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p-11.cAce
07-24-2007, 12:18 PM
I'm interested in thoughts regarding the best procedures to use in an attempt to survive those classic -109 engine seized, oil coated windscreen landings.
Just as a note I fly full switch locked-pit, no icons - and as extra masochism I always try to save the aircraft (after this many years in the sim the only thing that has maintained my interest is an elaborate "mental story" regarding my pilot and his survival and flying as realistic as possible.)
The situation usually goes like this - I take some hits to my sweet Emil and the engine blows, coating the windscreen and obscuring the sides of the canopy with oil. I disengage and try to spot a significant landmark. If height and/or any remaining engine function allow I hit the map and try to determine a decent spot to put down. Once chosen I try to forward slip so I can see out the side of the canopy, then execute the standard off field landing - engine off, flaps to landing, gear UP, stop slipping and use peripheral vision to gauge the round out.

What procedures to you use? What is your success rate? Do you try to get the crate home or just punch out regardless?

Anti_Ship_Fella
07-24-2007, 12:29 PM
trying to land my bird sometimes and i use the same procedure as you...succes rate is 70%

stalkervision
07-24-2007, 12:40 PM
109's were very tough birds in real life and most pilots walked away from crashes in them if the 109 wasn't driven directly into the ground..

carguy_
07-24-2007, 12:41 PM
109 em. landings are fairly easy if you can judge alt by looking to the side.I was making a lot of those but the environment I fly in does not allow it.

Also I never stay longer than needed when the engine puffs oil.

ImMoreBetter
07-24-2007, 03:05 PM
I try to land or glide as close as I can to friendly lines or airfields.

Look for a flat piece of ground
Engine off
Flaps down
Gear up (I've never had a problem with them down)
Slow down to 200kph or less

I try to hover just above the ground before touch down, to be sure of a shallow angle.

I'd say 90-95% success rate. I love practicing crash landings.

I've never successfully landed any plane. Ever. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
I just suck at it. I'd make a terrible pilot.

On the bright side, I'm fairly good at crash landing.

alert_1
07-25-2007, 07:40 AM
Most importatnly, try slow down under 160km/h max. before touch down or there is chance you will be killed..

Jaste07
07-25-2007, 08:03 AM
Practice in a jet. If you can consistenly crash land one of those flying fireballs, everything else is easy.

HayateAce
07-25-2007, 08:49 AM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
109's were very tough birds in real life and most pilots walked away from crashes in them if the 109 wasn't driven directly into the ground..

O'rly?

I don't even have to ask about your extensive facts and references to back up these claims. Sure, you have them.

Meanwhile...

http://www.countrymanufacturing.com/manurespreader1200c.gif

cmirko
07-25-2007, 08:58 AM
all has been said, if its really important for you to survive, try and touch the ground with one wingtip just prior to "touchdown" - someone once written that on one of forums and I have witnessed it really works in game....

T_O_A_D
07-25-2007, 09:12 AM
I do as you do, short I do my best to find a road, or flat enough ground to use my gear.
If not then yes I ditch it.

I tell myself to save as much of the bird as I can, since supplies are low, and the Allies are bombing the devil out of us.

Plus if online, getting down with gear intact can steal the kill from the guy that took me out of the fight. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Manu-6S
07-25-2007, 09:31 AM
Originally posted by HayateAce:
O'rly?

I don't even have to ask about your extensive facts and references to back up these claims. Sure, you have them.


We don't have to ask about your extensive facts and references to claim differently by him...
Sure, you have them.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

stalkervision
07-25-2007, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by HayateAce:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
109's were very tough birds in real life and most pilots walked away from crashes in them if the 109 wasn't driven directly into the ground..

O'rly?

I don't even have to ask about your extensive facts and references to back up these claims. Sure, you have them.

Meanwhile...

http://www.countrymanufacturing.com/manurespreader1200c.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I don't do charts.. at least not for numbskulls. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Apparently your a dirt farmer from the photo you posted of you spreading horse maneure. It is a very fitting occupation. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

If you want facts check out "The Blond knight of Germany" about Erich Hartman..

also in the old flight sim "Luftwaffe commander" there is an excellent audio interview from a former Me-109 pilot that says exactly this same thing. All the pilots that flew her said she was a rugged bird..

still don't believe it then it's your tough luck...

WOODY01
07-26-2007, 06:11 AM
p-11.cAce the only other thing I would add to your procedure is (as frightning as it can be) try and touch down at a lower speed than you normally would with wheels down, stall as late and as low as you can, if you can hold it off the ground for that extra second or so thats a lot less energy to hit with. Plonk...vs SMASH!

Heres an emergancy landing I had to do in the P51C at the Anzio beachhead. But youll have to wade to the end of it to see it i guess...

http://www.simtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=b8d27a1d8f8c7b78b433


Its very possible to get very damaged aircraft down for sure, though not easy when you cant see anything.

leitmotiv
07-26-2007, 06:24 AM
Nobody in their right mind would try to land an airplane with an obscured windscreen in the war. That is simply game world. Better side of valor always ruled. No airplane was ever worth more than the pilot (except in extraordinary circumstances like the AAF in the Philippines in '41-2). I probably tried to land in this state, but I have no statistical data. My windscreen gets fouled, I am "outta there" like a scorched cat as soon as I am near the ground.