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RichardFF
09-28-2006, 06:52 PM
When I am sent out on a mission to find a carrier or ditched pilot is there really something to find? And if I do how do I tell somebody that I found it?

Or is this just a fly through mission, go with the flow?

Thanks

LEBillfish
09-28-2006, 07:21 PM
Once you get within a reasonable range of the waypoint, even if that waypoint is unknown you'll often get a message about an objective being completed.....Assuming you're speaking of offline.

-HH-Quazi
09-28-2006, 07:54 PM
In Dynamic Campaigns it is very important for a recon flight to fly over its objective and make it back to base and land safely. This has an affect on the next mission generated and also can affect front line movement.

Nimits
09-28-2006, 10:18 PM
A successful Recon in a PTO DGen campaign will, more often than not, lead to a strike/escort mission against those just spotted ships. An unsuccessful recon will often result in having to repel an enemy air attack . . .

As near as I can tell, searching for downed pilots just results in a "warm fuzzy" feeling that you were helping out your flying buddies . . .

Philipscdrw
09-28-2006, 11:16 PM
From the little experience I have of carrier ops, all warm fuzzy feelings were nullified by the lack of physical sensation in my legs and arms after sitting at the controls for hours and hours of pan-oceanic flight.

It's quite realistic, isn't it? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

RichardFF
09-28-2006, 11:35 PM
Thanks for the responses!

All my gaming is off line so far...

Did another recon mission. I passed over the objective like I always do and like always I don't see anything. I assume the objective must be the end point of the triangle...

On the map there was a target ahead of me and I figured it has to be going home so I followed it and found the whole Jap navy.

I don't recall objective completed being displayed when I passed over it or when I found the ships and oddly enough that ended up being the last mission for that period with a big hoopla and congratulations. The following missions have been ground attack bombing runs.

It sounds as if the game can be dynamic which, BTW, what do you mean by Dynamic Mission versus... what?

-HH-Quazi
09-29-2006, 02:29 AM
Originally posted by RichardFF:
Thanks for the responses!

All my gaming is off line so far...

Did another recon mission. I passed over the objective like I always do and like always I don't see anything. I assume the objective must be the end point of the triangle...

On the map there was a target ahead of me and I figured it has to be going home so I followed it and found the whole Jap navy.

I don't recall objective completed being displayed when I passed over it or when I found the ships and oddly enough that ended up being the last mission for that period with a big hoopla and congratulations. The following missions have been ground attack bombing runs.

It sounds as if the game can be dynamic which, BTW, what do you mean by Dynamic Mission versus... what?

Static. Dynamic meaning your actions and efforts determine the next missions objectives and will eventually move the front lines. Take note that it is the ground war that moves the front lines. On a land based map, it is very important to make sure your ground troops are sucessful by fending off any enemy ac in the area that are supposed to be attacking them.

Staic meaning it is what it is. That no matter how successful you are in the previous mission, the next and subsequent mission parameters are already set.

This is why I truly enjoy a dynamic campaign. I like to see my efforts get rewarded.

RichardFF
09-29-2006, 07:17 AM
Where is the switch for that?

-HH-Quazi
09-29-2006, 08:07 AM
HEHE. No switch m8. It's the difference between DGen campaigns(Dynamic Campaign), which are mainly online campaigns. And NGen campaigns, which is mainly single player offline campaigns.

Now when I am not doing any squad hosting or flight sessions with my m8s, I run an online campaign for myself just to enjoy my efforts affecting the war. Of course it's just me and the AI, but so what, it works. I have found the AI will actually complete a mission objective on their own. I generally take the lead of the flight that is charged with protecting my ground troops since it is their efforts that actually move the front lines. I know it is kinda nuts to create a server just to run an online campaign by myself, but like I said, I like being able to have an affect on the war in general. Of all the immersiveness talked about with this sim, this is one feature that makes it immersive for me. And I have found Lowengrins DCG to make for more interesting war scenarios with more control of the campaign parameters. Although the ingame DCG works well also.

Now it is better when you have live bodies on one or both sides. But it isn't half bad when it is only yourself and the AI neither.

Nimits
09-29-2006, 05:39 PM
It's the difference between DGen campaigns(Dynamic Campaign), which are mainly online campaigns. And NGen campaigns, which is mainly single player offline campaigns.


Err, the other way around (DGen singeplayer, NGen multiplayer).

-HH-Quazi
09-30-2006, 01:27 AM
Originally posted by Nimits:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It's the difference between DGen campaigns(Dynamic Campaign), which are mainly online campaigns. And NGen campaigns, which is mainly single player offline campaigns.


Err, the other way around (DGen singeplayer, NGen multiplayer). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I said DGen is mainly for online campaigns(multiplayer), but yes you can run DGen offline for a single player. And I guess NGen can be both online(coops)(multiplayer), and offline(single player missions & static offline campaigns).

How about a real DGen\NGen guru enlighted myself and the masses?

Nimits
09-30-2006, 10:03 AM
No, seriously. If you are playing a offline campaign (e.g. one from the default campaign menu) you are playing a DGen (Dynamic Generator) campaign. If you are playing an online campaign, you are using NGen. NGen campaigns can be played offline you you wanted, I suppose, but they are designed specifically for online play. If you are playing single player mission and static campaigns, you are not using either one. No big deal, you just got the terms switched around.

RichardFF
09-30-2006, 08:25 PM
so if I understand this right...

Campaigns are DGen

Single player are static

Online is NGen

DGen and NGen are both dynamic in that the outcome is based on the overall success or failure for each side in each mission.

Nimits
09-30-2006, 11:37 PM
Pretty much.

For clarities sake:

Single Missions are your normal, single player offline "static" missions you know and love.

DGen campaigns are (semi-)dynamic single player offline campaigns; they are the only campaigns you will get under the "Career" menu with a clean, default install.

Static campaigns are also available under the "Career" option, if installed. These are the kind of campaigns included in the original Il-2, along with those installed with the Pe-2 add-on. Many player-created campaigns are of this variety.

NGen is an online version of DGen, and is used when playing campaigns from the "Multiplayer" menu. Like most online games, you can theoretically play it by yourself, offline, if you really wanted to.

Obivously, I am sure everyone here knows this intuitively, it just seems the terms have gotten a little mixed up. This should avoid any future confusion . . .