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Pirschjaeger
07-29-2005, 11:05 PM
Imagine now, we have BoB. You join a BoB server. Now, which side will you choose? If you choose red you will most likely find almost instant action. If you choose blue, you will have to fly for a long time, over the channel, to find action. To add, you will only be able to afford 5 mins of fighting time, then you must run home to refuel.

It seems to me that this will make a great imbalance in the game. Maybe only retired airline pilots will be flying blue side.

Any thoughts?

Fritz

p1ngu666
07-29-2005, 11:07 PM
never been on a intarweb dogfight server?

Pirschjaeger
07-29-2005, 11:11 PM
Originally posted by p1ngu666:
never been on a intarweb dogfight server?

What's that? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Is that a dfight server where you enter airborn? If so, that kinda sucks if you like takeoffs.

Fritz

Tooz_69GIAP
07-29-2005, 11:17 PM
Well, depending on what size the map is, and what that map covers, we could have a lot of shipping strikes happening in the North Sea, which would mean requiring CAP from the RAF, and then there's the times when 11 Group need a wee bit of a hand, and some of 12 group come down.

Plus, the RAF and FAA made various strikes in enemy ports. Bombing the ports where all the landing craft were being kept was almost a nightly thing for a good few weeks! The germans will be kept busy with that lot.

And of course, there's always the "what ifs" like what if Sealion was launched, and Germany got a toehold in England!! Or Germany persuaded Ireland to join the war on their side! That would give them airfields just a skip across the water. And so on and so forth.

And of course, the Norwegian campaign could be fought out (if we get enough of the Norwegian coast, or any at all).

But we will just have to wait and see what happens.

Tully__
07-29-2005, 11:24 PM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
Imagine now, we have BoB. You join a BoB server. Now, which side will you choose? If you choose red you will most likely find almost instant action. If you choose blue, you will have to fly for a long time, over the channel, to find action. To add, you will only be able to afford 5 mins of fighting time, then you must run home to refuel.

It seems to me that this will make a great imbalance in the game. Maybe only retired airline pilots will be flying blue side.

Any thoughts?

Fritz
It was never a problem in EAW (European Air War) servers....always plenty of Axis pilots for BoB scenarios.

Pirschjaeger
07-29-2005, 11:25 PM
Hmmm, "what ifs" make me cringe. I guess we'll have different servers with different situations. We'll probably have choices then.

Fritz

Pirschjaeger
07-29-2005, 11:27 PM
Originally posted by Tully__:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
Imagine now, we have BoB. You join a BoB server. Now, which side will you choose? If you choose red you will most likely find almost instant action. If you choose blue, you will have to fly for a long time, over the channel, to find action. To add, you will only be able to afford 5 mins of fighting time, then you must run home to refuel.

It seems to me that this will make a great imbalance in the game. Maybe only retired airline pilots will be flying blue side.

Any thoughts?

Fritz
It was never a problem in EAW (European Air War) servers....always plenty of Axis pilots for BoB scenarios. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know any other sims. I only fly the IL-2 series. I'm openly bias. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz

PBNA-Boosher
07-30-2005, 12:03 AM
I'm sure there will be different types of maps with shorter distances between bases.

ImpStarDuece
07-30-2005, 12:08 AM
Off the top of my head some of the likely candidates for 'quick action' would be

Dunkirk,
Nothern and Western France, and
the 'Channel War' convoy strikes.

RocketRobin__
07-30-2005, 12:10 AM
You will fly in with an altitude advantage.
I will climb up and shoot you down.
No boring homeward flight will be required ;-)

WarWolfe_1
07-30-2005, 01:43 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
Imagine now, we have BoB. You join a BoB server. Now, which side will you choose? If you choose red you will most likely find almost instant action. If you choose blue, you will have to fly for a long time, over the channel, to find action. To add, you will only be able to afford 5 mins of fighting time, then you must run home to refuel.

It seems to me that this will make a great imbalance in the game. Maybe only retired airline pilots will be flying blue side.

Any thoughts?

Fritz


Whats the promblem? Was it not this way for real? Maybe history has been rewriten since my last WW2 history course 2 years ago.

If noone likes as close to the real thing as you can get.....Email your snailmail I'll send a few bucks so you can go to the arcade and play Halo2 online...........

Heliopause
07-30-2005, 01:51 AM
Check my sig....

Kernow
07-30-2005, 02:22 AM
Argh what a disaster, stop the project. I don't suppose they'll think of putting in online maps like they did on IL-2.

