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BlastinFooz-619
09-13-2004, 03:28 AM
I was wondering if in the next patch they will incorperate hydrolic damage?? i was watching some gun camera footage and i saw the Landing gear come down after a few direct hits ,, is there a way for IL2 to simmulate this or maybe put it into their next patch?

BlastinFooz-619
09-13-2004, 03:28 AM
I was wondering if in the next patch they will incorperate hydrolic damage?? i was watching some gun camera footage and i saw the Landing gear come down after a few direct hits ,, is there a way for IL2 to simmulate this or maybe put it into their next patch?

CHDT
09-13-2004, 03:29 AM
Some patches ago, this could be seen in IL-2, but very rarely.

Franzen
09-13-2004, 04:00 AM
I can't remember which plane I was flying before but I do remember having my landing gear shoot out from under me. I think it may have been an La5. I guess the hydraulics must have taken a few hits and when the gear dropped it was shot off. I still have one raised landing gear.

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ELEM
09-13-2004, 04:04 AM
Hydraulic system damage does happen, as you often find that the landing gear will not lower. You then have to use the emergency hand crank.

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Xnomad
09-13-2004, 06:37 AM
The landing gear coming down can also mean "I've had enough, please let me bail out!" and it's up to the attacker to show some mercy then.

WOLFMondo
09-13-2004, 06:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ELEM:
Hydraulic system damage does happen, as you often find that the landing gear will not lower. You then have to use the emergency hand crank.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It happens very rarely...well to me anyway. It deoesn't seem to effect flaps though which I assume are hydraulic on most planes (or pnematic (sp?))

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SeaFireLIV
09-13-2004, 06:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Xnomad:
The landing gear coming down can also mean "I've had enough, please let me bail out!" and it's up to the attacker to show some mercy then.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not necessarily, it can also be used as desperate means to make an enemy overshoot. So, personally, I`d shoot anyway. Oh, and the hydraulic thing does happen....

Daiichidoku
09-13-2004, 11:35 AM
I have been in that situ befroe, where from damage, my gear wont drop....Ive enver known about any emerg hand crank for the gear in FB...are you referring to RL?<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ELEM:
Hydraulic system damage does happen, as you often find that the landing gear will not lower. You then have to use the emergency hand crank.

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Tooz_69GIAP
09-13-2004, 11:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Xnomad:
The landing gear coming down can also mean "I've had enough, please let me bail out!" and it's up to the attacker to show some mercy then.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mercy?? Wassat?? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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PapaSmurf630
09-13-2004, 11:47 AM
I think some of you have not got the right message.

I think he means if when shooting enemy aircraft, their undercarriage lowers. Not because the pilot HAS lowered them but because their systems have been shot up so much it just..lowers.

I don't think he means that is it possible to shoot enemies aircraft so their undercarriage 'doesn't' lower.

I actually haven't seen this in the game, but in the video you have seen, does only one of the gear actually lower?? Because I think I may have seen it.

Gooner01
09-13-2004, 11:50 AM
Daiichidoku - No, not RL - in the "controls" section of IL2 you can map a key for manual undercarriage raising and lowering.

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LilHorse
09-13-2004, 12:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PapaSmurf630:
I think some of you have not got the right message.

I think he means if when shooting enemy aircraft, their undercarriage lowers. Not because the pilot HAS lowered them but because their systems have been shot up so much it just..lowers.

I don't think he means that is it possible to shoot enemies aircraft so their undercarriage 'doesn't' lower.

I actually haven't seen this in the game, but in the video you have seen, does only one of the gear actually lower?? Because I think I may have seen it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sometimes one, sometimes both, other times one more than the other. Yeah, it happened. Doesn't happen in FB, however. It'd be a nice realism touch though if it did.

BlastinFooz-619
09-13-2004, 01:41 PM
yea i was goin to say cuz ive been playin as many campaigns as i can and i have close to 100 kills and i have yet to see it in FB gold pack, i wish they added this in their next patch .. is there anyway to ask them to put it back in FB

Bearcat99
09-13-2004, 02:05 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
I have been in that situ befroe, where from damage, my gear wont drop....Ive enver known about any emerg hand crank for the gear in FB...are you referring to RL?[QUOTE]

In FB tere is a section in the controls menu... manual gear raise, manual gear lower or somethung like that. If you get your hydraulics all shot up and you cant lower your geg the key you have assigned. I have that mapped to one of the hats on my X45 stick.

