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VMF513_Sandman
09-11-2004, 08:05 PM
we have a pilot that served aboard a carrier flying f-4's in nam. he was sayin the carriers would turn into the wind to recover planes and all u would have to deal with was the deck pitching up and down...not side to side. making contact too late or too soon would be disasterous; if the ship caught u in the swells, it could snap a gear...if u grabbed the hook and it went into a dip, the cable would slam u into the deck with enough force to cause injury. from what the teaser vid's show, the carrier just pitches side to side.

VMF513_Sandman
09-11-2004, 08:05 PM
we have a pilot that served aboard a carrier flying f-4's in nam. he was sayin the carriers would turn into the wind to recover planes and all u would have to deal with was the deck pitching up and down...not side to side. making contact too late or too soon would be disasterous; if the ship caught u in the swells, it could snap a gear...if u grabbed the hook and it went into a dip, the cable would slam u into the deck with enough force to cause injury. from what the teaser vid's show, the carrier just pitches side to side.

xTHRUDx
09-11-2004, 08:57 PM
i agree, but the paint is still wet. lets see how it looks when it's dry.

JG7_Rall
09-11-2004, 09:00 PM
Yeah, lets hope it gets fixed. I don't mean to be negative, but an awful lot of this seems to be rushed.

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BSS_Vidar
09-11-2004, 09:04 PM
If you're talkin' about the Wildcat video, I'ld have to disagree with you there Sandy. It shows Lady Lex distictly doing what is called a "Dutch Roll". Seen it a few times in real life. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif It's enough to make your skin crawl. A Dutch Roll is when the ship is pitching, yawing, and rolling along all three axis, i.e. Longitudinal, Laterl, and Virtical... PLUS the @$$ end of the ship is making a side-ways figure 8 motion as you approach it. Depicted very well in the stormy Wildcat video M8.

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VW-IceFire
09-11-2004, 09:05 PM
That Wildcats in a storm...not ideal carrier recovery conditions no matter what.

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BSS_Vidar
09-11-2004, 11:33 PM
Yeah, but sometimes you gotta take what mother nature gives ya. Especially during Blue Water Ops where you have no choice but to put it on deck or get wet. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Rebel_Yell_21
09-11-2004, 11:59 PM
You also can't compare a WWII carrier with one from the Viet Nam war era, as the much higher displacement, and far superior stabilization helps to minimize the sort of problems we will all be fighting making traps in PF.

Can't wait to try it.........

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BSS_Vidar
09-12-2004, 12:14 AM
Actually Rebel,
Nimitz class carriers are notorious for having the worst Dutch Roll pilots have ever seen on the ball. I have a few on Nimitz, Ike, George Washington, and Theodor Roosevelt. Enterprise was the most stable because she's got the longest and narrowest hull. JFK acted like a Lobster trap bouy too with sea states above 3. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Fliger747
09-12-2004, 03:25 PM
Pitching and rolling moments of ships can be much different than one might expect. A prime determinate is 'metacentric height', which is a CG height factor. However hull form is important and the two together will determine the natural period of the ship. A fine hull entry may be good for high speed (such as on the Iowa's) but may also result in a wet ship that plows through the waves. And of course all of this will depend on the sea state, a big swell running at an angle to the prevailing wind does nasty things to the pitch and roll, think 'corkscrew'. Low CG isn't always good either. I remember the WWII DE's could have a nasty 'snap' in rollers, like a bobbing cork.

We will see what we get, as mentioned by VIDAR, you just have to deal with what ever comes your way, that's what makes a professional, pilot or mariner. At least we won't be faced (probably) with the short steep seas of the Atlantic. The lower speeds of the WWII aircraft, into any wind at all results in a slow enough relative approach speed one may with a good LSO, be able to finness it.

We will see what we get! At least we are getting something!

ploughman
09-13-2004, 03:18 PM
Hi,
Slightly of topic.

Glad to see some USN guys here. I have a question about something that seemed like a lot of BS when I heard it 20+ years ago and it has to do with carriers in not nice weather. Someone once told me that had Britain been operating 'proper' carriers during the Falklands War Britain would have lost the war as the weather would have been to crappy for any attempt at conventional air operations. This bloke claimed that the Sea Harriers could cope with operating off a ship in the sea conditions that would shut down a USN carrier, and did so. Could the USN have conducted operations under those conditions, my gut feeling is they they could have and would have, but with, of course a higher rate of attition due to accidents. Casper Weinberger, the then SecDef is on record as saying a USN Carrier was offered but was refused.

p1ngu666
09-13-2004, 03:28 PM
hm
cant the sea be going its own way, while the wind goes another way?

harrier can do short take off, and hover landing, (hover take off too, but burns massive amounts of fuel)

also there ability to stop in mid air helped em dodgy the enemy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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Fliger747
09-13-2004, 04:39 PM
A budy of mine, retired Marine 06, flew Harriers. I'm not convinced that either is much of a joy to land in bad weather. Remember the Brit's tried to persuade us to operate 'Stringbags' as well in a war long past. The Chopper boys really have a bundle of fun operating off of some of the small boys!

USN_VF1Hartmann
09-13-2004, 10:25 PM
I wondered how long it would take before FM for carriers was brought up!!!

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Snootles
09-13-2004, 10:34 PM
FM for carriers?

You mean we'll be getting flyable aircraft carriers in this game?! That settles it, I'm pre-ordering Pacific Fighters right now!

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Come to think of it, the Navy actually had something like that in the early 1930s. The USS Akron and Macon were large rigid airships with a complement of four Curtiss F9C Sparrowhawk fighters. The Akron went down in 1933 without fighters aboard and the Macon was lost in 1935 with a complement of Sparrowhawks.
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heywooood
09-14-2004, 08:59 PM
I for one, hope we get flyable city of Boston..

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why stop at carriers


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actionhank1786
09-16-2004, 10:37 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/Actionhank/lex3.jpg

The caption read: "here we see the USS Lexington on her first take off run"
And people say it's over modeled
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ploughman
09-18-2004, 05:31 AM
Over modelled? With an angled flight deck it's not only over modelled, it's a time-traveller.

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p1ngu666
09-18-2004, 07:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fliger747:
A budy of mine, retired Marine 06, flew Harriers. I'm not convinced that either is much of a joy to land in bad weather. Remember the Brit's tried to persuade us to operate 'Stringbags' as well in a war long past. The Chopper boys really have a bundle of fun operating off of some of the small boys!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yes the stringbag was only the most succesfull allied torp bomber of the war http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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stansdds
09-18-2004, 08:43 AM
Looks like she has a deck chocked full of T-28C's! Now there is something you don't see every day!

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2004, 09:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ploughman:
Over modelled? With an angled flight deck it's not only over modelled, it's a time-traveller.

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It obviously was part of The Burmuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1980-1942

actionhank1786
09-19-2004, 12:38 AM
Ha, and everyone thought the TB-3 carrying some wussy little I-16's was hot stuff. Look at that lex take off with all those planes on deck. Did someone say they were T-28s? That's the Trojan right? So does that make this picture post WWII?


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