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Buseye1971
06-16-2007, 10:37 AM
I mean is this about persecuting & ridiculing Christians and their beliefs?, because back in the days of these Crusaders they slipped away from doing God's will and became obsessed with inflicting bodily harm as well as fear & intimidation upon others .
They would rape,maim,torture and kill and would say that they was doing it in the name of God of which they were truly doing these vile and unchristian like acts in the name of their own self greed and hunger for power over others.

DOGSKING
06-16-2007, 10:53 AM
Its about Altair losing his rank and becomng the lowest of the low, to regain it he must got to the holy lands and kill 9 people. While doing this he uncovers a conpiracy about the all the people

Somewhere in the game it has a sci-fi twist and is something about genetic memory.

ThePheonix1030
06-16-2007, 10:56 AM
Originally posted by DOGSKING:
Its about Altair losing his rank and becomng the lowest of the low, to regain it he must got to the holy lands and kill 9 people. While doing this he uncovers a conpiracy about the all the people

Can you post a link to that?

moqqy
06-16-2007, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by ThePheonix1030:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DOGSKING:
Its about Altair losing his rank and becomng the lowest of the low, to regain it he must got to the holy lands and kill 9 people. While doing this he uncovers a conpiracy about the all the people

Can you post a link to that? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It's true what he said

ThePheonix1030
06-16-2007, 11:23 AM
I'm not saying that he is lying. I do believe him. But it would be nice if someone were to post any link that says this...

Please http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

RetiredHatch
06-16-2007, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by moqqy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ThePheonix1030:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DOGSKING:
Its about Altair losing his rank and becomng the lowest of the low, to regain it he must got to the holy lands and kill 9 people. While doing this he uncovers a conpiracy about the all the people

Can you post a link to that? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It's true what he said </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gifI back him up too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

ThePheonix1030
06-16-2007, 11:31 AM
Okay, I'm sorry guys. Yall have been members longer than me and moqqy, you spend a lot of time on this forum even after the fact that you joined after me and already have 100 more posts than me. I believe you all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

RetiredHatch
06-16-2007, 11:42 AM
umm here i didnt see you ask lol

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iFVleWu72Sc

lemme find the one where she says exactly that but i'll post this first

ThePheonix1030
06-16-2007, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by RetiredHatch:
umm here i didnt see you ask lol
http://youtube.com/watch?v=iFVleWu72Sc

Oh, I remember this video now. Thanks for posting it to remind me, RetiredHatch http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

RetiredHatch
06-16-2007, 11:55 AM
here's another vid

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sEcLxrJWonA =P where she talks about it

ThePheonix1030
06-16-2007, 12:00 PM
Cool beans. Thanks again, RetiredHatch http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

RetiredHatch
06-16-2007, 12:25 PM
yay for beans that are cool ^^ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

noobfun
06-16-2007, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by Buseye1971:
I mean is this about persecuting & ridiculing Christians and their beliefs?, because back in the days of these Crusaders they slipped away from doing God's will and became obsessed with inflicting bodily harm as well as fear & intimidation upon others .
They would rape,maim,torture and kill and would say that they was doing it in the name of God of which they were truly doing these vile and unchristian like acts in the name of their own self greed and hunger for power over others.

blah blah blah your wrong in so many ways

this could be fun guys i get to have my favorite history based discussion only being pro christian this time woohoo ^_^ make a change been pro muslim about 6 times so far

Pinjani10
06-16-2007, 01:04 PM
It has nothing to do about Persecuting Christians, your killing people on both sides (muslim)

PapaJoey
06-17-2007, 01:13 PM
Wow, that video cleared up alot of mysteries.

moqqy
06-17-2007, 01:31 PM
Originally posted by noobfun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Buseye1971:
I mean is this about persecuting & ridiculing Christians and their beliefs?, because back in the days of these Crusaders they slipped away from doing God's will and became obsessed with inflicting bodily harm as well as fear & intimidation upon others .
They would rape,maim,torture and kill and would say that they was doing it in the name of God of which they were truly doing these vile and unchristian like acts in the name of their own self greed and hunger for power over others.

blah blah blah your wrong in so many ways

this could be fun guys i get to have my favorite history based discussion only being pro christian this time woohoo ^_^ make a change been pro muslim about 6 times so far </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i'll be nice to you..


the christians TOTALLY were the only bad guys in the crusades, muslims didnt even THINK of killing anyone and they only killed soldiers, no peasants were killed!

the christians only raped tortured etc and did it in the name of god! no good intentions were behind the crusades and the pope had a conspiracy going on with the french king where they wanted to steal the muslim technology, thats the real reason!

yes, truly, every christian in the crusades were serial killers with no feelings.

so in short: muslims did NOTHING WRONG AND CHRISTIANS DID EVERYTHING RIGHT!!

i bet you cant counter that noobfun!!!

chewie1890
06-17-2007, 01:37 PM
Wait, what?

moqqy
06-17-2007, 01:40 PM
What?

chewie1890
06-17-2007, 01:49 PM
I didn't understand a word of what you said in that post, can I get a bit of clarification?

noobfun
06-17-2007, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by moqqy:
What?

very easily

which crusade do you want to use or can i have free rein over all 7 or 8 of them?

BOTH sides slaughtered the innocent

muslims had a habit of dividing captives up and carting them off to be slaves, they only took the attractive and strong because it was acceptable for women slaves/servants to be forced to have sex with you, and the strong well slave life isnt that great and the strong of body tend to live longer

when saladin captured jerusalem he had promised the other muslim leaders that no surrender would be accepted and all christian and jews would be slaughtered as one of the conditions for the other muslim leaders to put thier armies under his control

saladin saw how many men he was loosing taking the city and knew he would have an inefective sized force if he took it by force and he would struggle to raise a large defensive force if the crusaders came back (as they did during the third crusade) which is why he accepted terms for surrender

i can bring plenty more if you like just let me pull a few sources for info ^_^

so far ive defended the muslims twice becasue both people were trying to prove how evil muslims were and how great and guilt free the christians were

1 did this because he was christian(the one you took part in) and one from b4 you were around who was a jew from israel who went on to try and teach us how israel and all jews were truly right in everything(even today with thier aggressive and disabilitating treatment of palestine) and muslims were as evil today as they were in the crusade's

moqqy
06-17-2007, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by noobfun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:
What?

very easily

which crusade do you want to use or can i have free rein over all 7 or 8 of them?

BOTH sides slaughtered the innocent

muslims had a habit of dividing captives up and carting them off to be slaves, they only took the attractive and strong because it was acceptable for women slaves/servants to be forced to have sex with you, and the strong well slave life isnt that great and the strong of body tend to live longer

when saladin captured jerusalem he had promised the other muslim leaders that no surrender would be accepted and all christian and jews would be slaughtered as one of the conditions for the other muslim leaders to put thier armies under his control

saladin saw how many men he was loosing taking the city and knew he would have an inefective sized force if he took it by force and he would struggle to raise a large defensive force if the crusaders came back (as they did during the third crusade) which is why he accepted terms for surrender

i can bring plenty more if you like just let me pull a few sources for info ^_^

so far ive defended the muslims twice becasue both people were trying to prove how evil muslims were and how great and guilt free the christians were

1 did this because he was christian(the one you took part in) and one from b4 you were around who was a jew from israel who went on to try and teach us how israel and all jews were truly right in everything(even today with thier aggressive and disabilitating treatment of palestine) and muslims were as evil today as they were in the crusade's </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Nice, that's what I was expecting!
If you didn't notice, I wasn't serious, but you said it's your favourite history based discussion so I gave you something to argue against!

Again, nice info

But, you could still post some stuff about the third crusade, since that's when the game is happening. I mean, what happened then, who massacred who etc, some stuff like you posted earlier!

noobfun
06-17-2007, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by moqqy

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Nice, that's what I was expecting!
If you didn't notice, I wasn't serious, but you said it's your favourite history based discussion so I gave you something to argue against!

Again, nice info

i know m8 but its not as much fun if its not against a true believer

no matter how misguided that belief is

usually id spend a few hours pouring through historical documents and researching(yeah yeah im a bit nerdy at times) and learn lots of fun new things

moqqy
06-17-2007, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by noobfun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Nice, that's what I was expecting!
If you didn't notice, I wasn't serious, but you said it's your favourite history based discussion so I gave you something to argue against!

Again, nice info

i know m8 but its not as much fun if its not against a true believer

no matter how misguided that belief is

usually id spend a few hours pouring through historical documents and researching(yeah yeah im a bit nerdy at times) and learn lots of fun new things </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

hahha http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif off topic a little; is

Daftary, Farhad (Institute of Isma'ili Studies, London) Daftary, Farhad (Institute of Isma'ili Studies, London)
Assassin Legends

a good book? since from what i saw in the reviews at amazon, people said it didnt have the "they used drugs omgg they had gardens!!!" stuff. do you know about this? it's pretty cheap too.

noobfun
06-17-2007, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by moqqy:

hahha http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif off topic a little; is

Daftary, Farhad (Institute of Isma'ili Studies, London) Daftary, Farhad (Institute of Isma'ili Studies, London)
Assassin Legends

a good book? since from what i saw in the reviews at amazon, people said it didnt have the "they used drugs omgg they had gardens!!!" stuff. do you know about this? it's pretty cheap too.

not read it but it looks very interesting, most of the sources appear to be of islamic origin, and it dispells a lot of the myths

the nizari were an offshoot of the ishma'ili so the early history of the ishma'ili is also that of the nizari (the ishma'ili had been using the assasination style made famous by the nizari hundreds of years before the religeous split

not sure if the more interesting sides of religous beliefs and practices will be covered though as they are very very different to mainstream islamic practices which nizari today prescribe to

moqqy
06-17-2007, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by noobfun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:

hahha http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif off topic a little; is

Daftary, Farhad (Institute of Isma'ili Studies, London) Daftary, Farhad (Institute of Isma'ili Studies, London)
Assassin Legends

a good book? since from what i saw in the reviews at amazon, people said it didnt have the "they used drugs omgg they had gardens!!!" stuff. do you know about this? it's pretty cheap too.
not sure if the more interesting sides of religous beliefs and practices will be covered though as they are very very different to mainstream islamic practices which nizari today prescribe to </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ok, but what do you mean by that? it isn't about the mainstream islamic practices is it?

noobfun
06-17-2007, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by moqqy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by noobfun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:

hahha http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif off topic a little; is

Daftary, Farhad (Institute of Isma'ili Studies, London) Daftary, Farhad (Institute of Isma'ili Studies, London)
Assassin Legends

a good book? since from what i saw in the reviews at amazon, people said it didnt have the "they used drugs omgg they had gardens!!!" stuff. do you know about this? it's pretty cheap too.
not sure if the more interesting sides of religous beliefs and practices will be covered though as they are very very different to mainstream islamic practices which nizari today prescribe to </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ok, but what do you mean by that? it isn't about the mainstream islamic practices is it? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

for me one of the most interesting aspects of the nizari was the religeous evolution that lead to and was the reserection

if you read the comments on wiki's hashassin entry one of the comments goes somthing like

im a nizari muslim and this is all lies its anti islamic propoganda

i dont think the religeous practices are going to be covered that deeply

its written with help from the institue of ishma'ili studies so i think its gonna go the politically correct way and skip over that so it wont offend ishma'ili or nizari muslims

i may be very very wrong on that, if you read it and it covers the heretical religeous bits let me know, itll make it even more worth tracking down

moqqy
06-17-2007, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by noobfun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by noobfun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:

hahha http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif off topic a little; is

Daftary, Farhad (Institute of Isma'ili Studies, London) Daftary, Farhad (Institute of Isma'ili Studies, London)
Assassin Legends

a good book? since from what i saw in the reviews at amazon, people said it didnt have the "they used drugs omgg they had gardens!!!" stuff. do you know about this? it's pretty cheap too.
not sure if the more interesting sides of religous beliefs and practices will be covered though as they are very very different to mainstream islamic practices which nizari today prescribe to </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ok, but what do you mean by that? it isn't about the mainstream islamic practices is it? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

for me one of the most interesting aspects of the nizari was the religeous evolution that lead to and was the reserection

if you read the comments on wiki's hashassin entry one of the comments goes somthing like

im a nizari muslim and this is all lies its anti islamic propoganda

i dont think the religeous practices are going to be covered that deeply

its written with help from the institue of ishma'ili studies so i think its gonna go the politically correct way and skip over that so it wont offend ishma'ili or nizari muslims

i may be very very wrong on that, if you read it and it covers the heretical religeous bits let me know, itll make it even more worth tracking down </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ok thanks for clearing that up! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif thats what i thought you meant, wasn't clear. and yep, i'll tell you when i got it finished. i'll get it probably wednesday, thursday or friday, and it is 200 pages, and a heavy read from what i heard - it will probably take me a day or two. but since i do not have a computer available next weekend, i'll inform you next monday! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

noobfun
06-17-2007, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by moqqy:

ok thanks for clearing that up! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif thats what i thought you meant, wasn't clear. and yep, i'll tell you when i got it finished. i'll get it probably wednesday, thursday or friday, and it is 200 pages, and a heavy read from what i heard - it will probably take me a day or two. but since i do not have a computer available next weekend, i'll inform you next monday! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

danke ^_^ much appreciated

moqqy
06-18-2007, 12:09 AM
I found this review of the book, seems like a good one

http://ismaili.net/Source/fd0328d.html

so hmm, dunno if i'll get it or Hodgsons book, since daftary seems to focus much on the counter-arguments.

if you read the review, tell me what you think, are there better books, like hodgsons Order of The assassins?

noobfun
06-18-2007, 12:33 AM
Originally posted by moqqy:
I found this review of the book, seems like a good one

http://ismaili.net/Source/fd0328d.html

so hmm, dunno if i'll get it or Hodgsons book, since daftary seems to focus much on the counter-arguments.

if you read the review, tell me what you think, are there better books, like hodgsons Order of The assassins?

yeah judging from that review he does a bit of podium climbing, i can understand the defensive preaching he's trying to turn the pages back on almost a 1000 years of myths lies and discrimination

over all looks agood book, not sure about the inclussion of a a complete french book but hey it filled some pages i guess

Wladimir Ivanow, Marshall G. Hodgson are/were the pinackle of study of the nizari and ishma'ili so thier books tend to be more factual less preachy

read a couple of papers by ivanow about the ishma'ili kinda heavy reading like wading through treacle the 2 i read

so hodgson sounds good

moqqy
06-18-2007, 01:55 AM
Originally posted by noobfun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:
I found this review of the book, seems like a good one

http://ismaili.net/Source/fd0328d.html

so hmm, dunno if i'll get it or Hodgsons book, since daftary seems to focus much on the counter-arguments.

if you read the review, tell me what you think, are there better books, like hodgsons Order of The assassins?

yeah judging from that review he does a bit of podium climbing, i can understand the defensive preaching he's trying to turn the pages back on almost a 1000 years of myths lies and discrimination

over all looks agood book, not sure about the inclussion of a a complete french book but hey it filled some pages i guess

Wladimir Ivanow, Marshall G. Hodgson are/were the pinackle of study of the nizari and ishma'ili so thier books tend to be more factual less preachy

read a couple of papers by ivanow about the ishma'ili kinda heavy reading like wading through treacle the 2 i read

so hodgson sounds good </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

theres something though, my local book stores suck so im not sure if "The Secret Order of Assassins" is same as "The Order of Assassins", both from hogdson. And the bookstore only got the secret order thing


what i mean is that the official name seems to be the order of assassins, but i can only find the secret order of assassins from hogdson.

noobfun
06-18-2007, 02:47 AM
Originally posted by moqqy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by noobfun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:
I found this review of the book, seems like a good one

http://ismaili.net/Source/fd0328d.html

so hmm, dunno if i'll get it or Hodgsons book, since daftary seems to focus much on the counter-arguments.

if you read the review, tell me what you think, are there better books, like hodgsons Order of The assassins?

yeah judging from that review he does a bit of podium climbing, i can understand the defensive preaching he's trying to turn the pages back on almost a 1000 years of myths lies and discrimination

over all looks agood book, not sure about the inclussion of a a complete french book but hey it filled some pages i guess

Wladimir Ivanow, Marshall G. Hodgson are/were the pinackle of study of the nizari and ishma'ili so thier books tend to be more factual less preachy

read a couple of papers by ivanow about the ishma'ili kinda heavy reading like wading through treacle the 2 i read

so hodgson sounds good </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

theres something though, my local book stores suck so im not sure if "The Secret Order of Assassins" is same as "The Order of Assassins", both from hogdson. And the bookstore only got the secret order thing


what i mean is that the official name seems to be the order of assassins, but i can only find the secret order of assassins from hogdson. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

can only find limited info about order of the assassins

think this may have been the hardcover title, with it bieng changed slightly for the paper back that came out several years later according to amazon

moqqy
06-18-2007, 02:49 AM
Originally posted by noobfun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by noobfun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:
I found this review of the book, seems like a good one

http://ismaili.net/Source/fd0328d.html

so hmm, dunno if i'll get it or Hodgsons book, since daftary seems to focus much on the counter-arguments.

if you read the review, tell me what you think, are there better books, like hodgsons Order of The assassins?

yeah judging from that review he does a bit of podium climbing, i can understand the defensive preaching he's trying to turn the pages back on almost a 1000 years of myths lies and discrimination

over all looks agood book, not sure about the inclussion of a a complete french book but hey it filled some pages i guess

Wladimir Ivanow, Marshall G. Hodgson are/were the pinackle of study of the nizari and ishma'ili so thier books tend to be more factual less preachy

read a couple of papers by ivanow about the ishma'ili kinda heavy reading like wading through treacle the 2 i read

so hodgson sounds good </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

theres something though, my local book stores suck so im not sure if "The Secret Order of Assassins" is same as "The Order of Assassins", both from hogdson. And the bookstore only got the secret order thing


what i mean is that the official name seems to be the order of assassins, but i can only find the secret order of assassins from hogdson. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

can only find limited info about order of the assassins

think this may have been the hardcover title, with it bieng changed slightly for the paper back that came out several years later according to amazon </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ahh yeah, i think the order of the assassins was released in 1995 and the secret order of the assassins 2005..

noobfun
06-18-2007, 03:01 AM
Originally posted by moqqy:

ahh yeah, i think the order of the assassins was released in 1995 and the secret order of the assassins 2005..

they are reprints the 2005 version has the original 1955

so theres gonna be more recent books out there its just a case of avoiding the myth filled junk

so haha/hala lung's work is a deffinate no no, the guy trys to turn them in to ninjas masters of darkness in one of his and i use the term loosley book

moqqy
06-18-2007, 03:05 AM
Originally posted by noobfun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:

ahh yeah, i think the order of the assassins was released in 1995 and the secret order of the assassins 2005..

they are reprints the 2005 version has the original 1955

so theres gonna be more recent books out there its just a case of avoiding the myth filled junk

so haha/hala lung's work is a deffinate no no, the guy trys to turn them in to ninjas masters of darkness in one of his and i use the term loosley book </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yep, its bad that theres still these books filled with this drug/garden stuff and the hashashhin kidnapping children to be trained as hashasshin, since alot of people think that anything they read from a book is 100% true
(Seen few of these in here too..)

noobfun
06-18-2007, 03:10 AM
Originally posted by moqqy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by noobfun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:

ahh yeah, i think the order of the assassins was released in 1995 and the secret order of the assassins 2005..

they are reprints the 2005 version has the original 1955

so theres gonna be more recent books out there its just a case of avoiding the myth filled junk

so haha/hala lung's work is a deffinate no no, the guy trys to turn them in to ninjas masters of darkness in one of his and i use the term loosley book </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yep, its bad that theres still these books filled with this drug/garden stuff and the hashashhin kidnapping children to be trained as hashasshin, since alot of people think that anything they read from a book is 100% true
(Seen few of these in here too..) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yeah ive had the crusaders good saracens bad a couple of times..... the nizari were all crazed drugies about 7 times lol

its was a popular thing to do at one point read wiki then come here and amaze us with thier intricate knowledge of everything nizari

moqqy
06-18-2007, 03:11 AM
Originally posted by noobfun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by noobfun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:

ahh yeah, i think the order of the assassins was released in 1995 and the secret order of the assassins 2005..

they are reprints the 2005 version has the original 1955

so theres gonna be more recent books out there its just a case of avoiding the myth filled junk

so haha/hala lung's work is a deffinate no no, the guy trys to turn them in to ninjas masters of darkness in one of his and i use the term loosley book </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yep, its bad that theres still these books filled with this drug/garden stuff and the hashashhin kidnapping children to be trained as hashasshin, since alot of people think that anything they read from a book is 100% true
(Seen few of these in here too..) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yeah ive had the crusaders good saracens bad a couple of times..... the nizari were all crazed drugies about 7 times lol

its was a popular thing to do at one point read wiki then come here and amaze us with thier intricate knowledge of everything nizari </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yeah hahah, how many of those threads, someone starts a thread with a name : Did you know ?!?!?

and then they amazed us all by copying wiki

RGS_Ghost
06-21-2007, 08:19 AM
isn't an assassin usually hired by some one? i wonder who could have hired altair...

moqqy
06-21-2007, 08:34 AM
Originally posted by RGS_Ghost:
i think the franchise story is about DNA. Everybody has it. It could be that through a persons DNA they can see the memories of one of that person his ancistors through a matrix like machine. A corporation could have invented a machine that can "unlock/find" those hidden memories in a persons DNA, JR said that it wasn't exactly like the matrix in an interview Also if you look at last years live demo from the X06 you see years the frase Memory after Altair died, far fetched? who knows we will see. As for Assassins Creed the games story i dont have a clue who hired altair to stop the third crusade.

dont post it in many places

noobfun
06-21-2007, 10:57 AM
Originally posted by RGS_Ghost:
i dont have a clue who hired altair to stop the third crusade.

you didnt hire nizari fida,well not until mid to late 13th century when they basically became hired killers

if they killed you it was for political gain of the nizari people

skutatos
06-22-2007, 05:33 PM
The Crusaders never went to convert or massacre all muslims, they simply went to reclaim all their holy place which had been closed off to them in the late 11th century, till then muslims and christians left each other alone in the middle east for the most part even though the land originally belonged to christians when the muslims showed up.

Once the crusader states were formed, the vast majority of their populations were in fact muslims and they treated them as any other subjects for the most part, it varied depending on the rulers of course.

Also the fact that you often had muslims fighting on the side of crusaders or even european christians on the side of muslims just further shows that the crusades weren't so much an argument of religions but a clash of cultures.

In Europe at the time the crusades were actually a fairly contentious event, many fearing that it perverted the name of christianity so crusaders were often actually under pressure to behave properly in order to maintain support with the more devout.

The Holy Land was notoriously poor for plundering so they didn't make much money off it either.

Something else to keep in mind is the fact that most of our misconceptions about the middle ages comes from the 16th and 17th century when "scholars" dug up every little black mark they could on the catholic church and various kingdoms. The word crusade and therefore crusades and crusaders, was actually an invention of the late 16th century. The crusaders never would have called themselves such.

It amazes me that so many people criticize the crusades and medieval christian so much and yet ignore the rampant islamic military expansionism starting in the 7th century until September 11 1683(when the turks were finally turned back at the battle of vienna by a european coalition).

The true superpowers of the middle ages were all islamic, so this idea of the powerful mighty christian crusaders beating up the little guys is also wrong.

I fear this game will just follow the basic assumptions about both sides:
Crusaders= Stupid, Fanatics, Evil
Saracens= Smart, Moderates, Good

Wangzter
06-22-2007, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by skutatos:
I fear this game will just follow the basic assumptions about both sides:
Crusaders= Stupid, Fanatics, Evil
Saracens= Smart, Moderates, Good
It won't. The game isn't really about religion or which side is good or bad. Altair is assassinating people/leaders on both sides of the crusades, and all the while uncovers a deeper conspiracy.

chicko1983
06-22-2007, 05:45 PM
The Holy Land was notoriously poor for plundering so they didn't make much money off it either.


The holy land was poor for plundering but the countries controlling the land made a lot of money from "donations", in the form of taxes on their people, cause it was seen as a worthy cause by many to spend money on protecting.

I usually dont read the threads about the game storyline. Im trying to not make any preconceptions about this games storyline, although it is bloody hard. This games storyline isnt based on historical fact, the city layout, peoples look, buildings, sounds etc are though.

Man, people will soon be writing that this game is so unrealistic cause in it they use this thing called "genetic memory" or something like that and that doesnt exist so how can this game be real? its not real its a game!

skutatos
06-22-2007, 07:22 PM
I know they got plenty of donations, especially the various orders, but for your average soldier on the crusades, there wasn't much to be had.

Now Im going to nitpick and ask...if this is the 3rd crusade why do people have 11th century NORMAN haircuts(the awful, half head shaved), which were only popular until about the very early 12th century when the popular hairstyle became long hair with beards?

Artist's(fairly accurate)depiction of Richard the Lionheart during the 3rd Crusade:
http://www.directart.co.uk/mall/images/dhm1016.jpg

I kid, I kid, I don't expect them to get every detail right, Im sure they are aware what was in fashion around the time of the 3rd crusade, but that norman haircut is just too darn unique to leave out I imagine http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

noobfun
06-22-2007, 11:43 PM
Originally posted by skutatos:
I know they got plenty of donations, especially the various orders, but for your average soldier on the crusades, there wasn't much to be had.



i dunno they managed to do ok on a few occassions during the first crusade


This may seem strange to you. Our squires and poorer footmen discovered a trick of the Saracens, for they learned that they could find byzants [note: a gold coin] in the stomachs and intestines of the dead Saracens, who had swallowed them. Thus, after several days they burned a great heap of dead bodies, that they might more easily get the precious metal from the ashes.

there was another account from the first crusade that the first man to enter a house was the owner of any spoils found within, it didnt matter if it was a palace of shack

and the usual battlefield looting of course (really the mian source of extra cash after the first crusade)

but any real wealth was gained from control of sea ports and taxing the opposite faith for being able to worship, but the average man didnt see that it went straight to the ruling class

yoo_luke
06-22-2007, 11:54 PM
Originally posted by Wangzter:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by skutatos:
I fear this game will just follow the basic assumptions about both sides:
Crusaders= Stupid, Fanatics, Evil
Saracens= Smart, Moderates, Good
It won't. The game isn't really about religion or which side is good or bad. Altair is assassinating people/leaders on both sides of the crusades, and all the while uncovers a deeper conspiracy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree. On wikipedia, it says something like this : " He is not a man of religion, but a spiritual person, probably because his mother is Christian, and his father Muslim. " So I guess there are no biased side to this story, both sides are bad.

Sources: Wikipedia (not reliable, I know)

Barthe7ruth
06-23-2007, 01:48 AM
People always gotta drag "good" and "bad" into history, don't they? Ditch the baggage; it'll only muddle up your view of everything. And while we're at it, maybe we can do something about that strictly positivist attitude that so many people assume towards historical accounts.

That's not really directed at anybody specific; just throwing it out there because I smell the stench of moralization in this here thread.

noobfun
06-23-2007, 04:31 AM
Originally posted by Barthe7ruth:
People always gotta drag "good" and "bad" into history, don't they? Ditch the baggage; it'll only muddle up your view of everything. And while we're at it, maybe we can do something about that strictly positivist attitude that so many people assume towards historical accounts.

That's not really directed at anybody specific; just throwing it out there because I smell the stench of moralization in this here thread.

your right we cant accept historical accounts as totally accurate, like thier modern news equivalent they make it a story, exagerate some parts ignore others

but they are the only source we have for first and second hand accounts


the way we are taught is this is good this is bad

your parents told you dont do that its bad, do (what ever) like a good boy

in school the same good/bad

religeon teaches how to be good (do what it says) and that if you dont do it or you follow a different religeon your bad

the news tells us bad iran wont do what good america says

its no suprise the world is viewed as black and white and not the shades of grey it is