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BlastinFooz-619
09-13-2004, 04:49 PM
thats not what i mean. i saw some gun camera footage where a spit gets behind fw-190 and when he starts to spray the aircraft with his machine guns you see pieces of his plane start to come off in little chunks, then you see the 190 take some cannon hits and a small explosion results, then the plane catches fire and when the spit sprays him again with his machine guns the 190 loses hydrolic preasure and the landing gear drop and the spit continues to shoot up the plane up. sometimes i seen where the plane is getting shot up and while the plane is takin hits one landing gear will drop from the damage. i dont know how i can make this clearer but id like to see it incorperated into the game how can we ask the makers of the next patch to kindly put it in????

Capt.LoneRanger
09-13-2004, 05:45 PM
This is allready in the game!

Dunno, why there's so much misunderstanding. It doesn't happen all the time, but I had my hydraulics damaged recently and my undercarriage lowered itself. Of course it was not locked and gave in as soon as I landed http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
Had this kind of damage with both wheels and just with one wheel. You can also get a flaps-jam by enemy fire, but that occured to me only once.

I witnessed that hydraulics failure in the QMB with bombers a lot.

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GR142_Astro
09-13-2004, 05:46 PM
I'm a bit surprised nobody has referenced this guncam footage (http://www.jzg23.de/guncams/BF109%20x%20Hurricane.mpeg) posted here in the last day or so.

The gear come down most likely due to damage and the port strut hydraulics catch fire. Pressurized hydraulic fluid is highly flammable.

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El Turo
09-13-2004, 06:23 PM
I have to hand-crank my gear down usually after my poor P47 has taken a severe beating and isn't capable of doing it on her own. It's the least I can do for getting me home safe!

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JR_Greenhorn
09-13-2004, 07:31 PM
This is indeed modelled in game!

I've had the gear fall to damage too. I don't recall a message or anything special about hydraulic failures, but the gear definately come down once in a great while. Perhaps those of us that get shot up more often have a better chance of seeing this! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


Just to clarify, one or both of the gear will extend, as if lowered by the pilot, but due to damage instead. This is different to the gear simply falling out from damamage, which I have also had. I guess I'm just talented, eh?

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ELEM
09-14-2004, 01:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GR142_Astro:
I'm a bit surprised nobody has referenced this http://www.jzg23.de/guncams/BF109%20x%20Hurricane.mpeg posted here in the last day or so.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is the footage that initiated this thread.

What I and other posters have tried to say to the original question is, yes, Hydraulic system damage IS modeled. The results vary however. Sometimes the landing gear will drop, sometimes it will not lower when required. Either way it is an unusual event. Can't put it much more simply that that.

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Stonerox
09-14-2004, 08:37 AM
Hydraulics aside (all that makes sense though)...

I want to make one thing clear...

I read about a Ju-88-nightfighter (callsign D5+EV; flown by Leutnant Heinrich Schmitt) taking off from Kjevik, Norway 9. May '43... flew across to Scotland with the crew intent on defecting, - reaching UK they where intercepted by a RAF Spitfire flight, and the RAF pilot was about to attack, when the Ju-88 "lowered it's gear and waving with its wings from side to side - the international sign of surrender" - the Ju-88 was escorted to Dyce near Aberdeen -Source "Luftkrigen over S¸rlandet; author Knut M¦sel!(Translates to something like "The air war over southern Norway")
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BennyMoore
09-15-2004, 11:45 PM
I do not believe those of you who say that it is modelled. I played this game since the Christmas when it came out up until a few weeks ago, and I experienced, I think, every single thing that can happen to an airplane in the game. Although a few times I have lost raised landing gear altogether due to enemy fire, not once have I experienced or seen gear drop or refuse to drop due for any reason other than pilot command.

In addition, the commands for manually raising and lowering gear only work on the I-16.

I challenge you to prove me wrong with a track. Those are impressive claims, but I am afraid that I cannot believe them with my vast experience with the game (much of it under fire).

LuftLuver
09-15-2004, 11:55 PM
Maybe only in certain aircraft. During many hours in the P47, I've only seen one type of gear damage. No response and you must manually crank them down. Happens every once in a while. THey have never dropped down on their own.

I understand the Strumoviks may do it.

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BlastinFooz-619
09-16-2004, 12:42 AM
yea see thats what im sayin , i have yet to see landing gear drop from hydrolic damage on the plane im shooting up. just like on the this link. id like to see it. ive seen it happen to b-17 as well. http://www.jzg23.de/guncams/BF109%20x%20Hurricane.mpeg