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PBNA-Boosher
10-17-2004, 01:57 PM
In times such as this, when accusatory accents take on the main of our society, the one refuge I had in this simulation and game is gone. I used to be able to find something enchanting about the machines of the past. Their engines droning on heavily, and through such trying times, day after day, pulled them through ungodly and hellish circumstances, and even with smashed wires and airframes, loyally bringing their pilots home, just like a faithful dog would show its master home when it became lost. My reverence toward the great flying machines has not dissapated, but my reverence for this community has. What I once believed a strong and true community, held together by our love of the men and machines of the Second World War, has now fallen into decrepidness and decay. So I have no escape from my life and the sorrow I have been living in for the past ten months. I'm sure many of you play for a host of different reasons. I'm sure none of you ever thought about the reasons why others play. But please, let me have mine back. Let this love I am desperately trying to hold in me, and at the same time escape from, delay itself longer. Let a lovesick young boy hold onto the past just a little longer. Don't spoil the only refuge my 17 year old self has to protect me from deeper sorrow. Forget country ties. Forget national borders, forget the marketing of games. Why can't we just find within each of ourselves the peace to appreciate this love of ours, and treat each other as we would want to be treated?

Chuck_Older
10-17-2004, 02:04 PM
You're a little young to be so melancholy. Sounds like you had a break-up.

Welcome to the world. Get over it quick, and try again.

I'm not making fun of you, that's just the way it is. The world's not going to stop because you're lovesick, she wasn't the only girl you could love in the world, and no girl wants to hook up with a depressed guy. Those aren't my rules, by the way.

~EDIT

and yes, I've had those physical pains where it feels like you're being crushed from the inside out because of relationships with girls. It feels like your ribcage is trying to come out through your skin.

The pains go away quicker when you stop pining for the one you broke up with. These things happen and nobody likes it.

PBNA-Boosher
10-17-2004, 02:20 PM
Nope, not a break up, but I can't tell the story here, these guys'll give me too much b/s. I guess you could PM me if you really want to read a novel, because that's what it would take to describe the way I've been living. But please guys, don't you remember the old days? A "whine" wasn't a whine but a request. People responded chivalrously to each other, after every d/f you would see an "S!" or "Nice Kill!" from the loser, with a gracious "S!" from the winner. I'm not saying that does not happen now, but maybe if we all try, we can create that world again.

VW-IceFire
10-17-2004, 02:37 PM
The game is too popular now for that sort of thing. Lots of people who don't care about the history, the men, the stories, or the planes...just their kill tally. It happens...to nearly every game (except those born popular http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif).

Not to be a pessimist...but welcome to the world at large. It needs to be better eh?

steve_v
10-17-2004, 02:44 PM
Hang in there Boosher

http://home.earthlink.net/~viner45/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/mods.jpg

Waldo.Pepper
10-17-2004, 03:00 PM
S!

SkyChimp
10-17-2004, 03:08 PM
What's the problem, Boosher? I'm sure no one here will give you a hard time for a real problem.

blairgowrie
10-17-2004, 03:43 PM
That was a very sensitive and gut wrenching post Boosher. You are obviously troubled deeply about something. I can recall in my younger years contemplating harm to myself when things went badly for me. Such is the case, no longer. I love every day now. It's yours if you can find it. Many of us have been there and it takes a a lot of effort to find peace and contentment.

PBNA-Boosher
10-17-2004, 03:47 PM
well blairgowrie, I can assure you that suicide is not a consideration of mine. It doesn't prove any point, and I wouldn't be able to see the people I love if I were to do it.

SKULLS Virga
10-17-2004, 03:48 PM
Yes hang in there Boosh...

Like life, these forums have their ups and downs but it will come around again. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

SkyChimp
10-17-2004, 03:55 PM
If you do decide to off yourself, don't use a gun. They make terrible messes.

Seriously. lighten up. If you are 17, you still gat a lot of time ahead of you. Another girl will come along.

