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raaaid
06-18-2005, 01:06 PM
at low speed they stall a lot but theres no way to stall planes at 400 or 500 kph

shoulndt the black out and the structural strength of the planes the limits?

SeaNorris
06-18-2005, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by raaaid:
at low speed they stall a lot but theres no way to stall planes at 400 or 500 kph

shoulndt the black out and the structural strength of the planes the limits?

You dont have any positive comments about this game do you?

raaaid
06-18-2005, 01:14 PM
well im making a positive comment to achieve a better game

ASARJIP
06-18-2005, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by raaaid:
at low speed they stall a lot but theres no way to stall planes at 400 or 500 kph

shoulndt the black out and the structural strength of the planes the limits?

Well actually they can and do. Not to get too technical but a wing stalls when you exceed its critical angle of attack, not just when you get "too slow". This can happen at any airspeed. There's alot more that could be said but I'll leave it at that for now. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BanaBob
06-18-2005, 01:54 PM
Hopefully I'm the last to post in here and this thread stalls. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

VW-IceFire
06-18-2005, 01:56 PM
You aren't contributing anything positive unless you start documenting and providing evidence.

They do stall at high speeds, pilots do blackout, and lots of Mustang pilots are happy to point out that their planes break up in dives with just a little effort.

At least we're not talking about a fanciful energy device this time...but honestly.

TooCooL34
06-18-2005, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by raaaid:
well im making a positive comment to achieve a better game
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WWSensei
06-18-2005, 02:05 PM
High speed stalls are most sertainly doable. I use one in a 110 to snap roll to initiate a split-s escape all the time. Either your joystick settings are set such that you don't get them or you simply don't know how to properly initiate a high speed stall.

Given your previous lack of knowledge of physics an inability to take advice and complete lack of displaying any evidence to support your claims I doubt you'll ignore this as well.

spitfire22287
06-18-2005, 02:09 PM
You've obviously never heard of a high-speed stall have you....

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raaaid
06-18-2005, 02:15 PM
well i have tested this with the 109 g6as and it doesnt stall at high speed by pulling the joystick and fully trimmed

it just doesnt stall which i find it too arcade like

i suppose if you jerk all surfaces youll satll but thats not the point, the point is stalling at high speed by only using the elevator

SeaFireLIV
06-18-2005, 02:29 PM
So strange. How is it you persist in talking such rubbish?

I can stall a P38 at high speed by pulling the stick back hard... well more than stall it actually.

You really are destroying your credibility, if you had any. You should quit while you`re able.

ColoradoBBQ
06-18-2005, 02:44 PM
The joystick only simulates pounds of force on the stick, not deflection of the control surfaces. I believe the limit is 50 pounds at full deflection.

WWSensei
06-18-2005, 02:56 PM
You are aware, of course, that a 109G6 at high speed has less elevator authority and therefor you aren't able, possbily to get the deflection needed for high speed stall?

What are you joystick settings?

I'm not having trouble stalling the AS at 450+ knots. Maybe it's not the FM that is arcade but you?

raaaid
06-18-2005, 03:10 PM
even if it loses elevator authority the plane doesnt stall even by fully trimmimg which should compensate for this

all im saying is the 109g6as doesnt stall at high speed which is a disadvantage against a plane that can stall and therefore can go closer to the limit

i have all 100 in my joystick settings and im talking about stalling the plane only using the elevator which is not possible for this plane

why if by fully trimming the elevator the force in the stick is not an issue anymore?

A.K.Davis
06-18-2005, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by raaaid:
even if it loses elevator authority the plane doesnt stall even by fully trimmimg which should compensate for this

oh really...

Treetop64
06-19-2005, 01:12 AM
Raaaid, listen...

Trim does not - and was never designed to - compensate for the lack of elevator authority. Trim is only there to make fine adjustments to aircraft attitude, got it?

Some planes (A6M series, Me-109 series, for example) can reach such a speed that, even with full back pressure, they will not stall, but will also turn much less sharply than at lower speeds.

You have to understand that the faster the aircraft is going, the greater the aerodynamic forces acting on the control surfaces. Consequently, the controls got more and more heavier to the pilot the faster he flew (due to the direct mechanical link from the controls to the control surfaces in some aircraft) and that "heaviness" can reach a point where he can only move the stick and rudders only so much...

...Unless you're Superman or something, and can jerk the plane around, and stall and tear it apart at any speed and attitude.

Alas, I realize that we're wasting our time trying to explain anything to you at all, raaaid. You've had 400 plus posts telling us anything from how you've invented some ridiculous free energy, friction-free, perpetual motion rock-twirling engine, to countless other posts saying how "this is unrealistic" and "that's unrealistic", as if you know anything about what's real.

Frankly, (and I mean this in the nicest possible way) you're consistently coming off as moronic, and not a little idiotic; you are not doing yourself any favors at all, raaaid.

Please, for your sake, for once come up with something useful or entertaining to post.

BM357_Hbent
06-19-2005, 07:01 AM
Originally posted by Treetop64:
Please, for your sake, for once come up with something useful or entertaining to post.

I find everything that he posts quite entertaining.

sapre
06-19-2005, 08:32 AM
Originally posted by BM357_Hbent:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Treetop64:
Please, for your sake, for once come up with something useful or entertaining to post.

I find everything that he posts quite entertaining. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Indeed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Treetop64
06-19-2005, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by sapre:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BM357_Hbent:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Treetop64:
Please, for your sake, for once come up with something useful or entertaining to post.

I find everything that he posts quite entertaining. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Indeed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I suppose you guys have a point there! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Kwiatos
06-19-2005, 12:36 PM
I suggest look to these topic:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63110913/m/1001015133

It is about acceleration stall and that some plane dont have it!!!

ClnlSandersLite
06-20-2005, 05:29 AM
Hopefully I'm the last to post in here and this thread stalls. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sorry there BanaBob, Almost never works out that way.


Alas, I realize that we're wasting our time trying to explain anything to you at all, raaaid. You've had 400 plus posts telling us anything from how you've invented some ridiculous free energy, friction-free, perpetual motion rock-twirling engine, to countless other posts saying how "this is unrealistic" and "that's unrealistic", as if you know anything about what's real.

Gotta give it to you, Treetop64, this is doubtless one of the funniest things I've ever read. You and raaaaaaid should go on the road doing a comedy show or maybe start a talk show. Hell, I'd watch just for the laughs.