechter
11-30-2007, 11:22 AM
To my shame I have to admit I recommended Vista to my friends mother in law when she asked for advice buying a new rig.
Vista is the future, support for XP will end quite soon, some minor teething problems will be fixed and she wouldn't even recognize any problems at all.
Her new rig arrived including Vista Home Software - not yet installed.
No problem Ma'am - let me help...

Smooth installation - phone activation - only a lonely 64x64 basket-icon on the desktop - hhm, let's check the system control...

Deep digged, renamed system controls, every blinking, peeping and flapping feature enabled, endless "Are you sure? This may be risky!" messages, a very MS friendly desktop firewall, network installation drives you crazy (Oh sorry, Sir! Our support is working on that issue. MS changed everything...). A masterpiece of userfriendlyness for people who want to plug and use - only some hardware incompatibilities and some hard to tweak features concerning a "usual look, feel and behaviour".

SP1 RC is on it's way...

Liddabit
11-30-2007, 11:59 AM
Doesn't it seem to make sense that it would be slower on similer systmes because it uses more system resources?

andy3536
11-30-2007, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by Liddabit:
Doesn't it seem to make sense that it would be slower on similer systmes because it uses more system resources?

Yes

But you could say the same about every other operating system MS have ever produced.
PC's have come a long way since XP was first introduced.
Why not go back to win 95, that will run really fast on todays PCs..........

And lets not forget you have the 64 bit version that would be quiker than any equivelant xp pc for normal desktop aplications as it's utilising the PC better.

Your really not going to notice any slower speeds for aplications with modern dual core PC's.

There have been a large number of updates for vista and it's vastly different from how it was on release day.

Kaleun1961
11-30-2007, 03:18 PM
Which tells you something, if it takes a large number of updates to make it vastly different from release version. That tells me Microsoft is using the marketplace as guinea pigs to feed their need for cash flow.

I'm like most PC users: everything runs fine as it is right now and I have no need to "upgrade" my existing OS and hardware. Once the marketplace is fully committed to 64-bit computing Vista may shine in the sun, but for now it's taking its lumps.

andy3536
11-30-2007, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by Kaleun1961:
Which tells you something, if it takes a large number of updates to make it vastly different from release version. That tells me Microsoft is using the marketplace as guinea pigs to feed their need for cash flow.

I'm like most PC users: everything runs fine as it is right now and I have no need to "upgrade" my existing OS and hardware. Once the marketplace is fully committed to 64-bit computing Vista may shine in the sun, but for now it's taking its lumps.



Microsoft has always done it like this, Xp was exactly the same.
Did you not notice that XP has had more updates for it's SERVICE PACK 2 than there have been for vista.
You cannot test somthing with every single programme made, and more programmes being made all the time, just test the popular few thousand and try to fix what you've missed.
It was probobly in truth worse for problems with XP and 98 than vista on release.

Kaleun1961
11-30-2007, 05:34 PM
I'm getting old or something, because I can't recall a lot of issues with XP, well, at least for me anyways, when it was released. I've been using Microsoft OS's sinc DOS 5.0. My personal Microsoft hate-on was for Windows 95. That was the first and only time I bought into the hype for a new OS. I recall being very disappointed at the time.

This time around, I'm in no hurry to jump onto a new OS. I have heard that MS is already working on another OS to shortly follow Vista. Any idea on that one? If so, I'm wondering if Vista will be like ME was, a stepping stone to another more popular OS?

Messervy
12-01-2007, 03:21 AM
I'll tell you what would be the most popular thing. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif
The most popular thing would be if all the software and game designers suddenly decided to switch to MAC and leave Bill Gates and his empire to history books. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

andy3536
12-01-2007, 05:47 AM
Originally posted by Kaleun1961:
I'm getting old or something, because I can't recall a lot of issues with XP, well, at least for me anyways, when it was released. I've been using Microsoft OS's sinc DOS 5.0. My personal Microsoft hate-on was for Windows 95. That was the first and only time I bought into the hype for a new OS. I recall being very disappointed at the time.

This time around, I'm in no hurry to jump onto a new OS. I have heard that MS is already working on another OS to shortly follow Vista. Any idea on that one? If so, I'm wondering if Vista will be like ME was, a stepping stone to another more popular OS?


XP was very bad on first release, thats why it was shortly follwed be service pack 1 and then 2.
Most people won't be aware of this as most peoples first experience with XP was with service pack 2.
MS is not working on a newer OS to vista, there are howerver rumours of a vista service pack 1.

Like it or not vista is hear to stay for a fair few years, and i am still yet to hear someone who has this for home use have any complaints.

Liddabit
12-01-2007, 06:15 AM
Originally posted by Messervy:
I'll tell you what would be the most popular thing. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif
The most popular thing would be if all the software and game designers suddenly decided to switch to MAC and leave Bill Gates and his empire to history books. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Wouldn't that just create a different empire and a new bill gates? :P

And I figure I will switch to Vista eventually, but a month before vista came out I payed 100$ for XP so I am not going to upgrade any time soon...I was dumb :P

Mittelwaechter
12-01-2007, 07:07 AM
Windows 7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7) (formerly "Vienna") is planned for 2009/2010.
They are working on it additionally to the Vista servicepack http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif"Fiji".

Let's sink one!

Liddabit
12-01-2007, 07:31 AM
Originally posted by Mittelwaechter:
Windows 7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7) (formerly "Vienna") is planned for 2009/2010.
They are working on it additionally to the Vista servicepack http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif"Fiji".

Let's sink one!

Navigator set course for Loch Ewe!

klcarroll
12-01-2007, 07:48 AM
Today we have laptop computers whose hardware specs would put the previous generation's Super Computers to shame! ......But we don't really realize this, because our "Resource Hog" Operating Systems have expanded to fill the available hardware: .....And all in the name of "answering our needs"!!

(Unfortunately, it seems that "Our Needs" are, all to often, being defined by some committee in the fantasy world of Microsoftland!)

When are the OS developers going to realize that there is a market for a "Lean and Mean", no-frills version of Windows: ...aimed specifically at those people who want to run their application software at the most efficient level??

God save me from yet another "convenience utility" running in the background!!

klcarroll

andy3536
12-01-2007, 08:07 AM
Originally posted by Mittelwaechter:
Windows 7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7) (formerly "Vienna") is planned for 2009/2010.
They are working on it additionally to the Vista servicepack http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif"Fiji".

Let's sink one!



Not the most reliable sorce of information http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

You could probobly imeadiatly change 09/10 for 15/16.


At the end of the day if you don't want it don't buy it.
You can still find win 95 and 98 pcs and operating systems if you want no thrills.

You can buy reconditioned PC's with XP - 98 or ME for under 50 from ebay and auctions of office equipment from companys that have gone into insolvency.

If you don't want to be up to date who's forcing you?

GerritJ9
12-01-2007, 08:55 AM
No-frills OS? It already exists...... Windows 2000 Professional. Has pretty much everything you need and isn't a resource hog. Microsoft should have taken this route in OS development, rather than making each new OS more bloated than its predecessor.

klcarroll
12-01-2007, 09:17 AM
No-frills OS? It already exists...... Windows 2000 Professional.


I agree! ...I have 2000 on several of my machines.

.....But Microsoft's promise to stop supporting it doesn't make it a good future option.

Hmmmm...., Perhaps THAT is the answer! ....Get Microsoft to stop declaring functional Operating Systems "obsolete" simply because they want to force everyone to buy from them again!!

(....Yeah! ....Like THAT'S going to happen!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif)

klcarroll

klcarroll
12-01-2007, 09:21 AM
If you don't want to be up to date who's forcing you?

Andy;

You are mis-reading my entire point: ...I want very much to be "up-to-date" with a supported OS that takes full advantage of today's hardware!

I just don't want all the useless frills that make most versions of Windows run like a Stone Turd!!

klcarroll

VikingGrandad
12-01-2007, 09:23 AM
Originally posted by Messervy:
Ahhh...VG...You are a gift from gods and a disgrace to Vista. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Thank You for that link. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Now you have successfully eradicated the only Vista pron I have found.

My pleasure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

andy3536
12-01-2007, 09:33 AM
Originally posted by klcarroll:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">If you don't want to be up to date who's forcing you?

Andy;

You are mis-reading my entire point: ...I want very much to be "up-to-date" with a supported OS that takes full advantage of today's hardware!

I just don't want all the useless frills that make most versions of Windows run like a Stone Turd!!

klcarroll </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



Stone turd.......

Vista is very fast, it's speed on the desktop is not in any way noticably slower. The DX10 funtion means gaming looses a few fps.

But don't be mistaken, vista is slightly slower, but not slow.

And nearly all processors now are 64 bit so if you get that version then for everything other than games you won't notice any difference at all.

klcarroll
12-01-2007, 11:07 AM
And nearly all processors now are 64 bit so if you get that version then for everything other than games you won't notice any difference at all.


Andy;

Somehow, ...adding hundreds of dollars worth of hardware upgrades just so that I "won't notice any difference at all" doesn't sound like progress.

I'm tired of feeding "Resource Hogs"; .....But maybe I'm missing something???

klcarroll

andy3536
12-01-2007, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by klcarroll:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And nearly all processors now are 64 bit so if you get that version then for everything other than games you won't notice any difference at all.


Andy;

Somehow, ...adding hundreds of dollars worth of hardware upgrades just so that I "won't notice any difference at all" doesn't sound like progress.

I'm tired of feeding "Resource Hogs"; .....But maybe I'm missing something???

klcarroll </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



Even old P4 processors are 64 bit, so theres no need to fit hundreds of dollers of new hardware.

That also contradicts you last statement of "You are mis-reading my entire point: ...I want very much to be "up-to-date" with a supported OS that takes full advantage of today's hardware!"



When you talk about wanting to make use of todays hardware and then complain to me about using hardware thats been around for many years i can't help but feel you looking to be argumentetive and i expected better from a moderator.

All i will say to add to this subject now is unlike most of the people that are complaining i use vista every day and find it very good and user friendly with no slow speeds or problems.
I switch it on and it works well, all the time every time.

Celeon999
12-01-2007, 02:33 PM
http://www.addis-welt.de/smilie/smilie/schild/ironie.gif


http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/5568/heilbillrm3.jpg

Realjambo
12-01-2007, 03:00 PM
I cheat. I use XP with what I consider to be an excellent Vista Skin, which includes the 'Glass Aero' feature of Vista and changes all my icons, the desktop, screensaver, sounds etc etc to those that Vista uses. Visually it looks stunning in my opinion and makes XP look clunky and out dated.

That said, what I use is merely a cosmetic cover and doesn't go into the plumbing and intrigue of Vista but personally I will give it a while longer before I upgrade, if I think I need to at all.

Mittelwaechter
12-01-2007, 03:01 PM
It's like buying a new wris****ch. There was no need to buy a new one, but you wanted to be up to date.
It looks new and shows you the time.

The old one only showed the time.

klcarroll
12-01-2007, 03:12 PM
Andy;

I'm so sorry you find me to be a disappointment as a Moderator! It is, after all, an unpaid, volunteer position.

In my professional capacity, I am on staff at the local Community College; ...and in spite of your best efforts to educate me, .....I'm afraid I still have to side with our IT Department: ......Which has dumped VISTA entirely.

Thank you very much for your input.

klcarroll

NaKacu
12-01-2007, 10:01 PM
man, vista has this thing.... it brings out the debate every time..... **yawn**

eh, it as bad as talking about politics IMHO...

pmh273
12-07-2007, 03:10 AM
Interesting thread people! I was just considering buying a new gaming rig from Dell so that I can play the new GWX when released. Everything from Dell comes with Vista I think. Think I'll do some further research! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

GerritJ9
12-07-2007, 02:07 PM
I believe Dell offer you the option of XP instead of Vista if you ask for it.

pmh273
12-08-2007, 08:32 AM
Thanks GerritJ9, I'll make sure I ask!