Manston must be a whole 5 minutes from Calais as the 109 flies.

OD_79
07-30-2005, 03:37 AM
It really doesn't take that long to cross the Channel! Of course people will fly Axis, it would be boring otherwise, plus it's a challenge to manage your aircraft so you can stay in a combat zone as long as possible!

OD.

NorrisMcWhirter
07-30-2005, 03:46 AM
yep..don't forget it's only ~14 miles across the channel and Manston isn't far from the coast (you can clearly see in using Google Earth).

I'd be more concerned about getting Kanalkrank http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ta,
Norris

Pirschjaeger
07-30-2005, 07:33 AM
Originally posted by WarWolfe_1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
Imagine now, we have BoB. You join a BoB server. Now, which side will you choose? If you choose red you will most likely find almost instant action. If you choose blue, you will have to fly for a long time, over the channel, to find action. To add, you will only be able to afford 5 mins of fighting time, then you must run home to refuel.

It seems to me that this will make a great imbalance in the game. Maybe only retired airline pilots will be flying blue side.

Any thoughts?

Fritz


Whats the promblem? Was it not this way for real? Maybe history has been rewriten since my last WW2 history course 2 years ago.

If noone likes as close to the real thing as you can get.....Email your snailmail I'll send a few bucks so you can go to the arcade and play Halo2 online........... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Fritz

Billy_BigBoy
07-30-2005, 07:42 AM
The problem of the long German flights was more a problem of forming up formations before the crossed the channel. On servers I've never seen pilots forming up big wings before they crossed the frontline.
And ofcourse there will be plenty of different maps to choose from.

Bremspropeller
07-30-2005, 07:47 AM
Luftwaffe pilots might have a longer approach to the target, but that only leaves them enough time to climb and enter the theatre of action above http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Beware of the Hun in the sun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

wayno7777
07-30-2005, 07:50 AM
Reread Reach for the Sky, Fly for Your Life, Duel of Eagles and The First and the Last...

Lucius_Esox
07-30-2005, 07:51 AM
yep..don't forget it's only ~14 miles across the channel and Manston isn't far from the coast (you can clearly see in using Google Earth).

Not being pedantic here but I thought it was 22 miles at the nearest point?

Is it really only 14.

Anyway it's not that far acros the channel, and there will be plenty of combat once you make landfall http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Pirschjaeger
07-30-2005, 07:54 AM
Originally posted by Lucius_Esox:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">yep..don't forget it's only ~14 miles across the channel and Manston isn't far from the coast (you can clearly see in using Google Earth).

Not being pedantic here but I thought it was 22 miles at the nearest point?

Is it really only 14.

Anyway it's not that far acros the channel, and there will be plenty of combat once you make landfall http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I heard 22 also.

Fritz

WarWolfe_1
07-30-2005, 07:58 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WarWolfe_1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
Imagine now, we have BoB. You join a BoB server. Now, which side will you choose? If you choose red you will most likely find almost instant action. If you choose blue, you will have to fly for a long time, over the channel, to find action. To add, you will only be able to afford 5 mins of fighting time, then you must run home to refuel.

It seems to me that this will make a great imbalance in the game. Maybe only retired airline pilots will be flying blue side.

Any thoughts?

Fritz


Whats the promblem? Was it not this way for real? Maybe history has been rewriten since my last WW2 history course 2 years ago.

If noone likes as close to the real thing as you can get.....Email your snailmail I'll send a few bucks so you can go to the arcade and play Halo2 online........... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Fritz </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL........I love that.

Pirschjaeger
07-30-2005, 08:05 AM
It's the coolest icon. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz

NorrisMcWhirter
07-30-2005, 08:15 AM
Yep..my mistake. I was thinking it was ~21km and mentally converted to ~14 miles when it's 34km/21miles.

Ta,
Norris

Pirschjaeger
07-30-2005, 08:18 AM
Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
Yep..my mistake. I was thinking it was ~21km and mentally converted to ~14 miles when it's 34km/21miles.

Ta,
Norris

Shame, shame, shame. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Fritz

LeadSpitter_
07-30-2005, 08:25 AM
Im sure most servers will have airstarts over the channel at 5000m to vulch all red bases. Then blues will actually think they are good becuase of a shottie fm just like the ufos of the past.

Lucius_Esox
07-30-2005, 08:32 AM
So that will be about, what 5-7 mins of flying time over the channel.. Long enough to set up and plan,,, cool.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SG1_Tte.Costa
07-30-2005, 08:47 AM
S. All Gents!
Two points here:
1)There was not droptanks aviable for Bf109E at this time? I think yes, but not used.
2)I dont know if Im right, but 5-7 min. scorting bombers over London some mins more over Dover...

Saludos SG1_Costa

NorrisMcWhirter
07-30-2005, 08:59 AM
Manston will do for me. I hear they've a nice pub that sells real ale...well worth getting shot down for IMO.

Well, people are assuming that BoB will be played as expected whereas you just know most DF maps will not include the channel and 'quick. ahistorical combat' will occur because there will be no raids to escort etc...just like now. Then, you will have people whining about how ahistorical the planes are.....

I suppose it will put it into perspective about how dangerous it was for the RAF to be attacking tbe bomber formations (especially if the gunners are overmodelled as they are now) with those 109s BNZing effectively. But, sadly, that will only be realised in co-ops.

Ta,
Norris

Billy_BigBoy
07-30-2005, 09:07 AM
Originally posted by SG1_Tte.Costa:
S. All Gents!
Two points here:
1)There was not droptanks aviable for Bf109E at this time? I think yes, but not used.
2)I dont know if Im right, but 5-7 min. scorting bombers over London some mins more over Dover...

Saludos SG1_Costa
About the droptanks:
The Bf109E was able to carry external loads, included plywood droptanks, but due to a conflict between Messerschmit and Focke-Wulf the 109E was not fitted with fuellines for external tanks.

Pirschjaeger
07-30-2005, 09:33 AM
Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
Im sure most servers will have airstarts over the channel at 5000m to vulch all red bases. Then blues will actually think they are good becuase of a shottie fm just like the ufos of the past.

When does fishing season end?

Fritz

DuxCorvan
07-30-2005, 10:39 AM
Once the German troops seize London and England, the times for taking off and strafe the pathetic British militia would dramatically decrease. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Pirschjaeger
07-30-2005, 10:55 AM
We have a Tempest!?!?! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Sorry, but it's new to me. Just started flying after a 9 or 10 month break. To bad it's only AI. But wow, Oleg did great on the detail. I just shot 8 of them and was looking at the damage. Nice detail.

Back to BoB, anyways, I would be happy if we had to fly across the channel. I like historically accurate servers, or as much as possible.

I just worried a little that if we had to fly across the channel, many might not wanna fly blue.

BTW, anyone know what the plane loss counts were for both sides for BoB?

Fritz

alert_1
07-30-2005, 11:08 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Lucius_Esox:

quote:
yep..don't forget it's only ~14 miles across the channel and Manston isn't far from the coast (you can clearly see in using Google Earth).


Not being pedantic here but I thought it was 22 miles at the nearest point?

Is it really only 14.

Anyway it's not that far acros the channel, and there will be plenty of combat once you make landfall


I heard 22 also.

On German maps, it was only 14, on British 22.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

horseback
07-30-2005, 05:00 PM
Ahh, so now you guys are accusing the Allies of overclaiming distances?

cheers

horseback

DuxCorvan
07-30-2005, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
But wow, Oleg did great on the detail. I just shot 8 of them and was looking at the damage. Nice detail.

Oleg didn't make it. It's a -great- 3rd party job. Oleg & Co. just put it in -to our pleasure. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

p1ngu666
07-30-2005, 07:02 PM
fights will probably be like now, roughly middle between the 2 bases...

Tully__
07-30-2005, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:

I don't know any other sims. I only fly the IL-2 series. I'm openly bias. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz

IL2 didn't exist when I was flying EAW, and my PC at that time wouldn't have run IL2 anyway http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Tully__
07-30-2005, 11:58 PM
Originally posted by Lucius_Esox:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">yep..don't forget it's only ~14 miles across the channel and Manston isn't far from the coast (you can clearly see in using Google Earth).

Not being pedantic here but I thought it was 22 miles at the nearest point?

Is it really only 14.

Anyway it's not that far acros the channel, and there will be plenty of combat once you make landfall http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's ~21 miles at the closest points.

Pirschjaeger
07-31-2005, 12:39 AM
Originally posted by Tully__:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lucius_Esox:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">yep..don't forget it's only ~14 miles across the channel and Manston isn't far from the coast (you can clearly see in using Google Earth).

Not being pedantic here but I thought it was 22 miles at the nearest point?

Is it really only 14.

Anyway it's not that far acros the channel, and there will be plenty of combat once you make landfall http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's ~21 miles at the closest points. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

21 at low tide and 22 at high tide. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz

Atomic_Marten
07-31-2005, 12:49 AM
But then again it may turn out that most of the action in game will see Stuka, HE111 and Ju-88 pilots.(in shape of bombing runs) They were really in the center of attention; of their escorting Me-109s and Spit&Hurri interceptors.
Be sure, that will happen on 'realistic' servers, I predict.(full switch)

Hurricane Spitfire and Me-109 pilots can be happy if they find each other considering theater of actions.(hopefully large formations will fix this issue up)
The only quick action for both sides in BoB as I see it will happen on pure dogfight servers..

Again one thing is game the other was 'real thing'.

Lucius_Esox
07-31-2005, 04:06 AM
21 at low tide and 22 at high tide

Of course I was talking about low tide http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Pirschjaeger
07-31-2005, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by Lucius_Esox:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">21 at low tide and 22 at high tide

Of course I was talking about low tide http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ha! Gotcha! You fell for the bait! You're a clam digger posing as a latin speaking pike. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

I knew it all along. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Fritz

LStarosta
07-31-2005, 11:53 AM
Originally posted by Lucius_Esox:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">yep..don't forget it's only ~14 miles across the channel and Manston isn't far from the coast (you can clearly see in using Google Earth).

Not being pedantic here but I thought it was 22 miles at the nearest point?

Is it really only 14.

Anyway it's not that far acros the channel, and there will be plenty of combat once you make landfall http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It depends on the tide.


Edit: Sh1t, I swear I didn't read pages 2 or 3 before posting my response. Great mind think alike, I guess.

Pirschjaeger
07-31-2005, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lucius_Esox:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">yep..don't forget it's only ~14 miles across the channel and Manston isn't far from the coast (you can clearly see in using Google Earth).

Not being pedantic here but I thought it was 22 miles at the nearest point?

Is it really only 14.

Anyway it's not that far acros the channel, and there will be plenty of combat once you make landfall http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It depends on the tide.


Edit: Sh1t, I swear I didn't read pages 2 or 3 before posting my response. Great mind think alike, I guess. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was afraid of that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Fritz http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

croc106
07-31-2005, 05:06 PM
hey atleast u can get lsot on eiterh side. if u start flying mn blue, and u go over the water, and dont see lnd for awhile, turn back or go to iceland lol. and if ur red, head towards the huge river( channel lol) and u will ifnd ur targets.

Pirschjaeger
07-31-2005, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by croc106:
hey atleast u can get lsot on eiterh side. if u start flying mn blue, and u go over the water, and dont see lnd for awhile, turn back or go to iceland lol. and if ur red, head towards the huge river( channel lol) and u will ifnd ur targets.

Does Iceland have good beer? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Fritz

LStarosta
07-31-2005, 10:03 PM
I heard it's too cold for hops to grow there.

VW-IceFire
07-31-2005, 10:33 PM
Generic dogfight maps will be a must for some setups while using small sections of other maps will probably be the norm elsewhere.

Pirschjaeger
08-01-2005, 12:08 AM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
I heard it's too cold for hops to grow there.

Are you sure?

http://www.nordicstore.net/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=1...landic+Beer+-+Viking (http://www.nordicstore.net/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=15&subcat=128&cat=Icelandic+Beer+-+Viking)

I would say there is reason to land in Iceland.

Ok, second agenda, Icelandic women? Maybe a reason to stay in Iceland? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz

Pirschjaeger
08-01-2005, 12:16 AM
Thanx to google/images, key words "Miss Iceland", I have found many reasons to stay.

Gimme enough fuel to get halfway there and I'll learn to swim the rest. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz

LStarosta
08-01-2005, 12:18 AM
Dammit. Yes, they have beer...

But where's the d4mn ice?!

Pirschjaeger
08-01-2005, 12:21 AM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
Dammit. Yes, they have beer...

But where's the d4mn ice?!

Ice in beer! What's wrong with you man?! You'll have to drink it quickly before it tastes like American beer. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz

JG54_Arnie
08-01-2005, 05:29 AM
Seems like the flight across the channel will be much quicker than the 30 minutes flying towards the action on the map of Bastogne. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

carguy_
08-01-2005, 05:42 AM
No,not much of a problem.Flown Ki43 80km to the target and back.BTW bomber escort really makes the time go by faster.All the keep within formation range issue is exausting currently.

Lucius_Esox
08-01-2005, 07:13 AM
Ha! Gotcha! You fell for the bait! You're a clam digger posing as a latin speaking pike. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif


Da*n,, I wanted to keep that quite http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif