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Crop-Duster.
05-12-2006, 06:33 PM
http://www.simhq.com/_all/all_019f.html


Features:

Missions:

New static campaigns totaling 45+ missions
5 single missions
5 co-op missions

New Flyable Planes:

LaGG-3R
Yak-3R
La-7R
Bi-6
MiG-9
MiG-13
Yak-15
Yak-3 VK-107A
Ar-234B
He-162B
He-162C
Ta-152C
Me-262HG-II

New AI Planes:

Ta-183 (possibly flyable, if time permits)

New Maps:

Kiev

Blottogg
05-12-2006, 07:11 PM
You beat me to it Crop-Duster. I saw this while following the link for SoW:BoB in another thread. The aircraft list looks interesting, with a little something for everyone. The Ta-152C and the Ar-234B will appeal to the realism guys (like me), though I'll at least try the jets (fictional as well as those actually built), along with the rocket augmented Russian fighters.

Anybody know what the Me-262HG-II is? The He-162B and C are be the butterfly tail and swept-forward wing versions, aren't they?

Hopefully the campaign skills of Starshoy, Ian Boys and the rest can put the Kiev map (as well as the upcoming Norway, Burma and Manchuria maps) to good use for us off-liners too ignorant to incorporate them ourselves.

Crop-Duster.
05-12-2006, 07:42 PM
try looking up ANY Lufft 46 planes here http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif :

http://www.luft46.com/

HeinzBar
05-12-2006, 08:07 PM
S!,
The 262HG was an experimental version of the me262a1. The shape was very similar to the me262a1 w/ the exception of a lower canopy, slightly extended wing w/ greater sweep ~35*, longer angle on the vertical stablizer, and reshaped nacelles. The effect being a more efficient aerodynamic shape in the hopes of greater speed. The intake nacelles were more oval shape rather than circular. These nacelles contained 2 HeS 011 engines. Other planes also had this plane using a 'V' tail layout.

According to Creek and Smith, ME262, vol4 - pp755-770, the HG I flew over 176 test flights accumulating nearly 42 hours of flight time. HG II variants were destroyed before proper testing could be completed.

Hope it helps.

HB

XyZspineZyX
05-12-2006, 08:43 PM
What is the Focke Wulf TA152C?

darkhorizon11
05-12-2006, 10:19 PM
The Ta-183 would be a total tease if it wasn't flyable and EVERYONE would hate it...

The He-162's, new Me-262s, and the Ta-152C, are all steps up from the aircraft already in the game. In fact they were probably added because they just required modification of the current models. Same for the rocket versions of the Russian planes...

Bremspropeller
05-13-2006, 02:04 AM
In a nutshell he Ta 152C is a DB603-powered Ta 152H with a wingspan of only 11.00m and a changed armament.

Hopefully we'd get the MG213 (20mm) or MK213 (30mm) guns. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

sparty7200
05-13-2006, 03:00 AM
Ta 152C looks yummy m8...trust me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

F19_Olli72
05-13-2006, 03:31 AM
Cool, actually im a little more interested in this addon after all http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif with the Heinkels and 262, They will look good in screenshots. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

badatflyski
05-13-2006, 03:41 AM
ta152?

The Ta 152C-1 was powered by a Daimler-Benz DB 603LA twelve-cylinder liquid cooled engine rated at 2100 hp (2300 hp with MW 50) for takeoff and 1750 hp at 29,530 feet (1900 hp at 27,560 feet with MW 50). Armed with one engine-mounted 30-mm MK 108 cannon with 90 rounds, two fuselage-mounted 20-mm MG 151 cannon with 250 rpg, and two wing-mounted 20-mm MG252 cannon with 175 rpg. Maximum speed was 227 mph at sea level (356 mph with MW 50), 436 mph at 37,730 feet (460 mph at 32,810 feet with MW 50). Initial climb rate was 3050 feet per minute and service ceiling was 40,350 feet. Weights were 8849 lbs empty, 10,658 lbs normal loaded, and 11,733 pounds maximum. Wingspan was 36 feet 1 inch, length was 35 feet 6 1/2 inches, height was 11 feet 1 inch, and wing area was 290.89 square feet. ..os something close to that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

stathem
05-13-2006, 03:59 AM
Originally posted by badatflyski:
ta152?

The Ta 152C-1 was powered by a Daimler-Benz DB 603LA twelve-cylinder liquid cooled engine rated at 2100 hp (2300 hp with MW 50) for takeoff and 1750 hp at 29,530 feet (1900 hp at 27,560 feet with MW 50). Armed with one engine-mounted 30-mm MK 108 cannon with 90 rounds, two fuselage-mounted 20-mm MG 151 cannon with 250 rpg, and two wing-mounted 20-mm MG252 cannon with 175 rpg. Maximum speed was 227 mph at sea level (356 mph with MW 50), 436 mph at 37,730 feet (460 mph at 32,810 feet with MW 50). Initial climb rate was 3050 feet per minute and service ceiling was 40,350 feet. Weights were 8849 lbs empty, 10,658 lbs normal loaded, and 11,733 pounds maximum. Wingspan was 36 feet 1 inch, length was 35 feet 6 1/2 inches, height was 11 feet 1 inch, and wing area was 290.89 square feet. ..os something close to that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

227 mph at sea level doesn't sound particularly scary... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Viikate_
05-13-2006, 04:18 AM
Now that it's official, I think I can come out of the closet with this...

http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/~viikate/Ta-152C_1.jpg
http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/~viikate/Ta-152C_2.jpg
http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/~viikate/Ta-152C_3.jpg
http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/~viikate/Ta-152C_4.jpg
http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/~viikate/Ta-152C_5.jpg

Excellent skins by Sparty http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

sparty7200
05-13-2006, 04:33 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

rr9
05-13-2006, 04:49 AM
So you did the 3d-model?

Did you do any other planes/objects that will come available in those 2 add-ons?

It would be real nice to get that torpedo to some Ju-88 model.

NagaSadow84
05-13-2006, 04:54 AM
Messerschmitt Me 262 HG II (with V-Tail)
http://www.luft46.com/dsart/ds262-2.jpg

Heinkel He 162 C-1
http://www.luft46.com/mmart/he162-2.jpg

Heinkel He 162 C-2
http://www.luft46.com/duart/du162-4.jpg

cygfrain
05-13-2006, 05:05 AM
The additions look interesting, but the lack of additional western allied types promise to make things a bit uneven online. I was hoping for at least a Spit mkXIVe and the faster Tempest V (11 lbs?), corrected FM for the P38 series and faster Mosquitos. Being interested mostly with the exploits of the 2nd TAF, the Ta 152c and the AR234 are the only a/c on the list of any relevance to me.

WOLFMondo
05-13-2006, 05:07 AM
Finally a 190 that can carry a torpedo! Now we can get rid of all the other waste space German planes. :P

The lack of Sabre IIB Tempest V and Spitfire XIV is a little disappointing though. Still, some fun new toys to play with and really looking forward to the Ta152C. Can you say Uber?!

Codex1971
05-13-2006, 05:17 AM
Ta-152 with torpedo! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

luftluuver
05-13-2006, 05:25 AM
Originally posted by cygfrain:
The additions look interesting, but the lack of additional western allied types promise to make things a bit uneven online. I was hoping for at least a Spit mkXIVe and the faster Tempest V (11 lbs?), corrected FM for the P38 series and faster Mosquitos. Being interested mostly with the exploits of the 2nd TAF, the Ta 152c and the AR234 are the only a/c on the list of any relevance to me. A Tempest VI would be more applicable as would the (Sea)Fury, Spit 20 series or even a Spitful. Vampires and Meteor 3/4s would be nice.

A P-51H/K, P-82 or one of the XP47s would be nice for our American friends. USN a/c are out though. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Maybe the RAF and USAAF a/c come later? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Why the Ar234B and not the Ar234C?

cygfrain
05-13-2006, 05:57 AM
Luftluuver says:-

"Tempest VI would be more applicable as would the (Sea)Fury, Spit 20 series or even a Spitful. Vampires and Meteor 3/4s would be nice.

A P-51H/K, P-82 or one of the XP47s would be nice for our American friends. USN a/c are out though.

Maybe the RAF and USAAF a/c come later?"

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

alert_1
05-13-2006, 07:44 AM
__________________________________________
Maybe the RAF and USAAF a/c come later?"
__________________________________________

Nothing comes later. Because hte VVS rocket&jet fighters won the WWII in '46! Be sure!

Fox_3
05-13-2006, 09:30 AM
As the addons were originally planned for release in Russia only. It is highly unlikely we will see the likes of the Meteor or Vampire.

horseback
05-13-2006, 11:49 AM
One can only hope that Western jets and high-performance props will be added, but i wouldn't hold my breath.

The lack of a Meteor or early Vampire is as glaringly obvious as the current absence of the Spit XIV/XVIII and Typhoon are in the present version of the game.

cheers

horseback

WOLFMondo
05-13-2006, 11:50 AM
I'd be happy to trade those all for a correct 1945 Sabre IIB powered Tempest V.

Brain32
05-13-2006, 11:57 AM
I'd be happy to trade those all for a correct 1945 Sabre IIB powered Tempest V.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif and just to remind those that can make it happen - no modell change required http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Aaron_GT
05-13-2006, 06:11 PM
The lack of a Meteor or early Vampire

A Gloster Ace would be nice too. It was a nice looking place with a better potential performance than the Meteor, but the development took a little longer and it was cancelled as it was still a first generation jet and the requirement was for the second generation (i.e. Hawker Hunter, which was developed from the 'Jet Tempest').

ImpStarDuece
05-13-2006, 06:46 PM
RAF fans could have:

Tempest II: 2520 hp Centarus V or VI engine, 10-15mph faster than a +11 lbs Tsmpest V, 30 sec better to 15,000 feet

Spitfire XIV: http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Spitfire XVIII: Fighter-bomber Spitfire XIV with bubbletop, larger rudder, E wing, solid extruded main wing spar and a 600 mile combat radius and ability to carry 8 60lbs rockets or 3 x 500lbs bombs.

Meteor F.4: Reworked Meteor Mk III. Faster, clipped wings, new Derwent Vs in revised nacels, more fuel, pressurised cockpit. First flew July 1945. Production versions capable of 580mph. Record setting versions did 606 and 616 mph in 1945 and 1946.

Vampire F.1: Single engine 'kiddy car' interceptor. Fast but very docile and gentle handling, but lacking in climb. 530mph and very good manouverability.

RedDeth
05-13-2006, 07:39 PM
this is released? where?

Blottogg
05-13-2006, 11:57 PM
RedDeth, the next two add-ons aren't out yet. "Two weeks" jokes aside, they should be out later this spring and sometime this summer, respectively. Since they're sequential, you'll need a merged install of FB/AEP/PF and the Pe-2 add-on (technically v4.06m) first.

Thanks for the answers and screenshots Crop-Duster, HeinzBar, Bremspropeller, Viikate and NagaSadow84. We're getting into an area my library doesn't cover (again). It's nice to have some pictures to go along with the designations. Any bets on how long before folks ask if the torpedo rack on the 152C is removable?

Most of these are of interest to the on-line DF crowd, so enjoy. The 234 and the 152C will make the off-line Berlin campaign a little more interesting for us off-liners, too.

ploughman
05-14-2006, 06:49 AM
The He-162s could be interesting.

The B seems to be a sort of uberised A.

"..."He-162B-1" was slated to go into production in early 1946, with a more powerful Heinkel-Hirth 011A turbojet providing 12.75 kN (1,300 kgp / 2,870 lbf) thrust, along with a fuselage stretch to provide more fuel and endurance and increased wingspan, with proper dihedral and discarding the turned-down wingtip extensions. The He-162B-1 was to be armed with twin MK-108 30 millimeter cannon."

The C is even more interesting. Swept wings and a butterfly tail assemby. There's mention of a Schrage Musik weapons assembly too.

"He-162C", with the B-series fuselage, Heinkel-Hirth 011A engine, swept wing, and "vee" or "butterfly" tail assembly."

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/mctomney/he162c.jpg

Tooz_69GIAP
05-14-2006, 11:12 AM
I thought it was was the He-162D that was planned to have the forward swept wings? And the 'C' variant only had back swept wings? So will it be the C-1 or the C-2 variant of the Salamander we'll be getting then? Anyway, will be interesting to fly it in that configuration, specially with 30mm cannons! It's unstable enough with just the 2x20mm, wonder how much shake, rattle 'n' roll we'll get with 2x30mm? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

luftluuver
05-14-2006, 12:00 PM
Correct Tooz. C > rear swept wings, Vtail; D > forward swept wings, Vtail.

darkhorizon11
05-14-2006, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by NagaSadow84:
Messerschmitt Me 262 HG II (with V-Tail)
http://www.luft46.com/dsart/ds262-2.jpg


This is out of memory so I could be wrong but I believe the V-tail idea was scrapped and the Germans decided to stick with the conventional which is why none were built.

darkhorizon11
05-14-2006, 01:26 PM
The Ta-183 is an interesting choice to add.