SKULLS Virga
10-17-2004, 04:01 PM
You have a graph for that Chimpy? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Zooly235
10-17-2004, 04:02 PM
life sucks man, get over it. not only you, but all the community would be depressed at my (family)life (no laughing matter guys).
anyway, hold your head high and laugh at life because life can be really, really hard.
~S~
Zooly

blairgowrie
10-17-2004, 04:02 PM
It would have been a quantum leap Boosher to think you were contemplating suicide. I was only trying to make a point that things will/ can look better, if you can come at something from a different perspective.

If I had really been serious about suicide, I wouldn't be here posting today. When things look dark that's when you have to reach down and try harder. That's all I was trying to say.

Yellonet
10-17-2004, 04:06 PM
Hey Boosh! Welcome back, haven't seen you in a while.

I'm sure this whole paranoia/accusing thing going on will hopefully be over soon, and the community back to it's old supportive self.

Real problems wouldn't be pissed on, not by most of the people in here anyway.

Whenever I have some kind of problem I like to step back and just look at my situation in the big picture, sure it might be bad, really bad, at the moment, but it WILL be better. Time heals.

Welcome back anyway.

JG52Uther
10-17-2004, 04:06 PM
Hang in there Boosher,i to use this game as an escape valve from real life,and also wonder at all grief and hassle that happens in here.some people just seem to post here now to start an argument.I hope it gets better for you mate (and this is from someone who spent the years 18-21 hopping about on crutches after a bad bike smash)this community does seem to have its ups and downs and i am sure it will go up again S! Uther

flockzap
10-17-2004, 04:12 PM
Hi Boosher.

I´m 31 years old, and I, as for every other person in here, had some real hard time in life... Hell... I´m having a dificult time right now, the job,way too big now for me to handle alone, I´m between 2 girls and really dunno which way to go, and the only time I feel relaxed and away from all the daily confusion that my life has become, is the few hours I spend playing or surfing in here.
Whe can see good and not so good in here, ranting complaining etc.

But one thing you can be sure of,(looking at this post) there is a lot of nice guys here, who are willing to help each other even, if they only know you from this place. There is no better community than this one that we can call ours.

Hang in there bud, at least you had more courage than I did and posted deep feelings. I was afraid to do it here a week ago, but from now on, I will post here if I´ll need advice.

I´m not native American so if any of my phrases don´t make any sense edit please.

Btw guys thanks for the community we still have.

Flock

SkyChimp
10-17-2004, 04:22 PM
I wish I was "between" two girls right now. I wouldn't even think of Boosher if I was. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

TAGERT.
10-17-2004, 04:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
You're a little young to be so melancholy. Sounds like you had a break-up. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>ROTFL! First thing I thought while reading it! ;0

flockzap
10-17-2004, 04:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SkyChimp:
I wish I was "between" two girls right now. I wouldn't even think of Boosher if I was. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It´s a hell of a situation Skychimp. I wish I wasn´t for sure. I really dunno what to do. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Eagle_361st
10-17-2004, 05:36 PM
Don't let the Fnebery of the forum get you down Boosher. Nor should you let the nimrodicy of life get you down either. Hey life get's rough for most of us real people, it's how you deal with the cards you are dealt that makes you the man you are. One thing to remember is that there is always something good if you have your eyes open to it. Don't focus on the negatives here or in the real world. Chuckle at how seriously some people take themselves here and/or how idiotic they can be. In real life find yourself 2-3 girls and get flirty, I don't want to be resposible for giving you bad ideas.................But you my friend should get laid, and you will see a whole new outlook on life. Just remember to carry a chute if you decide to fly the poontang airways though. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

sunflower1
10-17-2004, 06:08 PM
Try Thomas Mann's "A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man."

Captain_Avatar
10-17-2004, 06:43 PM
Hang in there Boosh. Everyone one the board pretty much accepts you for who you are. Rest assured we're all wishing you well and saying a prayer for you.

SkyChimp
10-17-2004, 06:45 PM
I think we should all take up a fund to get Boosher a girl.

WTE_Galway
10-17-2004, 06:47 PM
forget the girl

buy him a restored P51D .. that will renew his enthusiam for life in general and things aeronautical in particular http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LStarosta
10-17-2004, 08:09 PM
Boosh, same thing with the punk rock scene...

It used to be something that kids who didn't fit in well had a love for. An outlet, and an alternative to inebriation. It used to be not only a type of music, but in a way, a system of common values and morals.

Now it's portrayed as a trend, a marketing tool, a description for a hooligan. It's heart breaking when you go to the Warped Tour to see some of your favorite bands and be at the same venue with these 12 year old girls screaming their guts out to some sellout band who is self righteously labelling itself as a punk band and telling kids that to be punk, you need to be a rebel and f*ck authority by taking a piss on someone's property or something. It's even worse seeing these 12 year old kids going to shows of bands you've been fans of for YEARS, while they just heard maybe one single off a comp or something, and mindlessly headbang to music they have no possible understanding of.

What I learned is that you really gotta stop romanticizing the past. Accept the fact that things change, whether it be a game community or a music community, or whatever. The quicker you go with the flow, so to speak, the less relevant these changes will seem. Like the Buddhists say, nothing is permanent. To think otherwise leads to suffering, as you inadvertently pointed out.

I've accepted the fact that the punk scene that I once embraced because of its promotion of individuality and morality is long dead, and the only glimpse to the past is through bands and fans that still remember those good old days.

That's my little rant. I ask that you all refrain from lecturing me on what the punk scene was or is, or point out my or the scene's hypocrisies or faults or whatnot. I know all about it, and you'd be singing to the choir.

WTE_Galway
10-17-2004, 08:39 PM
seems to me the main change in the community over the past few years is whereas in the past was predominantly WWII aviation enthusiasts (many of whom where pilots or ex-military) who also where gamers and liked IL2 it is now predominantly gamers some, but not the majority, of whom have an interest in history and WWII aviation or are pilots

SkyChimp
10-17-2004, 09:13 PM
How about a girl with breasts like P-51D spinners?

Properella
10-17-2004, 09:28 PM
I remember when online gaming first became popular, there were a lot of "good jobs" and good sportsmanship, and attempts at companionship that people weren't getting in their real lives.

Some of the communities were honest and cool.

Nowadays, though, there is a prevalance of elitism and rudeness, and compensation for feelings (people would rather ridicule or act tough now than to admit to how they feel).

It was only a matter of time before the anonymity of the internet allowed the jerks to take over. Sure, there are still those nice ones, but also some of the most poisonous, insidious people that wouldn't be the way they are at all if they could only be that way be talking to people on the phone, writing a letter or speaking in front of others.

You'll just have to figure out yourself how to deal with it all or ask an outside source for help.

WUAF_Badsight
10-17-2004, 11:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
The game is too popular now for that sort of thing. Lots of people who don't care about the history, the men, the stories, or the planes...just their kill tally. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
pretty much

& its not gunna go back anytime soon

civildog
10-18-2004, 12:10 AM
Ya know, Boosher, there's a whole big world out there that's infinitely better at helping you deal with problems in real life than seeking refuge in an imaginary game and the internet. It's pretty dangerous to do otherwise. If you only have this to keep you going, what are you going to do when the power goes out after the apocalyptic nuclear/biological/chemical war?
No computers, no FB/PF/AEP, no internet porn, just road warriors and hunting mutants in the ruins.
So you'd be better off just getting it off your chest now while there's still time 'cuz the clock's ticking. ....but seriously:
In the meantime you can always take refuge in the truth that romantic fools may be poked fun at by most people, and don't always get the girl (at least maybe not the one they think they want , but they will in the end get the one they deserve) , but if it weren't for fools like us the world would be pretty dang dull. It's the romantic fool that climbs mountains, conquers the unknown, and lives the dreams others don't dare. Cyrano de'Bergerac said it best: "I feel too great for mere mortals, bring me giants!"

civildog
10-18-2004, 12:42 AM
I also recommend listening to weepy gypsy music, watching Casablanca, and ...most important of all...try not to take things sooo seriously - especially yourself.
I remember that was pretty hard at 17, but laughing at yourself once and a while is probably the best armor against the unwashed mob you'll ever have.

ploughman
10-18-2004, 02:18 AM
http://home.earthlink.net/~viner45/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/mods.jpg

That's so deja vu. When I was a kid our dog (a retriever with a little something else) had a Thompson, we went through seven postmen in just one month. Luckily he ran out of ammo.

Cheer up kid, the world is not only stranger than you suppose, it is stranger than you can suppose. The trick is learning to enjoy the ride.

F19_Ob
10-18-2004, 04:06 AM
Cheer up boosher....

Quite many good chaps still around....not so active in forums perhaps but still here.
Stats online I belive have a great part in the negative aspects. Serious "who is the best" competition online really only brings out the worst in people...haven't seen many positive effects of it yet. This mentality may ofcourse shine trough on the board aswell.

CZ AH Dedicated is a Czech server without stats and have a more relaxed atmosphere although the air contains high levels of lead.
U might enjoy it. Evevn some very competitive players visits and actually laugh when they get wasted and let their dead craft hit the ground before respawning.......quite nice I think.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


Anyway.....Since I joined F19 VS I have had a great time flying in the company of good mates (nice chaps all of them). I have flown many missions where I havent fired a shot on enemy planes (LoL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif)when flying wingie to a mate and trying to cover him or them, and so many of my kills are shared ones nowadays. Although my "killcount" is much less than it used to be I still have much more fun now and I have good laughs almost every flight. ( will never go back to acedom http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif)


Darn.....Boosher perhaps U should join a good squad with nice cheery mates?? Might do the trick.

crazyivan1970
10-18-2004, 04:39 AM
i usually don`t agree with Chimpy... but i think he got it right... Booshman needs a lady...with spinners or without. Hell i was 17 once too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

PBNA-Boosher
10-18-2004, 05:06 AM
Won't take a girl. Don't want one. Even with all the encouragement, my problem can only be solved by one person, and that's me. I don't see that happening any time soon, but eventually. However, just seeing this thread has brightened my spirits for the community.

Oh, and screw the P-51D. You guys know I hate it. Besides, we've got 2 AT-6's at my local airport.

crazyivan1970
10-18-2004, 05:25 AM
Oh come on Boosh... girls have this amazing ability... either bring person back to life... or totally destroy it hehe. Just have to make right choices http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Intruder_GP
10-18-2004, 08:34 AM
Oh come on Boosh... girls have this amazing ability... either bring person back to life... or totally destroy it hehe. Just have to make right choices.

Get destroyed 75% of the time

Metalarms
10-18-2004, 09:53 AM
As we say,
A girl coul€d make of a man a poet or a writer, but never a scientist€¦

rummyrum
10-18-2004, 11:56 AM
Chickens have teeth but dont give'em any chewing gum.

I think we need to bring back the pilots lounge so you can recall the good ole days. You think it is a stagnant swamp these days...

BSS_Goat
10-18-2004, 12:31 PM
or the Boosh could just choke the chicken like normal 17 year olds..... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Capt.England
10-18-2004, 12:45 PM
Try a sheep instead! just take one up to a cliff edge and get a ride of your life...
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Anyway, always remember that somewhere in the world that there is someone worse than you...most of the time it's me! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Monty_Thrud
10-18-2004, 01:04 PM
Its hard isnt it...girls or ...mmm where was i
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif
http://premium.uploadit.org/bsamania/mccools104.jpg

or..

http://premium.uploadit.org/bsamania/p47real.jpg

CAP401
10-18-2004, 03:01 PM
This entire thing has me ROFL. I have one word to descripe it:

LOL

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Ankanor
10-18-2004, 07:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Monty_Thrud:
Its hard isnt it...girls or ...mmm where was i
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif
http://premium.uploadit.org/bsamania/mccools104.jpg

or..

http://premium.uploadit.org/bsamania/p47real.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I take Liv, thank you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. Honestly, I don't believe anyone who says they are going to take the JUG. I mean, come on!!!

Snyde-Dastardly
10-18-2004, 07:44 PM
Id take the Jug!!!

FI_Willie
10-18-2004, 07:58 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif If it Flies, floats, or fornicates, it is by FAR cheaper to RENT than to own,, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Philipscdrw
10-18-2004, 08:25 PM
I may be a naive idiot, but I thought Boosher was talking about his love of the history of aircraft and the Second World War, and the Il-2 series and community.

And MetAlarms,



As we say,
A girl coul€d make of a man a poet or a writer, but never a scientist€¦

Hey! I'm an engineer, which is a type of scientist! What are you implying??

SKULLS Virga
10-18-2004, 09:45 PM
"Hey! I'm an engineer, which is a type of scientist! What are you implying??"

I think he means you must have done it to yourself. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

El Turo
10-18-2004, 10:20 PM
Young Master Boosher..


Try to remind yourself that life is 5% what happens to you and 95% how you react to it. Life is never so difficult or evil that it warrants an extended voyage through the seas of self pity and misery. If you are staying on the S.S. Misery for an extended period of time.. you gotta shake yourself out of it and remind yourself that it is a choice you get to make.

When you get the chance, a great book to read about a pair of biplane pilots in the cornfields of the midwest:

Illusions: Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah, by Richard Bach

I try to re-read this one at least once a year to remind myself not to take life so seriously.

Best,

~T.

diomedes33
10-18-2004, 10:53 PM
Cheer up boosher. The worst part is over.

I've been through some tough spots myself. Its never as bad as it seems at the time. Everytime I've been heart broken or let down by life. In hindsight, I realize how stupid I am for obsessing over it for so long.

At one point in my life I thought I was going to fail out of college and be a bum for the rest of it. Now I'm a senior undergrad in aerospace engineering. (However there is that whole girl versus studytime inverse relationship thing that really sucks; drops off to zero girl time sophmore year).

When I finally sat down and delt with it, I turned a bad situation into a better one. Like some of the others have said the less you dwell on things that can't be changed, the better off you'll be.

If anyone feels like their life is in the crapper, I have a book to recomend.

Diving Bell and the Butterfly, Jean Dominique Bauby
Its an autobiography of a man who was in a car accident and now can only blink his left eye. He wrote the entire book about how he survives his day and how he remains happy. Very powerful and compelling story.

WTE_Galway
10-19-2004, 12:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SKULLS Virga:
"Hey! I'm an engineer, which is a type of scientist! What are you implying??"

I think he means you must have done it to yourself. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Engineers are NOT types of scientists !!!

Engineers take difficult problems and create elegant practical solutions to overcome that problem in the real world.

Scientists take simple phenomena and create obscure experiments to explain the simple in a complex and confusing fashion.

To put it another way:

"Scientists didn't put man on the moon, engineers did"

ploughman
10-19-2004, 01:55 AM
Scientists told you where to point your big, bad, rocket though. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Philipscdrw
10-19-2004, 05:00 AM
LOL, ok I'm definitely an Engineer. Although in certain circumstances it is very easy for me to explain phenomena which appear quite simple and straightforward on the surface in such a way that the majority of any sample of a large population (i.e. USA, UK, California) will have to ask me to repeat myself because they haven't got the slightest clue what I'm blithering on about.

rummyrum
10-19-2004, 05:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ploughman:
Scientists told you where to point your big, bad, rocket though. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

El Turo
10-20-2004, 09:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rummyrum:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ploughman:
Scientists told you where to point your big, bad, rocket though. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hehe.. funneh!

SKULLS_Virga
10-20-2004, 09:50 AM
"Engineers are NOT types of scientists !!!

Engineers take difficult problems and create elegant practical solutions to overcome that problem in the real world."

Since when do engineers know anything about the real world??? They live in a utopia of self praise and freedom from the laws of Murphy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

BM357_TinMan
10-20-2004, 10:16 AM
yes, but they can both add an infinite series of numbers (given that series meets specific critera ofcoarse), which I think is a bit of a neat parlor trick http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif