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russ.nl
05-04-2006, 10:28 AM
Every 4th of May of every year the Dutch commemorate all the victims, and veterans of WW2. We hang the flag half-mast and the whole nation is silent for 2 min at 20.00 hours.

I will not ask you to do the same just think about how lucky we are.

To all who lost there lives for us.

Lodovik
05-04-2006, 10:33 AM
S!

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-04-2006, 10:41 AM
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StG2_Schlachter
05-04-2006, 10:56 AM
Interesting to know.

I want to say sorry, for any grief my people may have caused during the course of WW2.

I am glad that we Europeans can look into a bright future together.

Best Regards
Schlachter

joeap
05-04-2006, 11:07 AM
No need for you to say sorry StG2_Schlachter, but I approve of the sentiment of the second half of your post. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

StG2_Schlachter
05-04-2006, 11:13 AM
I think there are enough reasons to say sorry, joeap http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I hope history doesn't repeat itself, now that the older generations are gone.

FI-Skipper
05-04-2006, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by StG2_Schlachter:
I think there are enough reasons to say sorry, joeap http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I hope history doesn't repeat itself, now that the older generations are gone.

Unfortunately mistakes happen and all we can do is learn from them.No need to feel guilty or apologise though...best just to move on and try to move on together while remembering the less fortunate.

Skipper

Breeze147
05-04-2006, 12:10 PM
I used to not be able to comprehend how a madman could rise to power in a modern, technologically advanced, free society. Placed into power by a relatively small, lunatic fringe group. Someone taking control of a powerful nation without winning the popular vote.

Then I look at the G. Dubya Bush administration and realize how it could happen.

I am American by the way.

Anyway, have a good Commeration Day.

russ.nl
05-04-2006, 12:48 PM
With, "all victims" I do mean all victims. Not all deaths.
The war memorial at my village is a big square stone with a biblecle text on it. Around this, in half a sircle, there lay the bodies of both Dutch and German soldiers that died here.
We pay our respect to all fallen soldiers.
(Not to real Nazi's ofcourse)

edgflyer
05-04-2006, 12:58 PM
Originally posted by Breeze147:
I used to not be able to comprehend how a madman could rise to power in a modern, technologically advanced, free society. Placed into power by a relatively small, lunatic fringe group. Someone taking control of a powerful nation without winning the popular vote.
Then I look at the G. Dubya Bush administration and realize how it could happen.

I am American by the way.

Anyway, have a good Commeration Day.

He got into power because at the time Germany was in financial dire straits. Before he was made chancelor, he was making promises of growing the economy and bringing back honor to the country. At this time, the Geramn mark was not worth the paper it was printed on. Poeple were using wheel barrels full of money to go and buy a loaf of bread. Unemployment was the highest any nation ever saw. He was able to appeal to what was needed at the time for Germany's economy, however he was also doing it by preparing for war. The depression in Germany at this time was 100 times worse than it was during the US great Depression and he made promisses to the poeple that were comming true, Because of this, he was actually voted into power by the majority and not the minority few. The public was desperate and he was showing the path back to strength.

By the way, because I wrote this does not mean I stand for his beliefs.

russ.nl
05-04-2006, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by edgflyer:
He got into power because at the time Germany was in financial dire straits. Before he was made chancelor, he was making promises of growing the economy and bringing back honor to the country. At this time, the Geramn mark was not worth the paper it was printed on. Poeple were using wheel barrels full of money to go and buy a loaf of bread. Unemployment was the highest any nation ever saw. He was able to appeal to what was needed at the time for Germany's economy, however he was also doing it by preparing for war. The depression in Germany at this time was 100 times worse than it was during the US great Depression and he made promisses to the poeple that were comming true, Because of this, he was actually voted into power by the majority and not the minority few. The public was desperate and he was showing the path back to strength.

By the way, because I wrote this does not mean I stand for his beliefs.

Recognise anything? And I'm not talking about US of A

StG2_Schlachter
05-04-2006, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by edgflyer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Breeze147:
I used to not be able to comprehend how a madman could rise to power in a modern, technologically advanced, free society. Placed into power by a relatively small, lunatic fringe group. Someone taking control of a powerful nation without winning the popular vote.
Then I look at the G. Dubya Bush administration and realize how it could happen.

I am American by the way.

Anyway, have a good Commeration Day.

He got into power because at the time Germany was in financial dire straits. Before he was made chancelor, he was making promises of growing the economy and bringing back honor to the country. At this time, the Geramn mark was not worth the paper it was printed on. Poeple were using wheel barrels full of money to go and buy a loaf of bread. Unemployment was the highest any nation ever saw. He was able to appeal to what was needed at the time for Germany's economy, however he was also doing it by preparing for war. The depression in Germany at this time was 100 times worse than it was during the US great Depression and he made promisses to the poeple that were comming true, Because of this, he was actually voted into power by the majority and not the minority few. The public was desperate and he was showing the path back to strength.

By the way, because I wrote this does not mean I stand for his beliefs. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He was not voted into office. His party (NSDAP) was. No man was ever to have full control over the government. It was a little more complicated. The fire of the Reichstag in Febuary 1933 was used by the national socialists to accuse the communist partys of a coup d' etat. The president of Germany, Hindenburg, was really old and already senile. The Nazis knew very well to exploit this weakness in the German Government. The "camarilla" was the staff of advisors for the president, which sympathized with the Nazis. Hindenburg declared a state of emergency. The issued emergency decrees enabled the Nazis to eliminate the opposition (i.e. the KPD, German Communist Party). This was legitimate according to Ôž48 of the Weimar constitution. Eventually Hitler, as the leader of the NSDAP, had risen to absolute power in Germany.

BTW, I was quiet for 2 minutes @ 20 o'clock.
I will try to remember next year.

Friendly_flyer
05-04-2006, 01:33 PM
It's a good custom you have there, Russ.nl. It is important that history is not forgotten.

russ.nl
05-04-2006, 01:48 PM
Thanks schlachter I and many others really apreciate it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

edgflyer
05-04-2006, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by StG2_Schlachter:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by edgflyer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Breeze147:
I used to not be able to comprehend how a madman could rise to power in a modern, technologically advanced, free society. Placed into power by a relatively small, lunatic fringe group. Someone taking control of a powerful nation without winning the popular vote.
Then I look at the G. Dubya Bush administration and realize how it could happen.

I am American by the way.

Anyway, have a good Commeration Day.

He got into power because at the time Germany was in financial dire straits. Before he was made chancelor, he was making promises of growing the economy and bringing back honor to the country. At this time, the Geramn mark was not worth the paper it was printed on. Poeple were using wheel barrels full of money to go and buy a loaf of bread. Unemployment was the highest any nation ever saw. He was able to appeal to what was needed at the time for Germany's economy, however he was also doing it by preparing for war. The depression in Germany at this time was 100 times worse than it was during the US great Depression and he made promisses to the poeple that were comming true, Because of this, he was actually voted into power by the majority and not the minority few. The public was desperate and he was showing the path back to strength.

By the way, because I wrote this does not mean I stand for his beliefs. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He was not voted into office. His party (NSDAP) was. No man was ever to have full control over the government. It was a little more complicated. The fire of the Reichstag in Febuary 1933 was used by the national socialists to accuse the communist partys of a coup d' etat. The president of Germany, Hindenburg, was really old and already senile. The Nazis knew very well to exploit this weakness in the German Government. The "camarilla" was the staff of advisors for the president, which sympathized with the Nazis. Hindenburg declared a state of emergency. The issued emergency decrees enabled the Nazis to eliminate the opposition (i.e. the KPD, German Communist Party). This was legitimate according to Ôž48 of the Weimar constitution. Eventually Hitler, as the leader of the NSDAP, had risen to absolute power in Germany.

BTW, I was quiet for 2 minutes @ 20 o'clock.
I will try to remember next year. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your right, but I was just using generalzation on the voted in part. The Government was the one that put his party in office or voted on putting his party in office. The whole money issue was main part of his rise and the other just his tools to do it.

StG2_Schlachter
05-04-2006, 04:10 PM
No, not the government voted. The people did. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Hitlers ideas also benefited from the anti-Semitic
feelings among the population. This feelings were common in Europe at that time, but only in Germany did hate and envy become the biggest genocide in history. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif