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Copperhead310th
04-09-2006, 01:00 AM
WOW a great show.

it rained a bit here in montgomery
so i didn't crawl out of bed till around 11-ish.
late start. when i heard the 1st jet flyover i had to get my lazy @ss out of the rack and get to the base.

The sky was overcast, and thank God for the clouds cause it was hot as hell on that flightline. There may have been a bunch of white folks walking in.....but there was more red ones walking out. (can you say LOBSTER)
thankflly i wasn't one of them.

And even more thank fully i was there just in time to get this:

http://invisionfree.com/forums/310th_VFBG/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=1293094

<span class="ev_code_RED">B1B flyover. very low alt. awsome.</span>

Copperhead310th
04-09-2006, 01:04 AM
and then there was this:


Wyatt Fullers F-86 wouldn't drop the left landing gear. this shot he was doing a slow & low by the tower to confirm his suspitions.
Look in the shot you can see the gear door is open but no gear.

http://invisionfree.com/forums/310th_VFBG/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=1293091

Copperhead310th
04-09-2006, 01:08 AM
Wyatt Fullers 2 wheel landing

http://invisionfree.com/forums/310th_VFBG/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=1293092

Copperhead310th
04-09-2006, 01:10 AM
Roll the fire trucks!

http://invisionfree.com/forums/310th_VFBG/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=1293093

Copperhead310th
04-09-2006, 01:11 AM
and here's a nice shot of the F-117 & F-22 static display's. I actaully got to talk to the pilots at lenghth. very cool ppl and just all around great fun. I got an 8th FS challange coin out of the deal too. lol

http://invisionfree.com/forums/310th_VFBG/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=1293095

Copperhead310th
04-09-2006, 01:13 AM
and just to give you an idea as to how the show was set up here's an overhead shot of the base. Show center was just east of where the 2 large runways intercect. and the flybys were from SW to NE. and a few ran east to west during the t-birds show. Poor old lady stading behind me when Mike Chandler came roaring in behind her full throttle in that F-16. lol

Some of the stuff was a no show. The CAF's Tora Tora Tora group was there again this year. but thier B-29 & B-24 were no shows and unlike last year they didn't alow the CAF planes to be on static after the show which was a HUGE diapointment.But i have some more pics i'll post soon as i can. it's getting late.

Copperhead310th
04-09-2006, 01:13 AM
http://invisionfree.com/forums/310th_VFBG/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=1293096

CD_kp84yb
04-09-2006, 01:14 AM
Thx for sharing the pics.

Nice landing btw by the pilot, the plane looks not to damaged to me.

regards

Gibbage1
04-09-2006, 02:57 AM
Originally posted by CD_kp84yb:
Thx for sharing the pics.

Nice landing btw by the pilot, the plane looks not to damaged to me.

regards

It looks like the drop-tank took the brunt of the damage. Thats good.

Lucius_Esox
04-09-2006, 03:43 AM
Great pictures,, thx for sharing m8 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I live in Europe and am very jealous of seeing an F22 up close,, that is something I very much wanna do..

hotspace
04-09-2006, 06:22 AM
Great piccies m8 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Thanks

VW-IceFire
04-09-2006, 07:14 AM
Wow! Nice pictures...thanks for sharing them. Glad to see that the F-86 escaped mostly unscathered. No doubt the excellent pilot at the controls had alot to do with how that went down.

Is that a squadron service production model F-22? I have walked around the YF-22 at Dayton but the two are different aircraft really...

_VR_ScorpionWorm
04-09-2006, 09:38 AM
Were you behind a line taking that picture of the F-22 and F117? I went to the Randolph AirForce Base 75th Anniversary Show last November and they had 6!! armed guards and a perimeter around the F117, could only get so close to take pictures. I wish they had the B1 flying that day, had them on the tarmac. We showed up just as the Tora Tora Tora group finished, they didn't land either, they took off somewhere else after they finished their show. There was a B17(and a C47 and B25) but nobody, and I mean nobody could get within 50 yards of those aircraft, too bad too, I really wanted close up pictures of it.

I would have loved to see that F-86 inflight. Nice emergency landing though by the pilot. Nice Pics BTW.

Bo_Nidle
04-09-2006, 09:48 AM
Nice pictures. B1 especially impressive.

Glad to see you still have decent shows in the States. Over here in the Uk the shows are depressingly light on aircraft due to all the deployments.

The Royal International Air Tattoo 2006 is a shadow of its former self.

Thank God for the Flying Legends show at Duxford. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Glad to see the F-86 and its pilot came through relatively unscathed.

ploughman
04-09-2006, 10:01 AM
I was at RIAT a couple of years ago and some butt head Italian pilot snapped his nose gear on landing and clogged up the runway for three hours while the aircraft was moved, which stopped the B-52s from taking off. Looked sort of cool sliding up the run way on a bed of burning aluminium but my heart was in my mouth 'till the aircrew were able to evacuate the plane. I haven't been back to RIAT since then, although I was hoping to go this year but if it's going to be depleted of decent things to see I might not bother. Unfortunately Flying Legends is a major pain in the arse for me to get to.

I still haven't seen the Typhoon display.

papotex
04-09-2006, 12:04 PM
that F86 is so beautiful i swear i would had cried if it would had messed up.

who owns that F86?

by the way, those are awseom pictures brother

Megile_
04-09-2006, 12:16 PM
Nice copper http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

Copperhead310th
04-09-2006, 12:29 PM
Originally posted by _VR_ScorpionWorm:
Were you behind a line taking that picture of the F-22 and F117? I went to the Randolph AirForce Base 75th Anniversary Show last November and they had 6!! armed guards and a perimeter around the F117, could only get so close to take pictures. I wish they had the B1 flying that day, had them on the tarmac. We showed up just as the Tora Tora Tora group finished, they didn't land either, they took off somewhere else after they finished their show. There was a B17(and a C47 and B25) but nobody, and I mean nobody could get within 50 yards of those aircraft, too bad too, I really wanted close up pictures of it.

I would have loved to see that F-86 inflight. Nice emergency landing though by the pilot. Nice Pics BTW.

That's why you gotta get chummy with the pilots bro. lol
No seriosly the pilots where just to the left of me when that was taken. they had a table set up selling squadron t-shirts. I'm actually rubbing the rope line with my waist. if you look closely in the back ground you can see the rope line behind the AC. and as for armed guards...there was a pick up truck of Airmen off to the imedate left of the shot....1 M-16 and 3 sidearms amng the group. there where 5 of them and they were far to bussy eating funnel cakes and *****ing about the hot weather to worry about anything else. lol
The rope was that close. period. from where that shot was taken.....i'd says about 25 to 30 feet.
Having never actually SEEN an f-22 up close....i expected it to be a lot bigger than what is really is. At 1st glance i started looking for the signs of VTOL cause i thought it was the JSF. but then i didn't see any & i realised it was an F-22. then i got to talk to the pilots. Maj. Jack Tolko was just the nicest guy ever. Super cool.
I kinda got the feeling that if i had stuck around a little after the show i may ave gotten a little closer. but i doubt it.
But i have some pics that were taken with MY cheap digital. and you can see better the distance between the rope line and the crowd.
I have a Cousin that is a Photo Jounalism major at TSU. so i begged and pleaded with her to load me some of here professiosnal equipment.
of couse i now have to wash and wax her new beetle for the entire summer but hey....it was worth it.

Copperhead310th
04-09-2006, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Wow! Nice pictures...thanks for sharing them. Glad to see that the F-86 escaped mostly unscathered. No doubt the excellent pilot at the controls had alot to do with how that went down.

Is that a squadron service production model F-22? I have walked around the YF-22 at Dayton but the two are different aircraft really...

and yeah that is a service model on active duty.
at least thats what i got from talking to the 8th FS ppl there.
the 117 just got back from station in Korea.
Any one wanna take a guess at what it was doing there? lol
I'd tell you but then i'd break a promise. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Copperhead310th
04-09-2006, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by papotex:
that F86 is so beautiful i swear i would had cried if it would had messed up.

who owns that F86?

by the way, those are awseom pictures brother

Yeah i know one of my favorite planes.
i don't know it it is the same f-86 they had last year or not but i have some shots from last years show here of the Hertitage Flyover of the P-47, F-86, F-16 in tight formation that are pretty cool. just gotta find em.
My Gramps worked on the at Osan in in Korea with the 310th FS. i had asked him earlier in the week to go with me. i must admit i was disapointed when he said he didn't feel like he was up to it. But i guess when ya get up to 86 yrs old ya just don't get around too much any more. It was either that or he wanted to spend more time with his girlfriend. lol
But if anyone would know what might have caused that to happen he would. would have been nice to have him there to explain it for me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

PBNA-Boosher
04-09-2006, 01:06 PM
Beautiful stop. I'm glad he was able to save himself and the plane. I love the F-86, sleek and beautiful. Then again, I love the MiG too.

_VR_ScorpionWorm
04-09-2006, 02:22 PM
Your show have one of these? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Scorpion08/IMG038sm.jpg

Stackhouse25th
04-09-2006, 02:28 PM
hope that F86 driver tried to use G forces to sling the gear out. His hydraulic system probably failed thats why he couldnt do a conventional belly landing. Pretty wild.

hes lucky. a belly is better for the plane and safer than a 2 wheel landing

ploughman
04-09-2006, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by _VR_ScorpionWorm:
Your show have one of these? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Scorpion08/IMG038sm.jpg

You know, when they're wheeling out UCAVs like that thing you've really got to wonder what on God's green, brown and blue earth they've got squirreled away. Even considering the absence of a direct symetrical threat like the USSR and diminished need to keep aces up our respective sleeves, and taking into account the PR that needs to be done to poke UCAVs into the public consciousness, there must be some sweet stuff cooling its heels in dark hangars that we'll only get to hear about years from now, if at all.

(That is as long as you weren't referring to the jet on a trolly. You weren't were you, you did mean the baby B-2 thing next to it?)

PBNA-Boosher
04-09-2006, 04:25 PM
Originally posted by Stackhouse25th:
hope that F86 driver tried to use G forces to sling the gear out. His hydraulic system probably failed thats why he couldnt do a conventional belly landing. Pretty wild.

hes lucky. a belly is better for the plane and safer than a 2 wheel landing

I have a friend, he flew 109's during the war. The first flight he ever had in a Bf-109 was an old beat up 109E with patches over all the bullet holes it had in it. He took it up for a spin first, he was very happy... until the landing gear jammed. He was on final and both gear indicator lights were down, but only one gear was down. He went around, tried using gravity to force the other gear down, it didn't work. So he tried to pull the other gear up. That didn't work either. So upon instructions from the tower he could either bail or belly land. My friend chose to belly land rather than endanger others by bailing and letting the plane crash. He went around 3 times before he felt comfortable setting the plane down. That was his first flight ever in the Bf-109.

It's very risky, but it can be done.

twentymm
04-09-2006, 04:42 PM
Nice pics Copper.

Interesting about the F-86, when the Heritage Flights were here for practice about a month or so ago an F-86 had an accident on landing.

Now I never heard exactly what it was or any details. Suffice to say it was deemed fairly minor and the rest of the practice continued, without the Sabre.

I'm not sure, I doubt it was the same aircraft. Still, makes you wonder.

IL2-chuter
04-09-2006, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
and then there was this:


Wyatt Fullers F-86 wouldn't drop the left landing gear. this shot he was doing a slow & low by the tower to confirm his suspitions.
Look in the shot you can see the gear door is open but no gear.

http://invisionfree.com/forums/310th_VFBG/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=1293091



This would be the "other" left my wife is always referring to?


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

roboas
04-09-2006, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by Stackhouse25th:
hope that F86 driver tried to use G forces to sling the gear out. His hydraulic system probably failed thats why he couldnt do a conventional belly landing. Pretty wild.

hes lucky. a belly is better for the plane and safer than a 2 wheel landing

That guy probably has 5000+ hours in tactical jets and I doubt you have one. I promise you he did the right thing.

wayno7777
04-09-2006, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
Roll the fire trucks!
http://invisionfree.com/forums/310th_VFBG/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=1293093
Very nice shots!
Like it says in my sig, Any landing....

wayno7777
04-09-2006, 08:46 PM
For some reason my sig didn't show....

_VR_ScorpionWorm
04-09-2006, 09:04 PM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
(That is as long as you weren't referring to the jet on a trolly. You weren't were you, you did mean the baby B-2 thing next to it?)

I was referring to the aircraft, which BTW was equipped for Carrier Ops as well. I had taken a pic of the details that they post on a plaque but for some reason they couldn't get that picture out, I had them transfered to a disk as well and it comes back as a full black picture, strange.

Diablo310th
04-10-2006, 09:18 AM
great pictures Copper. Must ahve been nice to be there.

faustnik
04-10-2006, 09:52 AM
Thanks for posting Copperhead. The F-86 was the cleanest looking fighter ever, perfect lines. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Blottogg
04-10-2006, 03:34 PM
Nice pics Copperhead, thanks. To Stackhouse25th, landable configurations with gear malfunctions differ from aircraft to aircraft. For a T-38, landing with a main stuck is a no-no (the tall gear and short wingspan guarantees a rollover on landing), but for the F-86, especially with wing tanks, I'm pretty sure that the T.O. qualifies this malfunction as landable (F-16's can be landed with a similar configuration.) SH job by the pilot, who is probably the owner as well. I don't know how many F-86 drop tanks are available, but I'm pretty sure they're easier to come by than F-86's!

Not sure what caused it, but I'd be looking at the sequencer valve orchestrating the timing of the gear door and gear itself. A similar problem with a Gulfstream in the Pacific NW recently (well televised) was caused by a sequencing problem IIRC.

Texan...
04-10-2006, 03:46 PM
So Copper, is your sig for real or is it an April's joke?

