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Bogun
10-22-2006, 08:19 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavochkin_La-9
Please?....
Preaty please?

There is probably no other plane which is more deserving to be in 1946 add-on then this bird?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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HuninMunin
10-23-2006, 02:35 AM
Problem is that the addons are allready finished and are waiting to get released by übi.
The La-9 would be a great addition, I agree...but theres no chance of adding new contend to the updates, especially not planes that arent even modelled yet I'm afraid...<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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BBB_Hyperion
10-23-2006, 02:41 AM
La9 fm is already in the Game. It is called La7 iirc http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Tipo_Man
10-23-2006, 04:10 AM
Originally posted by BBB_Hyperion:
La9 fm is already in the Game. It is called La7 iirc http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Nope.
La-9 was inferior in flight performance to La-7 since it was much heavier. More fuel and guns but the same engine.
The main change was the all-metal construction, since it was found that wooden La-7's are not suitable for peace-time prolonged time service.
So maybe it's better to have it in order to represent the "real" La-7 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BBB_Hyperion
10-23-2006, 07:26 AM
Agree but the wooden wonder is definitly as stable as a full metal build regarding wings , cabin etc .<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Tipo_Man
10-23-2006, 09:23 AM
Originally posted by BBB_Hyperion:
Agree but the wooden wonder is definitly as stable as a full metal build regarding wings , cabin etc .

You can be sure soviet aluminium was of much better quality...
And conserning performance. Take a look at climb speed given for a La-9 at the wikipedia - 17.8m/s.

Current in game La-7 climbs with 28m/s http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Poor soviet veterans. How badly did they felt after swapping their beloved La-7 for such a crappy post-war plane http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Vidarts
10-23-2006, 09:43 AM
Wiki gives for La7 a climb rate of 18.3 m/s. That's a neat difference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavochkin_La-7

Admittingly it may be a problem of sources ...<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Antoninus
10-23-2006, 10:00 AM
Only because a plane is made from wood doesn't necessarily mean that it is more vulnerable to gunfire. A wooden structure is generally more voluminous than a metal one and thus ordinary bullet holes damage only a smaller percentage of it.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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BBB_Hyperion
10-23-2006, 10:02 AM
Simple deal here
to la7 climbtime it is average climb to 5000 4,65 min 4,3 mins with wep

5000 / (0.65*60 + 4* 60) = 17.92 m/s
5000 / (0.3*60 + 4* 60) = 19.37 m/s

So wiki is correct partly. It is average climb and no inital climb.

La9
Assuming here climb to 5000 / 17.7 m/s = 282 s =
4.7 min

So not really worse if figures are right .)
(i think they took em from la7 when there is such a great difference as claimed at least)<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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BBB_Hyperion
10-23-2006, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by Antoninus:
Only because a plane is made from wood doesn't necessarily mean that it is more vulnerable to gunfire. A wooden structure is generally more voluminous than a metal one and thus ordinary bullet holes damage only a smaller percentage of it.

There are excellent wood planes doesnt mean they can handle the g load easy . Wings dont move in fb .(<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Chuck_Older
10-23-2006, 10:08 AM
Firstly, Wikipeadia should be used as any other reference material-

check your data against other sources!

Secondly, Wiki is the only "source" that seems to be taken as Gospel that allows a constant change of data with no supervision. Please use other sources than Wiki to prove things http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Vidarts
10-23-2006, 10:46 AM
Please read carefully. Wiki is an easy to look up dictionary, but as I admitted in my earlier post it's a question of sources. In this respect I agree with the content but it was not necessary http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I think that the La7 as it is modelled in the game, is the best fighter. When I watch the kill/lost ratios on the servers I fly, it is always the La7 with the highest score. Better that any Spit 9. Significantly better.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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BBB_Hyperion
10-23-2006, 11:02 AM
The Data i used to compare is not from wiki http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif But fits with the results.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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High Ground is not only more agreeable and salubrious, but more convenient from a military point of view; low ground is not only damp and unhealthy, but also disadvantageous for fighting.

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Tipo_Man
10-23-2006, 11:15 AM
Concerning La-7...

Real La-7 climbed to 5000m was as follows:
- the best record 4.3 (source here: http://www.btinternet.com/~fulltilt/Perform.html#La-7%20No.%2038100869 (http://www.btinternet.com/%7Efulltilt/Perform.html#La-7%20No.%2038100869) )

-most of La-7 climbed to 5000m for 4.5<->5.0min.
Some sources here: http://www.23ag.ru/html/lavochkin_statistika.html

- in game La-7 climbs to 5000meters for 3.8mins
source : my test (will host track but you can easily check)

- La-9 climbed to 5000meters for 4,9 mins
source again here: http://www.23ag.ru/html/lavochkin_statistika.html


Currently La-7 climbs better than Yak-3 (not historically correct)

BfHeFwMe
10-25-2006, 10:31 PM
La-9 doesn't fit in the upgrade, it actually existed, thus would require a standard to model it properly. That ain't happening no more, be sure. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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JG53Frankyboy
10-26-2006, 05:42 AM
Originally posted by BfHeFwMe:
La-9 doesn't fit in the upgrade, it actually existed, thus would require a standard to model it properly. That ain't happening no more, be sure. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

actually all VVS planes of the 46 AdOn existed.( ok, not sure about BI-6 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )

VW-IceFire
10-26-2006, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by Tipo_Man:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB_Hyperion:
Agree but the wooden wonder is definitly as stable as a full metal build regarding wings , cabin etc .

You can be sure soviet aluminium was of much better quality...
And conserning performance. Take a look at climb speed given for a La-9 at the wikipedia - 17.8m/s.

Current in game La-7 climbs with 28m/s http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Poor soviet veterans. How badly did they felt after swapping their beloved La-7 for such a crappy post-war plane http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm sure they felt just fine...considering that the La-9 wasn't going to rot away in a few months (as most La-7s did).<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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LEXX_Luthor
10-27-2006, 06:41 PM
JG::
actually all VVS planes of the 46 AdOn existed.( ok, not sure about BI-6 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The Jet Lagg was not built.

Notes on early Soviet jet/rocket propulsion ~> http://aeroweb.lucia.it/rap/RAFAQ/JetEngines.html


Specifically, about Jet LaGG and its planned engine ~> http://aeroweb.lucia.it/~agretch/News/SHARENEWSbulletin.html#Engines (http://aeroweb.lucia.it/%7Eagretch/News/SHARENEWSbulletin.html#Engines)


Typically, I "forgot" if BI-6 was built, but we should not make a judgement on that, until all the facts are in. Still, it will be useful for the 406 Theme. I wonder what dynamic campaign miracles 3rd Party modder Lowengrin is going to make out of 406, although I'd prefer Oleg make a "407" or "408" with Strategic Air Command vs PVO air defence.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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tigertalon
10-29-2006, 04:20 AM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tipo_Man:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB_Hyperion:
Agree but the wooden wonder is definitly as stable as a full metal build regarding wings , cabin etc .

You can be sure soviet aluminium was of much better quality...
And conserning performance. Take a look at climb speed given for a La-9 at the wikipedia - 17.8m/s.

Current in game La-7 climbs with 28m/s http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Poor soviet veterans. How badly did they felt after swapping their beloved La-7 for such a crappy post-war plane http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm sure they felt just fine...considering that the La-9 wasn't going to rot away in a few months (as most La-7s did). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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DaBestHawk_69th
10-29-2006, 09:42 AM
Thats all we need in this game is an other LA.http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/DaBestHawk/Avatar02.jpg