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Mysticpuma2003
11-15-2010, 06:33 AM
Okay, not really noticed this before as I usually go around in my P-47, but after loading up a 'Vanilla' IL2 4.09 I went and loaded up a P-51D 20NA (it also appears on the B and C Models too) and took it for a flight.

Looking out at the wings I saw this:

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk71/Mysticpuma/P-51issue.jpg

Now this is a default skin, so not a custom made error, but I don't know what it is that causes it.

I loaded a Custom skin too and got the same result.

If this is part of the model, then I'm embarrassing myself, apologies, but if it isn't, what is causing it?

Cheers, MP

Bearcat99
11-15-2010, 07:16 AM
I don't know what they do but they are supposed to be there..

http://file.walagata.com/w/bearcat/mustang__0.jpg

Note the ones on the port wing also. They may have been there to add stability. On my scale Mustang they are raised up like little airfoils..

Bankoletti
11-15-2010, 07:40 AM
A part of the model. I'd guess these are aerodynamic fairings for aileron actuators.

Bremspropeller
11-15-2010, 08:07 AM
Aileron-hinge-fairings.

kimosabi79
11-15-2010, 08:08 AM
My guess would be that they are there to direct sufficient airflow over the control surfaces at lower speeds, or any speed. Laminar flow wings means that the "hump" is further back and they might have had issues with good enough flow over that area. Especially since the wings on a P-51 are very slippery and it might have been some issues controlling the flow direction over/under them.

Think Venturi tunnels, or the directional "flaps" you see on modern rally cars etc. All to direct the airflow better to gain efficiency over a specific surface.

Or they could be actuator fairings like others have mentioned. Never seen the actual shape before on a real plane, so I don't have any references.

Mysticpuma2003
11-15-2010, 11:04 AM
Okay, thanks guys. I think if they were a light-grey texture then it wouldn't have been so-obvious, but I just couldn't work out (when you see a real P-51 image) why there are two Black Triangles? Just doesn't even match the 'skin' texture colour?

Thanks for figuring it out though, much appreciated.....just need to work out how to fix it now!!!

Cheers, MP

Mysticpuma2003
11-15-2010, 12:45 PM
Well, I went and updated a custom skin, with the same resolution 1152x864 (what I usually record with Fraps) and found the 'Black Triangles'.

So after changing the colour of the texture I now have this:

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk71/Mysticpuma/P-51issueresolved.jpg

Will test again at higher resolution (1920x1200), but it's a pain to record at the rez. with FRAPS.

Cheers, MP

Romanator21
11-15-2010, 12:55 PM
The starkness of the shape has more to do with the lighting. Notice that the fuselage is also wrapped in shadow.

Lightening them will only make them glare more if looking from the other side of that image http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

kimosabi79
11-15-2010, 02:12 PM
Found some imeages of real P-51's too, P-51H:

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q218/Samson613/Warbirds/44-64314_38_cf1.jpg

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q218/Samson613/Warbirds/44-64314_25_cf1.jpg

I know about a guy that is really into P-51's. I'll send him a message. This has gotten me curious.

Clarence "Bud" Anderson's P-51-D:

http://www.cebudanderson.com/images/dibbs01.jpg

Art-J
11-15-2010, 02:18 PM
A restored "H" in flying condition? Whoa! That's a rare beast. Gotta google more info about this one!

Cheers - Art

berg417448
11-15-2010, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by Art-J:
A restored "H" in flying condition? Whoa! That's a rare beast. Gotta google more info about this one!

Cheers - Art

Some info here:

http://www.mustangsmustangs.co...s/pages/44-64314.php (http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/p-51/p51survivors/pages/44-64314.php)

Mysticpuma2003
11-15-2010, 03:46 PM
I think I have 'fixed' it myself. For some reason I was in DirectX mode (without noticing) and then saw that by changing it back to OpenGL, the Black Triangles disappeared. Cool!

Cheers, MP

WTE_Galway
11-15-2010, 09:32 PM
Yeah it looked like a glitch in the lighting engine (the Gladiator has one just behind the cockpit where a particular panel always appears "in shadow" even in bright light, the workaround is to lighten that part of the skin).

Seems like the bug was only in the directX version.

kimosabi79
11-24-2010, 10:21 AM
Ok, got the answer from the "P-51 Guru". The humps are there to clear the bell cranks on the aileron controls. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SDTucker
11-24-2010, 07:52 PM
Check out this link from another thread.
http://www.stclairphoto-imagin...Mustang/P51_swf.html (http://www.stclairphoto-imaging.com/360/P51-Mustang/P51_swf.html)

you can zoom in and see them on the wings.