If not, I'd like to get your impressions after a month or two of seeing how the other side lives. Particularly, the 151 seems a bit overdone these days and the FW damage model has always been suspect to me.

Dunno, when I fly blue getting kills feels effortless. Anyway, thanks for the pics and back on topic we go....

Copperhead310th
04-10-2006, 08:03 PM
Originally posted by Texan...:
So Copper, is your sig for real or is it an April's joke?

If not, I'd like to get your impressions after a month or two of seeing how the other side lives. Particularly, the 151 seems a bit overdone these days and the FW damage model has always been suspect to me.

Dunno, when I fly blue getting kills feels effortless. Anyway, thanks for the pics and back on topic we go....

Yes it's for real. Just ask Diablo. he's the new head honcho over at the 310th. i retired. lol
Joined JG27 about 2 months ago. but as i said in another thread i have't really had time to get in much stick time with em. and the trasition to 109's & 190's is a bit of a streach from the jug. So therefore i don't think i'm compleatly qualified yet as to give an accurate opinon on the modleing of these aircaft. But i will agree that IMO the 151/20 is just a TAD too much. but understand ive had about 2 or 3 hrs total flight time on the 4.04 patch so the verdict is still out.
I'll say this much though. Since i swyched sides...my K/D ratio has vastly improved. gunery is better and surivablitiy is grealty improved.
Right now i'm flying the 190 A-6 (a little slow but handls well in the vertical) and the 109 G-6 & G6-A/S. witch is far more munuverable than what i'm used to. (i never was much of a spitfire pilot. IMO Spit'ies are for sissy's)

As for why JG27, great group of guys. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif and i've flown with & against them for a number of years. So was an easy choice and on the short list if i ever flipped to the dark side. lol

the only 2 other German squads i would have even considerd would have been 7/JG77 or JV44.
But i doubt i could have tollerated Von Hiede very long. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif JK there Peaches. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Copperhead310th
04-10-2006, 08:11 PM
Did someone say MIG?

lol now what makes you think you can have an F-86 with out one of these baby's!

http://invisionfree.com/forums/310th_VFBG/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=1294300

And here's a cool shot.

http://invisionfree.com/forums/310th_VFBG/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=1294307

FYI the the F-86 & mig had just compleated their mock dogfight. Was awsome as hell to watch. and something i'll NEVER forget.
Ya can guess who won. lol

Kinda sux that Wyatt crash landed the 86 after scoring the a kill. Kinda reminds me of IL-2. lol

Copperhead310th
04-10-2006, 08:22 PM
Ok a buddy of mine had another cool vantage point so i just got these in in an email tonight.

it's a better sequence of the f-86 crash landing.

Tower fly by for safty check. Another angle.

http://invisionfree.com/forums/310th_VFBG/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=1294289

On Final:
http://invisionfree.com/forums/310th_VFBG/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=1294290

touch down
http://invisionfree.com/forums/310th_VFBG/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=1294291

ummm there seems to be a little problem here!
http://invisionfree.com/forums/310th_VFBG/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=1294292

Skidding to a full stop.
http://invisionfree.com/forums/310th_VFBG/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=1294297

almost there........
http://invisionfree.com/forums/310th_VFBG/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=1294296

From my angle with tele photo lens:
http://invisionfree.com/forums/310th_VFBG/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=1294305

Copperhead310th
04-10-2006, 08:38 PM
Also here's the entire sequence of the B1 flyby.

COMMING
http://invisionfree.com/forums/310th_VFBG/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=1294295

With the GOOD camera
http://invisionfree.com/forums/310th_VFBG/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=1294303

PASSING
http://invisionfree.com/forums/310th_VFBG/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=1293094

GONE!
http://invisionfree.com/forums/310th_VFBG/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=1294306

Copperhead310th
04-10-2006, 08:49 PM
Also got these cool pics.

http://invisionfree.com/forums/310th_VFBG/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=1294299

PERFECT FORMATION:
http://invisionfree.com/forums/310th_VFBG/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=1294308

Actually this was the standerd 6 man formation that the 310th VFS flies in IL-2. When i started that squadron i set up 6 flight wings of 6 air craft. and this was our standerd formation we flew when a full flight wing was on and we were flying as a wing. That may have changed now.

And anyone who says combat formation flying in this sim isn't worth the time & effort isn't doing it right. But it requires a TON of practice. and there are viable tactics that a flight lead can employ with a full flight of six that you just can't do when flying lone wolf or in pairs. But it's a long drawn out discution best saved for another topic.

I have a few more pics i want to post. when i have time. I got a few shots of Double Vee for Bearcat. i'll try & get those up tommorow if i have the time.

Copperhead310th
04-10-2006, 09:53 PM
bump

Copperhead310th
04-11-2006, 03:05 PM
bump