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269GA-Veltro
10-18-2004, 01:20 AM
http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/1233.html#3

Feathered_IV
10-18-2004, 06:24 AM
Wah!

Running out of excuses now!

owlwatcher
10-18-2004, 10:25 AM
Bumping this

Hint

Stiglr
10-18-2004, 10:56 AM
Once again, what good is it to model a Kate, a PURE torp bomber, if they're not going to bother to model torpedos correctly???

Until that happens, torp planes should be AI only, assuming the AI planes will be "programmed" to make proper torp drops.

JG53Frankyboy
10-18-2004, 11:08 AM
always the same blabla !

torpedos will be only work in PF if you release them low , confirmed by oleg . sure, nothing told about max speed . but thats better than nothing

than , there will be new Topedoplanes in PF , just no carrierbased so far.

than , calling the B5N2 a pure torpedo bomber is pure ignorance. they VERY often were armed with Bombs ! just think about why there should be a bombsight in the middle cockpit !

Tater-SW-
10-18-2004, 11:14 AM
Could any reviewers (C6, FS, etc) test drop a torp from series of alts/speeds and put this to rest or not?

tater

Pappy113
10-18-2004, 12:15 PM
wasnt quite sure where to post this but looked as good as any place. i am hoping there will be alot of forgotten planes added to pf, the australian wirraways and boomerangs as well as some older us and japanese planes. i work in the mid atlantic air museum and go on tour to other museums all the time. any help i can give oleg or any modders please contact me. i can get pics of most planes and cockpits or get you the historical info you need. i am hoping alot of the old planes are not forgotten since they did play a very important part in the beginning of the conflict and to honor the men that flew them. contact me at sully123@earthlink.net with anything i can do to help sirs.

thanks you
pappy

aminx
10-18-2004, 12:24 PM
whats the excuse going to be this time ???besides torps it dropped a 800kg bomb.

aminx

DuxCorvan
10-18-2004, 12:25 PM
I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt any flyable aircraft in PF to have torpedoes as ordnance. I don't mean they had not in real life. I know some planes (A-20, Betty) could launch torpedoes. But I doubt that will be included in the game.

Because the "no references" excuse always have looked a little weak to me. OK for Kate -although I doubted you couldn't find any info in a serious book research- but must be a lot of data about Avenger and Devastator out there, even if you must leave back seaters apart. The only reason for not having Avenger is that if you want all three seats, it is a lot of work, almost like a medium bomber: the situation of them are unconventional.

Or that there's a serious issue with human launched torpedo.

Please, someone to tell I'm wrong! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

aminx
10-18-2004, 12:29 PM
kate with 800kg bomb

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v76/aminx/kate1.jpg
aminx

aminx
10-18-2004, 12:31 PM
KATE with a lovely torpedo

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v76/aminx/kate.jpg
aminx

aminx
10-18-2004, 12:35 PM
thats back in january when i was battling to get information from the dev team on wether all these 3 planes would be included.Never got a reply.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v76/aminx/77.jpg


aminx

horseback
10-18-2004, 12:56 PM
Torpwhiners, that's what you are, you're all torpwhiners!

Now that you've been properly identified and labelled, we can now safely ignore you, and concentrate on the important stuff, like the diameter of the Corsair's relief tube, and whether it's been over- or under-modelled.

cheers

horseback

DuxCorvan
10-18-2004, 02:07 PM
If Corsair's relief tube is too narrow, how will I release my torpedos? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

MooseNoodles
10-18-2004, 03:38 PM
Nice Tomahawk sig mate http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

GT182
10-18-2004, 03:56 PM
Pappy113, great to see a fellow member here from MAAM. Hope some of the other guys are waiting for PF too. I bet Bill is waiting also. I wish he's do an Avenger and B25 for Oleg that could be used in PF as he's done with Briefing Time for FS 2002 and 2004. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

~S!~

Gibbage1
10-18-2004, 05:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pappy113:
wasnt quite sure where to post this but looked as good as any place.

thanks you
pappy <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pappy. I help orginize the 3rd party modelers. Our main forum is at www.netwings.org (http://www.netwings.org) under Design and Development. I know there are many people there looking for referances that you can help out! If you please, can you post your help there?

A lot of the local museums charge us for referances. A LOT! Typically we must find most of our info on the Internet or in books since we can NOT afford the price the museum's want to charge us! ANY info you can provide would be great. Got a Catalina 5A over there? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Thanks in advance
Gibbage

GT182
10-18-2004, 07:01 PM
Gib, sorry but no Cat5A over at MAAM. Go here and take a look at their website.... www.maam.org (http://www.maam.org)

~S!~

aminx
10-18-2004, 11:22 PM
nichttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v76/aminx/kates.jpg e print of the KATE
aminx

Tater-SW-
10-18-2004, 11:24 PM
Pretty picture, but I think that drop is too close, the torp has to arm, and come up to depth http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

tater

aminx
10-18-2004, 11:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pappy113:
wasnt quite sure where to post this but looked as good as any place. i am hoping there will be alot of forgotten planes added to pf, the australian wirraways and boomerangs as well as some older us and japanese planes. i work in the mid atlantic air museum and go on tour to other museums all the time. any help i can give oleg or any modders please contact me. i can get pics of most planes and cockpits or get you the historical info you need. i am hoping alot of the old planes are not forgotten since they did play a very important part in the beginning of the conflict and to honor the men that flew them. contact me at sully123@earthlink.net with anything i can do to help sirs.

thanks you
pappy <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

We need badly good photos and docs for the following cockpits
KATE
AVENGER
DEVASTATOR
JILL
JUDY
these essential torpedo bomber planes are either missing or only AI due to missing docs or not enough to complete job and include them in sim.These docs should go only to MADDOX games since 3 party modelers have done more more damage than good.
aminx

ImpStarDuece
10-19-2004, 01:50 AM
I'd love it if this topic could go the way of the Pe-2 cockpit reference Topic over in ORR.

Thats the way to get things done.

Minimal complaining and maximum effort from all involved. These guys are serious about geting the Pe-2 into FB so guess what; they decided to research, reference and build a Pe-2 model. 22 pages of info, updates and mutual support. See what happens when the community pulls TOGETHER!


I make no claim to being anything like computer literate let alone capable of using something as complex (and expensive) as 3D Max to build my own accurate model.

However, i'm sure that if there is enough drive in the community that will make it possible for these planes to be modelled. 1C has brought its fair share of stuff to the table and thay have usually been matched by the community.

Can we get a serious effort together to research and push foward the Avenger, Devestator, Judy, Jill cockpits ect? This way any of those talented and dedicated people that spend their time complaining that these supposedly essential planes are non flyable will have something better to, like MAKING them flyable.

Just my random though for the day

Play nice http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

269GA-Veltro
10-19-2004, 02:00 AM
SaQSoN about those pics:

It is really quite impressive info. Though it's not enough, unfortunatley. There is no pilot's cockpit right side, no sides and back if the gunner cockpit and very little info on the bombardier cockpit...
This photos will be absolutely usefull, but to build the cockpit we need more, than that.

We need more.....

aminx
10-19-2004, 02:27 AM
VELTRO
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Whoever took these photos old or new can help you with the missing pics saqson is asking you for,any chance?Se non mi sbaglio quello Saqson e quello che ha svilupato il Dauntless,quindi FORZA!!
aminx

nyme1
10-19-2004, 02:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by aminx:
...These docs should go only to MADDOX games since 3 party modelers have done more more damage than good.
aminx <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

...very funny

Of course every 3rd party aircraft or cockpit turns IL2 series worse and worse. Yes, let's hate all 3rd party modellers. What a shame that we don't have more people who just talk about things instead doing them! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BTW send references to MADDOX only is really "smart", but are you sure that Maddox will not forward it to the 3rd party modellers? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Eddie_W
10-19-2004, 02:51 AM
Nyme - I agree completely. As our models have apparently done more harm than good, Aminx, I don't think you should risk hurting yourself by playing with them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

SaQSoN
10-19-2004, 02:54 AM
Just to clarify: I am not the third party. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Though, it wouldn't hurt, if you will send any info to Oleg as well.

Freycinet
10-19-2004, 03:49 AM
In PF at least the Beaufort carries a torpedo, I suspect the Betty does too. So the scare-mongering about flyable models not being equipped with torpedos because the drop has not been modelled, is just that: scare-mongering.

Correct torpedo-drop physics have been confirmed by Luthier.

JG53Frankyboy
10-19-2004, 04:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Freycinet:
In PF at least the Beaufort carries a torpedo, I suspect the Betty does too. So the scare-mongering about flyable models not being equipped with torpedos because the drop has not been modelled, is just that: scare-mongering.

Correct torpedo-drop physics have been confirmed by Luthier. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

actually the A-20G and BeaufighterMk-21 does as flyable. G4M1 is not flyable in PF release version.

Ruy Horta
10-19-2004, 08:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 269GA-Veltro:
http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/1233.html#3 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

These are scans from a general reference work on Japanese cockpits, which has been out for years (I got a free copy from the publisher, the good man!!). The developers have a copy and so do an number of 3d artists involved.

DuxCorvan
10-19-2004, 08:21 AM
Then PF Beaufighters have the torpedo ordnance? Can anyone confirm? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

aminx
10-19-2004, 08:48 AM
Yes!! BURNIN is tired of repeating YES !!!!
BETTY torp and bombs
BEAUFIGHTER torp and bombs
aminx