Adding this plane as AI only will be a bad idea (although the cockpit will probably come in a future patch.) This plane will literally be the Alpha and the Omega of the game. Its extremely fast and agile with a punishing armament, the only downer is its low speed handling. IRL if it ever flew a combat version would definitely have had wing fences.

Tempests, Mustangs, T-bolts, and everything else the Allies can throw it will probably be little more than meat and potatoes for this tiny plane you'll never see it on a server.

ploughman
05-14-2006, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by darkhorizon11:
The Ta-183 is an interesting choice to add.

Adding this plane as AI only will be a bad idea (although the cockpit will probably come in a future patch.) This plane will literally be the Alpha and the Omega of the game. Its extremely fast and agile with a punishing armament, the only downer is its low speed handling. IRL if it ever flew a combat version would definitely have had wing fences.

Tempests, Mustangs, T-bolts, and everything else the Allies can throw it will probably be little more than meat and potatoes for this tiny plane you'll never see it on a server.

It's a '46 plane. Tempests, Mustangs, T-bolts would have been 'so last year.' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

rugame
05-14-2006, 07:40 PM
Ta-152C

Oh yes


I am there.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

goshikisen
05-14-2006, 08:54 PM
So there's time to add this:

http://www.simhq.com/_all/images/all_019a_019.jpg

but there's no time to modify the existing code to allow for an +11 lbs Tempest or add rockets to the Mosquito. I'll never really understand the rationale behind some of these decisions. The Tempest mod has been asked for consistently by many... whereas I don't think I've seen one request for another fantasy Bi-(?) rocket plane.

Strange indeed...

Regards, Goshikisen.

Werg78
05-14-2006, 09:44 PM
woha sounds very good but the ta183 simply HAS to be flyble. its for me by far the most interesting plane although it never saw combat irl.

just imagine having this beast in the planeset and not being able to toy around with it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

p.s.
mg/mk213 would be the icing on the cake ofc http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

LEXX_Luthor
05-14-2006, 09:55 PM
gosh::
So there's time to add this:
Yes, BI-6 is the first mixed propulsion aircraft (along with MiG-13), and our first ramjet. SuperTempest and RocketMossie are western front stuff, not to be confused with the Eastern Front theme of the 46 addon. As it should be -- Back to Roots.

Eastern Front "Fantasy" is more needed by combat flight sims than more and more of the same old burned out 1944 Western Front "Real." The exception to that is 1940 France, which has never been done before, but 1940 France should follow BoB. Rola's 1939 Poland website is *poof* gone, so I assume no Poland-39 addon pack for BoB And Beyond

Granted, cockpits for Su-2, Tu-2, SB, IL-4 are more needed than Toast (or rocket/ramjet burned Bread) along with Flyable Ju-188, Me-410, Hs-123, is where Oleg should have taken "1946" instead. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

TheGozr
05-15-2006, 12:53 AM
A lots of great things about the sim but the 46 .. ??? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1241.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

NonWonderDog
05-15-2006, 01:15 AM
It's called VVS '46 and it was originally planned for a Russian-only release, did you really expect it to have a Gloster Meteor?
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Bo_Nidle
05-17-2006, 07:39 AM
I'm all for as many aircraft as possible but do have to wonder why all the effort seems to go into these "what if" aircraft, which I admit are very interesting but I believe that it would be more appropriate to concentrate on the planes that actually existed.

I would have much prefered to see the following added as flyable:

B-17/B-24 (I will never understand why these have never been made flyable.They would have expanded the sim immeasurably. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif )

Typhoon (much as I love the Tempest it was this aircraft that had the far greater role)

Avenger ( I was looking forwrads to torpedoing in that)

Sea Hurricane (All it needs is an arrestor hook.I can land them on the carriers at the moment but its a close run thing sometimes!)

Meteor (An allied jet that was actually operational during WW2)

Spitfire with a Griffon engine (I never liked the noise or the look but they were effective)

B-26 Marauder (Nice looking and would round out the tactical air power side of the sim)

Avro Lancaster ( http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif 'nuff said )

The list goes on...put rockets on the Mossie, a B-25 with .50 cals and the 75mm howitzer, etc etc.....

I understand that a lot of these aircraft are made by independant 3rd parties and I thank them for their efforts but still long for the planes that were there but we don't have rather than the ones that weren't that we do.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif