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S.taibanzai
06-26-2005, 01:47 PM
I took screenshots of 2 SC250 bomb drops from the Emils. Here they are:

Cant hit much closer I think (maybe hitting from rear would help). I know this is an issue of FB
damage modelling


http://cpsa.de/leroyal/tanks.jpg

AviationArtist
06-26-2005, 01:58 PM
~S~ http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Looks wierdly interesting! What was the actual direction of your attack in relation to the target?
Also, were you level, gentle dive, steep dive. rough speed estimate at time of bomb release?
Also, maybe a silly question, but what was the bomb delay set at?

Curious to know, as I'd like to try it out myself and see the results.

Cheers! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Stafroty
06-26-2005, 02:43 PM
well, in that case dierction of attack should not have anything to do with result, if bombs goes off below target http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

F_vonIzabelin
06-26-2005, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by AviationArtist:
~S~ http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Looks wierdly interesting! What was the actual direction of your attack in relation to the target?
Also, were you level, gentle dive, steep dive. rough speed estimate at time of bomb release?
Also, maybe a silly question, but what was the bomb delay set at?

Curious to know, as I'd like to try it out myself and see the results.

Cheers! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

You know what happens to the crew inside and the tank, if a 250kg bomb lands next to you (next is about 10-20m???
a smoking hull, and some brains splattered on the inside.

FritzGryphon
06-26-2005, 06:28 PM
I'd also ask about the conditions of that screenshot.

For example, watching other clients online, you will see that bombs appear to land in a totally diffrent place than they actually did.

And even if it is a bug, it doesn't justify your comment, vonIzabelin. Whether you like it or not, Oleg is responsible for the premiere WWII flightsim, bar none.

FritzGryphon
06-26-2005, 06:43 PM
I tested this offline.

109E7/b with SC250. Target tanks are T-34s, and the one in the center is a T-34late (wasn't quite sure which one you used, so I tried both).

You can see the SC250 is lethal to about 20-30m against T-34. I am curious to know what was different in S.taibanzai's pic.

http://members.shaw.ca/evilgryphon4/t34.jpg

pdog1
06-26-2005, 06:49 PM
and they all laughed at me when i said conspiracy, now who is laughing?
Russians have rubber armour that deflects bombs up to the aircraft that droped them that would explain why our planes all of a sudden blow up when flying over russian tanks. They said this was impossible, said i was crazy. Well well well look at it now.

FritzGryphon
06-26-2005, 07:30 PM
Lol, we're all laughing, at you. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

p1ngu666
06-26-2005, 07:32 PM
if u fly online then maybe bombs are less effective?

also most annoying are the artillery gun style objets, u haveto actully hit them to kill them, while irl a close hit would mess them up or atleast the crew...

BBB_Hyperion
06-26-2005, 08:02 PM
How about a track ? The tank in front doesnt look like t34 more like kv.

Tried offline sc250 vs static
sc250 vs moving

Both works. Sure you were not out of sync ?

JtD
06-27-2005, 12:55 AM
I once dropped 2x2000 SC right on a couple of T-60's and did not destroy a single one. Online those thing just happen and are not DM related.

Apparently the host will somtimes simply miss the fact that the bomb has been dropped or gone off.

3.JG51_Stecher
06-27-2005, 02:03 AM
I've seen this type of thing, albeit rarely. I've put an SC500 right on a Sherman and it just sits there on top of the crater like nothing happened. Once I dropped an SC1000 from a Stuka on a 25mm AAA, and it destroyed every structure within a hundred meters, but that gun was just fine. So if it destroys some things, but not others, which were closer, if not directly hit, then it isn't as if the game or server didn't know that it went off. In that case, nothing would be destroyed. Also, note that if your aicraft crashes before the bomb explodes, it won't kill anything. That may explain some of these instances, but it definitely happens when you haven't crashed after release. My guess is that there's something weird with how it calculates a bomb's fragments, or whatever it does to calculate its destructive power, because it certainly isn't radius alone. Plenty of times you'll put a bomb into a line of aircraft. It will leave some planes closer to the blast alive, and others farther away dead. Go figure.

x6BL_Brando
06-27-2005, 05:45 AM
On a parallel theme, here's an example that I'd never seen before.

I was flying a P39 in an attack on German vehicle columns - Bury's "Valley of Death" - online. The second Russian flight was Sturmo's - icons were off.

Anyway, I had dived in to strafe a column and realised that a Sturmo was already on its run from the opposite end, about 500 feet higher than me, so I stopped firing and commenced a right hand break. (Bear in mind that I was at a low throttle setting, quite slow in the air to aid my aim.)

Suddenly I realised that the air was full of...er....turnips! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif Dozens of small round objects with what looked like little crowns raining down on me as my buddy's Sturmo roared overhead!

The vegetable delusion passed very quickly though - as the PTAB's exploded on contact with my plane! I watched horrified as my left wing was blown off in pieces and the P-39 rolled abruptly into the ground. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

I know it's one of those "xxxx years I've been flying this sim and I never...." anecdotes, but it was amazing and (in a virtual way) shocking. A convincing 'soldiers' view' of an encounter with the Black Death http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Comparing notes with my friend (and unwitting agent of my demise) we both agreed that we had each dropped thousands of the little boogers, to seemingly little effect, in our time. So it was good to see that they really work!

Like the starter I've seen large bombs make huge holes right next to armour without seeming to damage it - but always when on-line. In some cases it seems wholly unbelievable - but there are several reasons why this might happen.
Ground quality is one; point of impact, type of ordnance, model of tank are some of the other variables.

Good old lag plays a part too, I suspect. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

WWSensei
06-27-2005, 05:51 AM
Bomb blast damage in this game is completely bizarre. Has been sionce day one. It's different offline than on and it isn't consistent at all. I've not gotten credit for dropp two 500kg straddling a tank (impact less than 10 meters away) and I've killed a tank that I missed by 100 meters.

I've dropped a bomb at the front of a convoy or no damage to the lead vehicles but the last one in line dies.

Tooz_69GIAP
06-27-2005, 10:06 AM
One important point, did you die before the bombs went off?? If you were killed before the bombs exploded, the game will not have recorded the blast.

This is a known bug and will not be fixed. I emailed Oleg about it a few weeks, and he emailed me back saying it would not be fixed.

This only affects online play. Offline, if you die before your bombs explode, the bombs will still destroy the target, provided they are close enough and big enough to do the damage.

If, however, you DIDN'T die beforehand, then I have no idea. Maybe you were just lagging really badly, and the host didn't register the hits (connections in CW missions are often dodgy).

LeadSpitter_
06-30-2005, 03:47 AM
Even 500lbs on certain tanks will have thier blast crator underneath the tanks, 250 100 and anything smaller is pretty useless. Online static tanks seem to have different dms then offline static tanks.

Look at the p11 for example it can drop its bombs on the deck and take off fine.

I hope they increase the bombstrenghts over rocket strenght.

Also we definatly need to drop individual bombs, oleg can just have the bomb release counterclockwise of the torque to simulate weight being dropped.

Also some of the 20mm and 30mm ground attack ac wasnt thier weapons made specifically made for attacking medium to light armor and vechiles. As well designed strictly for heavy bombers.

The photo above looks like a churchill tank close and US m10 or mII tank

new-fherathras
06-30-2005, 05:16 AM
happens alot

F16_Sulan
06-30-2005, 03:18 PM
I´ve had it happen online, with at least sc250, sc50, US 500.lb and 1000.lb, I believe others too but these I know...

Does´nt happen offline, suppose it´s an online thing... :/

LStarosta
06-30-2005, 07:31 PM
I dropped a fricken SC1000 onto a Wirbelwind and my bomb ended up maybe 10 meters off to the side and it did no damage at all.